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Title: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on June 21, 2007, 10:26:16 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:25(10 mins)reserves may join too when Practice 2 is shown in lobby
Qual 2:20:35(20 mins)
Race:20:55(40 minutes)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)).
Weather: Dry
Track: Oschersleben GP 2004
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR GT2 GTC
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=357) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=49)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only one free changes of car in each series.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must selecte ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyones' connections will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Kerr on June 25, 2007, 02:59:38 PM +0100
I'm backshift so going to miss this one sadly. I have had great fun in my few gt2 races so far.                        Dave i notice race start time is 5 mins earlier than normal. Is this going to be a regular thing?                     It's just when i'm nightshift i start at 9.45. When the race is 9.00pm for 40 mins by the time the race is finished I'm always a few minutes late. 5 mins would make it fine though if that was to remain the start time!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on June 25, 2007, 03:24:01 PM +0100
Dave i notice race start time is 5 mins earlier than normal. Is this going to be a regular thing?                     It's just when i'm nightshift i start at 9.45. When the race is 9.00pm for 40 mins by the time the race is finished I'm always a few minutes late. 5 mins would make it fine though if that was to remain the start time!

Every GT2/GTC race this season has started then I think - I just copy the times from the last announcement. Hadn't noticed that they were out of sync with the GT1 Sprint times!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on June 26, 2007, 08:09:42 PM +0100
TVR is fun round here!  8)
(Yes that's me sneaking in 10 minutes practice before hand so watch out.  :-*)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: pribeiro on June 26, 2007, 09:37:23 PM +0100
A bit hard hanging the heavy Biturbo Porsche around Oschersleben, and not a single true
straight to use the top speed HP.
Qualified 15th, up to 12th, but a mistake put me in 17th, recovered well untill 10th (some
luck with some other drivers mistakes).
After 15mnts i lost some grip due to tyre wear, after 25mnts i was in  a huge understeer,
so i had to keep on on the mini-straights and hold over the corners.
Had some nice fights with Simon, Nevard, Truetom and Moore (sorry, if i´m forgetting someone).
Yep, i quit, i was hit hard in my back, spun but once more, i got my wheel self turning right.
To be honest, i didnt have the mood to recover (again) from 17th, with the field more wider
and 15mnts to the end, so the turnrightwheel issue, helped me to quit.
This is a hard track to overtake, we only can do it safelly, when someone make a mistake,
spinning or go wide in a corner.

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: JonM_uk on June 26, 2007, 09:49:27 PM +0100
pribeiro that was me who hit you. Sorry :(
Had a bad race 2 double down shifts+poor driving in other areas. I really need to start practicing more for these events because my poor driving is costing other peeps.
Grats to Jeff on the win.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Simon Gymer on June 26, 2007, 09:50:39 PM +0100
I seemed to be in battles the whole race there. Whether it be recovering GT2s or dicing with Nev and just about Paul. Unfortunately none of the battles I had I thought I could ultimately win, but it was good fun trying. The TVR is just the best car in the game as you can have soooooo much fun with the throttle pedal. Come the last 1/4 of the race I simply had to power steer it round the corners as there was no grip left in the tyres. Not quick, but fun and still 2nd in class due to Paul's engine exploding.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 26, 2007, 09:51:16 PM +0100
That was a close fight.

I did a PB in qually (not that I even driven the 360 here before :)), and got 2nd, which was better than expected.

Jon had a double downshift halfway in lap 1 and it was close getting around him. Luckily everybody was wide awake and all got away cleanly (IIRC).
For the rest of the race I had Leuven right behind me, so I had to keep going.
Again I wasn't the quickest during the race, but I was quite consistent. That was the way I could keep Leuv behind, just like Ribeiro says. Almost impossible to overtake without anyone making a mistake.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: purdie on June 26, 2007, 09:53:48 PM +0100
grats Ruskus!

well thought i quali'd badly but saw the names in front of me and wasn't too suprised tbh!

always desperate to beat PaulR for some reason! and the git pipped me  ;)! and i was sandwiched by my R24-7 teamies !!

first half of the race was uneventful but fun, sitting in 8th following PaulR a second or two behind before I started to fall back. Then in the last 15 mins my engineer (never a messenger for good news!!!  :-\) warned me of tyre wear (soft/med)... and my times started dropping.

