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Practice 1:	20:00	(15 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:15	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 1:	20:25	(5 mins)	Masters may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1, G2, GT2, GTC or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (G2 and GT3 cars will not score points).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Enna
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Clubmen
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Notes:
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(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
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Really not looking forward to this one........

Many moon ago, I remember it was decided that Enna events would always be dry (bloody health and safety :)) Is that still the case? For me, it still makes sense.

To be honest, I think it would be better in the wet.  At the moment to be in with a chance of winning you've got to pretty much straight-line the chicanes and hammer over the kerbs.  You'd never drive like that in real life as crashing has major consequences - death isn't something I fancy risking for a tenth of a second off my lap time.

If it's wet the margin for error is that much smaller that to finish the race you'd have to drive sensibly (ie. closer to how you would in real life) so I for one am hoping for rain.

I quite enjoy enna  ??? it is dangerous with the tyre walls and as you rightly say the only way to possibly compete for high places is to take the risky option through the chicanes....but it is what it is...a risky option.

 So ok, the aliens will (probably) do it and (mostly) get away with it..for the mid-field runners there is the choice, risk it or safer option...and for the backmarkers (like myself) there doesn't seem much point risking it....steady and safe (hopefully).

Not many tracks can offer that sort of diversity and I reckon it's going to be pretty interesting to see which school of thought wins the day....

I'd vote for 120 mins enduro any day of the week.  ;D  ;)

In Enna? It's all yours.  :(

TT

well hey, why not? endurance should be a real test of men and machines.

what better place to do it then in hardest (mentally) track out there? ;)

i dont think enna is about being the hardest track mentally at all. Its all about cheating natural physics and what would be the fear factor in a real car. Here the way to a fast lap is just to fly through those two chicanes at the most maximum velocity you can get away with...or not ::)  You would never attempt to straightline them the same way in a real car like you need to do for a fast lap here...so where is the 'simulation/realism' in that.
If i want cack driving experiences i'll buy a playstation  :helpsmilie:

Qually in the sprint was like a demolition derby with ludricrous amounts of smashed up GT cars on almost every lap. If anything i'd prefer it if there was no way of attempting to straightline the chicanes and you had to slow, downshift and 'drive' through them like a chicanes meant to do.

I've said before I think that I wish there was a penalty in sims for bending the car (or dumping it in a gravel trap) during practice and qually.

I decided to forego the GTL race last night in favour or some Enna race pace practice in the Corvette (and a large glass of wine ;) ). I won here in Endurance Division 2 back in the GTR1 days but between the switch the GT1 and me getting older I'm really struggling for consistency here; I think this will be my last and only season in GT1 and I will return to my 350Z for Season 6.

I'd like to share some other thoughts on this track if I may.

Enna should be revised as per corner cutting goes IMHO....

1. exit out of Schumacher chicane: you can ride those left side curbs (not that you want to anyway, but still, it happens if you're insane) and gain time. Lots of it if you take the chicane in 4th gear (if heavy curb riding would be penalised, we'd all take it in 3rd).

2. 2nd part (exit, left-right) @ first double chicane combo. Way too much curb riding permitted, saw it happening @ GT1 sprint a lot.

3. Chicane @ pitlane entry (exit to S/F straight). Same thing, one can cut like crazy. Not that it's healthy, but it's doable.

4. above 3 would also slow us down and make it a bit more realistic. ;)

We won't bother with a "UKGTR Enna" because it's a Season 5 special - we won't be back and it's now too late to provide our own version. Besides which, if you consistently push the limits, sooner or later you're going to come a cropper.

It's just the (not)liking of the track, Jure. Take any other track (except Anderstorp  ;D) and I'm in.  :thumbup1:

TT

Nice Avatar, Jure!  :lol:

I dont think a specific UKGTR Enna is needed....I agree that the corner cutting detection in GTR2 at Enna is a bit slack to say the least....but we are all racing under UKGTR rules,


which tell me that I would be in danger of penalties or even worse exclusion (just been reading about Monza ;)) if I blatently or persistently cut corners.

Due to the nature of this track...number of accidents etc, I'm pretty sure the Moderators will be scrutinising this area a little more closely than normal.....and of course there is still the option to submit incident reports if somebody (nobody on here....surely :D) is persistently breaking the rules.

