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Practice 1:	20:00	(15 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:15	(10 mins)	reserves (not Clubmen) may join too
Qual 1:	20:25	(5 mins)	Clubmen may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1, G2, GT2, GTC or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.3 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (G2 and GT3 cars will not score points).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Silverstone ('Northampton') GP (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27); see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2990.0) if you have problems)
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Masters
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=367) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=52)
(2b) Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(2c) Drivers with a full time spot in the Endurance Clubmen should only take G2 or GT3 cars. Other reserves may take any permitted car.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.

Unfortunately I'm late for this one. Thought I may have made it on time. Good luck TS and TSJ.

See you all at Estoril

Colin

There's still 1 minute left to get in!  :o ;D

What a disapointing...i had MSN on and During laps 2,3 and 4
someone was trying to talk with me (several times)
i got 9 fps while this happened. I guess ReinMan and Madd-Rip
were thinking (pribeiro is driving even bad than usual) ::)
Anyway, i had to quit, because didnt stop those low fps moments,
as the guy who was trying to talk with me, didnt stop do it :(
Season 5 will have no much history, i believe, Porsches in front battling
for win and then the rest battling to avoid be last :-X

Damn MSN >:(

Cheers

Well, that was quick! 2, maybe 3 laps. Contact, bang into wall, puncture.  >:(  Must have made 200 laps in preparation for this event.   :dots:  Let's be more patient, guys. 1 corner in 80 minute race doesn't make that much difference.  :no:

TT

I could do with listening to that advice TT :( Really sorry Paul it was a bad move :( My car felt great up till my contact with paul then after I just couldn't control the bugger. Thought I had aero damage so came in thinking I go for 100L and hard rears and see where I could get to. Pitted in...No aero Damage ??? Went back out and promptly spun. I couldn't take anymore and hit escape :-[
Really sorry for then contact Paul :(

* EDITED TO REMOVE PUBLIC INCIDENT DISCUSSION - PM'd to ensure incident report is submitted in the correct manner and privately *

Unfortunately as much as it saddens me I have no option to report this incident and await an official responSe.

Frustrating race, lost about 10 seconds in the pits due to forgetting where the ignition was mapped to :D a bit of bad driving after the stop put me down another 8 seconds or so, and to cap it all I had some lag over the s/f line, went across the line on the grass and it didn't register my lap ??? so I went from 4th to 9th.  Shame, hopefully the mods can sort the mess out ;D

Great race, lots of different cars with about 8 guys all within about 20 seconds of winning pace towards the end.  ;D

I decided to try the Lister this time since nobody else seems to like it. Suprised myself with a 1:41.6 on my first flying lap in qual, which put me in the top 6 on the grid. I had tanked it with 100L of fuel and mediums all around for the start. In retrospect I may have been able to take softs, since I ended up pitting after the fuel was down to 3L and still no sign of worn tyres after nearly 1 hour driving hard  ???

Had lots of great battles throughout this one - too many to go into really. Great driving by everyone, including the very aware GT2 cars. I made a couple of mistakes - first running wide in the final complex when trying to lap a GT2 and ended up in the gravel, then spun it when I rejoined the tarmac  ::)  That cost me about 12 seconds.  Second mistake was not knowing where the line was for slowing down in the pits - i slowed down when I saw a line, but it turned out to be 250 metre before the correct line.  ::)  That cost me another 10 seconds or so. I finished about 27 seconds from the winner, so could have been a strong 3rd without those errors.

