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Title: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: phspok on October 22, 2021, 02:57:21 PM +0100
(https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/car/4057/Nissan-R90CK-56240.jpg)

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=1631)

Practice: 19:45 GMT (30 mins)
Qual 2: 20:15 (15 mins)
Race: 20:30  (30 mins)

Cars allowed: Nissan R90 CK (Group C car)
Track: Spa GP
Time of Day Setting: 13:00

Start: Standing
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption:  Normal
Pit-stops: None required

Server: Simracing.org.uk E7
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Championship Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1631&theme=4)

Example Setups:

Notes:
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cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
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rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) You will need to install Race Room Racing Experience from Steam, and have the Euro and American Track Packs for this series (And maybe another
non pack track occasionally)
(4) Please exercise caution when pitting as some tracks have a speed limit.

(5) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.



Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: BillThomas on November 19, 2021, 03:10:26 PM +0000
I wanted to check my setup for next Thursday’s race online but found our server was set for Suzuka not Spa.  :o


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 19, 2021, 03:41:19 PM +0000
Can you not buy just one car? I thought this was a thing, did I dream it?

They are listed as £0.25 but the basket says £3.38


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: spanner on November 19, 2021, 03:52:41 PM +0000
Can you not buy just one car? I thought this was a thing, did I dream it?

They are listed as £0.25 but the basket says £3.38

Yes you can buy just one but once you buy one, the rest are considered as just skins so will be listed far cheaper... so £0.25.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Geoffers on November 19, 2021, 03:57:29 PM +0000
Can you not buy just one car? I thought this was a thing, did I dream it?

They are listed as £0.25 but the basket says £3.38

The pricing is always a bit confusing in Raceroom, the 25p price is the cost of that livery if you already own another livery of the car, it is 3.38 if you do not own any other livery. So its £3.38 for the first car & livery then 25p for every subsequent livery. God knows why they show the price for just the livery & not the car too.

Matt, can you check the race distance in post#1.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 19, 2021, 04:11:06 PM +0000
Sorry for being off topic but.......

I think I may have asked before but I cannot find the post now. What are/where do I find the DTM 95 & 03?

I'm trying to find out how much it's going to cost me to continue in this series.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Geoffers on November 19, 2021, 04:27:57 PM +0000
Try here Tony:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=25581.msg535772#msg535772


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: spanner on November 19, 2021, 04:46:39 PM +0000
Sorry for being off topic but.......

I think I may have asked before but I cannot find the post now. What are/where do I find the DTM 95 & 03?

I'm trying to find out how much it's going to cost me to continue in this series.

Do you mean in the raceroom store? They are listed seperately in their own classes


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: frex on November 19, 2021, 05:00:41 PM +0000
Yes, go to Cars, then Classes at the store page. Both 1995 and 2003 cars are £3.38 each for one car and then 25p for additional liveries. Worth waiting for Black Friday in case there is a sale though as most individual cars and tracks get discounted by 50%. If there isn't a Black Friday sale there will almost certainly be a Winter/Christmas sale at some point.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 19, 2021, 05:05:06 PM +0000
Try here Tony:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=25581.msg535772#msg535772
Thanks Geoffers, at least the memory is still working if not at 100%


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 19, 2021, 05:24:42 PM +0000
Worth waiting for Black Friday in case there is a sale though as most individual cars and tracks get discounted by 50%. If there isn't a Black Friday sale there will almost certainly be a Winter/Christmas sale at some point.
That's a good point. Fingers crossed.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: phspok on November 20, 2021, 10:46:36 AM +0000
Everything should look right now  ???


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: spanner on November 20, 2021, 02:35:50 PM +0000
Hmm.. deja vu, not sure things have improved much this week! A big heavy car with too much power at a track i dont like....


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 20, 2021, 02:50:22 PM +0000
I just noticed that in the OP it says Weather DRY. Does RRE model weather?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Geoffers on November 20, 2021, 03:24:08 PM +0000
I just noticed that in the OP it says Weather DRY. Does RRE model weather?

