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Practice: 20:15 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:30 (20 mins)
Race: 20:50 (30 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Trois-Rivieres (download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27))
Cars allowed: Renault Alpine A110 and Austin Healey 3000
Time of Day Setting: 12:00
Start: Rolling

Server: UKGTL GTC-65 Cup; in the event that the lobby is unavailable, connect using Direct IP, entering games.avonrise.co.uk in the Add IP box
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=332) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7).
(3) General information on the series can be found on the series home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=46).
(4) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.3 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27).

This will be the last event Work prevents me from racing for a month!

Woo hoo! Healey Time!

 >:( Rats, working, I won't be able to race the pimpmobile!

I've read the sporting regulations, downloaded and installed both the skinpack and the circuit, studied a replay for the rolling start procedure (new for me) and assigned a button on my trusty old MS FF-wheel for the pit limiter.
All that's left to do is putting in some laps at Trois-Rivieres and deciding between the Healey and the Alpine as I haven't raced either one yet.
I guess I'm all set for may 17th.  ;)

Cool, very cool. ;)

 :o Great track and cars, hope to be here, as we celebrate national-day this day.

Glad to hear that, thanks for joinning us and good luck :)

Cheers

I've tested both cars on my LAN server to check the track out that it worked ok online and my times were almost identical in the two cars. Didn't spend any time setting up the cars so I'm sure the times will come down from the 1:20s I was doing.

I just love this Renault, and the track, finally feeling I can have fun. IMO the Renault is very good balanced.

The Healey on the other hand is probably faster, but I can't turn it, and it most of the times I spin on exit. Seems it has the worst tires in this game all together.

Looking forward to the 17th.

Nice to see a couple of new drivers posting their intention to race GTL too. Hope thats a sign of things to come as people find their 'classics' racing options limited elsewhere.  8)

I still believe there is quite a following of people wanting to race classic cars online, just look at the amount of real world classics events that have sprung up all over the globe in the last year, its just making them aware of where to find it i guess.

Watching the Sky Sports recap of the first Heritage GT race yesterday I got the impression that the FIA Historic TC/GTC series has collapsed. ???

hi all,
hopefully i can make this race (if there is room).  The track is new to me...and so are both cars more or less - i've raced the A110 twice before i think?
Anyway i had a quick go....and well both are very different cars but with me at wheel the times are very similar.
Both have character - which as we know makes GTL so great.
Keith

The track looks daunting but after a few laps it's quite easy to remember and it's not particularly long. Healey is quite a FUN handful, whereas the Alpine is more a precision instrument. Healey will beat the Alpine down the straights but the Alpine is much easier to get round without fishtailing your arse into the concrete walls.

Great, a city-track!

After all the stuff about low turn outs just thoght I'd better inform you that Tinman and myself will be missing a couple of weeks. He in Malta me in Sweden. Hope we will be back to full strength soon



Oilseal

p'ah call that an excuse ?!...dont they have internet cafe's ?  ;)  ;D

As the server has still not been fixed by the hosting company, just forewarning that this race too may have to be postponed. Will let you know early tomorrow evening if it is back and if there is enough time to get this race going as scheduled.

I very much doubt this race will be this week, it appears the particular PSU required is like Rocking Horse Dung at the moment. We are hopefully getting a temp server sorted but, as you can imagine, will need the games etc. installing. GTL takes over 24 hours to upload on my ADSL line (448K up) so unless we can sort a faster upload it will still be uploading assuming I get the server tomorrow!

Again sorry for these problems.

If a server is a problem for sunday, I can ask the guys of Simracing.nl if we can share their server. Only thing will be the skinpack. The usually have a testrace at sunday but usually around 10 peeps max, so a 2nd server for enduro shouldn't be a problem I guess. But that's an emergency solution.

If you need to upload to the server I can certainly help out as I have a 4mb leased line at the office.
Let me know if i can be of assistance. being the Group IT manager has to have its perks  :P

Hope you've taken the DVD to work with you ;) Will probably take you up on that when we get access to another server box. Thanks.

Yup, disk is sitting in the drive waiting to be uploaded if and when neccesary.

Thanks but no sign of a temp server yet, pretty sure it's too late for tonight now. Sorry peeps.

Executive decision has been made to can this for this week. I expect the event will all be put back a week like in the GTR2 leagues.

Indeed it has, now scheduled for May 24th.

I have a spare 4 way 1.8 xeon processor dell box doing nothing  ;D lets use it  ;)

Was looking forward to this race..........

