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Title: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on October 26, 2021, 03:17:54 PM +0100
Championship standings HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1651&theme=5)

Grid/server capacity: 22

Track: Imola (GP)

Cars allowed: Ford Escort RS, Porsche 914-6.

Note: Driver's can only choose one car make per race. No repeat drives. Applies to Round's 3 & 4.

Details of Round 4 here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=27661.msg538351#msg538351)

CUP STAGE D, Round 3

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make.
Race: 20:30 (24 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops required: NO

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: If anyone has the Porsche 914 red tyre bug, download this (https://drive.google.com/file/d/181o-yiXhqfoKTSm37ltNoiUrWhU_qtNI/view?usp=sharing) and put in your GameData/Teams folder and allow to overwrite.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 04, 2021, 11:38:12 AM +0000
Guy's, my PC is playing up and I'm knee deep in computer internals.

It doesn't look good for me making this race or Wednesday  >:(

I'll keep you updated.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on December 04, 2021, 05:33:12 PM +0000
Any idea which Escorts are available? Whenever I chose I receive a Car not present on server message. Only RS1600 is available as I am not sure this is the default car.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 04, 2021, 06:12:09 PM +0000
Any idea which Escorts are available? Whenever I chose I receive a Car not present on server message. Only RS1600 is available as I am not sure this is the default car.
RS2000, #35 (Red/White), #70 (Gold/Black), #74 (White/Blue)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 04, 2021, 06:13:07 PM +0000
My PC is rebuilt and running with new graphics card and PSU.

Fingers crossed.  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: SpecialKS on December 04, 2021, 07:19:08 PM +0000
My PC is rebuilt and running with new graphics card and PSU.

Fingers crossed.  ::)

 :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on December 04, 2021, 07:26:07 PM +0000
Only 1600 is visible on selecting a team Tony.
The original one is just "GT".
EDIT: Hristo will help me. It looks like I am missing the folder in GameData.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 06, 2021, 03:38:35 PM +0000
The Porsche seems to have something wrong with its rear tyres. Their core temperature shows as red by default (as is seen on XD), so the more you drive it, the more their surface temperatures keep going up, but never really cool down. One slide, one spin, and you're finished, losing more and more rear grip, because the temps just stay sky high.

I looked at its tyre physics file but couldn't find anything wrong with it, so I wonder why that happens. Maybe I missed something.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on December 06, 2021, 03:42:27 PM +0000
I upload my setup online for Ford. I will be happy if more people join that, not just me and Hristo almost every time. :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Geoffers on December 06, 2021, 04:06:30 PM +0000
The Porsche seems to have something wrong with its rear tyres. Their core temperature shows as red by default (as is seen on XD), so the more you drive it, the more their surface temperatures keep going up, but never really cool down. One slide, one spin, and you're finished, losing more and more rear grip, because the temps just stay sky high.

I looked at its tyre physics file but couldn't find anything wrong with it, so I wonder why that happens. Maybe I missed something.

Tony posted a fix for the Porsche tyres here Hristo.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=27631.msg544652#msg544652


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 06, 2021, 04:22:27 PM +0000
I looked at its tyre physics file but couldn't find anything wrong with it, so I wonder why that happens. Maybe I missed something.
There is a typo in the rear tyre file. Look for Temperature and compare to the front tyre.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 06, 2021, 05:05:28 PM +0000
Thanks Geoff and Tony! No wonder I didn't find what the issue is, I was looking at the 914_GTU.TYR file in the Porsche folder. How come it isn't using that (it's set in the HDC file), but the Dunlop file instead?  ??? I wonder if I'm looking at the wrong 914 car lol


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 06, 2021, 05:18:29 PM +0000
Thanks Geoff and Tony! No wonder I didn't find what the issue is, I was looking at the 914_GTU.TYR file in the Porsche folder. How come it isn't using that (it's set in the HDC file), but the Dunlop file instead?  ??? I wonder if I'm looking at the wrong 914 car lol
The correct HDC file is called Porsche914-6.hdc


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Hristo Itchov on December 06, 2021, 06:03:08 PM +0000
Thanks Geoff and Tony! No wonder I didn't find what the issue is, I was looking at the 914_GTU.TYR file in the Porsche folder. How come it isn't using that (it's set in the HDC file), but the Dunlop file instead?  ??? I wonder if I'm looking at the wrong 914 car lol
The correct HDC file is called Porsche914-6.hdc

Ah, I see it now, thanks. I was looking at the GTU one.