I got caught by TrueTom first and managed to hold him off for a couple of laps but he got past and then Nevarn caught me and didn't hang about either!  :o ...........so 10th for me  ;D

great fun and clean racing guys!!!!!!!!!!!  O0


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Paul Richards on June 26, 2007, 09:55:29 PM +0100
Tough race. Will write more tomorrow as in a rush. Qually went well 8th I think just in front of the R24/7 chaps (always a pleasure purdie  :P ) My setup was a bit dodgy until tyres came up to temp so took it easy the first lap. Baracus was up my chuff into the triple left hander and apologies if I went into a little slower than expected. He clipped the back of me and round he went. Sorry mate was being cautious. Purdie was chasing me hard for all the race until TT caught him. I managed to make my escape and then just had enough in reserve to keep pace up to not allow TT close enough to challange. It was hard work but pleased with 7th and many thanks to Purdie and TT for a good battle.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Madd-RIP on June 26, 2007, 09:57:15 PM +0100
 :) Almost a pb in quali and a nice scrap with Ossie at the start, then I threw it off the road,one of many tbh!  ;D , but it meant that i was pushing constantly, nearly got past picnic , but over cooked it, luckily we didn't make contact  :sweatdrop: but I basically just enjoyed the race, finally got back up to SBG but started making mistakes so kept on having to catch up.
Sorry to any leaders I held up but I tried to let you past on the straights (safer here imo).
Grats to podium btw  :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: baracus250gt on June 26, 2007, 09:57:52 PM +0100
DOH! Total disaster zone for me. 1st mistake going into the multi-bend left on lap 1 where I had to brake mid corner to avoid rear ending someone - that threw the balance and I was off into the wall. Last position. Recovered and had some fun overtaking - then the same thing happened (in a different bend) - Think I had another 4 or 5 offs! Really frustrated at myself but never mind, hey!

Tyres were shot from lap 15 on - perhaps soft fronts werent such a good idea!

Grats Rus and Leuven - looked mighty close! Sorry I was in the middle of the road but I had to go across the gravel to avoid hitting my team mate whom I saw from a distance stopped in the middle of the road facing the wrong way :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 26, 2007, 10:03:06 PM +0100
Sorry to any leaders I held up but I tried to let you past on the straights (safer here imo).

No problem, I was glad you did it that way. I was afraid you would make room before the McDonald's chicane. I didn't lose (alot of) time.
Good and smart racing in that surfboard  ;D

Grats Rus and Leuven - looked mighty close! Sorry I was in the middle of the road but I had to go across the gravel to avoid hitting my team mate whom I saw from a distance stopped in the middle of the road facing the wrong way :)

I saw alot of dust and smoke when I approach, so I kinda knew what was going on ;D. Also nametags helped :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: LEUVEN on June 26, 2007, 10:05:16 PM +0100
Jon put in an great lap in Qually and allthough I had a few more tenths available I doubted I'd find enough to displace him. Nice lap Jon. 8)
Then Jeffrey decided to get revenge for the last few times that I had pipped him in qually, by nicking 2nd place. :devil: :D
mo was right behind me too, which I've noticed for the last few months that we've had a very similar pace so I knew I needed to watch him. :shifty:

Shame to see Jon have problems :no:, but after that it ended up to be a good race for me.
managed to shake mo a little whilst I tracked JR down, but made a couple of small errors along the way which let RoboJeff some breathing space.
mo started to put in some fast times also which he used to close the gap down a number of times.
Managed to keep my nerve and resume my attack.

