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Title: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 09, 2007, 09:49:42 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:00(15 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:15(10 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 1:20:25(5 mins)Masters may join too
Qual 2:20:30(25 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1, G2, GT2, GTC or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.3 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (G2 and GT3 cars will not score points).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Dubai GP
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Clubmen
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=362) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=51)
(2b) Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(2c) Drivers with a full time spot in the Endurance Masters should only take G2 or GT3 cars. Other reserves may take any permitted car.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: drumbstick on May 09, 2007, 10:33:12 AM +0100
I am not going to be able to make this guys soory  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: picnic on May 09, 2007, 10:48:02 AM +0100
I'm missing this one too  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Nick Phillips on May 09, 2007, 12:13:51 PM +0100
However I can make it, have now completely ( he says) sussed pit stops in GTR2, and will win ;D ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Adam Parle on May 09, 2007, 12:39:51 PM +0100
However I can make it, have now completely ( he says) sussed pit stops in GTR2, and will win ;D ;D

We shall see .... us Vertigo driving Legends types may have something to say about that!!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: popabawa on May 09, 2007, 12:40:26 PM +0100
However I can make it, have now completely ( he says) sussed pit stops in GTR2, and will win ;D ;D

Unfortunately, that's probably true :'(

Still, I'm sure if you try then you can find a new and innovative way of making a mess of it ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Nick Phillips on May 09, 2007, 01:00:17 PM +0100
However I can make it, have now completely ( he says) sussed pit stops in GTR2, and will win ;D ;D

Unfortunately, that's probably true :'(

Still, I'm sure if you try then you can find a new and innovative way of making a mess of it ;D

There is always that chance indeed  ;D :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 09, 2007, 01:04:49 PM +0100
That's two places I've made up before the race. :laugh:

Despite my continuing sense that I just don't 'get' the GT1 cars, the Corvette was brilliantly consistent during last night's Sprint so I should be on to uphold Team Shark senior honour on Sunday night.

I hope.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Adam Parle on May 09, 2007, 01:08:53 PM +0100
However I can make it, have now completely ( he says) sussed pit stops in GTR2, and will win ;D ;D

Unfortunately, that's probably true :'(




Erm ..... Pops, when I said "us Vertigo driving Legends types may have something to say about that!!" that wasn't exactly what I'd had in mind!!!!!  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: popabawa on May 09, 2007, 01:19:45 PM +0100
Shhhhh! ....reverse psychology.... :shifty: :ninja:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Nick Phillips on May 09, 2007, 01:24:35 PM +0100
Shhhhh! ....reverse psychology.... :shifty: :ninja:

You talking to me now?? 8) 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: popabawa on May 09, 2007, 01:53:42 PM +0100
You talking to me now?? 8) 8)

See? It's working!  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Nick Phillips on May 09, 2007, 06:18:20 PM +0100
Is it?
Is it really :-*


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Adam Parle on May 09, 2007, 08:50:28 PM +0100
Is it?
Is it really :-*

Is it what!? ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Mark J on May 09, 2007, 08:59:30 PM +0100
Quote
the Corvette was brilliantly consistent during last night's Sprint so I should be on to uphold Team Shark senior honour on Sunday night.

I hope.

I'll be doing my best to put you to the sword m'sieur  :fencing: and continue my form from the sprint......hopefully :shifty:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Nick Phillips on May 09, 2007, 10:27:38 PM +0100

Aha see, got you thinking now.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Adam Parle on May 09, 2007, 11:27:59 PM +0100
Aha see, got you thinking now.

HA - don't be so sure.  I am a member of Legends Racing!!



......hang on - what ?? ???  Damn this Cinzano clouding my brain! :helpsmilie:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Bully on May 11, 2007, 07:21:53 PM +0100
Nice I should be able to make this one. Better get practicing! See you  on track.

Bully ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Splintheter on May 11, 2007, 10:50:45 PM +0100
Anybody have any setups up for the M3 GTR I can borrow (ummmm, steal) for this track as im struggling BIG time.......... ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 12, 2007, 06:40:55 PM +0100
Advanced warning: the server is suffering a case of dead PSU syndrome and is unlikely to be fixed by tomorrow night, so it's highly likely that the race will have to be postponed. :'( Either we will put the schedule back one week (as Tuesday's sprint may also be a problem) or by two weeks (to keep the Masters/Endurance and Sprint classes in the same weeks) and hold two special events next Sunday and Tuesday.