Clearly then, the Lister has the pace, especially if it can go a full tank of fuel on medium tyres without getting any tyres worn messages. It meant I only had to put 42L in the car at my stop, and I could have switched to softs there as well, though I didn't bother. I intend to stick with the Lister for the remainder of the season, and aim to get some better results in the remaining rounds by avoiding the silly mistakes I made this time  ;D

Congrats to Freq on a great win. Not sure what happened to Claus who seemed a bit out of sorts early in the race, and Ruskus vanished  from the server 10 minutes before the start  ??? Still, it all makes the championship battle more interesting  8)

Well I thought Pribeiro's lag gremlins had got him again, switch MSN off next time m8! As for the race, :jumpjoy: an amazing fight with Reign man for 80 minutes, he managed to scoot off and build up a good gap and we were see-sawing during the lap but I just couldn't make any impression as I'd fuelled up for a long first stint.
After my stop I was amazed to find myself in front of him, apparantly he'd spun after his stop giving me a gap....which lasted no time at all tbh.
This meant a furious and fair fight to the flag, a few time he got along side but I managed to shut the door, and after one manouvre went wrong he graciously allowed me past to resume the fight. Thankyou very much, a very noble gesture, and very much appreciated. Although my car was sliding so much I think another few laps and you would have got me anyway. One minor gripe, some GT's were a little forceful at times, I know we're hugely slower, but is waiting for the straights a little bit too much to ask? Sometimes moving off line in a corner causes more problems. We are aware you're there just give us a bit of space too.

Once again a truly magnificent race, Reign Man.

PS sorry to Paul btw, I lost the back end. Many apologies.

Temporary results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=367) and replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/) available, but there will hopefully be a correction due to Zacari's problem.

My race was pretty boring really. The Saleen is so unexciting compared to the Lambo and I was nowhere near the pace of everyone else in GT. Anyway I did my thing, just stayed way out of trouble, let people pass if they wanna cause I know I'm slower, but above all just race the pace I know I'm not going to fall off at and avoid collisions. Started last on the grid by a margin and just hoped to pick up places as people inevitably went off being heros and villians and also picking up my usual massive amount of time in the pit stop. Lo and behold I finished 5th after not passing a soul from an overtake. Daft! CJ was very scary as he warped all over the place, but I can say at least once I beat him ;D :P, even if there was clearly something dodgy going on at his end to make him so slow and warpy.

Just a reminder to everyone that chat is not allowed during races. ONLY "pit in" and "pit out" signals are allowed. Everything else is not allowed, including "thanks" and comments about incidents. The reason is that it is very off putting for every one else in the race.

Thanks.

Please submit all incident reports using the incident reporting form.

A link entitled "submit an incident report" can be found at the bottom of the individual event's results page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=367) or in this instance using the following link (click me) (https://www.simracing.org.uk/lm2/index.php?action=increp&event=367).

Thanks.

First need to apologise to Luis Branco - sorry man, I knew I was fast round Bridge and committed to pass you on the exit as I knew I'd be carrying more speed down there. Your kind "after you sir" move unfortunately meant me running into you when I panicked after seeing you slow down - sorry! At least there was only minimal time lost and no major damage to either car. :/

Great dicing with Mo for the first half of the race, really evenly matched and great fun. I felt terrible when Enzo went off, as I thought I'd done it! I didn't feel any contact but looked in my mirror and saw a Porsche upside down and immediately thought my stupid attempt to pass Mo had gone even worse by taking out a lappee.....after that I tried to pull myself together and get into a rhythm but felt awful. :-[   
Feel free to copy me into the incident report Enzo/Mo, despite me not making any contact with anyone, I was very close to you both with my bodged up attempt at overtaking Mo. Very sorry if this contributed to the crash. :(

Pitstop went a bit pants as I overfilled by almost 20L again, I've really got to get more aggressive in my pit strategy. Came out behind CJ but his net problems reappeared and managed to come home first after a late charge from Paul. Good race Paul, had me sweating at the end!

Very strange race though, as happy as I am to have somehow won my first ever Master's race, I'm under no illusions about how tough this championship is. I was very lucky to have Ruskus, Jon, and CJ all suffer problems and dissapear during the race and know I would have been fighting for a podium or 4th had this not happened. These days don't come along often, so I'll take what I can. Finally I can start feeling good after feeling awful all race :)

My bad on this one Simon, I forgot where all my binds were and was accidentally hitting the wrong ones for much of the race  :-X

Usually I thank people by flashing my headlights, but can't do this when other lappee's are in front of me as well, as I might be misunderstood. I usually keep to simple "thanks" or "sorry" messages though.