In a word, no.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Geoffers on November 20, 2021, 06:57:05 PM +0000
Had my first run in this car & pretty much matched Riccardo's times from when we raced the GpCs here before with nearly default setup, just changed gearing & put engine map on 4. Tried map 5 but it will take a brave man to keep it on track for 30mins with that much power. Best leaderboard times are under 2mins so clearly a lot more time to be found.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 20, 2021, 08:43:37 PM +0000
WTF is a Engine Map?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: phspok on November 20, 2021, 09:51:15 PM +0000
Hehe. Some of the cars - the F1 90s, and a few others have a choice of engine mapping
map 1 is low power, up to map 5 that is max power. Some (these are too old I think) also have
push to pass like DRS. I don't like those as there is too much to think about.

I have a left button on the wheel for reduce map, and one on the right for increase mapping
Or, you can just set it in the setup if you are never going to change it on track
Some cars have an option to reduce engine braking if it wants to swap ends on corner entry.

I tend to just set it up in setup screen and leave it


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: spanner on November 21, 2021, 10:48:11 AM +0000
if you change it up or down you can see the power curves change


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 21, 2021, 12:21:14 PM +0000
if you change it up or down you can see the power curves change
Thanks for this info. Just went in and tried it. There is also an explanation of how engine mapping works. Seems that the higher the map #, the more fuel you burn. Probably a consideration for endurance events but not for a 30min sprint. If I get these cars (waiting for a sale to happen) I'll turn mine up to 11.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: BiriBiri on November 21, 2021, 01:06:58 PM +0000
Did also a first AI race with these cars.

Pffffffff  :( no easy car`s to drive. I find these car`s way more difficult than the Salleen.

Currently only using engine map 2 and 3 (4 is to difficult for me  ;D). Doing no a sporadic 2:13.5 and steady 2:15.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: phspok on November 21, 2021, 01:29:54 PM +0000
We have used these before with mixed success. Amazing cars if you learn them, but not an easy drive.
After an hour or so trying to get an easier drive, if slower setup, I gave up and went with a slightly modified default
which is actually well balanced. And with map 4 I managed a 2:11. If you are not :alien: then you may need to do a lot of short shifting
they understeer a lot, and the back end wants to be the front end out of slow corners, and reduce wing at you peril  :o

Patience is a virtue with these, but worth the effort.

If I get a setup that tames them without being dog slow, I will post it.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Riccardo Gengotti on November 21, 2021, 03:44:22 PM +0000
today I tried and I did not remember that these cars were so difficult, with mapping 3 you can drive, with mapping 4 it is already difficult to stay on the track, with 5 it is impossible, the power comes suddenly and without realizing you are already on the wall . I don't understand how they do those times in lederbord.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 21, 2021, 05:06:35 PM +0000
I'd better have Map 0.5 then  ::)


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: BiriBiri on November 22, 2021, 11:17:53 AM +0000
I'd better have Map 0.5 then  ::)

 ;D ;D ;D

Other question, normally you can change the engine mapping while driving. But in these cars it seems that that is impossible (seems logical because the age of these car's).

With the FR90 i did engine map 1 for the start, when tires where cold for the first laps engine map 3, and then swithing to 5. Here you need to decide before race start.



Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: BiriBiri on November 23, 2021, 07:06:29 AM +0000
Worth waiting for Black Friday in case there is a sale though as most individual cars and tracks get discounted by 50%. If there isn't a Black Friday sale there will almost certainly be a Winter/Christmas sale at some point.
That's a good point. Fingers crossed.

Black Friday sale on Steam will start tomorrow, not sure about the discount. Previous year it was 50% for cars/tracks and 25% for a pack.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 24, 2021, 04:26:05 PM +0000
Worth waiting for Black Friday in case there is a sale though as most individual cars and tracks get discounted by 50%. If there isn't a Black Friday sale there will almost certainly be a Winter/Christmas sale at some point.
That's a good point. Fingers crossed.