More info when we have it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Truetom on May 12, 2007, 08:22:18 PM +0100
 :(

I'm glad we have capable hands (and brain  :) ) working on it.  :thumbup1:

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: psuedo on May 12, 2007, 10:49:46 PM +0100
That would mean I can get MORE practice  ;D

Ok, Ok .....I'll return the chip I stole from the server   


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Nick Phillips on May 12, 2007, 10:51:12 PM +0100
Doh! , have to pretend I am racing and practice my new found pit stop strategy then.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 13
Post by: Jeffrey on May 12, 2007, 11:25:44 PM +0100
If I can join it's Viper CC for me, and if the Vertigo boys don't go too fast, I might keep up with them (2:02 max).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 13, 2007, 10:11:15 AM +0100
Event now rescheduled for next Sunday, the 20th of May.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Nick Phillips on May 13, 2007, 10:57:51 AM +0100
Oh well, will have to see how running this compares to running F1 at Bahrain at R2P.

Would rather have had it moved on another fortnight personally but then again am missing that one anyway, this might work in my favour as I should now, given everything has shifted a week, be able to make the Enna (?) race and therefore every race this season.

So good decision Gizmo!

However if that is the case cannot do the F1 series.

Decisions decisions.....


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Nick Phillips on May 15, 2007, 12:32:37 PM +0100
How is that whole PSU replacement thing going on then?

Are we still on for Sunday?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 15, 2007, 01:36:34 PM +0100
How is that whole PSU replacement thing going on then?

Are we still on for Sunday?

Tonight is of more immediate concern!

I'm sure Picnic will update us as soon as he has any news one way or t'other...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 15, 2007, 03:26:09 PM +0100
Any news? 

Hope we're on for racing tonight.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: picnic on May 15, 2007, 03:28:31 PM +0100
The *$%"&^$*£ haven't replied to a single email today, I just raised a completely new support ticket to try and solicit some response  >:(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Paul968 on May 15, 2007, 03:35:48 PM +0100
Can we have a cut off time for postponing the race? Time is precious and I don't want to put in practice for the race only to see it wasted.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 15, 2007, 03:40:51 PM +0100
Can we have a cut off time for postponing the race? Time is precious and I don't want to put in practice for the race only to see it wasted.

I was just thinking the same thing - but this is the wrong thread. ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Paul968 on May 15, 2007, 04:11:01 PM +0100
So it is! I saw you post on the other thread and then Pete's, so it's rather a moot point now. Thanks for the cutoff anyway  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 18, 2007, 06:37:59 PM +0100
Gents, is the server likely to be in place for sunday nights clubman race ?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 18, 2007, 07:33:28 PM +0100
Gents, is the server likely to be in place for sunday nights clubman race ?

We believe that the temporary replacement will be ready in time for Sunday.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Jure on May 18, 2007, 10:33:20 PM +0100
Gents, is the server likely to be in place for sunday nights clubman race ?

We believe that the temporary replacement will be ready in time for Sunday.

We believe we're happy with that  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: picnic on May 18, 2007, 11:07:40 PM +0100
Yes we should be OK for Sunday, I have access to the temp server now and I am uploading GTR2 as I type. Should be there for when I get up in the morning, then the install, add the patchesm skin pack..... ;)



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Truetom on May 19, 2007, 07:24:56 AM +0100
Looking forward to it. Was on for a bit of action and joined a public server. Guess who I met - another hungry driver from our League.  :D
Yes, we are that desperate!   ;D

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Jeffrey on May 19, 2007, 08:30:54 AM +0100
Looking forward to it. Was on for a bit of action and joined a public server. Guess who I met - another hungry driver from our League.  :D
Yes, we are that desperate!   ;D

TT

 ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: will16v on May 20, 2007, 11:49:44 AM +0100
Can't make this one as new system is still not up and running properly yet, and ISP is winding me up promising to fix line speed issues and not doing so...
Hopefully back on track next weekend  ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Splintheter on May 20, 2007, 09:36:42 PM +0100
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Splintheter on May 20, 2007, 10:25:59 PM +0100
Im not quite sure how to describe that race! A few very high highs  ;D and low points  :'(

I spent the entire day practicing and it showed as i got my highest quali ever  8th  :D

The race started very well with myself PRibeiro scrapping but I couldnt keep up, eventually the GTC boys caught me and when I went wide to let a GT1 go through 2 or 3 of them trid to squeeze through and I tagged one of them, ill wait for the replay before I apologise or moan  ???

Unfortunaltely that incident pretty much killed my race as I lost the right front and bumper.

After pitting for more than 2 minutes, I pretty much gave up the will to live.

Apologies to Adam, who I started to race towards the end, I spun in front of you and you hit me. I guess I had no right to be racing you as I was 2 laps behind, so apologies and really hope i didnt ruin your race.

But none the less cant think of a better way to have spent my day :)  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Jeffrey on May 20, 2007, 10:35:28 PM +0100
Man that was quite hard work.

