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Prototype Potluck Round 6
The 300KMs of Hockenheim

Welcome to Round 6 of the Prototype Potluck series - As Riverside didn't feature a fast enough straight we're now off to Hockenheim so we can really throw ourselves at the scenery!

Keep in mind the advice from last time regarding driving to your own and your competitors cars strengths and weaknesses and this one should turn out to be quite a close challenge.


Qualifying etiquette
To match most race events of the late 60's we are having a combined 1 hour practice and qualifying.
Due to this the track will contain drivers who are practising and setting up and also drivers who are running a qualifying lap.
If you are on a hot lap please turn your headlights on - and remember to turn them off again once finished.
If you are simply practising or working on setups please keep your headlights off and try not to hold up drivers who are on hot laps if you can avoid it - you'll want them out of your way when it's your own turn to try and qualify. ;)

Please note that the start time has been moved slightly forward from our traditional time - this is to allow the race to finish at a similar time to normal

Practice/Qualifying: 19:00 (60 mins)
Race                  :  20:00 (40 laps)

Cars allowed:

Drivers must either post their car choice here or PM it to me by 18:00(UK time) on Tuesday the 18th. This is so I can ensure the server has the correct numbers of cars available. You can inform me in advance if you wish to do so.
Drivers who have posted/sent their preference will get priority, so turning up without 'booking' your car could result in your being being removed from the server to make room for someone who has booked. You will then have to rejoin in something that is available whether you have practised in it or not.
You can see my own car choice listed in the Series announcement thread.

Ford GT40
Porsche 908LH
Ferrari 330 P4
Porsche 917k

Track: Hockenheim GP (1960's version)
https://sellfy.com/f3classictracks/p/fqKN/ (https://sellfy.com/f3classictracks/p/fqKN/)



Live Timing: stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat (http://stracker.simracing.org.uk:50041/lapstat)

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Weather: Mid Clear
Start: Standing
Damage:   80%
Fuel use:  100%
Tire Wear: 100%
Pit-stops: Not mandatory - but you will probably need them ;)


Server track settings:
SESSION_START=96
RANDOMNESS=2
LAP_GAIN=0.035
SESSION_TRANSFER=80

PLP App - Not used in this series. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.

Notes:
(1)PLP App - Not used in this event. Cutting will be monitored on replay and penalties issued for excessive cutting.
(2)Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules especially the
rules about in-game chat messages.
(3) Please exercise caution when pitting as some tracks have a speed limit.
(4) Please follow the SROUK guidelines for using kerbs etc. Please keep 2 wheels on the track surface (kerbs do not count as track surface)
Excessive cutting of corners will seen as cheating and the results may be altered to reflect this.


Car use so far:


Jari has used the 908 3x so is now unable to use it further!
Bob has used the P4 3x so is now unable to use it further!
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is this a pay track? link implied so. Cant remember if we've used it before?

you have to pay a minimum of $0 or you can give the guy some dinero for his hard work, up to you

What Max said - last time we used it Solmyr (I think) paid for it anyway as he didn't read the description  ;D

If, after you've got it you decide it's good enough to warrant a donation, then do yourself a favour an get his version of Rouen - you'll never touch the free versions again ;)

Agreed, he makes lovely tracks and Rouen is right up there with the very best mods.



Now if we could just persuade everyone to buy it and then race some proper historic stuff (inc 67 F1) there, that would be awesome...

Checksum failed. Kicked.

I'll check I have the latest version in the morning - Didn't think it had been upgraded.....

Timmy, wheres that list of used cars thingy...anyway GT40 for me plz.

Sorry - as the cold has been getting worse so have I :-[

I've added it to the end of the 1st post.

Server should be updated by the time most of you see this - I've just downloaded the latest track version so providing the upload goes to plan it should work then :)

Thanks T, get well soon.

Sorry guys gonna miss this one, 2 reasons. 1/ I want to do Tony's GTL race this week. 2/ Not sure my eyeballs can stand the bumps for 40 laps. Should be back next week.

Get well soon Tim.

908 for me pls

I'm out for this one and might have to put my racing aside for a while.

