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Title: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 09, 2007, 09:54:13 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:25(10 mins)reserves may join too when Practice 2 is shown in lobby
Qual 2:20:35(20 mins)
Race:20:55(40 minutes)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.3 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)).
Weather: Dry
Track: Dubai GP
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR GT2 GTC
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=355) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=49)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only one free changes of car in each series.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must selecte ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyones' connections will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 09, 2007, 09:54:45 AM +0100
If numbers are shrinking I might just have a bash in the Vertislow...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Reign Man on May 09, 2007, 01:28:10 PM +0100
If numbers are shrinking I might just have a bash in the Vertislow...

Yes Dave. Join the Dark side. The only side that counts. muhwahahah! :devil:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Adam Parle on May 09, 2007, 01:44:16 PM +0100
If numbers are shrinking I might just have a bash in the Vertislow...

Yes Dave. Join the Dark side. The only side that counts. muhwahahah! :devil:

If I'm about and numbers are down I'll bring the Vertigo to play.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Zacari on May 09, 2007, 10:49:15 PM +0100
I might pop in too especially if there's a sizable Vertigo field ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Truetom on May 10, 2007, 07:12:37 AM +0100
What is it with this Vertigoslowblow?  ???

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: picnic on May 10, 2007, 07:55:12 AM +0100
What's happened to the Morgan underground  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Adam Parle on May 10, 2007, 09:47:43 AM +0100
What is it with this Vertigoslowblow?  ???

TT

I'm driving one in the Endurance - so it save me messing around with more setups.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 10, 2007, 11:47:53 AM +0100
What's happened to the Morgan underground  :-\

Gone deep, deep underground now. Bit disappointed that the Leg-end boys can't adapt to more than one car but I'll continue to drive it (I can drive a number of cars to the same standard ;)). Although getting beat by a few vertigo's may change my mind.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Adam Parle on May 10, 2007, 12:39:45 PM +0100
What's happened to the Morgan underground  :-\

Gone deep, deep underground now. Bit disappointed that the Leg-end boys can't adapt to more than one car but I'll continue to drive it (I can drive a number of cars to the same standard ;)). Although getting beat by a few vertigo's may change my mind.

I used to drive the Morgan when I started at SRouk (or should that be I tried!?!) and I'd quite happily take it again.  I just don't have the time to set up another car after running the GT1 sprint, then the Vertigo in the Enduro.  If I had a decent setup already I'd be more that happy to jump into a Morgan, but as it's not even decided whether I'll be around or not it's a moot point.  (Or should that be a moo-point, it's like a cow's oppinion - it doens't matter ;D)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Reign Man on May 10, 2007, 02:11:32 PM +0100
What's happened to the Morgan underground  :-\

Gone deep, deep underground now. Bit disappointed that the Leg-end boys can't adapt to more than one car but I'll continue to drive it (I can drive a number of cars to the same standard ;)). Although getting beat by a few vertigo's may change my mind.


Leg-end boys!! Who do you mean by that  :P

I have stuck with the TVR because I just want to be faithful to one car, and sides apart from Don no one else is a TVR regular. And for the record, I am consistantly at least half a second faster in the Mosler, I can match match my pace in the Morgan and as for the 350Z erm.. well I'm about a second down.

I Just want to make sure GTC get some proper love! :laugh:



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: ChOnG on May 10, 2007, 08:49:59 PM +0100
Just got rid of my Logitech MOMO racing and bought myself a G25 so trying to get used to manual clutch at the moment. Might have to change back to normal for the race untill im used to this because its abit of a nightmare for someone who dosent even have a drivers license lol :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Mr.BMW on May 14, 2007, 09:22:05 PM +0100
I MIGHT be able to make my GTR2 debut with this race, if you'll take commoneers for this race, that is.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Jeffrey on May 14, 2007, 09:43:48 PM +0100
I MIGHT be able to make my GTR2 debut with this race, if you'll take commoneers for this race, that is.

I think you are a reserve then, in that case this is important:

Practice 2:   20:25   (10 mins)   reserves may join too when Practice 2 is shown in lobby

See you on track  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: psuedo on May 14, 2007, 10:09:35 PM +0100
I've not registered for the sprint series.....but if there is likely to be any space (at the back) on the grid, I would love a run out ?????????????


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 14, 2007, 10:39:41 PM +0100
I've not registered for the sprint series.....but if there is likely to be any space (at the back) on the grid, I would love a run out ?????????????