Got close a number of times(too close once :o) but found it hard to get passed especially after losing out down the straight after closing up.(more ballast for the GTC please :whistling:)

Noticed there was only a lap to go at the shell esses so decided to plan my attack to get really close, but as luck would have it there was a spinner at Turn2(Turn1.5?), shame really as I'd have liked to have seen the outcome. :'(

Credit to Jeffrey though as he drove like a (sideways) demon every lap. :notworthy:

Did I mention about the ballast for the GTC? ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: mo on June 26, 2007, 10:08:16 PM +0100
Grats to Ruskus on another fine win, and in the 360 this time 8)

Tough and inconsistant race for me tonight from 4th on the grid. Backo pressured me at the start and I couldn't get into a flow and it was tricky to stay ahead for a while. Eventually the beemer used up its rear tyres and I saw Backo fighting it sideways in my mirror a few times.
This allowed me to pull away and close the gap to Leuven but I never really had the pace to challenge him and only got close enough once briefly after he made a small mistake.
Then I started to drop back making lots of mistakes of my own and had numerous offs. After the 3th or 4th off I rejoined right infront of the Backo vs McLean battle and just got away with it round the final curve on the last lap to take the last podium spot.

Good racing again by everyone and unfortunate about the double shift for Jon :( but excellent driving by everyone to squeeze through with no contact :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Nevski on June 26, 2007, 10:12:48 PM +0100
To say that race was manic would be a huge understatement  ;D

I think I was trying a bit too hard in qually, and kept getting the car a bit too much out of shape in the final sector, which relegated me from 0.2s faster than Paul after sector 2, to 0.2s slower over the line. Great pole time anyway though Paul, especially with you being away from racing about a month.

I took med/med for the race and cautiously overfuelled the car to 66 litres. Whether it was this or just me being overcautious early in the race I don't know, but I was swamped by GT2 cars in the early laps, and dropped from about 12th on the grid to as low as 17th place at one point after a minor off track excursion. Fortunately for me, several other guys had offs and retirements which promoted me back into the top 12 or so, and by midrace I managed to find a bit more pace and started reeling back Simon and Paul.

I didn't really expect to get back past those two GTC cars on such a tight track with 15 minutes left on the clock, but as I closed on Simon it became clear his tyres were finished and after a few laps an opportunity came which allowed me to squeeze a pass down the inside going into the final corner. Paul was a few seconds up the road but a slight mistake allowed me to close right up to the back of his Mosler within a couple of laps. Then, almost immediately his engine let go, which was quite a shock when viewed at 100 mph from 3 feet behind his rear bumper  :o

Unlucky on the engine failure Paul, you must have been really ragging that redline  ;)  Congrats to Ruskus on the GT2 win, and thanks to everyone  I had a good battle with tonight.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: picnic on June 26, 2007, 10:14:51 PM +0100
Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Oschersleben%20-%20GT2%20GTC%20Sprint%20070626.zip) and provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=357) and standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=49)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: ginsters sponsored on June 26, 2007, 10:15:11 PM +0100
Hate that track, Enna is king :). However the wooden tub makes at least fun to go around.

Nice starting battle with a pink TVR ;). He was a fair bit faster but, being nice and steady, there was no way past. Shame you fell off, as it was fair but hard stuff. Great fun. Then i felt madd's cold, clammy breath for the rest of the race. Shame we couldn't get it on with shatted tyres at the end, but relieved to take home the wooden trophy tonight :)

Just one moan, Backo please use your limiter button in the pitlane during quali ???. I had to avoid you twice, its rather impolite and unnecessary.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: picnic on June 26, 2007, 10:19:24 PM +0100
However the wooden tub makes at least fun to go around.

Must be all in the setup. The Morgan was just no fun for me. Just understeered it's way round, no real change of direction with lift off or power unless I was really silly on the throttle, and even with silly steering input and booting it I still couldn't get any tyre temperature. Don't usually do this but drove it into the pits and quit  :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 26, 2007, 10:40:01 PM +0100

Must be all in the setup. The Morgan was just no fun for me. Just understeered it's way round, no real change of direction with lift off or power unless I was really silly on the throttle, and even with silly steering input and booting it I still couldn't get any tyre temperature. Don't usually do this but drove it into the pits and quit  :-[

Try very low coast <40 and low power and preload at 2.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 26, 2007, 10:42:31 PM +0100

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Oscherleben GT2 GTC spring 26-06-2007/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Reign Man on June 26, 2007, 10:45:06 PM +0100

Nice starting battle with a pink TVR ;). He was a fair bit faster but, being nice and steady, there was no way past. Shame you fell off, as it was fair but hard stuff. Great fun. Then i felt madd's cold, clammy breath for the rest of the race. Shame we couldn't get it on with shatted tyres at the end, but relieved to take home the wooden trophy tonight :)

Hehe. I had some fun trying to find my way past but, it's just a shame I messed it up. I'm still not comfortable on the brakes and I just overdid it in turn one.