Sorry for the delay, I'm not sure if a 1.8 Xeon would be up to the job to be honest. Lots of cores does not help as the server code only utilises one core. We used to have a 2.4 P4 and that struggled with grids over about 20 I think for memory. Thanks for the offer :)

 :'( Please tell me we're not going to be moving the races on GTL along by one week, it'll ruin my TC65 campaign! Can't we just put the missed races at the end?

No Worries Picnic. Have they sorted the server out yet? What PSU is it that they are looking for ? I may be able to source one (may have one spare in one of my server rooms or ill order one and count it as a donation  ;D ) Lets just get the server running........ I may be crap but I need my online racing fix  :o

Splintheter, I've sent you a couple of PMs. Have you seen them?

I have access to a temporary server and I am uploading GTR2 now. If you can upload GTL that would be a real help  :)

Thanks to Splintheter for help uploading GTL.

There is now a practice server up with Skin Pack 1.3 and Trois-Rivieres running on it. I'd appreciate feedback if there are problems.

Can't join, keep getting 'bad password'. I assumed I could use the password that was on the event page?

Works fine for me Picnic with the practice password (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2929.0).

Nice, I'll be able to make this one :)

This Car/Track combo is pure Genius!

DAGNAMIT....................... I am not going to make this race as I will be on a train on the way back from Glasgow. I am GUTTED!!!!  >:( >:( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Damn, you're gonna miss exploding Austins :(

If I make this it will be in the Healy for sure. Great sideways action is imminent  ;D

 ;D Nice track but a bit of a resource hog! The pimp-mobile will hopefully be there.

Hrmm, I find the track  actually runs fairly smooth. The only time i've had slowdown is on that second last turn around the bend.

I get reasonable (rather than good) frame rates as long as nobody has headlights on.

I remember this track quite well from my Comet race; was pretty surprised to see the Healey cocking its inside front wheel in the tighter turns though! :o

I figured it was just the bumpyness of the street circut  :P

It is an extremely detailed track so yes you may need to turn down the detail a little. I would suggest the track detail will help the most for those struggling.

Sorry chaps, but I'm unlikely to make this race - 10% chance only :(

Who's gonna be first to beat my GTL rank time of 1'15.8? Reckon pole will be around 15.5...  :)

Stu

Not me as I'll be in the Healy, going more sideways than forwards. Best was to prevent being overtaking, block the corners ;)

I'll be there - ISP permitting...
I'll have a test run when i get home this aft...

Saw Shark's ad on RSC and thought, that looks good!  I'll try to be there (if my partner grants me leave!), I've yet to install Trois-Rivieres, so don't expect me to be quick, I'll still be learning it.  Seems the Healey is most popular, maybe I'll try the Alpine to balance it up, although I've a little more experience of the Healey.

If I can't make this one, I'll try to join a few races in the future.

Steve

Welcome Steve, good to see you around  :thumbup1:

Hi Ruskus, hopefully I'll be around tonight!

Yay, got my (not very impressive) GTLRank banner thingy to work ;D

Welcome onboard Steve, good to see new faces in GTL  8)

I may be joining you in an Alpine, feels like a tarmac rally car in this tight track layout, though lacks the grunt of the Healeys.

Nice to see you Steve. :thumbup1:

I'll probably take the Healey cause we have a Team Shark painted one, but I'm tempted by the Alpine cause I always take the Healey.  :)

1.15.8? :o I'll be more then happy if I can do a couple of sub 1.18 laps and stay out of the walls with the Alpine ;D

I'm currently working on an Alpine paint ;)

My thoughts exactly. I busted my butt off all week to sneak in some 1:18s :(

I am pretty much ready to give up GTL, at least with add-on tracks.

Half decent qually and was looking forward to the race; took a tight line through the final right hander as we formed up and got what I thought was a cut warning - but was actually a Stop and Go. Er... why?! I must've read it out loud to my teammates but my brain filed it under "1 cut warning - be slightly careful" and I didn't stop and go... and was promptly DQd at the end of my second or third flying lap.

Frame rate wasn't great either. I don't remember the last time I had a really good GTL race and I'm really wondering why I'm bothering. :(

I had a great first UKGTL race! NOT  :-\
Qualifying was ok with a 10th place (as far in front as I felt comfortable with in my first race anyway). I spun out in the second corner after the start and overshot the corner after the main straigh shortly thereafter. I went on a couple laps more, but after spinning a couple times more with the wonky suspension I noticed I was already 50+ seconds behind. So I decided to retire before getting in the way of the faster guys.