Decided to rejoin and start from the back to give me maximum fun. And fun it was. The Viper ate all the Porka's and Vertislows big time. It was just hard to go in a corner  :P.

After gaining a few places it was a matter of crawling to the others, Nev and Simon. I was gaining right up before the stops when Simon and me went in at the same time, but he fueled up 6L more and had a 7s lead   :o. So it was back to fighting.

Again I was gaining on Simon as he was in tyre conservation mode  :sleep1:(sorry for the foul language Dave  ;)) and I overtook him, just for him to overtake me again  ;D. But he made a doodoo before the back straight and I could outbrake him again, and on the corner exit Simon tried to avoid an imaginary women I think, as he was all over the place  :P.

Then I was trying to overtake SbG, but I had bad luck with being lapped. 4 Times in a row I had to make room in the first twisty part, which cost me 1,5s each time. Just back luck nothing more, so I hoep I didn't hold up and GT1's.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Kerr on May 20, 2007, 10:38:38 PM +0100
Man that was hard going. Had put a bit of practice in but not at track temperatures of 49degrees, which knocked the living daylights out my tyres.

Not as quick as I had been off line but I guess everyone would be in the same boat with the heat.

I don't think times are much slower than sprint or what the masters will do next time out. A few guys in this class really are masterclass.

Had battles throughout the race. If it was not Jure it was Mark all over my backside. The only downside was the nudge I got that spun me. I was lifting off to allow backmarker time and space and I guess that caught the car behind me out. Jure took full advantage and sped past.

After pit stops and a couple of laps got within a 1sec of Jure but again tyres shot to pieces and started losing ground.

Had the disappearing fuel situation again. Computer showed I had enough for 14 laps with 18mins to go, I finished with less than 1 lap's worth left.

Well done all class winners and especially the two in my class Backo and Jure. You guys were very quick/


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 20, 2007, 10:44:54 PM +0100
Like that track but just didn't perform at all well tonight. Qualified dead last in GT1 and never looked capable of catching anyone else, compounded by some misunderstandings with slower cars, some of whom I rear ended - sorry to at least pseueueuedo and SbG and probably more I've forgotten - need to see the replay as there were a few occaisions where I felt the car in front suddenly lifted off on corner exit or braked very early with me behind, with predictable results.

Had to have my front end hammered back into shape during my stop - without that I might've challenged for 5th but in the end I doubt I had enough speed for even that. :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 20, 2007, 10:45:20 PM +0100
Cracking race, really had a fantastic battle with Brian Kerr and mostly Jure all the way from start to the pitstops. It was a shame they came up as i was loving the 2nd place v 3rd fight with Jures Lambo.  :fencing:

I was all over him in a lot of the turn complexes but just couldnt match the Lambos traction out of the corners and he would gain a breather every time i got right behind him. Superb fight. 8)

I really thought i was on for a podium tonight, i seemed to have the measure of Brian and had pulled out a small gap and was hoping to force Jure into an error to grab 2nd but after the stops i came out 10 seconds behind them both ???...i guess they had carried more fuel than me for their first stint and therefore needed less on the second stint?
I was going to do that but thought the heat would destroy my tyres but they actually stayed pretty good.
After the pitstop i lost about 4 more seconds catching lapping cars in all the wrong places on track and so then had a 12 sec deficit to make up.  :(  I got it back down to 8 seconds but then the race finished and i brought it home a dis-consolate 4th.
The pody still eludes me in GTR2  :(

Congrats to the top 3, fantastic driving and thanks also to all the slower cars who made every effort to make room. It looked ace on track seeing all the cup cars, like the vipers and porkers etc., and made it feel more realistic. 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Nevski on May 20, 2007, 10:48:44 PM +0100
My first time driving the Viper Coupe and it was great fun at this track!  ;D  I didn't think it would be faster than the 911 GT3s, but it totally gobbled them down the long straights and I was suprised to get a 2:02 flat in qually - almost as fast as a Vertinogo!  :laugh:

I was torn between taking mediums or hards for the race because the ambient temp was in the high 30s, so in the end I opted for hards. This gave the car the endurance to run long in the first stop, since I had tanked it with 100 litres at the start. However, the car was a bit of a handful on full tanks and hard tyres, and within a couple of laps Simon was all over the back of me, like a shark chasing an old bloke. In fact, he caught me so fast I was wondering whether it was Simon or Ruskus at the time  ???

Ended up having a great duel with Simon with never more than a second between us until he pitted just after half distance. I pitted from the lead of GT3 about 3 laps later but had another slow stop it seems - put about 18 litres too much fuel in and was slow restarting the engine. End result - I came out a good 10 seconds behind Simon and Ruskus. Got past Truetom fairly easily after a few laps but the rest of the cars were nowhere near me. I got bored with driving on my own after a while, so I pitted for fresh rubber and did some hotlapping towards the end, which netted me the fastest lap in GT3.  :)

Edit: make that the fastest lap in G3, not GT3. I had no idea there were two seperate classes there.  ???