I got back on the road and started to catch the 4 car train again but it looked like it fell apart with offs and whatnot. I was behind Madd when I was punted off into the gravel by a GT2 in the quick double left hander.  :nono:

After that I didn't have the pace I had at the start until the last few laps, was near Darren a few times but he was having a worse race than me and quit I think.

I have no idea how to set up the car with the wheel (not that i was any good setting up with the stick!), I need to get some major practice time in.

Hope to see Madd in the Masters Enduro as our pace was very close.

Reign Man


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 26, 2007, 10:50:33 PM +0100
I've changed my wheelsettings lately. A mix of the settings the really fast guys (Huttu, Ehngström, MaxD) use.

Here are my windows G25 settings:

Degrees of rotation: 400 degrees
Overall effects strength: 111% (apperently over 100% gives something extra without getting stronger or something :D)
Spring effects: 0%
Damper effects: 0%
NO center spring enabled

Ingame settings

Steering: 50%
Throttle: 40%
Brake: 35%
Clutch 50%

No deadzones

Specialized effects: G25
Effects: Low
FF strength: 66%

Hope this helps. The rest is all done to practice :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Reign Man on June 26, 2007, 10:53:00 PM +0100
Thanks ruskus. I'll give that a try when I finish work tomorrow.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Truetom on June 26, 2007, 11:12:14 PM +0100
Qualified 13th with at least half a second slower than my pb.  :(  Had close racing or chasing cars in front all the race, very intense.  :)
Started behind Paul968 who overslept the start. Should have pushed there, as his defensive driving in his Mosler was driving me nuts.  ;D Kept pushing trying to force him into a mistake. Finaly after some laps caught him, braked late inside and succeded to go by, albeit with a touch.  :(  Will watch replay and decide about reporting myself.  :-\
Tonight my racing was against the "P" guys: Paul968, Pablo, Pribeiro, Purdie (still sweating  ;D ) and finaly Paul Richards.   :fencing:  After some intense close racing I  was able to pass all but Paul Richards. Too bad Pablo made a mistake, I really wanted to try RSR against F360.  :(
I didn't know Paul Richards is such a stubborn guy - he utterly refused to make any mistake for all of the last 15 minutes. Have to get another beer, one wasn't enough.  ;D   Good driving, boys!  8)

Too bad for other Legends. Saw MJ was all over Paul968 and JonM was all over MJ.  ;D   Must've been interesting while it lasted.  ;)
Saw Darren making sandcastles and then quit. More luck next time, Legends!  :yes:

TT 
 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Reign Man on June 26, 2007, 11:15:08 PM +0100
Couldn't wait...gave those settings a quick blast.

Not sure about the degrees of rotation but the in game brake settings helped with braking alot. not sure what the spring and Damper wheel settings changed. I felt no difference. Though those ff settings seem a bit week to me.


...off to bed, will test more tomorrow.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 26, 2007, 11:27:28 PM +0100
Couldn't wait...gave those settings a quick blast.

Not sure about the degrees of rotation but the in game brake settings helped with braking alot. not sure what the spring and Damper wheel settings changed. I felt no difference. Though those ff settings seem a bit week to me.


...off to bed, will test more tomorrow.

With 400 degrees of rotation, I use 21-23 degrees steering lock.

FF settings are your own preference, you can up the 66% up to 100% if you want. But you'll need to hire Schwartzenegger  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: BACKO on June 27, 2007, 02:47:03 AM +0100
Hate that track, Enna is king :). However the wooden tub makes at least fun to go around.