I'm hoping so as I'd like to give the Vertigo a run. I think there were only 20 drivers at the last event so that's 6 or 8 spots free.

Of course, we don't know for sure that we'll have the server back in time tomorrow evening... Fingers crossed...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 14, 2007, 10:46:53 PM +0100
Bit disappointed by the lack of imagination shown in picking the vertigo ;). Its getting a bit common now.

I've got a tough choice between RSR (even more plebeian) and the mighty Morgan now I'm a full timer. Anyone else walking on the wild side with the wooden wonder? To be honest, can't drive it as fast the vertislow (don't want to hear how others can drive it fast :P) so no other Morgans=a boring choice for me. 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: picnic on May 14, 2007, 10:50:12 PM +0100
I've not done any Morgan practice but I'll be there with the Team Shark one if I get in.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: psuedo on May 14, 2007, 11:02:57 PM +0100
Ok dave thanks....I will have a look tomorrow and see..

The way it looks at the moment, you could start a seperate VERTIGO league on it's own..... ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Mr.BMW on May 15, 2007, 07:33:02 AM +0100
won't be able to make it, the old ball and chain has my time tommorow :/ Maybe next time.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Truetom on May 15, 2007, 09:26:28 AM +0100
Any news about server availability for tonight?  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: picnic on May 15, 2007, 09:29:23 AM +0100
Not yet, we will post something when we know something definite.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Paul968 on May 15, 2007, 09:34:02 AM +0100
Hi Pete
   It would be useful to have an idea of the likelyhood of the race going ahead. Have you been told whether the PSU is expected to be replaced today or are you completely in the dark?

cheers

Paul


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: picnic on May 15, 2007, 09:38:27 AM +0100
I've not heard anything since they said they were planning to order a new PSU yesterday, expecting delivery and fitment today. I was planning to ask late morning for an update if it was not back online.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Paul968 on May 15, 2007, 09:58:03 AM +0100
OK, thx  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 15, 2007, 03:41:25 PM +0100
Still no concrete news on the server - if we haven't heard by 17:00 then we'll postpone the race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 15
Post by: picnic on May 15, 2007, 04:08:02 PM +0100
Sorry there will be no race tonight :(

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3082.msg50197#msg50197


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 15, 2007, 04:53:26 PM +0100
Now rescheduled for the 22nd. Let's hope we get the server back before the weekend!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 15, 2007, 05:07:38 PM +0100
And there are no other server options? Nobody has a strong enough 2nd PC to run such a thing?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: picnic on May 15, 2007, 05:30:46 PM +0100
It's a question of bandwidth Ruskus. We rent an anonymous box, I just know the spec but not who makes it or exactly where is even lives! Docklands area but that's the best I can tell you. I couldn't even get there before tonights race if I could access it and had suitable bits ;)

Server rental in these parts is not cheap, you can easily pay well over 100 quid a month and I've seen people charging over 200 for our spec server. Sadly one of the downsides of saving money is the backup resources aren't as good, doesn't excuse the lack of feedback but does mean spares are not as readily available :(



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 15, 2007, 05:48:03 PM +0100
Maybe I can host, this is my bandwidth:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/126503103.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/126503596.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Mr.BMW on May 15, 2007, 05:59:56 PM +0100
Nice DSL connection.

Unfortunately I would have to say your upstream is to low for a decent server, you might get away with an 8 person server, but even still it might be laggy.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 15, 2007, 06:34:21 PM +0100
Is the lobby now down as well?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: picnic on May 15, 2007, 06:35:06 PM +0100
I'd expect more than 8, we max out at about 2Mbs upload on the server.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Truetom on May 15, 2007, 06:46:51 PM +0100
Why don't we try it? I'm up for some action. My fellow Legends are having a GTL training.  :yawn: :sleep1:

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 15, 2007, 06:56:07 PM +0100
Why don't we try it? I'm up for some action. My fellow Legends are having a GTL training.  :yawn: :sleep1:

TT

If I host I can't race (same riga) and more important...lobby is down >:(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 15, 2007, 07:13:10 PM +0100
If I host I can't race (same riga) and more important...lobby is down >:(

Surely you can race if you host in-game instead of using a dedi server? I think that allows you to give yourself a nice fat weight penalty as well... ;) :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 15, 2007, 07:18:39 PM +0100
If I host I can't race (same riga) and more important...lobby is down >:(

Surely you can race if you host in-game instead of using a dedi server? I think that allows you to give yourself a nice fat weight penalty as well... ;) :P

 :) Isn't dedi better than in-game, freeing up more bandwidth or something. but that weightpenalty won't give the lobby back  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 15, 2007, 07:25:50 PM +0100
If numbers are shrinking I might just have a bash in the Vertislow...