I'm working next thursday, so hopefully I can make the race after that.

you can't keep yourself away from the classics?  :angel:


Great battle for 10th early in the race - with whomever was in the White Austin - untill I pushed to hard and spinned it :( Head some great comeback battles untill a spin here and there near the end, then my car got all tore up on the last 10 laps. Tyres were starting to slip a bit, and my suspension needed to be replaced to stay in the race!

Don't know how you guys can pull 1:15s, but I need to know where to download your cheats  :P

Bit of fun wasn't it!  Well, slinging the Healy was - my race was a little dull, never really had any close fights altohugh I was chasing (I forget) for a good few laps and that was about it.

Given how poor I am at controlling drifts etc I quite enjoyed it.

Cheers all, and hats off to those alien types at the front .... I hadn't even gotten under 1:20 before tonight so to hit 1:18.6 I was amazed.

 ;D Got a pb in qualy so well pleased with that, and the race was an absolute scream!
Fighting with Shark, Assassino, Baracus and an almighty scrap with Ruskus at the end, fuel was totally wrong, ended up with half a tank, so tyres felt as though they were going off at the front but the Healey's spinny rears easily compensate!
I had to reduce  :o  some details even for my 8800GTS so this track is quite a lot more detailed imo. But I find it quite a nice one tbh, although I'm always a bit nervous with the walls and the Healey's tendancy to dance under braking!  8)
All in all another one to savour.  :)
Grats to the podium too, those Alpines are monsters here under braking!  :D

Ooooooooh Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee 
That was soooooooooooo much fuuuuuuuuuuuuuun.  ;D

Was really happy with my qually of 1:16.3. Basically I set everything to maximum oversteer, just to get the thing around, and it was brilliant ;D.

I was trying to get past some Alpines at the beginning as they were actually holding me up, which I didn't expect. After the two infront of me were battling and got a bad exit, I got to overtake them both on the 2nd "straight". That was a great move to do, very tight three wide  ::).

But at one point I steered in too quickly and hit the inside and then got flipped the other way. After waiting I got behind Simon, which was the beginning of absolute fun racing. We were both doing big slides and drifts side by side. It was slowing us down alot, but the fun made it all good. I could hardly see the screen as my cheeks were infront of my eyes from laughing  ;D

PRibeiro was behind us, watching the show ;D. But Simon messed up somewhere and collected Ribeiro, flipping him on his roof.
I was thinking about waiting for SImon to continue the fun, but the gap was very big and he kept redesigning the track  :P.

I noticed I was quicker than the guys infront, so I started to push again to win places. I had a great battle with Assa which was very hard to pass, but somewhere I did it (cause all the fun I forgot details ;D).

Then I had Madd-Rip infront of me. I was faster, but I couldn't overtake his pimpmobile ;D. Great fair fight, often side by side through the twisty corners. I just didn't have the edge to stay infront after an attempt. Sometimes I chickened out, afraid of causing an incident.
Amazing race for me!!!

Somebody please make a video, so much good/fun footage to fill and maybe even a good trailer to lure more people into UKGTL, as the size of the grid was very good today.

Soooo haaaappyyyyy now...fun fun fun fun fun ;D

Bit of a mad dash to get back in time, but just made it for quali. In the nick of time I did a PB 1'15.2 to get pole.

In the race I was trying to be steady at first, keen to stay off the barriers. Baracus and Paul seemed trip over themselves, and Ruskus got stuck in to the 2nd-place battle too, letting me get about 4 seconds lead. Then, it was just clock watching, doing enough to keep the gap. For a few laps Paul was closing in a few tenths each lap, but then he dropped away again (accident?) letting Baracus through - gap was now 7 seconds so I backed right off to the end.

Nice track, with several bends that can be taken far quicker than you'd expect - real rush when the barriers whiz past the wing mirrors!

See you all next time.
Stu

 ;D Yes it was nice and fair you were  getting me under braking, (saw your car twitching a lot  :D ) and tbh I was not really expecting you to be behind me for long, its just nice to fight at the front tbh, my GTR2 showings are woeful tbh. But GTL I just seem to 'get it' more! Good race Jeff!

Yeah brilliant. I lost under accelerating a bit with my power: 10% and coast: 10%, but I won under braking (53:47, 100%). Was a bit tricky, which made be awar of not trying to hard, as my ass my swing out too much and take you out, which is deadly on this track :D.
I love this class, the best class in GTL IMO, together with the Falcon  ;D

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/GTL Trois-Rivieres GTC 65/index.html)

Yep, I've got the 8800GTX and framerates were definately down on normal.