By 'clear violation' we don't mean touching the gravel - we mean driving straight through without any attempt to follow the course of the chicane.

I've always quite enjoyed Enna. If you survive the first couple of chaotic laps it's a real test of concentration.

That said, I've not practiced as much as much as I'd like so I'm hoping I want be too far off the pace.

Ok, sorry to be a pest but I could do with a little clarification here if possible. (not questioning the rules or the implimentation of them.....just so I know which lines I can take and which would be taboo ;D)

As an exapmle, the final two turns before the s/f straight at Enna have small areas of 'grasscrete'. Would we be penalised if regularly putting two wheels over this area?

For the lefthander your right tires should be on the curb maximum. The inside wheels (in this case) can be on the grasscrete. Atleast, this is what the rules allow.

Thanks ruskus.....time to go and learn the track again.....no wonder
i'm slow........ ???

Actually that's not what the rules say, they say

.....so both the inside wheels can be on kerb at max, but not inside it on the grasscrete.

As I've already said, the moderators are very unlikely to take action over discreet use of the grasscrete type area.

Hmm, than they must have changed, and in that case, the rules get broken all the time.

As far as I knew, the rules used to say, always 2 wheels on the track.

Edit: saw Dave's post, so don't quote me  :)

Please stop quoting selected parts of the rules. GTR2 will be relied on to enforce the cutting except where it fails to detect completing bypassing a chicane or driving completely off the track at a corner. I don't believe that there is anywhere at Enna where you can get away with that.

I think I might like to join this race in The ViperCC. Are there normally spots free?, and would anyone mind if I did so?

Yes, usually there are several.


Not me. The more ViperCC's the better  ;D

If I'm not playing Snooker, I may join you in the Vipers of dooooom ;D

First chicane...Turn!! TURRNNNNNNN!!!  :death:

Well, I think I'm gonna intentionaly miss this track. I hope I can be excused after 5 seasons of joining every race I phisicaly could. Yes, I hate this track that much.  :(

TT

wow...TT I get the impression you dont like this track much eh!....It would be a shame if your not in the lineup though....you would be missed.

I didn't like the track much either at first....but the more practice I put in the more it grew on me...and now I quite enjoy it....the Endurance is going to be a BIG challenge....to everyone....it will take good driving skills just to survive....I'm actually quite looking forward to it.  :o

And a pretty big dollop of luck that no-one wipes out in front of you! :D

 :lol:   not too bad in my case...I never seem to be close enough to anybody for that to worry me ;D

Oi!

That's my plan! :laugh:

touch and go whether i will make this one too. Got to work all weekend  >:( and then theres the canadian GP on from 5 until 8pm sunday, added to the fact i hate this track  ::)
Will see...

Just checking where the pit entry point is in Enna??

am I right in assuming it is where the lights and line are....right at the very beggining of the lane..?

Apparently (blame Ruskus if it's wrong) it's where the tarmac changes colour (past pit lane entry/lights, just before the armco "chicane").

I hope your right ;D that would be a much better place for it.

thnx

Always blame it on me  ;D, saves you alot of time :P :D.

The pit entrance IS where the track changes colour, so it's NOT at the lights. Try for yourself, drive into the pits and see where the computer engages the limiter.

And no, I'm not trying to get my revenge for tuesdays race by giving false info  ;)

as if I would ever think that :o :o :o .

Just because I've changed my car from the vertigo to a MK2 challenger tank with lots of extra armour.... ??? :tank:

...i know we're all watchin the gp and hopefully supporting lewis  ;)...but...

...Ruskus, what times are you getting in the ViperCC?

i'd like a ball park time! to aim for (and then i'll be t-2 secs  :))

Not really been doing alot of laps, but I was in the 1:37's with some room to improve. So I think the speed is around the Vertigo.

cheers  :-*

Don't forget, you need the new skinpack to join!

kept booting me as possible cheat for some reason, having this problem on other servers too  ???