You realise the Vertigo is faster than the 350Z even without the ballast changes, with the ballast changes the 350Z is almost into the GT3 class. I tried it with large amounts of time setting it up and nothing I could do could get it near my Vertigo time.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 15, 2007, 07:29:43 PM +0100
:) Isn't dedi better than in-game, freeing up more bandwidth or something. but that weightpenalty won't give the lobby back  ;)

1Mb upload will give you about 11 or 12 players.

If you have a separate PC then it's much better to run the dedicated server otherwise if you host in game the PC has to process your gameplay and hosting at the same time.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Paul968 on May 15, 2007, 07:53:31 PM +0100
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You realise the Vertigo is faster than the 350Z even without the ballast changes

I'm faster in the Vertigo than pretty much all the GTC cars, and in race trim I certainly am. Never quite got a 59 but missed one with a c**p final corner. Not sure it would be good in a race with other GTCs though as the long straights would make it a sitting duck.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 15, 2007, 08:11:06 PM +0100
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You realise the Vertigo is faster than the 350Z even without the ballast changes

I'm faster in the Vertigo than pretty much all the GTC cars, and in race trim I certainly am. Never quite got a 59 but missed one with a c**p final corner. Not sure it would be good in a race with other GTCs though as the long straights would make it a sitting duck.

The 350Z has a specific problem regarding its incurable understeer (something which I find especially puzzling as it's absent from the road car ???).

The Vertigo is certainly quick in the right hands, especially in Dubai despite those long straights, but in a race almost any GTC car should be able to stay ahead if it can get ahead because it can neutralise the Gillet's handling advantage by eeking out a gap on the straights. Dubai is a bit of a funny track because of all the complex corners which gives the Vertigo some breathing space if it's ahead of a heavier car.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 15, 2007, 09:24:33 PM +0100
The 350Z has a specific problem regarding its incurable understeer (something which I find especially puzzling as it's absent from the road car ???).

Yes I agree, there is something simply wrong with the 350Z in game. As you say no matter what bizarre setups I tried I could not get it to go round that 4/5th gear right hander near the start without lifting off. I put massive stiffeness in the rear and it just didn't make a blind bit of difference. Very odd.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Mr.BMW on May 16, 2007, 12:06:33 AM +0100
funny, I watched a video on ebaumsworld or break.com where a 350Z smashed into a tree.

The video's poster claimed it was due to understeer.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 16, 2007, 07:52:04 AM +0100
funny, I watched a video on ebaumsworld or break.com where a 350Z smashed into a tree.

The video's poster claimed it was due to understeer.

 :o More likely due to stupidity. :D ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 16, 2007, 08:45:34 AM +0100
Perhaps the tree moved at the last moment?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: mo on May 16, 2007, 09:47:28 AM +0100
I did a few laps in the 350z last night and yes it does have some nasty understeeeeeeeeer. The front end is lifeless and feels that there is no weight over it.
Still, after a bit of tweaking the car can do low to mid 2'01 laps in race trim so I was fairly impressed tbh. Seems to me that the shocks are too stiff to allow weight transfer over the front wheels when slowing for corners, or going over crests etc.
On the other hand, on corner exit  there are no problems and it can get the power down and turn in much earlier than the GT3.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Mark J on May 16, 2007, 11:39:53 AM +0100
See thats why you alien types should take the more diverse cars ! You can still coax great times out of them and enjoy battles up front of the pack and it gives the grid greater variety. 8)
Ruskus drives all sorts of crap in GTL and still whups us  ::)

I used to enjoy fighting shark in his morgan or mosler back in GTR1 days but if i had tried racing in the same car i would be too un-competitive.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Paul968 on May 16, 2007, 02:40:44 PM +0100
I don't understand? One of the prime advantages of a 911 is that it can get the power down very early (because of the engine at the wrong end  :P).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: mo on May 16, 2007, 02:46:45 PM +0100
From a standing start that's true, but when accelerating while still cornering the Datsun  ;) is much better than the GT3. I think that the back is more likely to swing out with the engine at the very back like the porker.
Having never driven the 350 I was impressed and found it fun to drive once I got a bit of oversteer into it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: LEUVEN on May 16, 2007, 05:35:28 PM +0100
From a standing start that's true, but when accelerating while still cornering the Datsun  ;) is much better than the GT3. I think that the back is more likely to swing out with the engine at the very back like the porker.
Having never driven the 350 I was impressed and found it fun to drive once I got a bit of oversteer into it.