You definately said Stop and Go over the radio. I was about to ask you if you'd come in yet when it DQd you. Dunno why it picks on you as you had the same thing at Brands Hatch too. Real shame as this was a hoot to drive in.


Me too, even on my 8800 GTX I had to duck out of Practice 1 to turn down track detail, shadows and stuff to lower settings. Was great and smooth after that though.


 :clap: :lol: O0



ROFL! That was brilliant. I think i could see Pribeiro wetting himself laughing behind us. Must have been a nice view. So sorry for cocking up that fight and whacking the wall causing Pribeiro to slam into me and onto his roof. Was desperately good fun though.

I think I owe that city a few bits of concrete ;D

For a few laps after that I just couldn't stop whacking the wall and I dropped down the order like a fly, surprising a few people with my rather awkwardly parked Healey in the middle of the track.  :o :o :o :o

Eventually after my car felt funny for a while another whack and it really seemed to put the car back into shape as I suddenly went 1.5 seconds faster than I had before easily into the 1:17s. So with my car back in shape and me back to kissing the wall rather than making my pit crew cringe totting up the repair damage I started catching people. Got one for 11th, then 10th, then 9th and then on the last lap caught Pribeiro again and as I chased him down the back straight I was about to pull out to outbrake and *whap* Pribeiro's car warped (it had been a little jittery before) warped and we went flying into the 2 foot :-\ run off road. Sorry about that as I was looking forward to nipping past a few corners before the line :P. After that with just a few corners to go the leader finally came up to lap me (can't believe it wasn't sooner :laugh:).

Had a bit of a mare of a race really, not one of my fave car choices, only about the 2nd time i've raced a heally. Good fun when you get the drifts right but way too tail happy for my liking. I should have stuck with my alpine but just couldnt stand that ferking hair dryer engine noise  >:(...the sound guy for GTL should be dragged behind a mustang for a lap or two, muppet.

Had a car like a 50 pence piece by lap 20 then eventually rolled it on lap 24 with suspension damage !

Nice track but i found it a bit bad on frame-rates occasionally, which is a first for my monster rig. But okay in the race. Would be good for a TC65 fight here.

Great driving up front from the Alpine boys.

Great lap info, Ruskus!

 8)

Thank you. I try to do it every race, but if I forget it, give me a shout, as I'm not in every GTL race, but I can make these things for all the races (if uploadspace permits me).

Was fun, followed you two, for some laps and if i belong to Shark team, i surely join you for three drift show ;D
Sorry but it was impossible to avoid your car Simon, very suden 180º turn and BANGGGGGGG.....up side down :laugh:
After that stunt moment, my car was overturning left and underturning right ::), therefore i never could,
push hard enough. :-\
BTW, the fellow that i lapped 6 or 7 laps to the end, why the hell you still fighting with a guy that lapped you?
I was winning almost a second per lap to the driver in front of me, until you decided to batlle with me,
after that i was worried about you and began to loose time for him...... :o
 :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
Carefull with your behavior mate, thank you. :shifty:

Congratulations Stu :alien: and podium lads :yes:

Thanks for the addon tracks.

Cheers

Next weeks smokin' race posted (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3117.msg50676#msg50676).

Back to Zandvoort where we raced the 76 cars on the GP circuit, this time around it's the TC-65 muscle cars at one of the shorter layouts (National) and some practice of your ability to turn the car on the throttle whilst laying as much of a smoke screen for the car behind as possible.

That was a blast.  :laugh:

After a hectic start, with a lot of ducking and divin' I found myself in 2nd place with about half distance to go. I was nibbling away at Stu's lead, but avoiding a couple of spinners and a charging baracus meant that was as far as my chance at leading would get. Really pleased to get 3rd in the end, I nearly stopped as the humidity and heat was getting bad, glad I didn't.  ;D

That was a seriously fun race. For me it was like snakes and ladders - one step forward 2 steps back! Eventually found a groove for my overweight Alpine and managed to get a few decent laps in but it was all too late to make any ground on Stu even tho he had eased off!

Again had some really interesting side by side action fighting back up (twice!) but that damn left kink kept on shuffling the pack (from what I could see)! - caught everyone out a few times!!

Sorry to hear your luck again Dave! That really stinks, but do stick with it m8! (minus add-ons :D )

Well my first UKGTL race was a little dull, no close fights, after the start the guys ahead pulled away, I pulled away from the cars behind, big gaps all round. 

