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Track: Goodwood

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RACE ONE
Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make
Race: 20:30 (14 laps)

RACE TWO
Practice/Car change: ~21:00 (5 mins)
Qualifying: 21:05 (10 mins) Drivers must not leave qualifying to change car make
Race: 21:15 (14 laps)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal

Server: simracing.org.uk Wednesday
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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Autopit="0"
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No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None.

Hi All,

Many thanks to Tony and others. Im back up n running now.  tried to join a race last night but just had a few issues. no matter what i couldnt get online.
long story short i have heard of all the issues getting online and i read up plenty here.

i used my original reg details but changed my user and password now all seems ok.    it logs me on as my usual name as per my .PLR file so i think alls ok.

i recently rebuilt my PC and am now running win 10. had all the usual stuff to do but happy now.... so a new super Race PC is in the wings.

sorry for waffling on. but it took 3 rebuilds of GTL. i use a standalone one for racing on UKGTL. only issue I had was that the first build with all the files Tony kindly sent me links to for this new season kept craching the PC. first build saw me in the UKGPL 300SL Merc and no matter what i tried i could not use any other car..  2nd full rebuild kept crashing back to desktop.

I since have been adding the mods bit by bit and doing backuos and testing as i go.

I think i have narrowed the issue down to the UKGTL Cars pack for the GTC-TC-76 mod. these are the Stratos, Pantera BM etc.

tracks are fine.  but whenever i load the cars, they load fine and i can start the game. i can purchase the cars too, but i think the issue is they dont show in the dealers showroom. so somethings missing. !!

when i select one of the cars then try to race.. crash.

again, sorry to waffle . but any ideas chaps?

p.s. will post these things in the general forums if i should.. just tell me off if thats the case. 

want to sort it as Im getting to like these cars more and more.  and im missing racing..

Paul, can you do a trace file and pm me the results please.

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=13381.msg241379#msg241379

Hi Tony.

will do . just to say im testing at present..

forget what i said above in my previous post.

1957 Euro Road Racing
1965 BSCC
Memorial Trophy

all installed and working.

and the  1976 Group 5's that i thought had issues all now working.     just tried the Porsche 934. wow.  i can see you included the sound pack. are they non original sounds as the car sounds awesome.

ok. will do a backup and then install the other season 22 mods and report back.  how is the easiest way to generate a trace file.. im still learning about GTL believe it or not.

Isn't my post understandable?

Actually it isnt. I didnt know how to do a trace file. if memory serves me correct its an extra switch to the shortcut....   which having googled I now have.

so I can get these now. they are generated everytime i start the game ? correct?

i did think what could they do if the game keeps crashing, DOH! ... but makes sense now thanks.

thanks for the pointers. Everything is now fine and i am certain its the carset for the 1987 WTCC mod.  I will do another backup and install the tracks.  test and then the cars again. everthing else is fine.

OK Boys...  Tony has fixed my install. Im ready to rock n roll ( at the back, of course)

one on topic question, dio i need to choose or be given a class to race in. Or can I choose from all groups?  and then only use them as per the Car restriction list?

Yes

Oh BTW, someone else new to GTL pointed out to me that it wasn't entirely clear which cars were mods and which were standard GTL content.

So, the Lotus Cortina, Ford Mustang and Mini Cooper are standard. The Ford Anglia and Mini 970 are mods.

Hi guys,

Is there any references or good websites regarding setups for GTL cars.

Initially  I really only need the basics. I can see from the race notice above how many laps each race is so I can I guess easily sort out the fuel. I'm taking the Mustangvi think or the Cortina.

But unlike GPL. I cant seem to find out things like optimum tyre pressure etc.

Another question is, when I makes setup, do I then stick with whatever I dialed in on the setup pages and then ignore the 3 sliders in the pit screen. Or do I use them to fine tune what I've already created as a setup. ??

Cheers Paul.

I'm more worried about the next race.. probably had some questions re pitstops. But Tony's recent post should have clarified that for me.
. 

You really know how to depress a guy Tony  :( :( .
So, the 1275 Cooper S is standard GTL??!! and some green skinned, tentacle waving alien has recorded a 1:25 laptime?????? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I did a few test laps last night and on a kamikaze lap where the gas pedal rarely lost contact with the floor, I did not get below 1:31 secs!!
If I assume that I was reaching the same max velocity on all of the straight(ish) sections, Madgewick was taken flat in 4th with a fractional lift on entry. Lavant is a downshift and flat in 3rd and likewise for Woodcote.   Then I am losing 6 secs through St Mary's and the chicane???  
St Mary's was last of the late braker's at the 50mtr board, d/shift to 3rd, nail the gas , 2 wheels across the grass at the apex and just clip the outside grass without lifting. The chicane was again suicidal late tap on the brakes after taking Woodcote flat in 3rd. D/shift to 2nd and flick the car in as the weight transfers forward then stand on the gas to exit with 2 wheels running on the raised kerb.

