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I didn`t saw anything for a next serie  ???

My suggestions (based on otherr league`s) would be:

GT2 - fun cars, and apparantly based on this thursday also close racing
Audi TT 2014/15 - Very close racing with some tactics to use PTP
NSU or Group 2- always fun
FRJ - fun but difficult
WTCC 2013

Also thinking about a fun NASCAR race for the Daytona 500 (same car`s like the Ranked server Enduro.
GT3 Chevrolet
3 race`s (like it are 3 stage`s), tire wear and fuel both on 4x
Race 1 - 12min (straight race to the end of stage 1)
Race 2 - 16min (both are possible drafting and fuel saving or 1 pitstop)
Race 3 - 22min (race with 1 pitstop)
Fun oval racing with drafting, slower drivers can also follow the faster drivers. If there is a crash you will need not wait to lang to start in the next race.


and also thinking about a classic championship.
So a lot of cars can be selected NSU-Group 2-Touring Classics-Posche cup classic
Everyone starts with a budget and you can choose your car for each event. NSU would be for free, faster cars would be expensive so that you only can choose them 1 or 2 times.
Maybe also during the serie`s the champioship leader or podium can get a reduction from there budget. So that we maybe have a close champinship.

The last one is a liitle bit tricky, and need some more testing.



PS: is there a poosibility to add a BOP in a AI single event?

@Martin: if needed i`m willing to the work for the next serie`s if you explain it to me.  
 

I was having a casual look at the TCR class (TC Cup) but I don't know how popular these cars are?

Any thoughts?

It does look like we could replicate a current season (and that does appeal to me).

EDIT: Or WTCR class

We have run these before Tony & I would love to race them again. The thing is, being FWD a number of people don't like them so don't race. Birger's suggestion of the WTCC 2013 may work as that has a BMW in the class.

I have wondered if running a series of races for the cars & tracks in the starter pack (or free) would attract a few new drivers.

I am taking a back seat for the time being.

However, I am very happy to create and at least initially manage some series.

It would be a shame to let Thursday's fun come to an end.

Riccardo has done a brilliant job with his Leg ends series, it would good to continue in the same style  :thumbup1:

Let's think about which or all of your suggestions to run, and then you can put together some cars/tracks and I will assist

If you want to take over the running of everything, then we need to get you the required privileges, but there's no need
to do anything admin wise for the moment.

My initial thought, is a GTR2 series, as we know they work, and then one or two series with something different
maybe one with slowish cars, and a historic GT series of some form.

We ran a WTCC series previously, not sure about WTCR, and I thought it was very good. As Geoff said, some people object to FWD
I would be up for that myself

I had a run round the "unsupported" Daytona oval with the GT3 Chevys, and they both are almost out of revs
the P2 Chevy Daytona Proto runs well with a few revs to spare even with minimal wing.

With all these games and the variety of content why do we always just end up trying to run the usual cars at the usual tracks...we dont have ot replicvate seasons! Which is why i liked this previous one, running unusal combos.

Saldy we have run the majority of classes.

The earlier year DTM cars are definantely nicer than the later ones! (hmm i thought someone mentioned them....)

GT2 would be interesting to get back, that was the first time we've run them for a long time. We have generally run slower cars.

I think raceroom were running that oval combo, the car did feel like it was just flat everywhere.

Contribute with a series or some more suggestions Mark. They will likely be run.

I can put together a series with different cars each week, but I prefer members to be creative with fresh ideas if possible

after this championship I take a rest period, I begin to have years, but an oval race in Indianapolis with a chevrolet prototype ...

I would be surprised if you have more years than I have  ::)

Oh, ok, you beat me by 3 years  ;D

added a poll, so that we know what to drive next week (tracks can be decided maybe this weekend)

Did you mean to allow only a single vote rather than 2 or 3?

I can create 1 or 2 non champ events easily. I assume the vote is for new series?

What would you like for next week? just say, and I will do it.

You can change it towards 2/3 votes.

Maybe tomorrow evening, we will choose the 2 champ events. Friday and saturday voting for the tracks? Sunday evening the 2 champ events are decided!

I have changed it to people can vote for their best 3 options.

How about the non champ Daytona Oval with P2 Chevy next week? we can always add it to a series later in the year.

I agree. Riccardo's Legends series has been a bit of a breath of fresh air because it was different. The NSU, Group 5, Touring Classics etc series are all brilliant, but we have done them to death. Some of Riccardo's combos I didn't enjoy quite so much as others, but it didn't matter because there was only ever a week to wait for the next one, and overall it has been great fun.