Work has come in and hopefully it means I'll be back on the horse after nearly 2 years in the stable kicking at the door  :laugh:

Hope you're feeling better soon Tim  :thumbup1:

I've heard a lot but eyeballs, thats a new one...  :eek:

Too bad that it means you won't have any time for racing GT, we often seem to be on the same pace..

P4 for me, thanks!

GT40 please.

I'm yet to practice, but I'll take GT40.

330 pls

Late to the party. And haven't turned a wheel yet... So put me in the 917K if still possible.

330 p4 please

I think I'll switch to 908. GT40 is just too slow.

May not be able to make this but if not too late 917.

Brave people at last ;D
Just be very careful under braking in the Forest - that's the race-ender in there, you can survive an off pretty much anywhere else....

No you can't Tim. There are at least 3 more spots where you are send off to oblivion when you are slightly beside the track. Most notably exiting the Mobil 1 corner and the final turn, Sudkurve. No other option than to Ctrl+Alt+Del and getting yourself a beer. Not even fast spots that would be race ending irl..
Not my idea of a well made track, but hey ho, I'll be there tonight.

I still don't know how you keep falling off - I've done a lot of laps here and often mess up the final corner (for instance) while trying a qualifying run or just when pushing too hard, and neither myself or anyone else has managed to fall out. Even in the previous race?

As I mentioned for that one last year, if you can record where it's happening then the author will fix it - he always tries to keep his tracks updated and working :)

i will come if i am at home 330 p4

I will re-install the track again. And check the pitfalls again.

Oh and I hope you can make it tonight Bob!  :fencing:

A huge F to the broken track,  went a bit wide entering the stadium with 4 laps to go and it decided I hadn't finished the lap so put me a lap back in the positions. I didn't gain anything, actually lost 4-5 seconds on that lap so meh.


 >:(


What a waste of time that was.

Could someone please check the replay at lap 22 and have a look what happened to my car? Tnx

Amazing race for me, but marred by a misjudgement while slipping the clutch into 3rd while entering Ost kurve VERY hot! I hit the wall and caused myself some damage, costing about 3 or 4 seconds..
Luckily I was well into my pit window so just pitted and set the guys to repairing the damage. This took about 2 seconds longer than the tires and fuel which was nice - except that when you add those bits of extra time and also consider I finished 3 seconds behind Lorenzo it cost me the (potential) win ::)

I had an epic battle with VVA for the first 5 or 6 laps, as I struggled to hold him off while fully laden with fuel. Eventually he got past and I just could stay close enough in the stadium to jump back ahead in the forest (Job done though - I knew my pitstop would be faster so I just had to cleanly hold him off as long as possible to give me the late-race advantage ;) ).
The entire 2nd stint was an equally tough battle with Lorenzo - allbeit at a slightly greater distance as we fought rediculously over lap times while I tried desperately to reel him in now my GT40 was lighter and on fresh rubber. Lorenzo managed to pretty much equal me every lap - or slightly beat me - and then pulled a blinder out of his hat just after I set a new FL with about 6 to go..

I set 3 more PB's in the GT40 on the run to the finish but he held me off and took a deserved victory!



If you'd finished and reported it afterwards I could have checked the replay and re-instated your lap afterwards before uploading the results.
This has happened loads of times over the years, last I remember was in the RSR cup early on in my tenure running the AC races.

I still don't understand why this happens to you - that's actually the racing line, my car drove over that spot nearly every lap. Certainly everyone I was racing with was using it too.
I'd already found it before visiting the forum so have recorded the replay as a video.
I'll have a go at throwing the 917 around through there tomorrow evening (Although you said it was happening in the 908 too previously, so I'm guessing it's all cars for you?)

I'll run through the replay when I have a spare hour to see where you rejoined the server - If you rejoined on the lead lap then I can re-instate you as the winner as I know you passed me and Lorenzo with a fair distance still to go and the incident wasn't an accident of your own making.

If you can upload your setup that may help me as I can fit that before trying to jump to the centre of the earth....

Did you re-install the track as you mentioned? If you did, then the only thing I can think of is if you loaded something via CM (knowingly or not) that has broken the track mesh for you.