Just did some testing and it seems that the Ford is several seconds quicker than the Porsche. Was hoping they'd be closely matched, but not the case around this track. Uploaded my Ford setup (v1b) if anyone wants to use it. Got down to low 04s with it. A bit tricky on acceleration still, but otherwise very smooth.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: EvilClive on December 06, 2021, 09:27:58 PM +0000
Grats to the podium places and finishers.

I was really, really...REALLY!!!.... slightly miffed in my Escort RS. Somewhere between a practice session this afternoon which was hopeless and the end of qualifying this evening I started to understand the setup and how to drive it.

Not that I was ever going to bother the 4 aliens up front, but I was circulating at a steady 2:10 'ish and picked off a few places to be sitting in a comfortable 5th and actually enjoying the ride.

With around 9-10 laps to go I had a 15 sec lead over Erling, so I wondered if I could go sub 2:10 and just tried pushing a little. I figured that I could just about afford one serious "off" and fend off Erling. Out of the final corner I was just a little enthusiastic with the go pedal and the rear end protested sending me towards the inside barriers...no probs just keep the engine running and swing it around. The car stopped by gently nudging the barrier at right angles.

OK, select reverse and we'll be away in a few secs and don't be so damned stupid in future!  Hmmmm no reverse??!!! ??? Frantic manipulation of the stick thing but the front stayed firmly glued to the  barrier  :blink: :cursing: :blink: :cursing:

So I quit, and went to look at the CONTROLS menu. All the gears were mapped to the shiny new shifter, except REVERSE which was still mapped to the old Logitech address :ninja: :stupid:

What a plonker  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 06, 2021, 09:31:02 PM +0000
What a plonker  :-\

 :yes: :lol:

Never mind Clive



Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 06, 2021, 09:32:45 PM +0000
@ Robby - you don't need to message a pit-in if there is no-one behind you................


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 06, 2021, 09:53:49 PM +0000
Results and replay now posted.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Geoffers on December 07, 2021, 10:37:49 AM +0000
Another race that goes to prove that I cannot drive Porsches. I know this one is mid-engined but it was still beyond me how Daz & Manfred were getting around the track 3s faster. I even tried Daz's setup but was no faster than with my own. Still after spinning twice on the opening lap I had quite a fun race in the end battling with Erling & 4th place was finally settled by who made the least mistakes, err that will be Erling.  ::)

Congrats to DD on another comfortable win & to Daz & Manfred on the podium.  :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 07, 2021, 10:39:33 AM +0000
I quite enjoyed driving the Porsche around Imola. Not my favourite car and also not a fan of this version of Imola either but once I had a handle on how to approach turns it was quite nice. That is until I had a wobble coming into Tamburello and hit one of the indestructible tyre post's. This wrecked the suspension and made the car undriveable. So after a lengthy pit stop I had dropped to the back of the field, a lap down on everyone. Still I was determined to finish and thanks to others suffering miss-fortunes my position improved and I bagged me some points, yay!

Quite looking forward to taking the Escort around Spa in February.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Erling G-P on December 07, 2021, 12:19:19 PM +0000
A depressing race really. Seeing other drivers lap 5 secs faster than you, and eventually lapping you, is ok - if they're driving a faster car!  When they're in the same car as yourself, it's quite sobering, humiliating actually.

1st lap wasn't a good one for me - at Tosa, Geoffers spun in front of me. On cold tyres I couldn't get the car to turn in enough to pass him on the inside, so had to go the long way around, on the grass.  Lost 3 places as a result, when Tony, Clive & Matt all zipped past.  Later that lap, at Rivazza, Robby had problems braking downhill. Narrowly missing me, he took out Matt ahead of me instead, all to my benefit.

