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Title: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on June 28, 2007, 11:40:13 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:00(15 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:15(10 mins)reserves (not Clubmen) may join too
Qual 1:20:25(5 mins)Clubmen may join too
Qual 2:20:30(25 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1, G2, GT2, GTC or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (G2 and GT3 cars will not score points).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Oschersleben GP 2004
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Endurance Masters
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=371) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=52)
(2b) Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(2c) Drivers with a full time spot in the Endurance Clubmen should only take G2 or GT3 cars. Other reserves may take any permitted car.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Kerr on June 28, 2007, 11:45:39 AM +0100
If there is a slot left for me come quali 1, I'm up for a race.

I guess it will have to be the little 911 cup. Hope I have some company though


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Kerr on June 29, 2007, 09:49:06 AM +0100
Any other reserves looking to join in?

What car will you be driving?

I'm just wanting to make sure I have someone to race against!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jeffrey on June 29, 2007, 10:06:37 AM +0100
Any other reserves looking to join in?

What car will you be driving?

I'm just wanting to make sure I have someone to race against!

If you want I can put my Viper CC setup on the Team Shark forum. Not that you'll like it, but it's the gesture that counts  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Mark J on June 29, 2007, 10:51:13 AM +0100
Am hoping to race in a GT3 cup car too, but all depends on how much sodding work i wade through at the weekend  :(
So 50/50 as to whether i can make it yet, hope so


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Kerr on June 29, 2007, 11:52:31 AM +0100
Any other reserves looking to join in?

What car will you be driving?

I'm just wanting to make sure I have someone to race against!

If you want I can put my Viper CC setup on the Team Shark forum. Not that you'll like it, but it's the gesture that counts  ;D

I don't think many people will go with the Viper cc will they? 

What are the choices of car, the 911 cup, Viper cc, BMW ZM3 and is the 911 GT2 that is classed as G2 in skins fine to use?

I had a quick go with them all. The 911 GT2 was quickest, second the Viper. The 911 cup just seemed raw fun.

Stick the set up Ruskus and I will see how I get on. The viper had massive understeer that I could not cure in my 20 minutes practice with it


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jeffrey on June 29, 2007, 12:13:05 PM +0100
I don't think many people will go with the Viper cc will they? 

What are the choices of car, the 911 cup, Viper cc, BMW ZM3 and is the 911 GT2 that is classed as G2 in skins fine to use?

I had a quick go with them all. The 911 GT2 was quickest, second the Viper. The 911 cup just seemed raw fun.

Stick the set up Ruskus and I will see how I get on. The viper had massive understeer that I could not cure in my 20 minutes practice with it

Understeer is not a problem anymore with the setup I used ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: will16v on June 30, 2007, 01:08:41 PM +0100
If there is a slot left for me come quali 1, I'm up for a race.

I guess it will have to be the little 911 cup. Hope I have some company though

I'll be there in the 911 Cup deffo


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on June 30, 2007, 01:57:19 PM +0100
I don't think many people will go with the Viper cc will they? 

I will if I get round in time to make the race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: ginsters sponsored on June 30, 2007, 02:12:43 PM +0100
If this ruddy rain continues, I'll be allowed out to play in the viper :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: purdie on June 30, 2007, 03:40:41 PM +0100
Track: Enna

?? lol, just beeing picky! looking forward to it!!  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: JonM_uk on July 01, 2007, 01:53:13 PM +0100
I might miss this one :( I'll try my best to get back in time from my mothers.
She went away on holiday with her partner of 14 years. I got a phone call at 6.45am before work and she told me that they got married on holiday :o Hehe, sneaky bugger kept it a secret(wedding plans) for a year and a half :D Anyway they're having a little get together at their home at around 5pm so I'll see what happens. If I don't see you, have a good one all.

Jon


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Kerr on July 01, 2007, 04:47:44 PM +0100
So 2 for viper and one for 911 cup.