Sorry I did not make it last night, too much happening in real life at this time and unfortunately will be away from home for the next four to five weeks but should be back early March. Have some good racing meanwhile. :thumbup2:

Great race last night, enjoyed it as a tougher endurance race and looked fab with the cool variety of cars being used.  8)

Had a good race and decent pace despite being a bit late to the party. Kept up with vva and Tim for the first 8 laps as i got used to the 330 on a full tank, enjoying watching them trading places whilst Kai was keeping on my tail. Alas on lap 8 when i tried to carry too much momentum through turn1 to get closer to Tims GT40, one of my left wheels must have crept over the concrete apron onto the grass and i got span around.
This dropped me 15 painful seconds and several places. But i then got into a good rhythm as the fuel burnt off and kept hitting pb after pb until i was in the low 57's, retaking the positions early on and steadily closing Tim and vva down to about 10 seconds before my pitstop.
Stop went smoothly, though felt like forever waiting for all that fuel to go in. I was shocked to rejoin back down in 6th or 7th but realised those uber efficient 908's had leapfrogged me in the pits!
I re closed on Syd and vva ahead but then Syd had a massive off at the fast curve and parked his boat sideways across the track. I had to almost throw my car into the scenery to avoid hitting him and slowly creep around the grass verge. This cost me 8 seconds and any chance of catching Max (Porsche team play  :P ;D )
This also allowed Kai to recatch me despite me having a 10 second gap to him after the pits! and we enjoyed a battle for quite a few laps with him keeping the pressure on me.
Sadly for Max he disapeared late on and then shockingly vva reappeared behind me as well and i was elevated to 3rd  :o  Kai fell back eventually and i coasted home to a fine 3rd place  :)

Further to this I've spent 5-10 minutes in a 917 driving through that section at racing speed, slowly, and even performing a 3 minute doughnut session over it with various different ride-heights. Nothing I do makes me "Journey to the Centre of the earth^tm".

I increasingly think something is wrong with your track or AC install as no-one else has suffered from this.

That seems to be the case. I did download the track again and while re-installing CM mentioned updated files, so I assumed it would fix the issue..  I will clear out that directory and do a file integrety check.

noted for the future, but it just made me damn angry at the time...

Just as Max said, "it decided I hadn't finished the lap so put me a lap back in the positions".

so do i:)
Around 30th lap i missed braking point after 2nd long straight and went all over the stadium section. Didnt know what i was supposed to do so i made another lap and then - drive-through for myself because that cut wasnt fair.
But then i found myself 1 lap behind everyone.
What a mess...

Anyway 1st half was rly nice. It was great fight FMG!

I haven't had a chance to check Stefans weird trip yet - when I do I'll try and work out what happened to you and re-instate your lap too if you penalised yourself fairly.
I'm pretty sure a drive through will take longer than than the bit you cut, providing you were in the same position after the pit stop then I can't ask any more of you (If you'd known who you were behind/near when short-cutting the track but waited and rejoined in roughly the same position you could also have done so and reported yourself/PM'd me.

I guess reporting yourself is only an option when the results have been posted, due to having to check/sort Stefan that hasn't happened yet.

I've reviewed both instances now and will be re-instating both laps when the results are uploaded.

VVA - watching the replay I think you actually redressed your entire gains just from how slowly you went up the pit straight while letting the 908's back through.
If anything I owe you time from your drive through ;D (I have to edit the results manually though, for every lap afterwards, which is a right PITA so you're loosing that time I'm afraid :P )

Stefan - due to the issues of manually editing times (as mentioned above), I'll simply be re-instating you on the lead lap as that means less editing and calculator work. This means you steal Lorenzos' win and my 2nd (boo!), but loose any potential gains you might have otherwise had (I think you may have even lapped the entire field by race end without the glitch, given your pace and consistency, but you'll have to settle for what-ever massive margin the results end up showing instead).

