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Practice: 20:15 (15 mins)
Qualifying: 20:30 (20 mins)
Race: 20:50 (40 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Tsukuba (download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27))
Cars allowed: Ford Escort, Porsche 911, Porsche 914, Porsche 906, BMW CSL.
Time of Day Setting: 12:00
Start: Rolling

Server: UKGTL GTC-76 Cup
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=324) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
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(3) General information on the series can be found on the series home page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=47).
(4) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.3 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27).

How do you pronounce this track Simon?

F-U-N. :P

The "T" is almost but not quit silent. "t'Sookooobah".

I won't do any more GTL races unless we agree to turn off the black flags. At least it's not just me getting the thin edge of the GTL cutting code wedge.

Where does that leave us with real corner cutting though?

And, if we turn off black flags, does that also lose blue and yellow flags?

Can't you tweek the tracks like in GTR2 or is it encrypted Simon?

It would be too much work Madd and to be honest probably impossible as some of the places people like Gizmo have been done for cutting you wouldn't even think of to adjust in the files. After the fact we might be able to find some glaring errors in the AIW files for places people have complained about but it would be after the race really (so too late for that race) and you might not see anything at all. GTL is certainly a lot stricter than GTR or GTR2 on the cutting. I don't think it's all down to tigther lines in the AIW files, I think there is much stricter cutting code built into the actual game.

P.S. Yes I think the original tracks also have their AIW encrypted some how cause they don't include AIW "neat" in the Location folders like GTR2 does.

oh my god, this might be the first ever time I can actually race in the BMW *EXCITED!!!*

I'm going to be in Switzerland for this one  :P
So i'll hopefully be back for the next one

This is a fun 'lil track... has to be my trusty 906 for this one.

Just wanted to say i'm all for turning the flags off on 3rd party tracks if it makes it more fun for everyone... thats what its meant to be anyway and i'm sure none of us will take the mick with corner cutting (and probably doesnt save that much time anyway) - anything has got to be better than the frustration of false warnings!! Do yellows and blues actually do anything anyway??

These are the options available to us on the server and this is what I believe them to mean:

"None" - no flags.
"Black Only" - this seems to actually mean; blacks, plus local yellows for accidents and blues for lappers.
"Full" - this means; blacks, yellows for local accidents, blues for lapping, and full course yellows for "big" accidents.

Yellows and Blues are shown regardless of settings but with "Black Only" the game does not enforce them or deploy the safety car.

got my GTL hat on now too! getting a taste for historics! after watching some real gt40s lap brands!  ;D

 :'( I'm gonna have to miss this one, partner's having an operation on Friday, don't think she'd see the positive side of me disappearing to race for the evening before!!

Shame, I dunno the track, but I would have loved to chuck the CSL around, in such a good mix of cars.

Hopefully make the next one though (and try out the non-laggy wired connection!).  Hope you all have a good one.

Any thoughts on cars for this one? I've tried the BMW and the 906 Porky. The BMW I found a bit 'heavy' around the bends, and the gearing can't be set right for the tight track - wants to bog down in first round the tighter bends. The 906 is quite nice, because it's good around the tight'n'twisties. Anyone tried the others here? RSR and 914-6?

(BMW lap was about 1 second slower that the 906. 906 was just under the 1minute mark.)

I would imagine the 911 RSR should be pretty good round here as well as the 906.

argh, I think the man upstairs dislikes me.

I'm going ot be unable to attend this race due to a family gathering.

I'm never going to get to race the BMW :(

I should be there if i can re-install my new GPU and re-wire my system in time - get home at 6, so cutting it a bit fine, and still haven't downloaded the track yet, and Orange are supplying a terrible broadband service at present - it dosn't look too good but i will try to be there in the 911...

Fingers crossed ;)

I'm gonna miss this event because I've been invited for: SIM-CHALLENGE VS GTR-ITALIA. Good thing I have guys like Huttu and MaxD on my side  ;D

I'll come to this only if I've had a chance to spend a few minutes learning the circuit first.

I'll be there in my Martini Porsche  8)

These races till the end of Season 2 will be used as a gauge to whether UKGTL has a future post season 2. IMHO it's pretty touch and go at the moment as the fields aren't consistently big enough still.