That was hard work.

Started behind Pirbeiro but a short way in his car started skipping all over the place, so once I passed him while he took a tip to the outside of turn three, it was just a mater of keeping it on the track. Sorry to see you go off Pribeiro, was looking forward to a good fight!.

I was able to get out of the way of most of the GT's without too much trouble, but a couple of times I found myself virtually at a standstill letting them by. I must stop doing that!!!

I decided to take it easy as driving the TVR on worn Dunlops is very hard work, and hoped that by going easy I would have a better time of it mid race.

It didn't happen like I wanted. After 35 Min's the handling went to pot; I was all over the place and the 14 second lead I had over Madd came down to 8 seconds by the time I pitted 4 laps or so later. (This being on mediums, god knows what it would have been like on softs!!)

Pit stop went ok, was very pleased to get some new tyres on and have my car handling good again....but as I exited the pits I erm...somehow put the car into the wall on turn two!!!  ::) Not sure how I did it, but it's definitely one to forget. So my new found grip levels lasted all of what!....4 seconds.

Madd came out of the pits 8 seconds ahead of me but I was still able to claw my way to his rear bumper and for the last 15 Min's I tried to pass him but I just couldn't find a way to do it! It was a lot of fun battling with Madd and letting the faster cars by, I tried to get an advantage from them but  Madd would always close the door. Great racing Madd, I'll get ya at the next one!.   :2guns:

Sorry for the hit Madd, I was in no mans land during breaking, and the wheels just locked. :oops:

I had only one incident with lapping cars, other than that it was a really good race!.

Oh.. and props to Will for rollin around in the GT3.

See ya at Estoril

Reign Man

Was going to join this race last night but then saw that i could only run a G3 or G2? car because 'i am full time in clubmen' (as it mentions on the events page). However, i am racing GT1 in clubman (for the first time) and wanted to run a GT2 car last night.
Bearing in mind that only 21 people raced, would anyone object if i joined in the Masters enduros in a GT2 car ? There just arn't enough runners (or interest in my part) to compete in a G3 car in an 80min race.
No worries if its a problem, just thought i'd ask for future events, and others may have been thinking the same. Perhaps the fuller the grid, the better?
Of course if there were a gaggle of G3 cars i could be tempted to run one of those :angel:.

Well, the rules are clear in anouncement and I have no objection to have another Legend here.  ;D

TT

The reason for not allowing members from the 'other' division in scoring cars is that they're scoring cars - it wouldn't be right for the championship to be affected by a driver from the other place. (Reserves are in a slightly different position.) I thought about joining last night in a Viper CC but I didn't think there would be so many spots free. :o

Sorry I missed this one :( Unfortunately real life got in the way.

Is there no way to make guests as non-scoring instead of the cars? While I think the G3 cars work well for the masters in clubmen races I'm not convinced it is a good idea the other way round. I had a few instances at Anderstorp catching G3s mid corner who were going extremely slowly, and one last night where I caught a cup car at Maggotts and had to drive off the track to avoid it as it came back on line after letting the GT1s ahead of me past. The problem is that the speed differences are already big, but slower drivers in slower cars are an accident waiting to happen IMO. I'd much prefer to see clubmen take GT2s but not score.

Just to add that this isn't a complaint about the driving at all (I think it was Will).

Another up and down race for me. 2nd on the grid was nice, and with CJ having big problems I was up to 1st after lap 1. Jon in 2nd was all over me in some places and then slower in others, and we yo-yoed like this for a few laps before he got a bit too keen at Stowe, tapped my rear end and launched me about 100 feet in the air. :wacko:

When I landed the car was miraculously still OK so I rejoined in 7th. A few laps later I had a big moment avoiding Will at Maggots (see above post) and lost another place to Backo. I was then sitting at the end of a chain consisting of Eccles, Nev, Zacari, and Backo and it stayed this way for quite a while until Backo pitted for what looked like a 2 stop strategy (surely this can't be worth it can it?). Zacari got past Nev and I then had a long session bottled up behind him until I pitted around lap 27 (Nev ran wide just before while lapping so I was in 6th on my way into the pits).