I won't be attacking the JSON file till later this evening, If anyone has a serious objection please raise it now :)

And finally - Sorry Lorenzo and all of the displaced :ninja:

but when they went off in the stadium section did they rejoin by cutting some of the corners out? In iR you get punished with a 40 second penalty if you do that. Dont know if AC implements similar? ie the lost lap.

The lost lap is because there's a lap segment (sector 3) further into the stadium that was missed, AC's not very bright and simply won't count the lap as complete till you've passed through it and then carried on to the S/F line.
VVA will most likely have a 5+ minute lap from when he cut through, his slowing to wait for the Porsches he jumped and then doing a drive through is probably more than IR's penalty by the sound of it :D
It's the exact same reason that Max lost a lap, in Max's case he was just very wide though and managed to rejoin a little further down the track - the same (AC) bug got him too even though as he mentions, he LOST time while collecting himself.

As I understand it IR is heavily software based to moderate, leaving you in the hands of very logical but dim computers.
in AC we have to do the legwork ourselves, so as if in real life a driver did that but re-dressed, he would likely be let off with little more than a warning (and probably a drive through too in some series).
With that in mind I see no reason not to put VVA's lap back in :)

When the results go up I'll submit them both as incidents so we get write ups with timings etc as would normally be the case.

Same thing happened to me last time we raced here in the F67s. I ran slightly deep going into the stadium and although I lost time and made sure I rejoined without gain, I still lost a lap. See halfway down page.....

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=25852#event14532

Yeh, just bad design on the track there, that timing sector line needs moving back to before the turn into the stadium moving up closer to the "vettel" hairpin and to cover the whole width of track / track boundary and then this can't happen.  My mistake was my mistake though, I was day dreaming watching the lapped car I was catching and overshot my braking point so badly I didn't have much choice about running so wide.  I recovered in a fair manner but just got caught out by the sector line...

IF I'd known you would bother to watch the whole replay and then manually edit the json file I would have continued, but I know thats a pita to do so didn't even consider it.  Now onto the next race  :)


I will try to remember to email Sergio about it and ask if it can be fixed, because its a good track apart from that...

I'd need a rough idea of where to look p there's no way I'd watch everyone in full.
When I need to check fr something I tend to just create a camera in the spot I'm watching and leave in on fast forward around the time I'm told.

GT: I think you weren't edited back up a lap as - like you said - you were still in the correct position regardless, the json bit is a real pita so I won't do it if I don't need to!

Luckily it's not often that we need to do something like this though.

FMG, thx a lot.
I will accept any decision of respectable Marshal(s) without a word.
Of course im ready to lose all time from drive through (it was my decision after my own mistake).
Assuming 3 spins in race and cut 5 corners at once  (as in my case) is not the way to win and not even a podium level, i dont mind leaving things as they are, if some manual calculations needed.
No exceptional PITA is 1st priority.

I lost a lap in similar fashion in that F167 race as well.

Your dropped lap is the easy part - I've had to figure them out in the past for people so already have the relevant short cuts set up in excel to interrogate the json's.

Stefan's glitch on the other hand has required me to learn how exactly AC uses the json's in the 1st place plus a whole load of formula to calculate number of laps, laptimes from the AC internal counter, the timestamp for every lap (the bloody AC counter again), and then just do some creative accounting so that Stefans car is at least mostly in the right place in the race without setting any 20 second lap WRs.... Instead he has the worlds sloppiest pit crew ;D

Hoping it's worked as has taken about 4 or 5 hours to figure out, on the plus side if it has it should make things much easier if we ever have a similar issue as I now have templates.

Uploading now so wish me luck....

Yes, but as you finished behind GT in that race then you also didn't loose any places  ;)
Giving laps back takes about 5-10 minutes per incident now I have the templates, the original template took an hour or more of research and testing before it worked well enough to trust.
As I said, if positions/points aren't affected then I'm not spending an evening in spreadsheet-land for no reason  :no:


Anyway, the calculations seem in order and I even copied and inserted the edits without mucking up by the look of things - huzzar!

Ok, thanks for the effort and taking the time to investigate my issue Tim.

If you have any luck finding the cause of your issue please let me/Sergio know about it, I for one don't want to have to make an edit like that again any time soon!