 :o

I can't beleive you actually like it. :o :laugh:
I drove the 350 yesterday for the first time since the race we had at Oschers B a few months ago and I cant recall it ever feeling as bad as it did yesterday but my god it was horrible to drive, even though it is faster than the vertigo it was nowhere near as much fun for me.

I'm not sure I'd drive one in GTR2 if I owned one in real life, so Dave must have a lot of patience. 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Mr.BMW on May 16, 2007, 06:38:43 PM +0100
Perhaps the tree moved at the last moment?

See for yourself :D

http://www.break.com/index/treecar5.html (http://www.break.com/index/treecar5.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 16, 2007, 10:43:06 PM +0100

Ruskus drives all sorts of crap in GTL and still whups us  ::)


Thanks for the compliment, but I can't remember winning a GTL race recently  ;D.

I do drive "crappy" cars in GTR2 (Viper and C5R) but they are made (kinda) even with the weightpack.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Truetom on May 17, 2007, 09:48:51 AM +0100
No matter what you all say I'm still gonna drive RSR in Dubai.  :-*

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Mark J on May 17, 2007, 11:16:31 AM +0100
I bet all those Porsche GT drivers were quaking in their boots when the Z made an appearance in the Brit GT series ::)

I actually like the 350z, it and the classic 'Z's like the 240z are just about the only Japanese car i like....just nowhere near as much as a Porsche  8)
Would still be cool to see a few more of them on track, both real and virtual. :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Truetom on May 17, 2007, 04:41:04 PM +0100
I thought it was in the eye of the beerholder. :wetfish:

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Fred Joseph on May 21, 2007, 10:04:54 PM +0100
I'll be back finally !

My new rig is now fully online, and I can run more than 100 fps all option maxed out, I can't believe it  ;D

I only had some slowings in the stretch at Spa with 60 AI drivers with 100% rain  :laugh: :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 22, 2007, 12:05:05 AM +0100
Given that these GT2 Sprint races have become an RSRs only event I'm going back to the TVR to have some GTC class fun and I'll leave the GT2s to the Masters Endurance where I'll get the Ferrari 360 out again. :-*

It'll be nice racing 4 different classes (GT1 Sprint, GTC Sprint, GT2 Endurance, G3 Endurance), gives me lots of variety. 8) 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Mark J on May 22, 2007, 10:11:36 AM +0100
Blimey, we will have more people racing GTC than any other class soon  :o
Great to see a good variety on track, though i still think its a shame so many use the RSR just because it grabs them points as opposed to us genuine Porsche racing lovers :wub:

Does the lower spec RS fall into GT2 or GTC class?

Tried the morgan out last night and thought it was good fun around Dubai, but could only manage 2:03's in it. Love that V8 burble though  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 22, 2007, 10:47:43 AM +0100
I'll be in the mighty morgan, no clue what class its in. After much testing its proved slow, tricky, bouncy but much more fun than the rsr :).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Eddie Meyer on May 22, 2007, 11:08:46 AM +0100
Love that V8 burble though  8)

I found the V8 soundpack, thanks for the info  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 22, 2007, 11:22:35 AM +0100
Does the lower spec RS fall into GT2 or GTC class?

See topic HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2874.msg46541#msg46541).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Truetom on May 22, 2007, 12:01:53 PM +0100
Does the lower spec RS fall into GT2 or GTC class?

See topic HERE (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2874.msg46541#msg46541).

I'm confused: your link, Shark, points to the post where the cars Porsche GT3 Cup, BMW Z3M and Chrysler Viper CC are stated in the same class - GT3.  Results for S5E Clubmen (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=362) state Viper CC as a G3 class.  ???   While Viper CC is surely faster it would be clear what is what.  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 22, 2007, 12:23:55 PM +0100
Yeah I know, which is presumably why we were confused to find the ViperCC and Cup in different classes at the race at the weekend.