I hope we do something similar again sometime, and in particular I hope we can include some of the cars that we rarely use, eg KTM X-Bow RR, Cayman GT4 Trophy, BMW M235, Audi TT, FJ, GTE, TCR and (of course!) Group 4. Ok, I haven't actually ever tried the Audi TT, but all of the others are super fun to drive. Just my 2 pfennigs..

VW Scirocco's at old school National circuits. What's not to love  :tt1:

The vote suggests another Leg Ends is fave.
I agree, this is why I wanted someone else to design the series, as I wanted some fresh thinking.

Only issue I saw with this last series is that not everyone wants to buy all the cars and tracks

I have most of everything because I have spent years testing stuff, but some don't.

I can design something if required, bit I would prefer someone else to do it for the reasons above.
I am assuming Birger would be involved?

Was thinking the same, for next thursday a non champ event, i will test if the P2 works for close pack oval racing.



Indeed with the GT3 Chevy, if you changed the setup towards an oval setup the car loose in the corners. Indeed it was flat out, but you needed to safe fuel to do the race without pitstop. So tactics where needed, and provided oppertunities for slower drivers to follow with the bunch.

KTM - indeed fun, drive it sometimes in AI race`s
GT4 - currently doing a GT4 championship on monday at ACR. mixed feelings about this class
BMW M235 - did tried it a few times in Rookies, easy car i thought
Audi TT - very FUN car, did a Belgian/Dutch championship previous autumn. Close racing, fun overtakes with PTP.
FRJ is maybe my favourite, GTE / group 4 never tried it and happy with TCR cars 

Indeed, but i need some tweaking this weekend for another `leg ends` series.

maybe therefore we can change the concept, like my first post. You can choose from a serie`s of classic cars. Fastest are more expensive than slower car`s. So are free to choose, change everytime your car that suits you best, are stick for the entire serie`s with 1 car (not possible to choose the fastest car, because of budget restraints). Same for if you change car`s, if you choose for the first race the fastest car, you need to pich a medium or slower car for the next events.

Like a said need some admin work  ;D


already busy  ;D

How about tracks, could use some of those that we don't often utilise. Like:

Lausitz
Moscow
Gellerasen
Macau (in something that will get around the hairpin!)
The Chinese ones
New layout at Indy
New tracks Nogaro & Assen

Note that I was not referring to the GT4 class, but to the Cayman Trophy class. Although both are named Cayman GT4, these two cars are in fact not quite the same - the Cayman Trophy Cup car is slightly heavier and has fewer setup options (fixed rear wing and non-adjustable dampers) than the Cayman found in the full GT4 class, and is therefore both easier to setup and slightly more forgiving on the limit. And of course, this is a single make series, unlike the full GT4 class. So, easy to drive and close racing guaranteed - what's not to like..!?

If we have an oval race at Daytona next week, can we have a rolling start?  It rather defeats the object of a potentially close race if half the field gets delayed because someone (probably me  :D) loses control trying to do a standing start on the banking.

So. In the interests of giving Birger (and me) some time to properly plan/test a series with variable cars
and maybe some sort of "legzy Dollars" if you remember that, or like Tony does with his max drives per car

I will create a rolling start, non champ, Daytona Oval event, initially for the P2 Chevy. If Birgir thinks they
wouldn't work, then we can change the car. I don't have any issue with supporting our Thursday evening
events, I am just fed up with having to to try to be creative, and get complaints

It is much better if others are involved, if nothing else, I can at least blame them for the poor choices  :lol:

I am in London week after next, so I won't be attending whatever event runs that week, but I will have
internet access to offer support.

Yep, tested the P2 Chevy and was surprised that the car worked well. Even bump drafting with AI cars worked (only for some reason they braked for the corners ????  ;D)

Pro`s: More easier to drive, and more tires to choose.


Cons: Even with a oval setup, easy to drive, only 1 brick needed for the right pedal  ;D. Engine mode`s has less impact to fuel consumption


If was thinking to name the event the Daytona 50(0)

Tire wear 4x / fuel consumption 3x / rolling start

Practice: 30min
Quali: 15min (not select private like on the Ranked servers, so we can use tactics to gave a good quali)
Race in total 50 laps divided by 3 Race`s:
Race 1 / Stage 1: 12 laps (startorder based on quali)
Race 2 / Stage 2: 13 laps (startorder based on R1)
Race 3 / Finish: 25 laps (startorder based on R2) (this one is with a pitstop)

Is it possible to change the point`s like NASCAR:
like maybe for R1 and R2: 5 / 4 / 3 / 2 / 1 pts
R3 Finish: 20 / 19 / 18 / 17 / 16 / 15 / ... pts


If most of the people are happy with this fun event, i will quickly make tomorrow a banner for Discord and 3sectors.