Must be getting older.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Adam Parle on May 20, 2007, 10:50:40 PM +0100
Firstly Anthony/Splitheter .... it was me that contacted you as those GT1's went through ..... I was carrying a lot of speed through there, you were off-line and I thought there was room - turns out there wasn't.  Sorry about that, you were having a solid race until then.




The Vertigo should have been king here, I was well infront of PRibeiro in 8th, although he was closing consistently.  Unfortunately after Anthony's spin that lead took a hammering, and my bent out of shape aero was losing me a lot of time.

On the last lap another backmarker decides to overtake (fair enough the Vertigo ain't quick in a straight line) ..... but it was the LAST LAP FOR GOD'S SAKE.  HE had a slow exit out of the hairpin, allowing PRibeiro to close, and subsequently pass me using the Porkers power.


Happy with second in the GT2 and the GTC win (moderators report pending ....) but it should have  been top placings all round in my oppinion.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Splintheter on May 20, 2007, 10:53:12 PM +0100
Adam - You Hit Me - I hit you. Call it quits  ::)

Well done on your class win.....


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 20, 2007, 10:54:17 PM +0100
Great fun that, hats off to the "masters" for making the race for me.

Bit peeved when shark sped past me from start cause I knew Adam would be gone. However soon forgot that with some excellent mini-battles with shark, ruskus and nev in their vipers. Getting burned on the straight and putting the pressure on through the corners was really intense. Didn't really pass any of them but one, I'll mention no names Shark ;), did crack under the pressure. Great clean fun with you all.

I can't wait to try the viper next Sunday :D. And Dave, I ran wide to let you slip up inside but you misread me, just one of those things. No worries.  

Should just thank the chaps behind the scenes for putting that on, appreciate the lengths you went to :).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: picnic on May 20, 2007, 10:57:59 PM +0100
Replay  (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Dubai%20-%20Endurance%20Clubmen%20070520.zip)and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=362) and Provisional Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=51)



Edit: Replay now available


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Splintheter on May 20, 2007, 10:58:45 PM +0100
Woohoooooooooo ,i Just realised I got the lap record from my qualifying run.

Wont last long, But damn that makes me feel better  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: picnic on May 20, 2007, 11:03:03 PM +0100
Very consistent and quick driving up front in the GT1 class, the week's extra practice helped everyone but me who stressed over getting the temp server up and running  ;) I don't always get the chance to flash to say thanks to the slower cars who let me passed but I do thank you verbally, you just can't hear :) There are sections of this track that can make a big impact on times, so thanks :)

Seems I'm not very quick here, the fact my top speep was no better than the Bi-Turbo must prove my setup is pants. It was good through the fast first section but I lost time everywhere else to the other GTs.

Roll on somewhere cooler :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Splintheter on May 20, 2007, 11:07:07 PM +0100
pribeiro arent you a full time masters driver ?? ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: psuedo on May 20, 2007, 11:08:35 PM +0100
Phew....that was hard work.....but I loved it for my first race here.

Appologies to anybody if I got in the way a bit......think I got my tyre pressures wrong....it was like driving a bouncy castle in an ice rink  ::)

But I finished....got through to the end, which is about all I could have hoped for....

Thanks everyone.....great racing out there.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Adam Parle on May 20, 2007, 11:08:51 PM +0100
pribeiro arent you a full time masters driver ?? ???

A valid question indeed!   ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Nevski on May 20, 2007, 11:19:27 PM +0100
Replay and Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=362) and Provisional Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=51)

I can't access the replay. Is that link correct Picnic?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: picnic on May 20, 2007, 11:22:16 PM +0100
Replay is in Teal (so not real yet). I've forgotten the ftp login so can't upload it  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Nevski on May 20, 2007, 11:23:17 PM +0100
Replay is in Teal (so not real yet). I've forgotten the ftp login so can't upload it  :-[

Ah okay then. Glad I'm not the only senile old git on here  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: picnic on May 20, 2007, 11:25:09 PM +0100
Ah okay then. Glad I'm not the only senile old git on here  ;)

Hey, less of the old  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: BACKO on May 20, 2007, 11:31:05 PM +0100
Be honest I'm so happy!!! :)I didn't expected race like that  after my 2 weeks holiday in Slovakia.I'm still shocked :o.I did some laps today for set up my F550 and that was everthing,before I've been racing this track only ones with porsche.I love dubai so much and I really enjoyed race!!! ;DWhat can I say?Qualification frist and race frist as well !!!Thank you everyone for nice race and thanks slower cars  let me overtaked them easy.Now I'm looking forward for next race!!!Siya on track!!! ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: pribeiro on May 20, 2007, 11:35:23 PM +0100
pribeiro arent you a full time masters driver ?? ???