I came out in 9th just ahead of a hard charging Zacari, who tried to pass round the outside at Abbey but we touched at the apex and he ran wide (hope you feel this was fair m8?). I gained another 2 spots due to pitters next lap and then had 6th when mo made a mistake at Beckets. Then Bernie and Backo pitted ahead, Claus had more problems and dropped back and Nev finally made his very late stop, leaving me an amazing 2nd!

I was then chasing down Freq, and when he made a small mistake it was clear there was a chance for the win. I managed to get within half a second, but my tyres made it impossible to push that extra bit and Freq did a really good job on his worn rubber. I can't be that unhappy with 2nd though in the circumstances. Well done to Freq and Leuven for the class wins and thanks to all those I lapped (no problem with the spin Madd btw).

I didn’t win in GT2 class, although I tried. ;D

I repeated the same mistake twice, when I lost it at the same corner: first on lap three, if not mistaken, and then again just before the pit stop, both when was leading the GT2 class. :(

After the first off road test I was nearly four seconds behind Leuven and Enzo. I was able to catch them again after gaining them until got behind Leuven with a distance of only 0.2 to 0.4 seconds.
Then Leuven went a bit wide entering to the starting/finishing straight and I got 2nd place.
I then started to close the gap to Enzo when he and a GT1 had a close encounter just in front and I saw myself in first again.
I had around 4 seconds in front of Leuven and took the foot off and was planning to control the race when made the second mistake, at the same corner and exactly the same way.
To the end of the race I was catching up James and after gaining around 7 seconds on him I was getting very close, with only 1.2 seconds distance.
Then it was my turn to have also a close encounter with a GT1 (no worries there tho   ;) ) and quickly saw the difference rise back to around some 10 seconds.
I still struggled to catch him again, but there was no time left so I only finished 3rd.

I had some good fun moments in the race and I just loved the track. :)

Congrats to the winners

Oops - sorry to Leuven. I've edited my post now.

As I've said in the past, if we can't keep proper grid numbers up then it's time to stop running two Endurance divisions. Clubmen in GT2s are likely to be as bad as in GT3s because they've going to have the pace on the straights to be a pain; at least in GT3s they're easy pickings on the straights.

Adding non-scoring guests would require significant reworking of the code because the system doesn't currently store historical information about who is registered for what, only current status.

Yeah, fair enough, i dont want to step on anyones toes, but really (and if spaces are available) i dont see why drivers couldnt have the option of running GT1 in one endurance series and GT2 in the other. Though i'd be the first to admit 'clubmen' is more than enough of a challenge for me in a GT1 car, i can still give plenty a run for their money in the Masters GT2 class :fencing:  Legends racers 'own' the Endurance NGT team champ cup for about,ooh 4 seasons now  8)
Its a tough call for you admin guys i know, because you have to be fair in allocating spaces to the various championships but the hard truth of the matter is that a big percentage of guys who enlist for them never show up or do so on odd occasions, leaving the grids low.
Daves already kindly given me an additional sprint FT place in the GT1 class so i dont want to be a greedy sod, i just want to race, especially when there is a depleted field and i know i could give the other regulars a reasonably good fight on track...which is what we all turn up for !
Just thought i'd ask, not a problem. Might make the odd guest appearance in a cup car Porker  :euro:

OK Dave. My point was not about numbers but about safety - I think we will see accidents with clubmen driving GT3s in the masters race due to the speed difference. The fact that they are so much slower on the straight means that if a GT1 meets them on entry to a corner then both drivers can be taken by surprise.

I take the point about the system not allowing it though. 