Also doing some testing for 3 serie`s:
- GT2 serie on US/CHI/AUS tracks
- 2 car serie`s - 4 race`s with 1 type of car and 4 race`s with another one

• WTCC and Audi TT
• open wheel/ close wheel championship (WTCC and FRJ)

witr
- classic championship every first thursday of the month (so 10 race`s for 2022) with NSU,Group 2,Porkie and Group 4

Looks good.

My comments would be:

3 short oval races would be not long enough, maybe top ten reverse grid for race 2, which would be longer
maybe pitstops, but 25 laps at 47 seconds per lap is a bit short perhaps.

Yes we can use different scoring schemes. I don't think I can do it for individual races in the same evening though....
Tony is better at this than I am. To me we set a scoring scheme for the whole series. And this Oval event
would not be part of a series, it would be run as "E8" top level as a non champ event

I'm not sure it's worth the messing about for just one fun event?

GTR2 series is very easy to do.

2 cars, or 4, or 6 cars can be done with some recording of who has used what car with a limit of
2 or more drives per car.

Here is an example of what Tony does for some of his GTL series https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SR_KIsT2tJ1jkIvisxRkh9Jp_-3NXY6gP9DqhgAzLo8/edit#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SR_KIsT2tJ1jkIvisxRkh9Jp_-3NXY6gP9DqhgAzLo8/edit#gid=0)

I like the 1st Thursday Historic series  :thumbup1:  Again, very easy to do.

And, I am with Geoff on make use of some tracks we have used less, as I tended to use tracks that people had
and I knew worked.

Reason for 3 oval race`s was if you have a crash that after 10min you have another chance

12laps: approx 9min
13laps: approx 10min
25laps: approx 19-20min

so almost the same as 2 times 20min

Ok. Done.

It doesn't allow race 2 to be order of finish from race one, also not for race 3
It does allow mandatory pitstop, but only all races

So. We can specify race 3 needs a pitstop in the race thread, or leave it.
It allows reverse grid, but you can't pick which race in the web console
it's race two and race 3 or not at all. Perhaps some clever command line might do it
but that's above my pay grade at the moment ;D

I will update the event page when all is settled.

Also...

Our results system can only accept 2 races per event at the moment
I could create the 3rd race as a separate event itself, but that would mean
stopping the server changing the race setiings, and restarting manually, which we could do,
but might take the spontaneity out of it.

If we wan't to run triple races I will ask Dave to add that feature perhaps.

Ah okay, than i would think 17laps and 33laps is the best solution. Normal points, and rerversed grid.

Done

So, I have set 20 mins Practice, 15min qual, 17 laps Race 1, 33 laps race 2 with top 10 reverse grid
We can force a pitstop with X something fuel if you like? or we can leave it as a straight race

Suggestion for GTR 2 - Championship

standard 30min race`s

24-2-22: Road America
17-3-22: Mid Ohio
31-3-22: Daytona Road course
21-4-22: Sonomo Long
12-5-22: Watkins Glen, loop + chicane
26-5-22: Zuhai
16-6-22: Zheijang GP
30-6-22: Bathurst

track choice based on Continent and with a trip towards China.

Suggestion for Best of both -(open against close wheel racing)

Classes: WTCC 2013 and FRJ
question 1x30min race or 2x20min?

17-2-22: Brands Hatch Indy                            - FRJ
10-3-22: Brno                                     - WTCC (! Brno is a new track to buy)
24-3-22: Lausitzring Short                              - FRJ
14-4-22: Most                                      - WTCC
28-4-22: Gelerassen Full                       - FRJ
19-5-22: Assen                                    - WTCC (! Assen is a new track to buy)
09-6-22: Moscow Sprint                                  - FRJ
23-6-22: Macau                                              - WTCC (Melco hairpin is OK - and maybe the final race a longer race?)