So just where the heck is there another 6 secs????? I could accept that a Mini Master like Geoffers would find 1 or 2 secs by carrying fractionally more speed through St Mary's and through the chicane but 6 secs on a lap of 85secs is getting towards 7-8%% ?? faster in the same car, with just two places where the engine is not at max revs?
I think that I am getting too old for this.  :wheelchair: :wheelchair: or it proves that front wheel drive is the devil's spawn!!

Someone (I think maybe Clive?) did a setup guide but I have no idea where to find it. And many years ago a driver called Legzy also did one. Again no idea where to find that either.

GTL's in game fuel calculations are often way off the mark especially with mod tracks. It's better with the standard tracks that came with it. XD gives a much more precise fuel estimate and I think everyone uses that.

Ignore the sliders full stop. They are intended for first time sim racers and I doubt anyone uses them here.

There are two setup systems. One is a one page screen (probably what you have now) and an advanced two page setup.

For XD https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=19141.msg347241#msg347241

For advanced setup https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=14422.msg261889#msg261889

You can go online to search for other drivers saved setups but it's potluck as to whether you find a good one or one that suits your driving style etc.

When your on the screen that shows the sliders, click the spanner symbol. Then click the Online files symbol. Click the Login button. Scroll through the online folder to find Goodwood. Scroll through the online files till you see something useful. Click on the file and select download. You should now find the file in your files folder.

Hope this helps. I will send you my Cortina and Mustang setups (their called .svm files). Once received copy into UserData/yourname/Settings/Goodwood. Also if you browse your car make folder there should be some .svm files already created for some of the standard tracks. You can try these out and modify them for other circuits.

I think that Geoffers posted a downloadable quick reference guide for GTL setups a while ago and I still have a print out of that alongside my rig. But I cannot find the original post or link.

Hristo did a short piece on diffs here:-  https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=25862.0

TBH Paul I have found it much better to dig out an online setup that feels comfortable and then tweak it to your liking ( remember to save the result with a recognisable name in a FAVOURITES folder for future use ). Several of the aliens in these part will often post their setups prior to a race and although I cannot drive them at anywhere near the pace that they extract it is often a good place to start your own development. Usually I find that I have to make the diffs less aggressive to accommodate my un-educated right foot.  ::)

Paul, posts 95 & 96 of this thread: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=23201.0  have some info on setups. Bear in mind that this a sim & not real life, so not everything works as it maybe should, but it gives a general idea of how to approach setting up the car.

Clive, ignore that 1.25 laptime, that was set with a 1310 Mini mod not the default car. Don't tell anyone else, but I am just in the 1.28s with the Mini.

aha!!  So Tony was telling porkies LOL!!  but 1:28 is still intimidating Geoff  :-\

As a mini-Mini Master, I don't think you can gain all that much with setup. I'm clueless about that and generally do rather well in Minis. I think it's just your driving style which is completely antithetical to Minis. Driving them correctly (fastly) is rather boring actually, a word no one has ever used to describe your style  ;) ;D One has to avoid ALL understeer and tightly hit every apex. The slightest departure from that can cost a full second in a single corner. Pedal to the metal full time doesn't work.

Having said that, I'll upload the Ati setup for the 1275S I used at Snetterton (if I can figure out how to; TBC). There are no better Mini setups than those Ati made.

Edit: Woot, that worked:
It's in the online folder Goodwood and it's called "Ati Mini Cooper 1275 mod"

Good luck!

Thanks for that Dominick. I always try to entertain when on track  ::)
But, I have a cunning Plan B if the Mini refuses to co-operate. I will fight fire with fire and use a proper car...The Mustang!! lol

1:31 so far in the standard GTL Mini.

Thanks Dominik for uploading your (respectively Ati's) setup - I'll give it a try.

1.29.8 in the 970S....Didn't feel like there was masses left in it.

Setups can make a huge difference in the Mini compared to standard, more the way the car turns, accelerates, and just feels in general than maybe the actual pace of it. The default stuff in the Mini feels very woolly to me and the car just will not turn. But, when it is more to your personal liking you will often find those extra tenths here and there that make the difference to the overall laptime.

27.5 with Cortina. I upload my setup if somebody wants to take a look. I don't think I will make changes as I think the car is great at the moment.