Black Friday sale on Steam will start tomorrow, not sure about the discount. Previous year it was 50% for cars/tracks and 25% for a pack.
Nothing on sale in RRE  ???

I'll have another look after midnight.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: BiriBiri on November 25, 2021, 07:01:02 AM +0000
Worth waiting for Black Friday in case there is a sale though as most individual cars and tracks get discounted by 50%. If there isn't a Black Friday sale there will almost certainly be a Winter/Christmas sale at some point.
That's a good point. Fingers crossed.

Black Friday sale on Steam will start tomorrow, not sure about the discount. Previous year it was 50% for cars/tracks and 25% for a pack.
Nothing on sale in RRE  ???

I'll have another look after midnight.

Indeed Tony  :( I was yesterday thinking about you.

https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/black-friday-sale.17878/( (https://forum.sector3studios.com/index.php?threads/black-friday-sale.17878/()

Apparently not for RRE this year  :(


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: spanner on November 25, 2021, 12:49:06 PM +0000
Having tried a lap or two(literally) on sunday, not particularly looking forward to this. Very little braking and oversteer!


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 25, 2021, 02:34:41 PM +0000
How do I find out how much fuel to have for a 30min race or is it done automatically?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Geoffers on November 25, 2021, 02:47:23 PM +0000
How do I find out how much fuel to have for a 30min race or is it done automatically?

Pretty much the same as GTL, do a few practice laps to see how much fuel you use per lap, work out how many laps you can fit into 30mins & go from there. I find a calculator helps.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 25, 2021, 02:52:35 PM +0000
How do I find out how much fuel to have for a 30min race or is it done automatically?

Pretty much the same as GTL, do a few practice laps to see how much fuel you use per lap, work out how many laps you can fit into 30mins & go from there. I find a calculator helps.
Or someone could tell me  ;) :winkiss:


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: picnic on November 25, 2021, 03:03:27 PM +0000
Do at least 2 consecutive laps in practice and the game predicts how far you can go. See that in the setup where you set fuel, add or reduce based on the number of laps you expect to do. I'd tell you but I've not driven the car so I have no idea. RRE guess is usually a little generous but I usually ensure I have best part of 2 laps extra just in case.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: phspok on November 25, 2021, 03:03:44 PM +0000
The setup "usuallly" sets itself to a good guess based on the laps for the race
But it's not dependable. If there are pitstops you can set "Safe" "Normal" and err "Risky?"
or you can set the level manually.

I will (or someone will) post a reasonable safe amount for tonight.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Geoffers on November 25, 2021, 03:05:32 PM +0000
I have 16.6 gallons set, sorry old fashioned, don't do litres!  :P


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on November 25, 2021, 03:28:06 PM +0000
Thanks Guy's  :thumbup1:

I'm currently conducting my naval forces in the WW2 Pacific theatre so you see I have no time to visit Belgium.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: BiriBiri on November 25, 2021, 08:43:23 PM +0000
 :taz: :cursing: :censored: :censored:

At the end of quali at my screen the timer for quali started again, when i pushed drive i was kicked out????

Italians where again faster, but happy with my P3 in quali. I will never now wat the result would be  :'(

Hopefully i was not an obstacle during the start.



@Matt: can you see a reason for the kick, high ping, .... ???? First time that this happens to me in 2 years :-\


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: phspok on November 25, 2021, 09:15:49 PM +0000
There are probably some log files, I will have a look

EDIT:  So, there are a couple of server log files, but they are encrypted and just look like ancient Egyptian
You can send them to Sector 3 for analysis if you want to.