Track choice based on EU circuit + suggestions of Geoff and the final in Macau (did a Macau test, and car drive`s well on this track, off course pending on the drivers  ;D)

3 championships
1 overall championship
and 2 class championship (that i will manually count and post)

GTR2 is easy, can do that

Not sure how we can score two championships within one.
We can have one for FRJ and another for WTCC
and then maybe manually count, as you say.

Give it a day for comments and then I will ask Tony to create the 3 series.

And, I wanted to include Brno anyway, so I would go with that.

Those looks pretty good Birger, plenty of interesting combos.

A couple of comments (just my opinion of course). We have used Brno before so most should have it, and I think both Brno & Aragon are more interesting than Zolder, but that's because I dislike chicanes  ::). I would also suggest we use the full Gellerasen track, as the short one is a bit too short. But as I say just my opinion.

I've never run an event a Brno yet, though Stephen did on a Sunday, so some people might have it.
And I don't like Zolder either, agreed that any variant of Aragorn is more interesting

They have Assen as well now, as a maybe Dutch track? and Nogaro is another possibilty.
Happy to go with Birgir's plan, just thinking aloud  :)

Yeh you are right Matt, we have used it twice, but both times on a Sunday.

Made some track adaptations for the WTCC tracks based on the suggetions from Matt and Geoff.

FRJ / Gellerasen now on the full track (long track for the FRJ).


After this evening ACR race, i will work on the classic serie`s



For the championship i would suggest the system will calculate all 4 race`s like a normal championship.

And i will manuaaly calculate the standings for the 4 FRJ race`s and the 4 WTCC race`s. So for this serie 2 minor champions and 1 overall.

So LM2 doesnt define a championship via defining a specific car.. so why cant you have a chamionship which utilities more than one car? We must have done loads of similar chamionships? Just look at the AC series FMG is running currently? Utilizing 3 cars across the whole series.

Of course you can. GTL does it all the time

We can have a single championship with multiple cars or car groups, sure we do this anyway

I "think" Birger would like to have a championship each for the two car groups
and then a combined championship to include the two sub championships

I am not sure how we could do that? Birger is saying he will manually create that top champ
and add the scores from the two sub champs

You assign each group of cars into a "class".

euh, isn`t that the same ???

So 1 overall championship FRJ+WTCC (like always, but two type of cars)

And then if possible in LM2, but not necesarry a sun-FRJ champ and a sub-WTCC champ. Don`t put to much effort in it, that can also be done manualy.

Something like this?

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=1622&theme=5

As defined here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SR_KIsT2tJ1jkIvisxRkh9Jp_-3NXY6gP9DqhgAzLo8/edit#gid=0

Are we going ahead with the FRJs at Brands this week?

We can, sure. Have I missed something?
I PM'd Birger Saturday, but have no reply yet.
Has he posted his series somewhere I haven't seen?

I haven't tried to implement his previous suggestions, as there seemed some doubt
I can ask Tony to create the series, as my account, or I get it wrong but it never lets
me save the series, and I will start adding the events if that's good?

No I haven't seen anything from Birger, that is why I was asking.

Perhaps he is away without net access.
I will start the wheels in motion

For me fine, to start the two competitions. Sorry didn`t notice the PM.

For the mixed FRJ-WTCC competition was my suggestion to do 3 rankings
     - 1 overall (8 race`s together)
     - 1 FRJ ranking (only race 1/3/5/7) - i can calculate it manually
     - 1 WTCC ranking (only race 2/4/6/8) - i can calculate it manually

GT2 competition as stated (banner for this competion finishing it this evening or tomorrow.

hello guys, my problem is cataract I have to operate I'm waiting, I'll go back to running with you as soon as I see better. Hello everybody

Sorry to hear that Riccardo, hope all goes well when you have the operation.

 :(  hope to see you back soon

hello everyone, I'm almost ready to go back and my Italian friends are also ready to go back to racing with you, you could have a championship like the legend but on 15 races and 10 valid for points, so as not to oblige to buy tracks and cars, you could start in October every Thursday. we are 6/7 pilots, waiting for your response I bring you greetings from the Virtual Drivers Alliance and my personal.

my proposal
1- Imola - BMW 235i
2- Macau - NSU TTS / TC Cup
3- Hungaroring - Touring Classic / TC Cup
4- Bathurst- M1 Cup
5- Donington - DTM 92
6- Red Bull Ring - DTM 95
7- Interlagos - Audi TT RS Cup
8- Watkins Glen G. P. - 2GT
9- Road America - DTM 2003/2005
10- Dubai - Group 5
11- Monza - GTO
12- SPA - DTM 2021
13- Daytona Road C. - Group C
14- Indianapolis Historic - FR US Cup
15- Silverstone Historic G.P. - P2
5 discard races - 10 valid races

I could run that no problem. Who else would be up for this?