Yes, i am. :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: pribeiro on May 20, 2007, 11:41:40 PM +0100
Jeeeeeeeez, i should pick a G2 or GT3 car  >:(
Well, think i wasnt there 8), no points for me :-X
But, still, i had a great fun, thanks all for the fair driving.
To the new driver, thanks also, good behavior on track, cheers Psuedo. :)

Please remove my points (again), i think its the 2nd mistake i do with
the car choice :-[ ::)

Congrats backo. well done all.

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: silver53 on May 21, 2007, 12:19:43 AM +0100
Hi I think that mosler likes tyres for its tea I thought I had hard ones on it but they were only on the back and I ripped up the fronts ended up in the barriers with a burst but was near pits so got it fixed but ended up having to run with loads of rear brake which I do not like. Sorry to those Iwas not able    to let cleanly through in the braking areas as I was having a job to stop it spinning.cheers gerald


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 21, 2007, 07:30:32 AM +0100
Jeeeeeeeez, i should pick a G2 or GT3 car  >:(

:laugh: Wrong bi-turbo. ::) :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 21, 2007, 07:33:51 AM +0100
Hi I think that mosler likes tyres for its tea I thought I had hard ones on it but they were only on the back and I ripped up the fronts

I tried Medium rears and Soft fronts on the Vette during qualifying but the fronts just wear at twice the rate and I ended up with a car badly out of balance after a few laps so I raced on Hards at both ends.

No idea what to do for the next race. If I'm slow because I'm in the Corvette, will switching to another car just make me slower because of the lack of track time? If it's just me, switching will certainly slow me down. ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 21, 2007, 08:44:24 AM +0100
However, the car was a bit of a handful on full tanks and hard tyres, and within a couple of laps Simon was all over the back of me, like a shark chasing an old bloke. In fact, he caught me so fast I was wondering whether it was Simon or Ruskus at the time  ???

I was wondering what had happened to you Nev. You were 1.5 seconds faster than me in qually and ok I could have gone a little bit faster, but come the race and I was all over you in the first part until my tyres melted into the tarmac and we came about even.

I had chosen medium fronts and hard rears and that was good for the balance but after about 20 minutes of each session the wear was about 15 and temperatures constantly in the red on the left hand side. They went from "just about able to turn in" to "I'm going to have park the car backwards" into corners to get it to to turn in. Exits were fine as you could just use the throttle to turn it, but entry was horrible. At the end of each stint both left hand tyres were almost at 30 and the car was almost impossible to turn in. I wonder whether I should have put hards on the front. :-\

Ended up having a great duel with Simon with never more than a second between us until he pitted just after half distance. I pitted from the lead of GT3 about 3 laps later but had another slow stop it seems - put about 18 litres too much fuel in and was slow restarting the engine. End result - I came out a good 10 seconds behind Simon and Ruskus.

Yes thanks for the battle, I really enjoyed it. Some great side by side action, even some whilst letting GT1s through. Quite scarey to be fighting for position and have to find room for 3 abreast round corners.

I started on 100 litres and filled up to 74 litres at the stop. I had 30 left at the pit stop, so added 44 in the stop and had about 7 left at the end of the race. Ruskus used about 20 litres more fuel than me in the first stint?! I don't aim to save that much but my driving style certainly sees me use less fuel than most.

Edit: make that the fastest lap in G3, not GT3. I had no idea there were two seperate classes there.  ???

No me neither. I thought the Cup and Viper CC were in the same class, they should be. Shame to see no championship for the G3/GT3 cars either as I thought there would be one, but I guess that means we can chop and change cars whenever and just race for race results rather than points.

Certainly the Viper CC peed all over the GT3 Cup here at Dubai as it would at Monza and Enna, but the no ability to change gear ratios, eating tyres and fuel like a GT1 car and it's inability to turn into corners the Cup would be faster at twisty stuff for sure.

No idea what to do for the next race. If I'm slow because I'm in the Corvette, will switching to another car just make me slower because of the lack of track time? If it's just me, switching will certainly slow me down. ???