Nice starting battle with a pink TVR ;). He was a fair bit faster but, being nice and steady, there was no way past. Shame you fell off, as it was fair but hard stuff. Great fun. Then i felt madd's cold, clammy breath for the rest of the race. Shame we couldn't get it on with shatted tyres at the end, but relieved to take home the wooden trophy tonight :)

Just one moan, Backo please use your limiter button in the pitlane during quali ???. I had to avoid you twice, its rather impolite and unnecessary.

I'm sorry,next time I'll use limiter every time!!!What's amazing race  for me was!!!Whole race I've been pushed by McClean so was for me very hard race.I did some mistake also my setting wasn't  good and my tyres after 25 min of race started loose grip.We had really nice overtaking but I finally  kept 4th position!!!I really enjoyed this race so far!!!!! ;DSiya soon on track! ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: purdie on June 27, 2007, 08:19:45 AM +0100
After some intense close racing I  was able to pass all but Paul Richards.....I didn't know Paul Richards is such a stubborn guy - he utterly refused to make any mistake for all of the last 15 minutes.

hahaha, tell me about! Sat a few car lengths from his rear bumper for the first 25mins and no mistakes! same with me tho, until the last 15mins, doh!  :-X


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Mark J on June 27, 2007, 09:30:22 AM +0100
an eve to forget, i probably shouldnt have even attempted to race. I didnt get home until 8 mins of qually left, :( dived in anyway. Only got chance to do two clean laps but without warm up/praccy only qualied a lowly 16th, about 1.5 secs off my PB   :-X
Race started surprisingly well considering lack of track time. I harried and passed about 4-5 cars and soon found myself behind the TT/Paul968 fight for 10th place.  8)
I also had a hard charging recovering JonM chasing me whilst i was squaring up Pauls Mosler for a pass, the only place seeming possible being the s/f straight. I duly set myself up for it after a lap or two following, but as i put the power down exiting the corner on the s/f straight to get a draft on Pauls car, the car understeered me into a spin and i went right around onto the grass.
Rejoined a few places down, sped around to the esses, caught a kerb, had a huge power spin  :o without hitting anything, but rejoined in a lowly 17th place.
Was making no headway as guests had arrived that the missus was duly entertaining and all concentration had gone knowing they were downstairs so i quit out. :(
Without the distractions, the car had a top 10 finish in it but i was way too un-focused to capitalise....knew i should have sat it out but the racing bug got the better of me. ::) Damn guests turning up on race night...dont they know !!! ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Paul968 on June 27, 2007, 10:21:21 AM +0100
Another intense and enjoyable evening in the Mosler. Pleased to get the GTC pole which left me right in the mid field with a bunch of RSRs and 360s around. The end of the pace lap was tricky again, which meant I got distracted and missed the limiter button at the start - sorry TT. Had several laps holding TT off until he got past into T3. Then had many laps fending off different GT2 cars which probably stressed the tyres more than I needed to be honest. Towards the end I could see Nev and Simon battling in my mirrors a few seconds back, and when Nev got past I knew I had a fight on. Just as he caught me though my engine let go so it was game over  :( Shame, as the last 8 minutes fighting Nev would have been brilliant. Not sure I could have held him off though - he seemed to have much fresher tyres than me at that stage.

Well done to Ruskus, Nev and the podiums. Can I make a suggestion about the pace lap? How about saying that drivers must leave at least a car's length to the car in front when on the limiter? The problem we are seeing is that cars are too close and keep having to back off, but there isn't much point - there is not much chance of making a place into T1 since you have to wait for the car in front to go, so an extra car's length won't affect things much. Worth a try perhaps?

Paul

[Edit] Just to add that I don't normally blow engines, especially in a sprint race, but then I've only done a couple of races in a Mosler. I think what may have happened is that I forgot to open up the radiator from my qual setup, although I can't be sure. Oh well, maybe I'll set the limiter slightly lower next time just to be sure.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Paul Richards on June 27, 2007, 10:51:28 AM +0100
After some intense close racing I  was able to pass all but Paul Richards.....I didn't know Paul Richards is such a stubborn guy - he utterly refused to make any mistake for all of the last 15 minutes.

hahaha, tell me about! Sat a few car lengths from his rear bumper for the first 25mins and no mistakes! same with me tho, until the last 15mins, doh!  :-X

That might be due to my slow but steady driving miss daisy style  ;D  To be honest at the rate Jan dissappeared into the distance after the first few laps I had much more to lose by over pushing the tyres or making a mistake trying to go too fast. I was sorry to see Baracus spin on the first lap but it sounds like he did well to avoid running into the back of me. On Med-Med I had to take it quite easy on the first fast lap and I am not sure I would of held him off for long during the early stages!