That's the latest list that I know about, perhaps Gizmo can produce a fresh list or correct that one?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 22, 2007, 01:28:54 PM +0100
That's the latest list that I know about, perhaps Gizmo can produce a fresh list or correct that one?

The Viper is supposed to be GT3 I think but I'm too tired, overworked and apathetic to care right now. Does somebody want to work out which events in Season 5 it's in the wrong class in the results and when I'm more awake I'll fix it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: linco24 on May 22, 2007, 02:35:03 PM +0100
Looking forward to this tonight, though i can't get good times at all. I'll hope for some points and a good race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Aagramn on May 22, 2007, 02:55:00 PM +0100
Don't think I'll be able to make this one, my PC is on the blink.  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Truetom on May 22, 2007, 03:31:47 PM +0100
That's the latest list that I know about, perhaps Gizmo can produce a fresh list or correct that one?

The Viper is supposed to be GT3 I think but I'm too tired, overworked and apathetic to care right now. Does somebody want to work out which events in Season 5 it's in the wrong class in the results and when I'm more awake I'll fix it.

If that's the reason then it's cool with me. I admire you Dave (and other mods), how you find the time and will to do all this. Me - I only drive and even that is too much sometimes. Glad to have ya.  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 22, 2007, 03:45:39 PM +0100
That's the latest list that I know about, perhaps Gizmo can produce a fresh list or correct that one?

The Viper is supposed to be GT3 I think but I'm too tired, overworked and apathetic to care right now. Does somebody want to work out which events in Season 5 it's in the wrong class in the results and when I'm more awake I'll fix it.

Endurance Clubmen:

https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=364
https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=362

Endurance Masters

None


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 22, 2007, 06:29:09 PM +0100
Thanks Ruskus, all fixed now, was just pointing to the wrong mapping - not surprising as I had accidently put the word 'Elise' in front of the car's name! :-[ :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Splintheter on May 22, 2007, 06:44:23 PM +0100
As TT has just pointed out, thanks to all you guys working hard in the background. Its because of you, people like me can turn up and have a great race.  ;D

If there is space tonight, I intend to race.

Ant



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Madd-RIP on May 22, 2007, 06:47:04 PM +0100
 ::) How slow is slow Ginsters??   ;D, I'm hoping to be there too in the Morgan.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 22, 2007, 07:41:37 PM +0100
I ain't going to embarrass myself in public rip ;). I'm guessing you and picnic (and Eddie might make a guess appearance) will have someone to race. Should be fun at the back.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Splintheter on May 22, 2007, 07:46:12 PM +0100
If theres space, im sure ill try my best to hang back with you ginsters  ;D ;) ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: pribeiro on May 22, 2007, 09:13:53 PM +0100
I am very sorry Colin :-[
I had a slighty hope that internet work that my daughter need
to do, wouldnt interfeer with my connection....i was wrong :censored:
Simon warning me as i was warping, gave me the bad new :helpsmilie:
Sometimes, dont interfear, other times does, this time did it :surrender:

I am very sad for you Colin, forgive me :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 22, 2007, 09:28:56 PM +0100
Shame that. Having a real blast Picnic, such a little touch and I'm wrecked. That plywood isn't as strong as you think. Until next time :).

Edit-sorry Picnic you were nowhere near me :angel:. It was Bernie, but the same applies and no worries mate. Just a shame I couldn't carry on and continue our fight :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: psuedo on May 22, 2007, 09:38:15 PM +0100
my apologies too to any one I interfered with out there....suffering bad graphic probs.

(Mental note:   TURN OFF AUTO UPDATES WHEN RACING  ???)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Paul Richards on May 22, 2007, 09:51:26 PM +0100
An eventful debut with my new team! Qualifying wasn't great over a second off my PB but started 7th. Congrats to Mo for his pole!

Race went ok opted for Soft fronts and was continuously locking them up at the start battling with Baracus and MJ. Baracus got passed then had a spin Mark then had an off which put me in 6th. Chasing Backo but then with about 15 mins left tyres went off badly and I fell back from him. Towards the end Brian had a spin and I got passed. I then had 3 laps I think to try and hold him off. Front was all over the place so apologies Brian if it was a bit erractic! Had a good dice but he got me on the last lap. Happy with 6th overall and my first ever race in the RSR.