:wacko: :surrender: :helpsmilie:

Sorry Dom!  :gun_bandana:

Results and replays now posted.

Paul, hope you enjoyed your first two UKGTL events.

Sorry for the contact at 1474. Just caught your offside corner putting you into a slow spin. I tried to put you back on course by hitting you again but it all went very wrong.

Thoroughly enjoyed myself. No problem with the nudge. Easy done and I a bit slow and a little cautious through the bend anyway.

In all it was brilliant fun. Different to GPL which I'm most used to but great racing . Will get to love this.

Congrats to DD and all pods.  Very cool and gracious driving by one and all. Other than our touch, I only had one issue when I bashed Dominik, sorry!.

I did the gentlemanly thing and let him pass... phew. Big mistake!! I was in 5 litres of Mustang and he was in a mini.. couldn't catch the little bugger.. he was driving like he had stolen it.

So pleased to be racing with you guys. Thanks.

P s. Not being rude but how so you text each other when in car?  In the pits it's easy.

Thanks also for all you advice re setups etc... doing my homework. Thanks.

Two races with very different outcomes.  ::)

First race in the Mini was great fun. Spent most of it chasing Matt & DD, but always a couple of seconds behind. Caught Matt when he briefly went to tend the grass at St Marys but Mustang power got him back ahead on Lavant Straight. At about the same time Clive caught up with us after an early excursion & he too got past on the straight, so had to settle for 4th at the end.

Took the Mustang for race 2 but really struggled with it & was not as fast as Matt. Goodwood being a high grip track I could not get the car to oversteer very much & was getting too much understeer powering out of corners. Anyway that turned out to be irrelevant as I got too much kerb at Woodcote on lap 2 & rolled the car then on the following lap my screen froze approaching St Marys & I had to go to task manager to shut the game down.  ???

Congrats DD on two victories & to all class winners.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

There are automated messages which you can assign to button presses. And some drivers can type and drive!
I'll cover this with a post tomorrow.

Grats to Dimitar on his two victories and to the two podiums.

Leading up to this race I was totally undecided on which car to use, even as pre race practice was underway on the server. Then DD posted that his setup for the Lotus Cortina was available online, so having had no success with my attempts to tame that car I thought that I would try it........I had nothing to lose.
Well, straight out of the box it was quicker and better than anything I had produced, but slightly twitchy for me. After a few small tweaks and adjustments, it felt a little more comfortable and when setups are comfortable and predictable the car magically goes faster.

Getting pole for Race 1 was a shock for me and I suspect quite a surprise for Dimitar!! But I fluffed the start ( and I was trying to re-engage the FF!) so Matt in his aircraft carrier and Dimitar took the lead. I was trying to leave plenty of space around St Mary's and left so much that I went grass cutting, dropping me from 1st on the grid to almost last, within half a lap. When I re-joined the tarmac the red mist was so thick that I almost turned my headlights on :cursing:
The rest of the race was a manic chase of the leaders and I caught and passed Geoffers thanks to the greater top speed of the Cortina, but when I caught Matt there was just not enough laps left to benefit from his worn tyres. So 3rd was so bad after taking to the grass at St Mary's on lap 1.

Race 2
DD took his pole position back but now there were 2 of those Mustangs breathing fire down the tailpipes of the Lotus Cortinas. Somehow DD and myself arranged a formation launch and took Madgewick side by side, otherwise the American muscle would have blown past  ;). Through Fordwater I had to yield 1st spot to DD and slotted in close behind him. I was determined NOT to repeat the mistake at St Mary's, but I think I over thought things instead of driving instinctively and I managed to drop 2 wheels onto the grass, which allowed Matt and Geoffers to move 50 tonnes of metal between myself and Dimitar.......drat and double drat again!!! At least I was running in 4th and not at the back of the field.
The Cortina that I had was much quicker through the corners than the Mustangs ahead and I was having to lift mid corner to avoid rear ending Geoffers ( I think I owe an apology to Geoff for a light kiss on the bum at Lavant ?   :oops:).
Then, a lap later at Woodcote Geoff produced the most spectacular exit that I think I have ever seen in GTL. From my vantage point just a few meteres behind, he did indeed bounce over the inner kerb, but it did not look too aggressive. However when he hit the tarmac again it looked like the front left corner actually dug itself a hole in the road and flipped the car ( there were sparks from under the car!!). I thought "oh bugger!! I have nowhere to go and I am going to hit that Mustang".  But, Geoff achieved some impressive altitude complete with a double spin and multiple rolls and I passed clear underneath him with ample space above me'
Now there was just Matt and DD ahead, so I'll whip past Matt and just try and give DD some work to do.