With you chasing hard Andy at the start I just tried to make sure that I didn't make any mistakes and as long as I was exiting the corners at good speed it is pretty hard to pass here. Eventually, I guess as your tyres wore, I was able to eek out a small gap and when TT challanged I was able to increase this a bit more as you battled. Once TT got passed I had one eye on the race clock and pressed on. TT was getting pretty close towards the end but with my tyres in pretty good nick I was able to stay away. Congrats to the podiums and back luck to teamie Paul for his engine failure. After my error strewn 7th at Enna in this championship last race I am pleased with an error free 7th at my first race here. Looking forward to the enduro masters on Sunday.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: jan duijs on June 27, 2007, 11:00:25 AM +0100
Couldn't wait...gave those settings a quick blast.

Not sure about the degrees of rotation but the in game brake settings helped with braking alot. not sure what the spring and Damper wheel settings changed. I felt no difference. Though those ff settings seem a bit week to me.


...off to bed, will test more tomorrow.

With 400 degrees of rotation, I use 21-23 degrees steering lock.

FF settings are your own preference, you can up the 66% up to 100% if you want. But you'll need to hire Schwartzenegger  ;D

I have more or less the same settings for a week now(stumbled on a forum post at simchallenge.com where the super aliens Gregor Huttu and Roland Enhstrom had their settings explained) and i must say IT WORKS,but i must stress this, when using the out game settings as posted by JR you must
have the wheellock ingame at 23 degrees.The G25 is super wheel the only backdraw are the unvoluntary down/upshifts every once in a while,the flippers are too sensetive in my opion.(cost me 15 sec last night).Last nights race was lonely for me saw MarkMC an Backo but could not get close stayed sixth as the
the softs went a bit worn.
Congrats JR on your 2000th post ;D

Jan


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 27, 2007, 12:50:21 PM +0100
I have more or less the same settings for a week now(stumbled on a forum post at simchallenge.com where the super aliens Gregor Huttu and Roland Enhstrom had their settings explained) and i must say IT WORKS,but i must stress this, when using the out game settings as posted by JR you must
have the wheellock ingame at 23 degrees.The G25 is super wheel the only backdraw are the unvoluntary down/upshifts every once in a while,the flippers are too sensetive in my opion.(cost me 15 sec last night).Last nights race was lonely for me saw MarkMC an Backo but could not get close stayed sixth as the
the softs went a bit worn.
Congrats JR on your 2000th post ;D

Jan


I got my settings from the exact same thread  ;D.

If you have double up or downshifts, try keydelay: http://www.auyu41.dsl.pipex.com/KeyDelay.zip

Yeah, I noticed I had 2000+ posts when I had 2006, so I was too late  ;D. On to 3000 quickly :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Kerr on June 27, 2007, 01:23:28 PM +0100
My pedal settings were already very similar anyway.

I like the 23 degree steering lock with 400 degree rotation. Makes the car feel really nice and tight and easier and smoother to change direction. I noticed it made the tail end nearly impossible to spin out due to the extra control. I'm sure I will prove that wrong during racing sometime soon.

However I have never liked force feedback. I have always used a constant weighted wheel.

I tried exactly the setting you posted and I feel force feedback is just unnatural. I did a couple of laps and I feel it's actually steering for you. Without any input from yourself the car directly heads for the apex on every turn.

It's more like the car driving itself and you stopping it turning too far and not you fully in control, if you understand what I mean.

For instance as you approach the corner the wheel seems to move itself and pull the car right on line to the apex, all you do is hold back the steering when the correct amount of lock is applied.