You are not in the results file at all, so no help there.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: phspok on November 25, 2021, 09:55:04 PM +0000
Sort of enjoyed that, if enjoying masochism is allowed  ::)

Wel done Riccardo, and Massimo for the amazing pace, and hearty cheers to any finishers  :scooter:

Lucked in with a 3rd place finish. Was not able to complete a qually lap without a cut track or spin
so just tried to follow the pack until people started falling off. Eventually caught up to a recovering Geoffers
who then went off again heavily (it looked like) so went past, then had a minor off myself, but Geoff had left
by then so just poddled round to the finish 6 months and 3 days behind Massimo and Riccardo

Tough cars these  :o

Next one is more "normal" the DTM92 still need some care though.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: frex on November 26, 2021, 09:47:09 AM +0000
Didn't have a setup ready this time so just stuck it on map 5 and guessed fuel. Should have checked the posts above though because it become clear my fuel estimate was woefully short. Started fuel saving around half distance but with a couple of laps to go it was clear I wasn't going to make it so came in. And then stopped in the pitlane while I tried to remember how to configure pitstops in RRE.. Enjoyed the car the car though, good fun. Congrats Riccardo, Massimo and Matt.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Geoffers on November 26, 2021, 12:09:30 PM +0000
Like Matt, I really enjoyed the challenge of this car, but it can be frustrating at times.

Congrats to Riccardo, Massimo & Matt on the podium. Amazing pace Massimo in particular got out of the car, I presume from their speed on the straights that they used engine map 5. I stuck with 4 because although it was not too tricky to manage the car in the slow corners on 5, I just had huge amounts of understeer in the fast corners which required backing right off & I ended up no faster than with map 4 over a lap.

For the race though I made the big mistake of using the soft tyres & it was clear after half a dozen laps that they were not going to last the distance. The rears eventually gave up the unequal struggle on lap 10, which as Matt saw ended up with me in the barriers with a wrecked car.

I don't know what others thought, but this seems to be one of those cars where the setup can make a huge difference to the laptimes. Would it be better with this kind of car to run fixed setup to even out the playing field a little?


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Riccardo Gengotti on November 26, 2021, 04:04:56 PM +0000
great race with these very difficult cars, but also a lot of fun if you survive, I had map 5 and soft tires, I knew I had to be conservative to get to the end of the race and I kept a gentle pace throughout the race, it was important not to make mistakes. Massimo was very fast but if he wanted to get to the end of the race he too had to raise the pace of the race. the next there will also be Isacchini and Baldoni, and with the DTMs the fight will rarely be tough ....


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: phspok on November 27, 2021, 09:09:22 AM +0000
I am always scared of fixed setups, as sometimes I can't drive them, and would avoid the race.
The default for these was drivable, as in map 3 and a drivable setup, so that would have worked ok
I find some default setups have the brake bias so far forward I can' use the brakes.

With Riccardo, Massimo, Iasacchini and Baldoni, the fight will always be tough  ::)
I gave up using the DTM92 because they ruined the handling in their last downdate
But they will produce some close racing I think  :fencing:


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Geoffers on November 27, 2021, 12:01:57 PM +0000

I find some default setups have the brake bias so far forward I can' use the brakes.

Brake bias is still adjustable with fixed setups, as is brake pressure & which tyres you can use. Basically everything on the first page of the setup menu is adjustable, everything else is fixed.


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Bonni Massimo on November 27, 2021, 02:32:53 PM +0000
bravi a tutti...questa auto era veramente tosta peccato che dopo la quali mi abbia tirato fuori dal server ma per fortuna sono rientrato al volo!! bravo a gengo!! e bravi a tutti chi e' riuscito ad arrivare al traguardo ;) con un po' di giri in piu' si poteva anche scendere a 2.00

ci vediamo al red bull ring!!


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Riccardo Gengotti on November 27, 2021, 02:42:18 PM +0000
in reference to blocked assets. I find it ugly to drive a car that you don't feel yours, the free set-ups give you the possibility to adjust the car as you wish and drive well, if you can't drive it is better not to run. I hate locked assets. then you can also organize a championship with blocked assets


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: Riccardo Gengotti on November 27, 2021, 02:44:03 PM +0000
I hope google goodbye translated well


Title: Re: RRE Season 8 (2021) "Legends" - Spa - Nov 25
Post by: BiriBiri on November 27, 2021, 07:01:32 PM +0000
@Matt: problem seems to be solved, did today 2 multiplayer sessions with no problems