Ah, but Matt and his USS Nimitz had other ideas and he drove a great defensive race, parking his immovable object at every apex and frustrating my irresistible force from behind. For the first few laps I tried hard but his greater speed on the straights just dragged him enough space to get into the next corner first, where I would close up quickly, but have to lift or dab the brakes to avoid denting his boot lid, thus losing momentum for the next straight  :-\. If I left a big enough gap to take the corner flat, I was too far behind to challenge on the next straight, so I opted for a waiting game hoping that his tyres would suffer in the final laps.
The last lap was great fun and I almost pulled alongside out of that final chicane, but the extra horses in the Mustang stable outdragged me to the line.

This race sent me huge reminders of the Goodwood Revival and the St Mary's Trophy races ( look it up on Youtube ) watching 60's saloons of all sizes battle it out. As far as I am concerned UKGTL can run this series every season and I won't tire of it.  ;D  Thanks Tony.

Welcome to Paul from UKGPL.

I guess it is a case of "vive la difference" with me and GTL.  I hope that you enjoy the tin tops and friendly exchange of door mirrors and paint samples as much as I do.












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Explanation posted here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=29551.msg568201#msg568201

Welcome Paul, hope to see more from you here. :)

Wow, Clive is starting to find great pace. And not only yesterday, but in general in the last couple of months. Maybe the problems with the wheel are gone, Clive? :) Now you need to cut off the mistakes and you will be the biggest contender for victories. Well done buddy.

At race 1 I had amazing and fun battle with Matt's Mustang. At the start, after turn 1 though I saw on the replay that my movement was not quite clean. I think I blocked a little bit Clive there, totally not intentional though as I was watching too much on my mirrors.

After that I had that cool battle with Matt. I knew if he doesn't make a mistake I won't have my chance. But I knew that his tires will go at the end so I was trying to overtake here and there but still waiting for a mistake. Eventually 3-4 laps before the end he made a small one and I was finally through.

Race 2 was a little bit boring. Because I was able to stay in front of Clive's Cortina and the two Mustangs had some trouble on turn 1. After that I just needed to stay out of trouble because Clive made the same mistake in lap 1 at the first left corner.

Grats to the podium guys and everyone coming to race with us. Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uty-WL6mdX4

Thanks for the kind words Dimitar, but mistakes would appear to be my forte in sim racing. lol

I thought I'd go for the Nick Swift impressions last night by taking the 970 Mini. I'm not the biggest Mini expert, despite loving them to bits and owning one of the new ones, FWD isn't really my forte in GTL to be honest in my own opinion.

Practise was pretty rubbish, kept hitting the barriers at the chicane when on good laps, but did managed to get a good lap done for quali. Trundled past the mayhem on the first lap, settled into a pointless chase of Geoffers in the 1275 that was never going to work, and all was going well until late in the race when I just didn't get it right at Woodcote for some reason and speared off. This was the second off in one lap, and wiped out my lead on Dan, who zipped past. I chased him for the remaining time, and even drew alongside on the run into Woodcote on the final lap, but he has obviously watched Goodwood lots over the years and held the line on the inside perfectly in the braking zone, and then into the chicane, to win our little battle.

Similar for race 2, made a better lap in quali.... but then was nowhere near it in the race for some reason. At about half distance. I was just holding my own against the Cortina of Tony a couple of seconds back, but then suddenly lost the ability to shift down which sent me off at St.Marys. I got the gears back about a lap later, I found that I had not done up the quick release on the steering wheel properly and it was loose, probably been like it for a week....Anyway, this had the benefit of getting me back up to speed, and I managed to virtually repeat my quali lap to pull away again from Dan, thus reversing our fortunes from race 1.

I'll essentially repeat what Clive said, the TC-65ish cars always give the best racing, I have always thought this. Combine that with the popularity of the Goodwood meetings and this always works to give a great event for us online.

My thanks to Tony, the usual spotless organisation. Great pace at the front from the Cortina boys.

Result_Race1 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2022//24012022_Goodwood_R1)

Result_Race2 (https://www.avonrise.co.uk/srou/kurts/_2022//24012022_Goodwood_R2)

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Done this before, so please forgive me, but I can't resist sharing one of my laps at the real Goodwood a few years ago
in a Sprint for Classic Marques. I think this might have been the same year that Clive came to Castle Comb to watch
me being pathetic at Avon Rise in to Quarry corner (there may be a vid in my same you tube channel of that if anyone
has nothing better to do https://www.youtube.com/user/phspok  (https://www.youtube.com/user/phspok))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7S_Ha6ITM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF7S_Ha6ITM)

Wow! Nice, Matt :)