The Corvette is the slowest car so it's partly the car. You were not that far behind Picnic in qualifying considering he was in an MC12 and you were in the Vette. If you want to try and different car try the Lambo it's sooo much fun to drive, or maybe the Saleen as something fast and relatively easy to drive.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: popabawa on May 21, 2007, 08:53:13 AM +0100
I'm really sorry I missed this one, I was chomping at the bit to get back behind the wheel after the race got delayed but my internet connection was down all day yesterday so I missed out >:(

Congrats to Adam on the win, nice drive mate  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: picnic on May 21, 2007, 08:56:45 AM +0100
Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Dubai%20-%20Endurance%20Clubmen%20070520.zip) now available


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Jure on May 21, 2007, 09:15:47 AM +0100
Right. Was waiting for lapchart before posting race analysis, but hey...  ;D

It seems hot conditions caught us all unprepared... Opted for soft-soft in quali1 (which turned out to be my only relevant time due to horrific traffic in Q2), then chose medium-hard for the race, 100L on board, using this setup http://freeweb.siol.net/rbedenk1/dub550w8RChotmedhard.rar (in case any F550 masters need it  ;D ).

P3 on the grid, had a brainfart passing start/finish line (don't ask, was reading text on Kerr's Lambo  ::) ) and released pitlane limiter waaay too late which robbed me of any chance of challenging Kerr into T1.

It seems Jonzo thought Kerr was in F550 and myself in Lambo. Wroooong, vice versa mate ;)  :P Anyway, the three of us had a great fight throughout the race (BACKO has fallen into his typical lone ranger goes banzai role in front), thoroughly enjoyed it. After Kerr and Jonzo had a little get together (was running in P4 at the time because I knew guys in front of me had much worse tyres situtation and I could easily match their pace, hence taking it easy and wait for the inevitable Kerr-Jonzo ballet) I've squeezed by only to had a near-spin since I wanted to create some time cushion (Kerr was obviously in deeeeep s**t as per tyres go while Jonzo was unable to pass Lambo on the straights. MC12 neeeeeeeds that top speed. Desperately. Was expecting Kerr's tyre problems in 2nd stint as well and was right.). After near-spin I fell back to P4 which created some problems and lost me any chance of winning the race since both Jonzo and I were stuck (again) behind Brian while BACKO was building up a gap (although I think he had few terrible laps before the pits).

When BACKO pitted I had a 1 minute 21 seconds lead which gave me a huge grin on my face (I knew pitstop will rob me of some 75 seconds, no more), but then I went into mad scientist mode (experiment failed). Lost 3-4 seconds per lap in last 3 laps of first stint (traffic and worn tyres, should have pitted lap after BACKO did) AND I chose medium-medium tyres. Madness. Not only the nature of the car changed (most practice done on med-med but at different tyre pressue and track temps, I was an idiot, took me good 10 laps to adapt to med-hard in first stint anyway, then went back to adapt to med-med again, moron!!!) so I had to take it easy and I also had a problem with rear tyres temperature. I could do low 1.54s but no more or my rears would go berserk (and even at that pace rears were running at 100+ degrees), hence chasing BACKO was out of the question. Keeping the distance at some 6 seconds - yes, catching up - no. Pity, medium-hard enabled me to go below 1.54 easily, would have been awesome racing in last few laps. Perhaps next time.

Anyway, with Brian close on my tail I stuck my head down, kept the pace and rhythm (knew his tyres were no good after 8-9 laps or so) and voila, P2. Not bad. Could be better (perfect race execution would give me a victory with some 15 seconds to spare IMHO), could be worse (but still, am getting annoyed with this P2 subscription of mine ;D ::) )

Had few scary moments with backmarkers (no one's fault really, almost collected a Gillette at one time, he stayed off line at the back straight (letting Kerr and Jonzo by) only to swerve back to racing line at braking point... scary stuff since I was already there, a pure miracle I've missed him, tyres on the grass and everything  ;D. Mental note: flash headlights while getting on their tail and not to say "thank you" after the pass  ;D ::))

Half way through the championship the race is on. BACKO gained consistency and is now an official Championship contender (10 points P1-P3 is nothing), Brian and I are both in "I hope he cocks up this time" mode or we'll be going into last race with Finish puukko knifes between our teeth.   ;D

Thanks to all Vertigo/Viper drivers, you guys gave me some thoroughly enjoyable moments watching your racing before catching you up. Cool stuff. ;)  8)

Thanks for the race gents. We rule.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Jeffrey on May 21, 2007, 09:30:17 AM +0100


Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Dubai Enduro Clubmen 20-05-2007/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Jeffrey on May 21, 2007, 09:34:09 AM +0100
Lapchart only can become available when replay is posted, so I had to wait  :).

I now see that you "only" won 4s in the pits Simon. I had 19L left when I pitted in (started with 100 as well) and filled it up to 80L and I finished with 6 left or something. So indeed my drivingstyle is a bit harder on fuel, but what use is fuel after the finish, let it burn  :devil:.

The C5R is by far not the slowest GT1 car. Especially for endurance events it's pretty good. It has proven it's worth at Simracing.nl where it even won a race and always was near or in the top 5. Without the ballast pack, the Viper, Lister and Mc12 are worst.