Any more so I can decide


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Madd-RIP on July 01, 2007, 06:58:39 PM +0100
Hope to be able to race but may have to leave at any time, due to Lee's Nan being so ill.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Fred Joseph on July 01, 2007, 07:31:12 PM +0100
psw (both race of practice) don't seem to work ?  ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Nevski on July 01, 2007, 08:47:12 PM +0100
Sod's law - first race this season I have actually had the time to make a setup for the GT1 endurance series, and I was really looking forward to this one with sub 1:21s already achieved with the Lister, plus great tyre endurance for the long runs. The most annoying part is, I actually did the laps online today with the UKGTR2 server, and of course the track was dry as a bone. Then I go on the server two hours later for the qualifying and it's a swimming pool  ::)

I tried a couple of laps with inters and wets but with all the spray and headlights on my fps had nosedived to the point where it was undriveable, so I had to quit out. Remind me never to practice for these events ever again. I forget once every year or so and something silly like this always happens  :-X


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: tarec on July 01, 2007, 09:13:05 PM +0100
lost conection for me :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: ginsters sponsored on July 01, 2007, 09:19:19 PM +0100
Not much fun that. The ruddy rain has ruined my weekend :).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Mark J on July 01, 2007, 09:43:52 PM +0100
i thought it was great fun in the rain, very atmospheric with the reflections off the track, water plumes and headlights  8)

Unfortunately i had one too many spins constantly watching fast approaching cars in my mirrors or moving off line for them and didnt want to ruin anyones race so i quit half way through. The speed difference on this tight track and the wet was just too risky to continue.

Good fun though, we should have more wet races to shake the grid up  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: pribeiro on July 01, 2007, 09:45:17 PM +0100
I wrote this, after the GT2/GTC dry race:
This is a hard track to overtake, we only can do it safelly, when someone make a mistake,
spinning or go wide in a corner.

Let me intensificate these words in wet race

Congratulations to all that finished race.

Cheers






Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 01, 2007, 10:30:00 PM +0100
So near and yet so far.

Got home with 15 minutes to spare, managed to get a slightly non-carp setup for the VCC and settled down for a steady race.

Took hard wets which were the wrong choice for about the first 15 or 20 minutes; just couldn't get any heat in them at all, kept running off both with cold tyres and letting people through - dark cars don't show up well in the mirrors in the rain!

Gradually the rain eased off and the hards started to come good. Fuel usage was well down on normal and I ran through until about 25 minutes before the end without any need to stop. Finally the hards were starting to overheat unless I ran off line to pick up cool water, so I pitted for a splash of fuel and some intermediates, which aren't normally any good to anyone but in this case the conditions were just right for a few laps and I set a PB lap almost straight out of the pits.

Was miles behind Kerr in GT3 but kept pushing as he was obviously struggling too and eventually he spun in front, I spun in sympathy, and 4 minutes from the end a gentle touch in the barriers killed my engine. :'(

Sorry to all the lapping cars who were caught ought by me - the Viper is a handful at the best of times and in the wet with no proper setup... yikes! :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jeffrey on July 01, 2007, 10:38:48 PM +0100
Wow what an interesting race!

It already started with qually. I did 2 laps in qually 1 and my time was right behind TT. I knew I had some time over in a sector, so I hoped to do a clean lap in Q2. Problem was, Q1 was wet, Q2 was flooded and times were 3s slower :o. So now way to take pole like that.

And then the race. TT was much MUCH faster than me in the first 10 laps. I think he started on soft wets. I took a gamble on hard wets, but for the first 10 laps they weren't hotter than 53 degrees C  ::). So to say the least, they were slippery  ;D.
I had Paul right behind me as well, and I had to work hard to try and keep him behind. Then TT made a mistake in the triple left hander and I was in first.
Not much laps later, he was behind Paul again in 3rd. He was on fire at that stage. He overtook the both of us and drove off again. Well done  :thumbup2:.
He made a few more mistaks at the triple left hander, but everytime his lead was big enough to keep him in 1st place.
I calculated I needed around 130L to finish. So when I had 70L left (started with 100L), I though about pitting in and go for softs. But at that time I noticed my tires were heating up (60 degrees). So I stayed out and I could even close up on TT a bit.
Halfway through the race TT went in the pits. I stayed out untill 25 minutes to go, and 15L of fuel left.
Put in 48L and new hards and drove off. Only 3s infront of TT.
I looked like he was going to gain again, but the gap increased and eventually he made an error and also another pitstop.

At the beginning of the race it was looking very bad for me, so I'm surprised I actually lapped the whole field and won.

I had no problems with lapping other cars, and I hope none had the same with me.