Count me in  :thumbup2: :clap: :thumbup2:

Must say with the temperatures we've had this summer I'm glad I wasn't racing!

Definitely some interesting combinations there.

Will there be again series for this autumn?  ???


Maybe an idea is that the remaining drivers can join in for a GTE-Porkie 911 - RSR 2019 Championship at `Sim Racing Belgium`

And that we can do a training race at thursday?



To subscribe: https://beta.simracing.gp/championships/DkOolYKzhlr7zjhie51h8#registration (https://beta.simracing.gp/championships/DkOolYKzhlr7zjhie51h8#registration)

Circuits:
- Sonoma Sprint (40/15min REVERSED )
- Spa-Franchochamps GP (60min)
- Mid Ohio Full (30/30min REVERSED)
- Red Bull Ring GP (45/15min REVERSED)
- Watkins Glenn - GP with inner loop (60min)
- Monza GP (30/30min REVERSED)
- WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca (45/15min REVERSED)
- Daytona Road Course (2.4hr ENDURANCE) (DOUBLE POINTS)

If you compete in 7 of the 8 race`s you can win a buttonbox.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/992325181487976518/992334401750970438/RR_Porsche_atumn.png?width=676&height=676)

Riccardo is suggesting October...

If you want me to run Riccardo's series in October, I can do that. If people want to do Birgir's
series that's fine. I like the idea of being retired from Thursday  ::)

No problem Martin

If anyone is intrested in this SRB serie, they can join.

I will always have a look overhere, because this league is it, where it al started for me at the beginning of the COVID19 period.

I hate to ask, at these difficult times but, we need donations to keep this site going.

Please, please give something to help us all enjoy great fun (and some sim-racing).

We are relying on you so please don't let us down  :notworthy:

Arnt you the only ones racing here Tony!

Sadly, yes  :no:

So are we moving forward with this?

Fingers crossed

I'm not intending to move forward with anything at the moment.

Apart from Riccardo's friends, there's not been much interest in another series.

If one of you wants to run a series, I will help all I can.

hello everyone, if it's okay with you, I would say to start the series on Thursday 27 October which is my 70th birthday, on this occasion I will invite my companions to donate for the server. Hello everybody

I probably won't make every Thursday but if a new series starts on 27th Oct I may be able to do some of the races.

ciao ragazzi...come state? spero bene...cmq noi del vda siamo pronti per una nuova avventura!! e concordo con gengo di farvi una donazione perche siete un gruppo fantastico! :notworthy: :rockon: :tt1:

definitive proposal:

Imola - BMW M235 i
Macau- NSU TTS
Hungaroring- TC CUP
Bathurst- M1 CUP
Donington- DTM 92
Red Bull Ring- DTM 95
Interlagos- Audi TT RS CUP
Watkins Glen GP- WTCR 2022
Road America - DTM 2003
Dubai- Group 5
Monza- Group C
SPA- DTM 2021
Daytona Road Cours- 2 GT
Indianapolis Historic- GTO
Silverstone Historic GP- P2

15 Races - 10 Valid

cavolo che figata!!!

I think you might need to be clear what and when you need to fully define them.... race lengths, times, etc. as i'm not sure if Matt is will to set anything up or not.

the race times are the usual 30 minutes practice 15 minutes qualification 30 minutes of the race, the dates on Thursday.

So.  Tony has created a series "E9R70"
I will start adding Riccardo's events this week
Starting 27th Oct.

Please come along and make it worthwhile  8)

Virtual Drivers Alliance team names:
Riccardo Gengotti
Massimo Bonni
Alessandro Isacchini
Leonardo Chiappuella
Giuseppe Baldoni
Matteo Gulino
Alessandro Tancioni (possibly)
Claudio Farigu (possibly)

The "R70" is Riccardo's 70th  ;D

Thank you! Martin

Hi Martin, I have a new young driver named Matteo Gulino, see if you can do to be able to register him in the forum and in the championship, thanks

Riccardo

I don't think I have power to register people to the forum, they need to do it themselves
He will be added to the championship when he does his 1st event and I do the results.

Anyone short of cars or tracks for the current RRE series, there is a Black Week sale starting today.