I learnt it within 5 laps of P1 last time we did it. It's really quite a simple circuit.

I'll probably take the 906 as there is Team Shark one. ;D

I'll be there if I don't fall asleep. :sleep1: Work have changed my and Madds shift pattern to mornings only. 4:40am starts every day and it's catching up with me. Hopefully the 906 for me.

Madd should be wide awake he ain't done sod all in work all week. :P

Well, i for one would hate to see it drop off the intinary but understand if attendances are low its hard to consider maintaining it.

If it has to be downscaled why not reduce it to more special event type races every other week or at least consider running the Power & glory mod for GTR2 that has been getting rave reviews. Its a bit limited in car choices at the moment but they are promising ongoing car packs to add to it. The physics are supposed to be spot on for historical cars using the original specs as opposed to the 'modern' historics of GTL...so you get super-slide radial tyres and plenty of drift and opposite lock  8) Plus we get the weather and damage modelling of GTR2's advanced engine.

It would be a travesty to lose our fix of racing historics in one or another.  :'(

Besides, i thought the grids had been reasonably good lately with upto 18 cars competing. It all seems to depend on the track/car combo as the numbers differ so wildly in different weeks.

Yeah, if we can't keep GTL alive, maybe try Power and Glory. Alot of GTR2 folk may be able to join in at that point too, increasing grid size.

The only work done by you has been your ass shining that wonky seat.... :whistling:

PS yes how about giving Power and Glory a shot?

Yes if we can't keep GTL alive then maybe something similar.  Where can I get information on Power & Glory please?  ::)

Bill

Man that was hard work!  Hapopy with my qually in the end .... keeping Bernie behind me.  Shame I decided to check who was behind me on lap one as I let them all past.  Was stuck behind PRib and someone else (I forget) for a good while until I got into a rhythm and they both slid wide after locking up.  After that it was time to get my head down and get after Bernie  for pretty much the rest of the race.  Ossie appeared between us after losing some ground and I was then stuck trying to get by/keep up.  Soz for the nudge, it's just too easy to lock a wheel on that circuit for some reason.  Still, no harm done eh?  Was hoping to get by on the last 2 laps, but lost the rear end and that was that.

Good fun, but tough going!

Intersesting evening for me. At first I was gonna have a GTR2 race, but I had problems with an overheating PC, so I withdrew from that. Luckily for me GTL suffers less from overhating.

Took the worst handling car on a Mickey Mouse track in a Porsche cup. Well, that showed. I just couldn't get that Beamer to turn and I was holding up many many 906's  :D. On the straight the BMW blasted away.
I had some spinning cars behind, probably because they didn't expect me to go so slow through the corners. I wish I could have gone faster through them, but the car just didn't let me  :-[.
That's the downside of different cars on track. I could have taken the easy way in the 911 or 906  ;)

The previous version of the AutoSimSport (google it) magazine.

that was hard sweaty work.

I didnt like this car track combo at all, thought it was way too mickey mouse for these '76 cars.  :(
Even though i had top 5 pace on it in qual (5th) and race (3rd fastest lap), i ended up coming a cruddy 10th after no less than 5 annoying spins...4 of them behind Jeffs frustratingly slow BMW  :(
I had to keep hitting the brakes to avoid hitting his rear end and it made my own car unstable, causing me to spin around ::) :taz:

Shame as the car was great when i had clean air and could keep a rhythm going. Can we have bigger tracks for this class next time please? These little twisty tracks are fine for the TC65 cars but think i only used 4th once around a lap in the 911  :wacko:

Apologies to Madd who i tapped on the warm up under the concertina effect. Sorry mate.  :-[  I was gonna give myself a stop and go but just didnt trust the stupid coding to put me out of the race.