I can understand Dave's point of view, but personally I would have enjoyed the extra competition from Mark in a GT2 car last night; the more the merrier.  I even don't care if these drivers take points away from me (which they probably will :P).  Having only 6 GT2 cars and only 2 GTC cars can't be good for close racing, especially in an endurance event.

I felt really sorry for Will racing alone in his GT3.  It can't be fun.

Can't we come to some kind of compromise and allow drivers with proven ability to make up the numbers in the GT2/GTC classes?



Suggestion:  For season 6 can't we have a Reserve car for each model?  For example, you could have a Porsche RSR classed as "Reserve" instead of "GT2".  Is this possible???  

This would effectively make it a non-scoring car.
 
Just a thought.  ;D  

Sorry for missing the first 2 races but I have just moved house and I'm still waiting for sky to sort out my broadband it been 3 weeks now >:(

Hopefully see you guys at the next one  :-\
C

Sorry about this guys - i should have taken a faster car - maybe the TVR.
The GT1's came around very quickly behind me - one moment nothing in the rear view mirror, then 4 frontrunners the next!

Sorry if i lost you time Paul BTW - i will go for a quicker car next time if there are any spare masters spots left - how about limiting reserve entry to G2's or one specific class, eliminating the points being messed up?

Hope i didn't get in anyones way too much..

As I said Will, I don't have a problem with being held up or with what you did. I'm just concerned with avoiding incidents. As you rightly say, it all happens very quickly. From my perspective, one moment there was a bunch of pixels in the far distance which I assumed were the GT1 cars I'd been chasing, and the next moment I'm right on top of you as you came back on line after moving over for the guys ahead. Pretty scarry!

That was a very strange "experience", i noticed late in qual session fps was dropped to 10s and that was in monitor, so obviously something was acting strange with the game, never seen anything like this before, dunno if it was the track, everything seemed fine tuesday in sprint race so I'm puzzled, or maybe a weather thing. Other cars looked fine so think the connection side of things were good. Could be the dreaded 1fps bug, but maybe keeping my sys running lowest possible services under XP running during gaming saved it from completely locking up.
Anyway every laps small freezes, on a 'good' lap I only lost a sec, but many laps I had small lockups for a splitsecond, but sometimes huge stutters everywhere, rates could be 90'ish and then next turn completely crap out, specially Abbey/Bridge/Priory section was a real lottery getting safe past. Usually every second lap nothing happened so atleast it was somewhat predictable and I could takes counter measures  ::) 
In the end I couldn't do much but just let other cars get past and try to stay out of harms way as best as possible.

I must admit I am concerned that these stutters and fps problems are due to the changeable weather. I have a very fast system and very high frame rates yet stutters in game at random, does seem worse in Endurance races.

There were previously performance issues related to changeable weather in the server so I wonder whether they are still bugging us. I though that was one of the fixes in 1.1 of the game?

 :-\ Speculation  :-\

The "fix" was to stop weather actually changing during the race - it's set at the beginning of the session and never changes.

Personally I don't seem to have suffered any stuttering problems with the changeable weather, then again I use very conservative settings to reduce the load on my machine.

Zacari's position has been corrected. It wasn't the last one he dropped, it was one about 6 from the end - you can see the longer lap clearly in the Race export, along with the times when he crossed the lap before and after it.

Thanks Dave :)

not had any drop in frame rates or stutters since introduction of changeable weather.  :angel:

Same here.  :)

TT

I'm have found my frame rates to drop at times. Very intermitten and no obvious reason. Never happened last season.

One session it's fine the next it's not, very strange

I've noticed a strange stuttering on 2 or 3 occasions, which happened when I was in the vicinity of cars that were have some sort of Disco or issues ..... once when Reignman's (afaik) car was upside down a sunk into the ground. Generally its smooth though.

No problems whatsoever here. Besides, except for a much evident freeze in Anderstorp (don't remember who), I've never seen any problems with other cars as well.
Frame rate at a steady +140 FPS with all bells and whistles on  ;D