Grats to Simon on the GT2 win and (...) for the GTC win (sorry, couldn't see).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Madd-RIP on July 01, 2007, 10:39:04 PM +0100
Bit of a lottery that one, I must say sorry to Colin Hines, tried to avoid but it was just too wet.  :'(
The Morgan was pretty good tbh but as I didn't have a wet setup (no suprise there) it was always going to be a bit of a chance. Still many spins, slides and a few VERY dodgy lappings by GT1's and it was over.
Nice to finally have a wet race, I could hassle much faster cars in the beginning so it was quite enjoyable in that respect!
I think whoever has to write the report on this one is going to be VERY busy  :D

PS twas me Jeff  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: mo on July 01, 2007, 10:39:31 PM +0100
Toughest race ever for me, hauling the Viper round in the rain. Need a shower now for sure
Chose hard tyres for the first stint thinking that the softs wouldn't last on Viper's rear end. They were absolutely rubbish and rear tyress temps were in the 50s for many laps :o
The only way to heat them was to slide around which turned out to be quite easy with my crap pedals. Sorry for all the GT2/GTC cars I had to pass after my first (of many) off, I'm sure I held you guys up but I was verrrrrry slow at corner apex and exit.

For some reason tyre temps were much higher in the second stint - maybe my pit crew stuck a set of softs on at the pit stop? Did anyone else get higher tyre temps as the race went on..... it may have been a getting a bit "drier" on line.

Anyway grats to TT on pole in the rain- your avatar is spot on TT ;)

Grats also to Ruskus on lapping EVERYONE but you did have the right car for the job m8 ;D

ps. more wet races please!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Kerr on July 01, 2007, 10:40:05 PM +0100
That was hard to say the least.

Struggled very badly with the car, but is seemed everyone was in the same boat. Cars everywhere!

It was hard to concentrate on my own race as the fast cars were coming thick and fast. I did my best to allow space but it's pretty damn hard at times. Tried staying wide a few times and found when I did this because of the wet I ended up so wide I was on the grass.

Found the safest method was to sacrifice a few seconds by slowing right down on straights.

Messed up my strategy by bumping the barrier after 30Min's and getting a puncture. It meant my rear tyres were useless for the last 15-20Min's.

Had one spell after the pit stop and seemed to manage 3-4 laps with no fast cars to worry about. Actually managed a few fast laps and was happy, but as soon as the fast guys approach again, it very hard to control your own car trying to make way.

It really knocks you out your stride and then you find you can't see the next braking point coming.

I did my best to keep out of lapping cars. A couple of misunderstandings that I can only apologise for.

Sorry also Dave for that spin towards the end. I could barely control car. I guess you lost it because of me?

The car was smooth at times, but suddenly had wild oversteer that you could not catch.

I now understand how hard it is to be a backmarker with GT1 and GT2s to contend with.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 01, 2007, 10:40:34 PM +0100
Wow! What a race, was very intense without really battling wheel to wheel. Had a dire qualifying session with bad tyre choice and having to go out to turn v-sync off so it would run smoothly. No idea where I started, must have been 6th or so in class.

Started on hard wets and not quite full tank (even in dry I didn't need extra fuel with my frugal usage). First couple of laps was like on ice and I figured they just needed warming up, but they never got above 55 degrees. It was awful and although I could keep it on the track it was stupidly slow. So I pitted after about 15 minutes to get soft wets. I came out I think second to last. Immediately I was going 6 seconds a lap faster and I started to cut through the field again after a while back to where I was before I pitted. However, not too long into the soft wet stint the rain eased off and the soft wets temperatures were rocketing and impossible to keep cool. Anyway I decided to put up with it cause my lap times were still great and I was catching people fast. Eventually when everyone else had made their compulsary stops or tyre stops I was in the lead in class, my early pit stop had really paid dividends.

Managed to get to about 15 minutes to the end before the softs were so bad it was starting to get really difficult to get the car round the corners again. Knew I had a big lead over 2nd in class anyway so stopped for hard wets for the last 15 minutes to have a safe run to the flag. After that I was cruising doing great lap times and extending my lead a lot.

The wet really suits my style as I can drive very smoothly when I want to and I managed to get a good wet setup (apparently) in the qualifying sessions for the race.

I really enjoyed that wet race was great to mix it up a lot after soooo many "easy" dry races. The rain easing off part way through, tyre choices and having to cool tyres really brought so much strategy into the racing, I hope for even more wet weather.

Grats to Jeff on the GT1 win.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Luis Branco on July 01, 2007, 10:45:48 PM +0100
The wet track was a (good) surprise to break the habit. ;)
Took Q2 to find a balanced setup for the wet race and was able to take 2nd and the same time which was very good.
For the race took soft wet and with it I put some good lap times but suddenly tire temps begin to raise tremendous to the point I had 130ยบ in rear tires. Went for an early pit as I though race line is becoming drier and could stand intermediates. What an awful mistake. I never was able to put a decent time and lost 1 to 1,5 seconds (when not more) for the previous lap times, even when with hot soft wets. Should have gone out with hard wets instead. :-\
The intermediates lacked grip all over the place which forced me to make several big mistakes where I lost even more time.