Congrat to the Podium and thanks to mo for making me feel so welcome.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 22, 2007, 09:58:55 PM +0100
Kinda od mixed feelings for me.

In the first lap I was trying to learn Mo's lines, and braking zones.

But in the 2nd lap I miscalulated something I couldn't see in lap 1. In the twisty bits in sector 1, Mo lifted just at the moment I was back on throttle again and we swapped paint. Luckily nothing major happened, but we were so close to eachother that there was no room for surprises.

Then we had some great battles. There was nowhere I could pass him, untill he got a less exit after the tiwsty sector 1 and I was on his inside just before the back straight. There was contact and for soem weird reason Mo's car flew away like he was hit by a truck  :-\.
I didn't know what happened at that time so I just pulled over to wait for him, giving away a place to a M3.

Was hard trying to overtake that Beamer, had to have a good exit or else it was impossible. In the end he got a bad start going on the back straight and I was alongside on the straight. We both braked hard but he overshot a bit, so I turned in hard and took the inside and frontside :).

Then I was behind Mo again, as he was hunting Bryan Kerr. There was a 3 Porka train for a long time untill the god close racing took his toll, and I could benefit from it.

Leuven was too far infront to catch him again, as he had no reason to push hard anymore I could decrease the gap a bit, but nothing more. Grats m8, and also grats to Simon for the GTC win.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Nevski on May 22, 2007, 09:59:13 PM +0100
Bit of a messy race for me.  :-\

Didn't really hook it together well in qually, and Simon duly punished me by stealing GTC pole in his TVR. I then spent the whole race trying to get past him, but Simon drove a very white shark wide car, well. Early on, Anthony's M3 managed to get in a sandwich between Simon's TVR and my Mosler, and I gave him a nudge in one of the hairpins. Sorry Anthony - I didn't wait because we weren't racing in the same class.

I eventually clawed my way back to Simon, only to have an RSR which fell off the track early on come up and repass me, then get sandwiched again between me and Simon.  :-X  Late in the race I eventually got close to the TVR's rear bumper again, but I just didn't have quite enough speed on the straights to pick up a proper draft, and ended up going for a dive down the inside in the end of lap complex, which Simon parried well with the side of his car  :surrender:

Good racing Simon - not sure if the TVR is actually quicker over a single lap here than the Mosler, but track position was all you needed.  ;)

Congrats to Leuven on a good win in GT2, and thanks to the Morgan and Vertigo brigade for coming along to fill the GTC ranks.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: picnic on May 22, 2007, 09:59:41 PM +0100
Shame that. Having a real blast Picnic, such a little touch and I'm wrecked. That plywood isn't as strong as you think. Until next time :).

Not me this time SbG, I spun out a lap or 2 before that. I saw the tail end of your rolling though ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Kerr on May 22, 2007, 10:02:38 PM +0100
To say that was tough and exciting is an under statement. After my first serious race at Estoril the other week in GT2 I fancied another go tonight.

First time I tried the Porsche here was about 30 minutes before race. Car felt very secure and solid except turn (I think) 6 where the back came around which actually helped take the corner quicker.

Was amazed at qualifying 4th and was expecting to get trounced in the race. I could hold onto the leaders not too bad actually and was gifted 2nd place. Held it for a while and tried to make sure Leuven was not going to have an easy day of it. Pushed as hard as I could and was holding him none too badly. Mo and Ruskus were a consistent 3 seconds behind and not making much if any ground.(Just thought I would add that because I doubt I will get the chance again).

 As usual the tyres began to loose grip and Leuven eased away and I had Mo and Ruskus superglued to my bumper. I was struggling with car but no chance was I giving the place up.

 Unfortunately 3 cars into one bend does not fit and a small racing accident took place, but sportingly I was offered position ahead. Stayed to the inside of main straight and corner 1, wallop, around again, how frustrating.

 Found myself attempting to over drive out of frustration and lost it myself.

Ended up in another great scrap with Paul Richards only to pip him for 5th place on the last lap.

Probably the most exciting incident packed race for me so far.

On a separate note I went with mediums all round and they were actually under temperature tonight. Only 75-79 front and only 193KPA.