Caught and passed Clive recovering from an off, but in the faster Escort, he just needed the appropriate place to power past.  Mistake from Tony helped me past, now back in 6th.  After some laps with Clive moving away, and the gap to Tony slowly growing, I noticed another 914 behind Tony. Wondered if it was Matt, but a quick check revealed it to be Geoffers. "Hell, had forgotten all about him!!".  He soon caught up and a long battle ensued, first for 6th, but later 4th, after Hristo's & Clive's untimely exits.  Small mistake from me let Geoffers past, but he threw it away again later that same lap, when he suddenly veered off ahead of me.

Battle continued when he caught up again.  New mistake from me while being distracted by a lapping DD, gave him another opportunity to get past.  Some laps later I found him recovering after an off and passed him again.  Believe he had another one, further extending the gap. He gradually reeled me in again, getting the last bit by a bigger mistake by me at Tamburello. Then Manfred showed up however, interrupting proceedings. Seemed Geoffers lost time by and after letting him past, as he had vanished once Manfred caught and lapped me.

Grats to DD, Daz & Manfred. Commiserations to the early retirees.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on December 07, 2021, 02:20:34 PM +0000
Very strong performance until Hristo was there, chasing me.

I had a strategy to get the faster car on the slower car to clinch a third victory in the tournament and decide almost everything. It happened, sort of.

I had trouble during the qualifying with less fuel, as the car was going oversteerish. But at the end I was able to make a stable lap, just 1 tent slower than my personal best. The personal best though was with fuel for the whole race so I believe if I was able to make the perfect lap 02 was going to be possible here.

The start was OK, I was able to keep in front of flying Daz and Hristo had some trouble. Until he was able to overtake Manfred and Daz I had 2 seconds lead which gave me the comfort to breath easy.

During the first 7-8 laps the gap was the same - around 2 seconds even though I was definitely not pushing too much as I knew how naughty the car can be. The lap times were great though so even with comfortable driving I was able to lap fast and consistent times.

After Hristo was out of the race I knew I just need to bring the car home.

Grats to Daz and Manfred. They were flying with the slower Porsche. I don't think I had a chance with the same car. Sympathies to Clive and Hristo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ngwa_7x1Y


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Daz9 on December 07, 2021, 02:27:47 PM +0000
@Tony, I to was saving the Escort for the blast around Spa, couldn't resist that combo at all.

Essentially, I reused the setup I had at Hockenheim as that seemed to go OK. Played with the gearing to give a bit more punch out using 3rd instead of 2nd in a few of the corners, and took some brake power out so that the car didn't lock up as much, but other than that it was the same. I'm not surprised Geoffers didn't go any faster in mine compared to his, I'm not a setup genius by any stretch of the imagination. Looking in my mirrors it did appear that Manfreds car was more stable than mine, a combination of setup and driving style no doubt. Both my setups and my driving style tend to be a bit loose....

I found the time for me came from the corner entry speed. The gearing worked against me in the final chicane, Manfred was taking time from me there for sure, but other than that seemed to be of help at certain parts of the lap, the chicanes at Tamburello and Variante Alta particularly so. When I got the entries really, really right the laptime just came to me, without the corner entry speed the laptime would not come.

Had only done a 2.06.2 in practise, so the 2.05.6 in quali was a surprise. Got a good jump, threatened DD a little but was never going to go past. Just tried to be solid in second whilst I waited for Hristo to catch and go past, knowing that Manfred was who I was racing not Hristo. And quite a race it was, Manfred was, as always, both very fast and very consistent. I was just able to have enough of a gap that he could never quite get to me, and we both made odd little errors now and then where we were on the limit. Eventually I am guessing that his tires cried enough or something, as he seemed to have a couple of moments that gave me some breathing room over the last few laps, but it had been a right struggle to keep him back for as long as I needed to. Even managed to do a race lap better than my quali one, goes to show how hard I had to try when he was behind.