Well that was daft of me! Qualied behind Simon and was very pleased since I hadn't used a qualy setup and had barely driven the beast.  ;D

First lap was oh-so-careful, then after a bit of trying to chase down 7th place, I slammed into the first chicane tyres - but the car was fine! They build these strong I thought...  8)
Except after building up my confidence again and going faster...I did it again...this time I'm pretty sure it was broken  :laugh:

Simon also sacrificing himself to flip Dave onto his roof (what happened there?!). Had massive understeer with the Viper, even with rear wing off and softs on the front. Oh well, I was compensating by turning in earlier and harder so the chicane moment was bound to happen sooner or later  :P

Congrats to whoever the podium guys will be!  8)

Can not believe what i have just done!

Came in to the pit to do my stop, didnt want to put new shoe on (were in good shape) or put fuel in, have never been in that postion before, so whilst panicking what to do pressed escape!! NO NO NO NO NO  ??? :-[

Race was going well, thought would be able to push for 1st in class......

for future reference, when you dont want to change anything do I just press enter??

Munk

pffweew i had a good race untill i slammed into the tyres.

the race went pretty well until my accident, finally could get some descent race pace to stay in the neighborhood of Picnic untill he had to do i pitstop. I thougt to push a bit harder to get some distance so i could keep my 3e place when i had to do my pitstop. it could have worked :)

What a terrible pace lap, is it so hard to do 70-80mph for 1 lap ???.

Saw some really bad behaviour, but I'll keep that private.

I was on a roll tonight. Near the end I was in 3rd and it looked like I would stay there untill the finish. And that would have been 3rd overall, not in the GT3 class  ;D. But I tried to go faster and faster through Schumacher and the last time I did it the fastest. So I flew over the barrier with only my seat left :P. Real shame as it would have been a daft result in the Viper CC, coming in 3rd overall  ;D

Had good quali, lost few places in first 2 laps but gained them back. Backo messed up and I was in the lead with a reasonable pace to pull out a nice lead.

Then Backo came back... FAST. ;D Made a split second decision to let him by and mind my own race. He caught up quickly with my intentions. Settled back in into comfortable 2nd, repeated the procedure with Backo once more ( ::) ) then had a 1 minute lead on 3rd placed driver before my pits.

Came in. Stopped.

And then they stood there.

Then they left.

Tried to call them back but no, they were on strike or smthn. After spending some 6 mins in the pits rest of cars started to come in and what do you know, right where I was parked.

So I left.

Shame, was pretty sure of those 15 points.

guess what....first tyre wall....who would have thought it ;D

Qualified well....first in class I think....then lap 4 cought a kerb on the way out of shumacher and damaged my suspension (again..an exact repeat of what I did in the sprint....thought I would learn eh!)
got back to the pits ok, without taking anybody out  ;D, and spent about a lap and a half getting repairs.
I was running soft soft as intended to pit midway for a new set...but going in so early I thought I had better change to mediums and make them last me.

made the car a little difficult but I just about got used to it when one of the leaders caught up with me at the first chicane which distracted me a little and bang....race over. :'(

oh well...I have gained some more experience....next time folks

Hi Allwhat a carry on was up to12 just before half way , then came across  car stopped in the pit entrace chicane thought I had missed it but caught the barriers and it was all down hill from there. Two new noses but steering was not mended?.bye for now gerald

Second awful pace lap in a row. It was a complete mess. The leader should drive a steady pace for the entire lap around 75mph. The leaders job is the most important to stop concertina. Keeping the pace steady is the most important thing.


Tee hee. I was only GT3 and when Gizmo was on his roof I went to help. Figured the Viper CC was built strong enough to flip him back onto his wheels and it worked perfectly. First time slow hit and he went bouncing back onto his roof. Superb! Had to then pit to repair the damage to my car and at the same time top up and put tyres on, but it was worth it.

Then later on I got a stop and go for "cutting", aka, taking one to many avoiding actions and failing to brake in time. Hmm.

Then finally realised that my top up to the max of the tank after helping Gizmo back onto his roof wasn't enough and had to do a splash and dash with 25 minutes remaining. Worked hard to get up to Adam Pearle, shaving about 40 seconds off his lead on me, but still had another 30 seconds to go on the final lap.

Well done to all that finished.

Well ... I finished the race.  That's about the highlight.