I'm confident my setup has plenty of time in it once I spend more than 20-30 minutes on it


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Mark J on May 22, 2007, 10:02:57 PM +0100
Flipping heck that was a cracking race again. This track is superb for great fights with room to manouvre without contact.  8)

Was quite pleased with my evenings efforts:-
Practise 1...pole position
Practise 2...2nd until last sec when baracus nipped me by 4/100ths  (ya swine ;))
Qual...6th - i did a 1:59.2...the 5 aliens in front of me 1:58's !!!  :o
Race finish..7th?

Was upto 5th at one point, but i made one bloody error the whole race and lost two positions to it  :( I just hit the brake pedal a tad too hard at the end of that monster straight and the car swapped ends :'(
Got back upto 6th again after a fantastic race long battle with Baracus  :cheers:

Race was one long fight from start to finish with no let ups whatsoever. Was enjoying a cracking battle with Baracus and P. Richards for about 15 minutes until i lost the back end under braking, allowing P Richards through. The rest of the race was the classic Ferrari v Porsche duel between me and Baracus, swapping places and jinking around each other in the corners...superb!
Unfortunately he lost it at the spoon entry onto the long straight with 10 mins to go and his spinning car came back across track and clumped me as i was at the apex.  :(  I lost about 8 seconds and the car lost about 0.5-1 sec a lap in pace after, probably front right suspension damage, and i had a nervous look in my mirrors a few times to see a fast catching Colin in the shark RSR. But i kept it together and steady to bring it home about 3 secs in front.

Absolutely amazing pace up front, especially by Mo  8)  In all my practise i thought a 1:59.1 was a star time and had stopped trying to beat it when i could do it...then these alien buggers do 1:57's :alien: :surrender:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 22, 2007, 10:03:34 PM +0100
Yeah shame about your warp Pribeiro. Your car on warm-up lap was warping 300 yards at a time :o, unfortunately collecting me down the back straight. Didn't seem to do much damage, car felt normal enough. Tried to type to warn, but typing and driving hard so my spelling was a bit laughable, glad you could work out it was yourself I was talking about. :D

Race was interesting. Managed to get my first class pole position in a while with a really nice lap that was even on par with my TimeTrial time off-line without ballast, just pipping Nev in his Mosler. Had practised a reasonable amount so it certainly paid off. Race was basically an entire 40 minutes chased by Nev very close behind with the occasional RSR making it's way back up the pack. Didn't really want to fend off the RSRs so when they made moves just let them by as they were running a different race. With a couple of laps to go Nev caught me right up again with some stunning work on the brakes and on the 15 apex tight left hander near the end we just touched as Nev broke very late, which knocked me off, but he was kind enough to let me back through again (thanks very sporting!). Wasn't sure about what damage that might cause but in the end I just eeeked enough out to keep ahead and then Nev unfortunately span on the last lap with a few corners to go to give me a much bigger margin than it should have been.

The TVR I knew was slippery down the straights so I didn't bother taking much wing off at all as it just had the edge and that was basically what saved me from the clutches of Nevs Mosler. After some recent engine blow ups in other cars I decided to not rev the car into the red at all and only near the end with a couple to go and Nev right up with me did I thrash the engine to keep ahead. Really enjoyed driving the TVR again, it's such a great handling car and it's did me proud with my first class win in quite a while.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 22, 2007, 10:04:37 PM +0100
Sorry Piccers my dear old thing, see edit above  ::). Gotta say I'm glad I chose the wooden tub even though its a bit delicate. Hope to see the same number next time :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Splintheter on May 22, 2007, 10:05:00 PM +0100
Yup what happened to you picnic? Was enjoying our scrap!!!

Great last 10 laps darren, the gap stayed between 1.8 and 2 seconds the whole time. I was ripping the crap out of that BMW and at the end I kept getting a silly liitle man telling me my tyres were overheating  :P

Bernie, i think I shunted you up the rear end, I am going to watch the replay before apologising too much, but none the less because it was a rear end shunt sorry.

No worries Nevski, thanks for the apology.

All in all one of my best races.

THANKS!!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: picnic on May 22, 2007, 10:12:34 PM +0100
Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Dubai%20-%20GT2%20GTC%20Sprint%20070522.zip) plus provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=355) and Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=49)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: picnic on May 22, 2007, 10:16:25 PM +0100
Pretty poor race for me, no practice before hand and the Morgan one I used, basically my Estoril one, was not too grand. I found understeer city in the fast corners and often a bit too much oversteer out of the slow ones. Mix that in with at least one change down too far and I span 3 times more than in the endurance race on Sunday :(

Only good thing was Leuven didn't lap me  ;D

There were spells of good racing brought too quickly to an end by my spins. I hope to be there for the next one though in the wooden crate again  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Jeffrey on May 22, 2007, 10:18:15 PM +0100

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Dubai GT2-GTC 22-05-2007/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: mo on May 22, 2007, 10:19:59 PM +0100
Tough race indeed, grats to Leuven on a fine drive.