Congrats to the winners.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jeffrey on July 01, 2007, 10:46:47 PM +0100
Grats also to Ruskus on lapping EVERYONE but you did have the right car for the job m8 ;D

That might just be very true. The C5R is very stable and quite good on tires and fuel. The Saleen is a bit better in the rain (more downforce), but the C5R feels great.
Nice one in the Viper, as it took me alot of time to come close to you.

GRATS MADD-RIP  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Kerr on July 01, 2007, 10:47:48 PM +0100
I will take the dry anyday!

On saying that I'm not used to the 911 cup and did not even have a set up for wet.

I better practice in the wet for the future.

I was on practice server right up until race and it was nice and sunny. I thought it would carry on the same weather for the race


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: will16v on July 01, 2007, 10:52:22 PM +0100
Nightmare - i haven't really raced at all in the wet since my old system just couldn't handle the rain/reflections/headlights etc etc, but got it going at around 50fps with new system, so not too bad...just my driving that was absolutely terrible!

Tapped Dave on lap two i think, and was all over the shop by lap 3/4. Put a bit of praccy in also, but only in the dry - thought it was gonna be a nice break from the English weather - oh well... :-\

I retired before i caused anyone any real problems, as i really do need to practice racing in these conditions...take my hat off to all that managed to even last half way  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: linco24 on July 01, 2007, 10:53:15 PM +0100
Well, where to start.

First off, no worries Madd. Had a good battle with you. Shame it didnt last as long as it should have. I lost out in the end.

BIG apology to Pribeiro, thought I could stay close without hitting you as i've been confident on the brakes. Should have backed off, really sorry mate.

Other than that the race was a disaster. Hard wets didn't have any grip for me on my set-up. Spun too many times missing my braking point.

Then on my second stint I put on softs and reduced my fuel as I thought i'd calculated too much. Softs died with about 5/6 laps to go after a great battle with Reign Man. Then I had to conserve fuel from then on in and actually crossed the line ready run dry.

One to forget. Congratulations to Ruskus again, and podium finishers.

Regards
Colin


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: picnic on July 01, 2007, 10:55:20 PM +0100
Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/Oschersleben%20-%20Endurance%20Masters%20070701.zip) plus provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=371) and standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=52)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jeffrey on July 01, 2007, 10:59:47 PM +0100
Grats to Leuven for the GT2 championship and me with GT1  ;).

GTC looks very close  :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jeffrey on July 01, 2007, 11:00:35 PM +0100


Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Oscherleben Enduro Masters 01-07-2007/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Madd-RIP on July 01, 2007, 11:04:34 PM +0100
Reign Man will win as I'm on holiday for 2 weeks  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Reign Man on July 01, 2007, 11:12:46 PM +0100
Thats a shame Madd! I think you would have won the last two. You've one 95% of the other races :D

Not a good race for me. I was all over the place. I could not see a thing. managed to get a bit of consistancy on the last half of the race when i was fighting with Colin but other than that, it was a pretty poor performance.

One to forget.

Was looking forward to magny, but it will be a bits lonely I think with no Madd to beat me...

RM



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: purdie on July 01, 2007, 11:20:13 PM +0100
got lucky when i put a good time in on q1 and started on GT2 pole.

bad start and luis got past and i kept with him for a while. Same as him as on soft wets and they soon overheated, after pitting i tried to adjust it to hard wets on the rear and somehow managed to select No Change!

Had to pit again for new rears after getting 160 degrees in two laps!!! lost loadsa time and eventually crashed out......over driving after being annoyed at myself!!  ??? :cursing:

Grats Ruskus on GT1 win! and grats Simon on GT2 win....good come back and consistent driving by him  :)



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Truetom on July 01, 2007, 11:52:17 PM +0100
Once upon a time lived a man and he went to see his newborn child to the hospital. He asked around and they directed him to the area where babies were kept. He came to the first room with a sign "IQ over 150". Not too hopeful he went in but the nurse said his baby is not there. He went to the next room with the sign "IQ 150-90". He went in confidently but the nurse said his baby is not there. He was a bit said as he went to the next room with a sign "IQ under 90". But his baby wasn't even in there. So he went on and on the last door there was a sign "Truetom".  :stupid:

I think I cooled down enough to write a report. Or maybe not (pops open another beer). Ok.  ::)
Q1 - lucky to have the best time as Q2 was flooded. How was the warmup lap - I don't have much experience in that.  :)
Yes, Ruskus, I started on soft wets - what else can you put on when it's flooded?  ???  Car was going superb and I didn't believe my times - wtf, do I have a speedbug?  ???  Looking into my mirrors I forgot to brake into the 3 - left handed corner. Mistake N'1.
Managed to recover and drove more carefully (with only 2 more mistakes) to half of the race. Even managed to overtake Paul968 and Ruskus.  :jumpjoy: (Sorry, that was the first time  ;D ). The car was slowing down and I assumed it was due to worn tyres. When I pitted I was surprised to see my tyres were not so worn (only about 15).  ???  I also saw I'm using much less fuel. What did I do? "Ok, guys, give me another set of soft wets and only 60 litres of fuel! Hurry up!" The crew looked at me with incredulity on their faces. 3,4,5 second. "HURRY UP, GODDAMIT!" Ok, slow motion goes into motion. Came back on track but the car was going nowhere. Then I got enlightened - MAYBE it's not because of the tyres?! Oh yea, look at the track, look at the sky (no raindrops), do you hear the tyres scraping the dry tarmac?  :dots: :censored: :eek: :stupid: :helpsmilie:

Ok, what is, is done. You're still 2nd, go, drive, others have yet to pit. Rusky is far, but not that far! Ok. Drivers went to pit and finaly I was second again, Ruskus 1.07.xxx in front. Go slow, go stable, the third is 45 seconds behind. Rusky PITS! OK! GO! Damn, he's out, 3 sec infront. His tyres are cold, press him, cloooseeer! WTF? 2 sec in one lap? No way. Ok, go stable, the hothead may still make a mistake.  :devil: No? No.  >:(  Ok, 2nd is ok. Driving.  :yawn: :sleep1:  Go on wet part of the track, cool the tyres down.  :yawn: :sleep1:
10 minutes to go: "You're low on fuel. Pit at the end of this lap."  ??? :stupid: :death: :censored: :dots: :cursing: :blink: :scared: :wacko: :helpsmilie:

Pit: "Ok, guys, give me fuel for 15 minutes, no tyres change. Go!"  3,4,5 seconds. "GOOOOOOOOOO!". They must have been confused.  Or vengeful. Offended, maybe?  ::)  They put 60 litres of fuel in and changed my tyres to unknown dry component. Yes. Really! No, I'm NOT joking.  :'(

4th back on track, with no chance of holding the fifth (JonM) behind. I wanted to give up. But also, I wanted to give my superb car, which luckily heroically achieved the best Q1 position a chance to finish. Jon went by. Really? Didn't even notice, was too busy keeping my car on WET track wearing DRY tyres. 5th - and I must be satisfied, right?  :P

Dave, please add another smilie and name it Truetom. But it has too look REALLY stupid, ok?!  :hang:

Congrats to all who finished and to Ruskus for a great tactical driving. And to all other drivers, smarter than me (ugh, all of them!  ::) ). Sorry to PRibeiro, who spinned while letting me through.  :(  Sorry to another (dunno who) driver who I hooked while we were desperately trying to decide who's gonna take which line.  :blink:

All of these (apart from my stupid pit-crew) would not have happened if we (I) had more experience with wet races. To smartly realize when the track is getting DRY!   :-[

Damn, I work tomorrow. Can't even get drunk!  :taz:

TT   



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jeffrey on July 02, 2007, 12:09:30 AM +0100
Sorry TT, but that post was hilariously sarcastic  ;D. That first part, I was just waiting for the clue  :lol:

You are right about tires. Flooded=softs, wet=hards, damp=inters or slicks. But at my PC it said wet, so I went for hards. Also because the front left often heats up alot at Oschers, and I expected the softs to overheat quickly. When I noticed that hards were the wrong option, I just kept driving untill I could do 1 stop, but by that time the weather changed and hards were the right option.

Idea for Legends. Keep the booze and smokes for yourself, and don't share them with your pitcrew  ;D.