I was also surprised to see a GT3 and G3 class.

Grats to the winners, well done, good times!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: EdamSpeed on May 21, 2007, 10:34:49 AM +0100
"Interesting" race for me!

I managed to get a grand total of 15 minutes of practice at this track, so I at least knew where some of the corners were! Took probably the slowest car overall here - the BMW Z. It was a last minute choice, as foolishly I had been practicing with the Saleen, thinking it was the masters' race this week ;D :o

So, got a setup that I could drive, and just trundled around. Sorry if I got in anyone's way - was trying my hardest to move offline, but sometimes the GT1 cars came up so fast, and in tricky areas (like turns 2-5 where you're weaving around a lot), it was difficult, and I admit to throwing myself off track just to get out of the way!

I noticed the BMW Z was quite easy on tyres and fuel, so I just stuck a load of fuel in and medium tyres, and it lasted the WHOLE race :) Made up a couple of places due to that.

Had a little dice with Pseuueuedo - nice driving mate, hope I didn't hold you up too much or you got frustrated  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 21, 2007, 11:55:39 AM +0100
I admit to throwing myself off track just to get out of the way!

I did notice your propensity towards exploring the run off areas. :laugh:

I noticed the BMW Z was quite easy on tyres and fuel, so I just stuck a load of fuel in and medium tyres, and it lasted the WHOLE race :) Made up a couple of places due to that.

You mean you didn't make your mandatory stop? :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Mark J on May 21, 2007, 01:17:42 PM +0100
Quote
You mean you didn't make your mandatory stop? :o

D'oh !....busted Edam  ::) ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Munkez on May 21, 2007, 01:45:13 PM +0100
Enjoyed that! had some entertaining battles, firstly with Truetom and diced a little with Mo on the couple of occasions that I caught you!
Truetom, hope you didn't mind me NOT passing you  :angel: when you ran wide letting a GT1 car through, spent a wee while chasing you down and didn't want to pass in such an uncontested way! (we both lost a tiny amount of time with the confusion i probably caused flashing my lights to let you stay in front, but the battle after for the 3/4 laps was well worth it!!  ;D )





Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 21, 2007, 01:51:15 PM +0100
I now see that you "only" won 4s in the pits Simon. I had 19L left when I pitted in (started with 100 as well) and filled it up to 80L and I finished with 6 left or something. So indeed my drivingstyle is a bit harder on fuel, but what use is fuel after the finish, let it burn  :devil:.

Yes sounds about right Jeff.

The other theory on the fuel is, if it ain't in the car it ain't slowing you down. ;D

The C5R is by far not the slowest GT1 car. Especially for endurance events it's pretty good. It has proven it's worth at Simracing.nl where it even won a race and always was near or in the top 5. Without the ballast pack, the Viper, Lister and Mc12 are worst.

True, I'd forgotten about the Lister especially as no one takes it. Presumably due to it's awful engine sounding like driving a 2W hair dryer.

I think the Viper is faster than the Vette in non ballasted mode though and you can win in anything m8 so  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Truetom on May 21, 2007, 02:47:05 PM +0100
Enjoyed that! had some entertaining battles, firstly with Truetom and diced a little with Mo on the couple of occasions that I caught you!
Truetom, hope you didn't mind me NOT passing you  :angel: when you ran wide letting a GT1 car through, spent a wee while chasing you down and didn't want to pass in such an uncontested way! (we both lost a tiny amount of time with the confusion i probably caused flashing my lights to let you stay in front, but the battle after for the 3/4 laps was well worth it!!  ;D )

I agree; Munkez, I just didn't know where you were exactly - didn't want to accidentaly hit you or GT1 car. Besides, I would be fun even if I chased you around for a change.  ;D  Good driving.  8)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: EdamSpeed on May 21, 2007, 04:54:23 PM +0100
Quote
You mean you didn't make your mandatory stop? :o

D'oh !....busted Edam  ::) ;D


Oooooooops! I totally forgot about that  ??? :o ;D

*makes mental note to go read up on the rules again*


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: psuedo on May 21, 2007, 05:50:30 PM +0100
Sorry Jure, That was me in the vertigo.    Problem was before the race I changed the PLR settings so I could have a wider angle view for re-joining the track (expecting to be doing it alot  ;)). Unfortunately though doing that meant when I tried to look in my mirrors I got a lovely view of Dubai Market  ::).
I was using the 'look behind' button and in the above near miss, I had a quick glance and saw a couple of cars rocketing up so I stayed right and let them pass...Didn't realise there was a third untill I heard the roaring engine, squeeling brakes and lots of swearing  :) 

I will be changing my PLR settings again before the next race..(or maybe if I drive backwards I'll have a better view...and probably be faster....hmmmmm)

Sorry again, hope I diddn't hold you up too much or spoil anything for you...or anybody else.

 ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Kerr on May 21, 2007, 06:24:24 PM +0100
I'm still trying to work out where it has all gone wrong for me.

I would not say my driving style is overly aggressive or heavy on the tyres but mine always seem to go first. I was positive after plenty of offline testing I was going to OK this time, but the extra heat ruined that.

 Watching Backo the first number of laps his back end was swinging around and I was confident his tyres would not last, yet they did. I thought I was very stable yet mine went much quicker.

 During my offline practice my strategy was giving pit times of 52-54secs yet in race it was 63secs. I can only assume it was to repair damage but I did not think it was that much and I was so confident of my strategy I was able to hit he enter button as soon as car stopped, so never noticed repair time.

 Even after my tyres lose performance the car is still very stable but just lacks grip and I end up with huge lap time loss. I'm going to need to get to the bottom of this and work out why.

 It seems the top guys tend to lose only about 1 second between qualifying and race set up's then during the race they don't have the same performance drop off as me.

 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Jeffrey on May 21, 2007, 06:42:14 PM +0100
The Lambo has the worst tyremanagement. It eats them for breakfast. The F550 is much MUCh better on the tyres, so that is one point you lose in the Lambo.

It's also important to know which tyres go. For me it's 9 out of 10 times the fronts. So swinging the back out all the times won't say too much IMO.

One thing that can kill your fronts is oversteering them front wheels. Try reducing steering lock to get more gentle, or use the throttle more for cornering if it's the fronts that die. If it's the rears you can increase the diff (slow corners) or rear wing (fast corners).

Also keep an eye on the tyrepressure, optimum is 200 kPa (90-95 degrees).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Kerr on May 21, 2007, 06:46:59 PM +0100
The Lambo has the worst tyremanagement. It eats them for breakfast. The F550 is much MUCh better on the tyres, so that is one point you lose in the Lambo.

It's also important to know which tyres go. For me it's 9 out of 10 times the fronts. So swinging the back out all the times won't say too much IMO.

One thing that can kill your fronts is oversteering them front wheels. Try reducing steering lock to get more gentle, or use the throttle more for cornering if it's the fronts that die. If it's the rears you can increase the diff (slow corners) or rear wing (fast corners).

Also keep an eye on the tyrepressure, optimum is 200 kPa (90-95 degrees).

There is a separate note in the sharks site Ruskus and even my set up if you want a look and see what the story is.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Jure on May 21, 2007, 07:10:14 PM +0100
I don't know about Backos setup but my F550s rear end was all over the place in first few laps too. Reason is simple, medium fronts, hard rears, takes time to heat them up (sometimes I even try to burn them on purpose to put in that extra heat asap. Risky but efective.).

Kerr, IMHO Your fronts die very fast cause you brake very late and then turn in very fast, Alonso style, watched you drive yesterday, you're agressive and (thinking out loud now) on not enough throttle when turning in so u get understeer and abuse outside front tyre.

Besides, I have no idea why you all state Lambo eats tyres, F550 is much worse imho, at least in endurance racing. Well, at least that's my experience so far. Remember my Silverstone setup Rusky? No tyre problem there, right? ;)

psuedo, no worries. Just use the trick I've implemented some time ago, tweak sound options so you can hear other cars much sooner, helps a lot (on headphones you know exactly where they are). ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Clubmen - Dubai (GP) - May 20
Post by: Kerr on May 21, 2007, 07:20:14 PM +0100
I don't know about Backos setup but my F550s rear end was all over the place in first few laps too. Reason is simple, medium fronts, hard rears, takes time to heat them up (sometimes I even try to burn them on purpose to put in that extra heat asap. Risky but efective.).

Kerr, IMHO Your fronts die very fast cause you brake very late and then turn in very fast, Alonso style, watched you drive yesterday, you're agressive and (thinking out loud now) on not enough throttle when turning in so u get understeer and abuse outside front tyre.

Besides, I have no idea why you all state Lambo eats tyres, F550 is much worse imho, at least in endurance racing. Well, at least that's my experience so far. Remember my Silverstone setup Rusky? No tyre problem there, right? ;)

psuedo, no worries. Just use the trick I've implemented some time ago, tweak sound options so you can hear other cars much sooner, helps a lot (on headphones you know exactly where they are). ;)

I do break late but did you ever once see a lock up? I very rarely do.

The Lambo does dive in very quickly regardless of driving style. My set up that I used last night only starts to suffer understeer a bit once the tyres are gone. Other than that it's very solid.

I'm just wondering how much my set up influences wear over my driving style