I think driving round here in the cup car on Sunday for 80mins paid off and I found a nice flow in the Porsche. Chuffed with pole in the dying seconds, but it was one of those one in a thousand laps and I knew I'd be under pressure once the lights went green.
Definitely some of the closest racing for a long time in the GT3s 8)

......and for soem weird reason Mo's car flew away like he was hit by a truck  :-\.

Well at least I landed on all 4 wheels, but yes the damage did seem alot more severe than the contact suggested.

So sorry to Brian for tapping you - I hadn't left enough room for manouver and couldn't react in time when you slowed :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Kerr on May 22, 2007, 10:23:14 PM +0100


So sorry to Brian for tapping you - I hadn't left enough room for manouver and couldn't react in time when you slowed :-[

Racing incident and you were sporting enough to apologise and let me rejoin before you.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: linco24 on May 22, 2007, 10:30:16 PM +0100
Didnt think i'd go well in GT2 here, but what do ya know!

Was off the pace up to qualifying then I found some extra time. Was pleased with 9th in the end. Had a decent start until I got spun at the end of the long straight which knocked me back to 14th. Drove the pants off the RSR on mediums, and a set-up tweaked from Estoril, and managed to get back to 9th. Was making small progress on Mark near the end but he seemed to find a bit of extra pace in the closing laps.

Good race everyone and congrats to the top boys!

Colin


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Madd-RIP on May 22, 2007, 11:21:41 PM +0100
 :( A very poor race for me, sorry Darren, hope I didn't compromise your race. Slow quali and slow race with awful understeer after incident, one to forget.
Grats to podium though.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: DynoDaz on May 22, 2007, 11:55:02 PM +0100
Don't worry about it Madd.  My car was handling so bad I think you improved it.  Anyway, my race was over before it started.  :P

Definitely one to forget.  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Reign Man on May 23, 2007, 06:55:56 PM +0100
Enjoyable race!

Was battling with Zacari in his Vertigo for virtually the whole race.

Made a silly mistake and went wide within the first couple of laps and lost 4 places, a couple of laps later I was just able to pass Zacari as he was getting back up to speed from what must have an off. Is was a battle from then on, changing positions very often. I had the outright speed on the straights, but Zacari was always able to pass me on the twisty bits.

After around 20 mins I was able to get a little breather as Darren joined us for a bit and separated us. When Darren span/went off, the gap was around 1.5 to 2 seconds, But Zacari was able to close that gap. By this time my tires (Mediums) were going off and I was having to take it easy but I was still able to maintain a good pace and Keep Zacari behind me.

But with 10 mins to go I was really stuggling, I am not good at handling the car with low grip and was having to take it extra easy. With around 5 mins to go I accelerated to early out of a corner and powerslid off the track, letting Zacari by, I was able to get back on track quickly but I was not able to take advantage of the TVR's better speed. I just was not able to get the power down out of the corners early enough to be able to pass him on the straights.

On the last lap I spun, but Zacari would have taken the last GTC podium spot either way. Great Race!  ;D

Seriously thinking about using Hards in the enduro, I'm just not good at the end of the stints.  >:(

See ya at the next one!

Reign Man


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: baracus250gt on May 23, 2007, 07:11:10 PM +0100
There were definately some really interesting moves going on in this race! I really enjoyed it BUT my tyres were already going off at lap 10 and it was a real struggle (to the point that even on the really shallow bends like the one leading into that banked 180 left, it was understeering like a waterski!) - so its a shame as that would have been even more amazing.

I adjusted to it a little, but it was too little too late and with my mistakes there was no way of getting back to the previous action! Oh Well all good fun!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: Reign Man on May 23, 2007, 07:14:22 PM +0100
Oh and one more thing I forgot to mention...

The first championship points for Team Pseudo

Muhwaahahahahaahaaaa!  :devil:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Dubai (GP) - May 22
Post by: psuedo on May 24, 2007, 09:43:45 AM +0100
first of many...... ;) well done reign man...... :-*