Had a couple of good min-battles although at the start it looked like Pops, SBG and me might have a battle royal .... nope.

Rookie erro by me in trying to let Gizmo by dropped me back from Pops and SBG, and then Gerald blew by in the Mosler, only to park it infront of me at Schumacher.

Apologies to those I had contact with .... there were a couple :(.


Enough of this "kart" track, bring on some real race courses!

Grats to the winners, and indeed to the finishers...and comiserations to those whose cars are still sprinkled round the track!

What a race that was, probably the best 30 mins of racing I've had for a while sparring with SBG 8) I was gutted when you went out, I think we swapped the lead 4-5 times, it seemed like whoever was in front, it was their turn to make a mistake!

After that I had a pretty big GTC lead, I tried to hunt Munkez down for a while but realised pretty quickly that was a futile endeavour so I took it real easy for the rest of the race, trying to take care of the engine and tyres.

I had a dodgy moment when I came into the pits to find Shark in my spot! Panic was just setting in when he completed his pit-stop so I'm considering myself damn lucky there.

In the end a nice GTC win, and I think 2nd in GT2/GTC. I'm pretty pleased with that!

You need to manually adjust all the settings on the board to make sure the tires say "no change", fuelling says '0 seconds' and no damage repairs, then hit enter.

many thanks!!

First half of the race was very good.
Me and Ruskus were constantly close enough that when either of us made a little mistake (which isn't surprising chucking those monsters around) we swapped positions. 8)

Was right behind when he pitted and I carried on and was aiming to use pretty much all of the 100L and add around 70-80 at my pit stop without changing the mediums I was on as they lasted fine the whole race.

BUT I hit the first tyre barriers at the next time of asking whilst I even backed off a little which can cost you sometimes, and I had to stay in the pit for 112 seconds of something.
Shame really as I think my strategy may have been enough to pip JR and would have been interesting to see where we would have ended up. :(

Good race all the same, hopefully it can be round 3 on Tuesday. 8)

Well done Sharks on there respective finishing positions. :thumbup1:

and others who finished also. :D

Enough moaning :). Congrats to all for some really gentlemanly and sensible racing tonight.

Brilliant first 20 minutes fighting pops. Not to worry about our touch as we were both trying to avoid each other :). Thanks for waiting though. Gotta laugh at the way we both went to pot as we led. Shame I ruined it by looking in the mirrors and finding the tyres instead. Much fun.

Hats off to PR and Adam, twice, for letting me pass. And it seemed that everyone did their best to avoid mayhem at that death trap.  

Tough, tough race. Finally qualified ahead of Picnic's MC12 and managed to make it through the first few laps okay, despite some cwazyness at the end of the pace lap, and was following Jure and Backo and then they touched going into the first chicane and, distracted I clipped the tyres and spun onto my roof. The marshalls refused to put me back on my roof so Shark very generously converted his Viper CC into a fork lift and bumped me upright again, the best part of two laps down but with relatively minor damage.

Big thanks to all the GT3, GTC and GT2 cars I unlapped during that first half of the race, helpful to a fault each and every one. :thumbup1:

Pitted as early as possible, 15 seconds of repairs, a full tank and a fresh set of softs and I was back underway. Suddenly I had the race pace I had been expecting and I hacked my way back up through the field until JR was the only non-GT1 car ahead. The demise of Mike and Jure gave me 4th and then much to my surprise Dutch Shark binned it and I was on the podium - a real shock after being on my roof for two minutes!

Yeah, that really was daft. When there are only 24 starters really the game should be allocating everyone their own pit box, there must be enough at Enna, but for me to have come in on the same lap you wanted was just freakishly unlucky considering my pit strategy was out the window. I knew I didn't have long left in the pits when you parked up behind me, so hoped you'd have time to wait which thankfully you seemed to. :)

Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Enna%20Pergusa%20-%20Endurance%20Clubmen%20070610.zip) plus provisional result (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=360) and standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=51)

That was a tough race, I had a new setup for the MC12 and it gave me a few 10ths but the pace of Jure and Backo was miles ahead. I just hoped to keep Dave honest. Then on the first couple of laps I took everything easy and found myself leading  ;D Didn't last too long as the 24-7 boys got back into their stride and stormed past, leaving me to hope to hang on to third as Mike Sodito was fast enough to never let me pull out a gap. Sadly Mike had trouble as did Jure so I picked up a 2nd. I was lapped as well so crushing victory Backo old chap ;) but I was a lap up on Dave (unsurprisingly!)