It maybe sounds a good thing hitting every apex, but it's not for me. I dare say once you are used to it, it will be helpful but as i say not for me


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: mo on June 27, 2007, 01:27:24 PM +0100
I think you need to tick the 'Reverse Effects' option in the controller setup screen. The wheel shouldn't be pulled toward the apex, it should resist being turned in just like a real car.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 27, 2007, 01:29:39 PM +0100
I think you need to tick the 'Reverse Effects' option in the controller setup screen. The wheel shouldn't be pulled toward the apex, it should resist being turned in just like a real car.

Yes indeed. A VERY important feature with Logitech wheels. If you didn't already tick that option, no wonder it feels weird  :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Kerr on June 27, 2007, 01:35:56 PM +0100
Sometimes obvious things, are not obvious. I never as much as noticed

I'm off to work now feeling like a plank!

You should try reverse, it does try to take corner for you and gets every apex


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Reign Man on June 27, 2007, 02:04:46 PM +0100
Ah! I did not change the steering angle ingame when I tried changing the degree rotation. I shall try that later!

With 400 degrees of rotation, I use 21-23 degrees steering lock.

FF settings are your own preference, you can up the 66% up to 100% if you want. But you'll need to hire Schwartzenegger  ;D

I didn't mean strength sorry!. I meant effects. I  have Full Effects at 50%. (Thinking about increasing to 55%) Increasing the Strength to 111% in the wheel set up really made a difference , especially over the kerbs.

I have played around with the Damper and spring settings and think that you are really missing out having them at 0%. I really like the feedback you get from them when you get out of shape but you have to really muscle the wheel in those cases. It doesn't make me go any quicker but it's a lot of fun!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: DynoDaz on June 27, 2007, 05:11:13 PM +0100
I agree Reign.  I've tried the feedback effect setting on 'low' in the past and haven't been impressed by it.  I find it far more entertaining to have the setting at 'full' with FF strength set to 75%.  Ok it probably makes me go slower because I'm constantly fighting the wheel, but at least I get a good shoulder and arm workout during a 2 hour enduro.  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: ossie on June 27, 2007, 06:32:29 PM +0100

Nice starting battle with a pink TVR ;). He was a fair bit faster but, being nice and steady, there was no way past. Shame you fell off, as it was fair but hard stuff. Great fun. Then i felt madd's cold, clammy breath for the rest of the race. Shame we couldn't get it on with shatted tyres at the end, but relieved to take home the wooden trophy tonight :)

Hehe. I had some fun trying to find my way past but, it's just a shame I messed it up. I'm still not comfortable on the brakes and I just overdid it in turn one.

I got back on the road and started to catch the 4 car train again but it looked like it fell apart with offs and whatnot. I was behind Madd when I was punted off into the gravel by a GT2 in the quick double left hander.  :nono:

After that I didn't have the pace I had at the start until the last few laps, was near Darren a few times but he was having a worse race than me and quit I think.

I have no idea how to set up the car with the wheel (not that i was any good setting up with the stick!), I need to get some major practice time in.

Hope to see Madd in the Masters Enduro as our pace was very close.

Reign Man
Ah! I did not change the steering angle ingame when I tried changing the degree rotation. I shall try that later!

With 400 degrees of rotation, I use 21-23 degrees steering lock.

FF settings are your own preference, you can up the 66% up to 100% if you want. But you'll need to hire Schwartzenegger  ;D

I didn't mean strength sorry!. I meant effects. I  have Full Effects at 50%. (Thinking about increasing to 55%) Increasing the Strength to 111% in the wheel set up really made a difference , especially over the kerbs.

I have played around with the Damper and spring settings and think that you are really missing out having them at 0%. I really like the feedback you get from them when you get out of shape but you have to really muscle the wheel in those cases. It doesn't make me go any quicker but it's a lot of fun!


Think that maight have been me. Many apologies, thought I had the speed and space to squeeze through but the car drifted wide into the side of you.  ???SORRY


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Adam Parle on June 28, 2007, 08:44:47 AM +0100
Hi all dont know whats going to happen in future but new gf is visiting at weekend will keep you posted.As she lives miles away suspect I will only be able to do mid week soon.cheers gerald ps she's gorgeous so the on line racing is not such a big attraction

Good luck keeping it up .... juggling racing and lady-folk I mean ;) ;D .