It was a fun nightmare race ???
Congrats to podium guys :)
The 914 just dont turn...period...but its a hell of a fun driving it around ;D
The back end is always trying to overtake the front ::)
Its a weird understeer/oversteer driving  :-\
Keith, sorry for the tap, i was in your bumper and you braked too much
earlier than usuall :(
Had a good clean fight with Fred Joseph for a while, then we began to fight
for the most beautiful spin 8), i did it for 5 times at least, i think he did
the same, we are waiting for the final juri results for best spin :laugh:

Cheers

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=3476

You'll need to register tho :)

Mister consistency.   ;D Last on the road as usual.  Still being lapped continuously allows reverse overtaking - see if I can pick the point to be overtaken by just moving off line and maybe lifting - as opposed to being a rolling road block.   :ban:

Bill

 :-\ Bit of a mixed affair for me, warmup lap was weird, stop, start ,then got tapped from behind and waited for the entire field to pass :'( Decided to go for it and started to make up places immediately, a podium was a no chance so decided to get as far as I could.
Managed to get up to Simon, Jeff and Assassino and made an error into T1 and made contact, i think I came off worse so just rewards ! Had terminal understeer from then on so had to take different lines into last bend to compensate.
Managed to get back up to the Ruskus group eventually and finally got into 5th 6th?? but made another boo boo and spun had a good scrap with Jeff for a few laps, side by side into the last corner and T1, wicked!! but finally squeezed past for 7th.
Grats to podium.

PS don't sweat it Mark in the end it made little difference tbh, I would have spun probably anyway!!

Thanks looks interesting, I'll keep an eye on it and developments on this forum.

Provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=326), replay (http://ukgtl.simracing.org.uk/) and provisionally updated standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=47).

Can't call it slow tbh. My qually lap was only 0.5 slower than yours, and in the stage that you were behind me, my racepace was only 0.5s slower than my qually lap. Which seems a good racepace to me.
The BMW just have to have a straight, whereas the Porsche needs corners. I can't complain that the Porkers held me up on straights  :-\

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/GTL Tzubuka 07-06-2007/index.html)

Good fun, even if I don't read the rules  :D ;)

   10      10       10
 :dots: :dots: :dots:

 ;D

Im left with big mixed feelings after that race! That was oh so very nearly the best race i've ever had, but my girlfriend came in to ask how loong I would be on lap 39 and I lost "the zone" momentarily - went wide and Stu was back through!

Up to that point it was very hard work. Off the line Stu went defensive into the first few turns and couldnt slow down in time to make the bend, so I got an early gap which soon started coming down. I thought theres no way I was going to outpace Stu so just concentrated on getting every apex and nice clean acceleration out. It was working and I got into a really nice rhythm, which was broken coming passed some scrapping back-markers. I braked a bit "unusually" and was going too quick - spun all on my own and Stu was through (but only just) so I managed tpo acceleerate alongside him and got a good drag onto him but all I could do was follow. Amazingly I had another chance as Stu spun it all on his own (1 all!)
 and had another 10 laps to hold him off. He soon got back up to my tail - I reckon he was a second quicker ish as he was really pushing no doubt! Still I felt I could still keep my line and keep it clean - and was really on the edge when the door opened and I'm getting asked stupid questions. I just messed up my pedal co-ordination a bit, understerred wide and Stu was alongside with a better drive! All over!

Really great race tho - I really did put all my energy into that so its really frustrating too!
Grats Stu ;-)

Think I'm gonna get a lock on my race room door!!

I didnt mean you was slow Ruskus obviously  ;) nor that the BMW was slow over a lap but it was freakishly slow in the corners. I was amazed at the pace it had down the straight, never realised the BMW had that much poke, but likewise never knew it had the cornering speed of a slug  ???

Actually, after spending a few hours tuning the BMW, I could get it to swing around those corners quite quickly. It still wasn't enough, obviously, to keep pace with the 906's tho, but it was fast enough to get an awesome exit launch speed to blow past them on the straights.

Yeah I was surprised about those two things as well  :o. Maybe it's the track, but I can't remember the BMW having such a bad handling. I had many things focused on better turning (10% coast, 25 degrees steering lock etc.) but still it was awefull. Even the brakes, it was like slowing down the QE2 :laugh:.
Even when a Porsche was on my inside in the last corner, the Beamer just flew by leaving it for dead. I noticed that only during the race, so I knew at that point that I had to focus on that part.
Another problem with the BMW is that it has terrible traction out of corners. At first I had almost everything set to oversteer, but the exits became terrible. So it's probably one of the worst balanced cars in the game :-\. Maybe the Alpine version is more nimble than the Schnitzer. Can't tell :)

hm... podium in 1st race (season 2) , and few fun laps with Stu ... excellent

p.s. maybe some drivers should consider the BLUE-flag ... no hard fillings , just a suggestion ...