Thanks to all the guys for making the lapping easy :)

I know Ruskus that was me,person with bad behaviour.I'm sorry!!!, was my fault, late on brake and pushed you.Was  very tough race
and frist couple laps I didn't concentrated proper and I did lots mistakes!!!,almost twice I finished race sooner.!!!Sorry anyone for hit from me!!!Siya soon on track!

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Enna Enduro Clubmen 10-06-2007/index.html)

that was a fun race! managed a 1m41 in the GT3 Cup Car so was well chuffed  8) quicker thank some RSRs !!  :o

...it started well with some good fights in the first half of the race with some Vertigo's.... then picnic spun his massa after the first chicane and i spun avoiding him, desperate not to take out a full time driver when i was guest!!  :-X ....shortly after first pitstop i broke my suspension and ended up pitting 3 times in the end! ruining any chance of a top 10 finish!!!

...somegreat fair racing! grats R24-7 ladssss  ;D

There are only 17 spots at Enna.

Bah, what are they doing with the rest of the pit lane!? :-[ ::)

Recovery vehicles ready to go rebuild the chicanes. :D

 :laugh: :laugh:

Unlike my wussy team-mates I've always enjoyed Enna but the pit-lanes being limited to 17 is ridiculous given that there's no way to tell in anyone is in 'your' spot. I'd have been gutted if I'd lost out last night because Shark was in the same pit-bay that I'd been assigned to.

Maybe Enna should head for the scrap-heap  :-\

Sorry I missed this one but still on holiday at the moment.

Looks like a very interesting race to see the least.

Backo will now be hot favourite for the championship after yet another win. Looks like he was in a class of his own since his fastest lap was almost 4 seconds quicker than the next driver, that is a massive difference!

I will be back from holiday later in the week to resume racing

It has happened to me a couple of times now.

However what I have noticed if you press the pit request button it will only tell you to come in if nobody is in your pit bay.

Not sure if it will do the same if somebody requests a stop and both drivers on course though.

It would be helpful to all if people press there pit request button and not turning up unannounced

Well reading that post demolition derby race result and hearing that it only supports 17 cars WTF do we bother racing here ???

Why not try out a couple of the brilliant other circuits that have been modded and are used succesfully by other online leagues, like Zaandvoort, Zolder, Adria, Road America..etc etc. The add-on tracks have done wonders to the GTL racing and i'm sure a few of us are getting a bit bored racing the same old tracks since early GTR1 days.

FWIW, I always use the pit request, I'm not totally sure at what point on the track I requested it last night though, I wait for a long straight so the annoying pit-crew response doesn't distract me.

It's not exactly the first time it's happened, it just seems there's a much higher chance of it happening with 17 pit bays. I can't believe a modern race circuit is like that though ???

The vast majority of tracks only have about 15 spots. Only Spa has enough for a full field to all pit at once. You know perfectly well that many of the add on tracks have problems with spurious flags and cut warnings, garages that don't work, grid slots out of position and bad segment joins.

Its quite amazing how many similarities there were between our enna race and the F1 gp in Canada.

the F1 suffered 5 (if I remember rightly) safety cars on track, the worse accident seen for many years, drivers making mistakes in critical areas, pit lane confusion and stacked cars waiting for fuel, complaints about the garage space .....

sounds familiar !  ;D

Well, that was a disaster - didn't have time to practice here really, as to busy trying to fine tune my system all weekend.
I realise now why a lot of drivers dislike this track - one wrong move through one of the chicanes and race over - that was me!
My set-up was terrible, with the back end all over under braking - just modded my RSR Dubai set-up, and it showed...

Anyway - congrats to all who managed to finish, and all who entered.

Hi all Wot a numpty I am .Had a brilliant set up if I had run at my quali lap times would have been well up. Note to self concentrate in future. Sorry shark should have earned more points for team.cheers gerald