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Kerr on June 28, 2007, 08:46:01 AM +0100
Hi all dont know whats going to happen in future but new gf is visiting at weekend will keep you posted.As she lives miles away suspect I will only be able to do mid week soon.cheers gerald ps she's gorgeous so the on line racing is not such a big attraction

Just make sure she is on the 7pm train and you will be alright!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Paul Richards on June 28, 2007, 12:04:51 PM +0100
Thanks for posting up those settings Ruskus. I gave them a go and although I was doing the same times it felt a bit strange to me! It seemed to go from hardly any resistance to sudden bolts of it as the car gets out of shape. I might try just changing the rotation setting (and the lock setting in game) and leaving the rest alone to see if I prefer that as it seems to be popular.

Like Brian I never used to have FF until I got this wheel but played around a bit and got it set up to a point that felt natural to me. RM in case you want to try mine here they are. I doubt you will go any faster but I get on best with these feel wise.
 
From memory

In CP:
Degrees rotation 260 <--- use wheel lock of 13 - 18 in game depending on track
Overall Strength 100%
Spring effects 100%
Damper effects 100%
Centre Spring enabled 60%

In game
Steering 50%
Throttle 50%
Brake 50%
Clutch 50% <--- use auto clutch so only used for getting out of gravel traps  ;D

no deadzones

Specialised effect G25
Reverse effects enabled
Effects: Full
FF Strength 29% <--- yep I am a weed  :'( 

I use the shifter in Sequential mode with auto clutch in game. I then have the paddles for looking left and right (both for behind) for getting out of peoples way! Use the buttons on wheel for lights and pit limiter and a couple of those on the shifter for ignition and starter.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Jeffrey on June 28, 2007, 12:22:26 PM +0100
Center srping isn't realle necessary as the game already supports it's own.

I've read that setting FF on low is the best on ISI based racegames. Don't ask me why, but I've read that numerous times. Probably because the FF comes too late and you'll respond too late.

I had these settings before

Degrees rotation 270 <--- use wheel lock of 13 - 18 in game depending on track
Overall Strength 100%
Spring effects 100%
Damper effects 100%
Centre Spring enabled 0%

In game
Steering 50%
Throttle 40%
Brake 35%
Clutch 50%

Specialised effect G25
Reverse effects enabled
Effects: High
FF Strength 100%

You can also try those if you want. I've only been racing with the new settings since Enna, and I've gotta say the results didn't become worst :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Paul Richards on June 28, 2007, 12:40:07 PM +0100
Thanks Ruskus.

I think I will have a play with the centre spring and the rotation on my current setup and see how it goes. See you sunday


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Reign Man on June 28, 2007, 02:02:01 PM +0100
Thanks Paul,

I currently have:-

Degrees rotation 300 (gonna try reducing to 270)
Overall Strength 111%
Spring effects 100%
Damper effects 100%
Centre Spring enabled 0%

In Game

Steering 50%
Throttle 40%
Brake 35% (think I might slightly increase this to around 43)
Clutch 50% (auto clutch using paddles. Plan on learning to use the shifter properly for S6)

Specialised effect G25

Reverse Effects enabled
Effects: Full
FF Strength 60%



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Paul Richards on June 28, 2007, 02:36:52 PM +0100
Thats pretty close to mine RM but you obviously have more upper arm strength than me! Good luck with the practicing on the new wheel I am sure you will get used to it in no time. I am going to try turning off the centre spring force, it might be why my left hand was killing me after those long corners at Enna! 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Oschersleben (GP) - Jun 26
Post by: Kerr on June 28, 2007, 03:56:09 PM +0100
I have tried the 400 degree motion and 23 degree steering lock and i'm really liking it.                   I just feel you have more precision and control over the front end of car. Also with more feeling and precision and 23 degree lock applied over 400 degree steering I now dont apply too much steering and get tyre scrub.                             Also now i find it smoother to drive and easier to exit corners with the back end straight too.          seemed to be the law with a few cars i tried.     It does however mean more efforts at hairpins. The first couple of times I did not turn enough but I guess I will learn