I saw Simon, Ruskus and Pribeiro getting closer and assumed they were slowing due to close fighting, not horsing around(!!) but once Simon had his accident and took out Pribeiro (that was a surprise, finding two upside down cars in the middle of the track) Ruskus just disappeared.....

I haven't raced on a street track with walls since the original Microprose Grand Prix (Phoenix Raceway!) so I was somewhat paranoid about hitting the walls with an oversteery moment, set my car up with a very conservative 50/50 diff, way way too much understeer, couldn't get the thing turned in quickly, or power on early enough.  But with such a conservative setup, I barely made a mistake, clipped the inside wall on the final corner a couple of times, that was it.  Still, slightly disappointing speed (I'm sure I could have been in the 17s at least with a more aggressive setup, but 15s, man, how do some of you guys do it ???), at least I finished though. :)

I managed to learn the track better as the race went on, found some slightly better lines, particularly through the last few corners, did my 3 or 4 fastest laps after lap 20, even though car was getting looser with tyre wear. 

Quite enjoyed the rolling start, never done that before, although it means I missed out on my usual blistering start - on the public servers I usually make up 3-4 places every start (does everyone use auto-clutch or something, never figured why I can get better starts).  But fantastic to see everyone get through the first corner cleanly and get a proper race.

I'll definitely be back for more!

Steve

Shows what I remember....I didn't do lots of quick laps at the end :D  All got a bit hazy as I got tired, and hot!

I meant to ask, but didn't want to break the no-chat in qually rule:  When qualifying started I lost most of the racing line textures.  There was just a little patch of tyre marks around where the braking zone started, no black mark all the way into the corner, which I'd been using as a visual braking marker. 

Before joining practice I'd lowered the shader level from DX9 to DX7 to get good frame rates (low-end system, old vid card) so I assumed something went wrong with the shader moving from one session to the next. Exited, re-entered the server and looking for the racing line again as I came out of the pits I forgot I couldn't be seen, and although I stayed to one side someone ploughed into me at speed - really sorry to anyone who suddenly hit an invisible car just after pit exit!

I left the game again and re-started GTL with DX8 shaders, same problem.  Made it hard for a while to judge braking until I located other visual cues.

Anyone else get that? ???

Unfortunately this happens a fair bit with the addon tracks when it goes from one session to another and never comes back till the server or race is restarted, and no it's not just you.

I must admit I'm usually horrified when they go, but I can't say I really noticed it being a big hinderance at Trois, I guess I was using other things as braking markers.


Most people are rubbish at standing starts. I also usually make up a few places even in good league like this on a standing start due to being quite good at them. I use auto-clutch too.


Fabulous! Look forward to seeing you at the next race.

Not a bad track at all -  i quite enjoyed this race, although i had lost all force feedback on my wheel, and didn't have time to check it out properly before the race start.
Had a good battle with Jonza in the red Healy, but lost it on a few turns, with teh back end of the Alpine sliding out under braking.
Did anyone else have low frame rate issues on the s/f pit strait?

Just rebuilt my system, and thought it would be more than adequate to deal with GTL/GTR2 now, but FPS was dropping into the 40's in this area of the track...?

40's is quite high, isn't it? If I'm not mistaken TV's operate with 25 FPS.

50 - but they show alternate sets of lines each frame so you only get a full picture's worth of pixels every 1/25s. Interlacing is a very silly system. :D

Cinema is 24 - but you can see the frames when large parts of the picture move.

Please make a video Ossie  ;D. I have no time or else I would do it  :-*

 ;) I'll try and persuade him, I think he's away this weekend  though.
He was a bit gutted about his race though...........especially as I kept reminding him about mine!!!  :D
If he does do one, please watch it as he thinks no-one bothers 'cos the race will be about a week old when he finally does one.
Still smiling about our duel Jeff, marvellous.  ;D

Yes, so I wouldn't think you need any more than 30, and 25 should be acceptable IMPOV ;)

I'm trying to put a video together too, but time is not a luxury for me atm, but i'll see what I can do.

Yeah pleaso do. I'll watch, probably multiple times  ;D.

I actually watched the replay this morning and got my  ;D right back :D

30 isn't really enough for simracing where there's a lot of fast motion - 40 probably is but it's critical that it's smooth and consistent. Once the frame rate starts dipping regularly - even if it's only by 10 - it's much harder to consistently control the car.

Oaky, Gizmo. That's probably why I can't control my car then ;)