Perhaps you could PM those drivers (they might not think they're one of those you've mentioned) ..... but also take into account the fact that on such a twisty (in parts) circuit it's not always possible to let the lapping driver straight through without seriously compromising yourself.  Nobody intentionally holds back a leader coming through to lap them.

That was fun! Wasn't sure what car to go for - 911 was a bit faster, but more likely to spin. 906 was more predictable to drive. I thought I'd give the 911 a go, as I've never raced it before.

Quali went fine - pole position with a reasonable lap. Full fuel laptime were almost the same in practice, so I'd hoped to be able to pull away early on in the race and then back off as the tyres got a bit dicey, to avoid spinning.

No such luck! Into the tight left-hander I locked the fronts and ran a bit deep; Baracus took the gap and MGoran followed him through. Long way to go, so I followed MGoran for a few laps, and on Lap 3 he went a bit wide (forget where!) and I got past into second place. Closed up on Baracus and then had 8 laps shadowing him hoping for a gap to appear. The 911 could close quite a bit around the fast right-hander onto the start-finish straight, and this caught me out on Lap 15. I got too close to Baracus' 906 rear end mid-bend, backed off and lost the rear. A slow-motion spin scrubbed all my speed off, and I got going again behind MGoran, with Baracus another 10 seconds up the road.

MGoran was hard to pass - he was driving quickly in all the right places. On lap 17 I squeezed past on the last bend, but ran two wheels on to the grass and he shot past on the brakes into T1. A few laps later I tried the same move, and this time kept it on the tarmac for second place.

Nearly 14 seconds to Baracus now, with 20 laps to go. The pit boards were all over the shop, showing gaps from 20 to 6 seconds on random laps. Not knowing how far ahead he was, I tried to do a few laps at a good pace without risking too much (MGoran was close behind still). Each lap I could see Baracus at the tight right-hander, so I knew I was closing slowly. The gap was down to 8 seconds when Baracus spun at the right-hand hairpin - I just sneaked through as he rejoined, and grabbed the lead.

A few laps later, the speed difference in the last bend was reversed and I had a very small nudge from behind from Baracus - the tail-heavy 911 piroretted, and very sportingly Baracus waited for me to get going again - thanks matey! For three laps I pulled away, but then I was stung by the same right-hand chicane that had struck Baracus - back into second place, 5 laps to got and 3 seconds down... race on!!

Tyres felt OK, so I pushed hard and closed Baracus down. On the last bend of the penultimate lap, he ran wide (Baracus - tell your girlfriend the payment is in the post ;) ) and I got beside him. Door-to-door, wheel-to-wheel, elbow-to-elbow into T1. Had to go very late on the brakes, but with the inside line I held the position. Great fun. Finished less than a second ahead.

This was the most fun I've had racing for a while - lots of overtaking, some tricky cars and a technical track. I disagree about the '76 cars not suiting the small tracks - I think it adds to the variety that makes GTL so good. Balancing the power-grip equation around the tight bends is a nice challenge, and the relief when you get to a long straight and can 'open her up' is great.

See you all next time.
Stu

The race was OK for me…I spun the Escort in the opening laps while following a 911? and BMW, but apart from that the Escort was fine.  I could of probably driven faster but went for a safer drive – save the tyres and make no big mistakes. 
As for Pribeir taping me under braking…no problem. I was probably driving defensively and looking for a slow entry & fast’ish exit on that corner….actually I cant even remember it.
Managed to pass two 906’s during the race so I’m happy with that  :)
Good fun with Fred (also in the Escort) during practice…which helped me learn the track.

Oh, I was surprised to see no Capri’s driven for that race.

They weren't allowed - that's what sealed my decision to go do some GTR2 practice instead.

A liitle vid, hope you enjoy. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3242RHK1 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3242RHK1)

OSSIEEEE!! You should do one for the Austin Healy vs Renault Race :D:D:D:D:D:D

great video thanks ossie

Yea super video Ossie :-)