Sorry to Geoffers and Erling that you were left with a bitter taste from the race. I will say that the 914 is a bit of an oddball thing to get pace out of in my experience, and I clearly remember some races at NG where I just was not able to do so. I did actually do some practise for this one, as it can be such an odd car at times I felt the need to give it a go, and I don't always get on very well with Imola in all honesty, and I suppose that paid off. It helped that I had only used the car very recently of course. I know you can drive Porsches Geoff, you have beaten me in the 911 before now..... :yes: ;)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Geoffers on December 07, 2021, 03:11:47 PM +0000
I know you can drive Porsches Geoff, you have beaten me in the 911 before now..... :yes: ;)

Don't remember that, apart from the 911 race we had at Sachsenring last year which I somehow contrived to win  ???  You sure it wasn't in P&G, the 911s in that were really nice to drive as are the RRE ones.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Daz9 on December 07, 2021, 03:23:02 PM +0000
Oesterreichring 70(ish) as well I think.....I'm quite sure there were plenty of other examples in the old NG days as well, they are just lost in the mists of time.

I seem to recall you liking the IROC version in P&G, whereas I preferred the RSR. Still think P&G had the best feel of any sim....


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Geoffers on December 07, 2021, 05:36:43 PM +0000
Yeh that IROC 911 was great fun after they altered the physics, when it was first released it was nearly undriveable, it just wanted to swap ends at every corner.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: SpecialKS on December 07, 2021, 08:19:25 PM +0000
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//06122021_Imola)


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Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Wiltshire Tony on December 08, 2021, 01:40:25 AM +0000
Result (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2021//06122021_Imola)


8)
Thanks Kurt  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Nappe1 on December 08, 2021, 09:50:53 AM +0000
Porsches are oddballs in general. Never liked em much, but ironic as it is, my best result from my (rare) UKGTL races are from Österreichring with RSR... And that car is everything I can't drive: too powerful, rear wheel drive and engine in back.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Erling G-P on December 08, 2021, 11:25:00 AM +0000
Oesterreichring 70(ish) as well I think.....I'm quite sure there were plenty of other examples in the old NG days as well, they are just lost in the mists of time.

I seem to recall you liking the IROC version in P&G, whereas I preferred the RSR. Still think P&G had the best feel of any sim....


Apart from some offline testing, I never got into P&G.  Is it all dead now, or are some still running it?

Nappe, know the irony you mention - in the past, I often got my best results on tracks I really didn't like  :)


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Geoffers on December 08, 2021, 11:57:58 AM +0000
The Germans at Festbierbude still run P&G, I think Dimitar races with them.

http://www.festbierbude.de/index.php?lang=en


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Daz9 on December 08, 2021, 12:13:21 PM +0000
Apart from some offline testing, I never got into P&G.  Is it all dead now, or are some still running it?

As a complete package, once you factor in all the extra cars and tracks from mods, it is hard to think of anything that matches GTL in my personal view. The variety almost has no peer.

But, in terms of the actual physics of the driving on track, the refinements that were done for P&G just made the cars feel that little bit more alive to me. I can only recommend putting some track time in to judge for yourself Erling.

I have been tempted to have a look at FBB races myself as it is the only P&G action I can see anywhere.


Title: Re: UKGTL Season 22 GTL Cup Challenge - Stage D - Imola - Dec 6
Post by: Dimitar Dulichki on December 08, 2021, 02:05:11 PM +0000
The Germans at Festbierbude still run P&G, I think Dimitar races with them.

http://www.festbierbude.de/index.php?lang=en

Yep. Last race was yesterday. It's an amazing mod with so many awesome cars. Top of the cream for me too is the Porsche 911 RSR 3.0 - much better than GTL's version.

PS: You won't regret joining FBB Daz. There are many experienced drivers like Micha and Paddler. We are having a lot of fun every Tuesday. Just check my channel for race replays.

I recommend that one from Monaco where few cars were battling for victory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKIgaB1Sw4k