Hothead  ;)

P.S. Formation lap was perfect, I was thinking that during the lap.
What I often do on formation lap (when on pole) is drive in 6th gear for most of the lap. That way you preserve fuel, and acceleration is low, so the chance of sudden gaps due to hard acceleration (and then hard braking) is minimized alot. I don't do that in very sharp hairpins, as then there is a chance for a stall, which is kinda humiliating up front  :-[ ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: purdie on July 02, 2007, 12:31:53 AM +0100
Idea for Legends. Keep the booze and smokes for yourself, and don't share them with your pitcrew  ;D.

lol...can i join the Legends pitcrew?  O0


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Truetom on July 02, 2007, 12:34:25 AM +0100
I was hoping you to be a hothead, but I guess it was me.  ;D And I could use a lot stronger word for me.  ;D
All the same it was a pleasure to drive up front for a change.  :)

TT

Purdie: you can join us inside, with the pitgirls.  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 02, 2007, 07:49:54 AM +0100
Sorry also Dave for that spin towards the end. I could barely control car. I guess you lost it because of me?

Not really - I was struggling to stay in control too and it was just unlucky I tagged the barriers and killed the engine.

Tapped Dave on lap two i think, and was all over the shop by lap 3/4.

To be fair to you I was in the gravel at the time... ::) :laugh: It only took the well-trained Shark mechanics about 6 seconds to fix the damage at my stop.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Paul968 on July 02, 2007, 09:41:27 AM +0100
First real wet race for me, so a bit of a steep learning curve. Not sure how I managed to end up 2nd considering the number of times I went off - I lost count in the end. I went with hard rears and soft fronts from the start, which gave me an initial advantage over Ruskus, and I thought it was just a matter of time before I got past. Then things went downhill, as the rain got worse and the car became almost undriveable. I then proceeded to make a series of mistakes which bumped me back to 5th, and then had yet another battle with Bernie before we both went off lapping a gaggle of traffic. Luckily I got out of the sand first. I continued to make mistakes, but I was gradually learning the places to be careful - the first corner sequence (went wide a few times), the bump rejoining the track before the triple left (went wide several times as a result) and the esses, which at slow speed had a habit of spitting me off into the gravel when normally I'd be fine. By the end of the stint I was getting some consistency but the tyres were shot, so I pitted for new hards all round. After this I was in 5th, then soon after 4th, and then 3rd when Backo crashed. I had settled for this with a decent gap to 4th and time running out, only to see the time to the car ahead suddenly dropping - TT making his 2nd stop. I could then just nurse the car to the finish and a rather undeserved 2nd place.

Great driving from Ruskus again. I'm not sure the Saleen is that much better in the wet though - its a pussycat when the tyres can cope, but it sprouts horns and a tail when they can't. It also heats up the rears very fast, even when hard. Congrats to Simon too with his 2 stop strategy - I saw you in the pits twice and assumed you were having a mare  :o Hard luck to TT, who was blisteringly fast at the start and deserved more :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Paul Richards on July 02, 2007, 10:09:20 AM +0100
Well that was fun while it lasted! Like others after pending a few hours practicing in the dry it turns out to be wet! It was nice to have it wet for a change and after q1 was able to get some sort of car set up for the race. Started 4th and ran wide at the first triple left. Dropped back to mid pack and then while overtaking a GTC car down the back straight completely missed my braking point. Back to 19th I think so decided just to keep it steady. Was able to run at a good pace for the next 30 mins and car felt good. Back up to 7th and was chasing teamie Mo who I could just see in the distance. Entered turn 1 and went a little wide so was destined to enter the inside of turn 2 earlier then normal. Two cars had spun and were on the inside of turn 2. One of them was waiting to come back on and we collided. I tried to limp back to the pits but the car wouldn't turn left and after nearly collecting a couple of cars I decided it best to DNF.

Congrats to the winners and to teammates Paul and Mo on their two podium spots. 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jure on July 02, 2007, 11:35:01 AM +0100
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  :o

was waiting for a wet race for ages. argh. sounds like you had... fun  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: DynoDaz on July 02, 2007, 12:06:04 PM +0100
Damn, looks like I missed a good race...

Sorry I missed this race but BT decided to cut off my internet connection for most of the day.   :taz:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: linco24 on July 02, 2007, 01:44:05 PM +0100
Sorry to hear that Darren. Hopefully we can get a good scrap in the last two rounds with you in your new team. Now that you can gang up on me with MJ! ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: mo on July 02, 2007, 02:12:40 PM +0100
Quick question peeps - could anyone SEE that the track was drying?
I had turned down graphics to crap levels of detail to get good fps but for me the track just looked wet for the whole race. I noticed no difference in the track graphics.
Is this the same for everyone or is it because I had low graphics setting?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 02, 2007, 02:16:10 PM +0100
Quick question peeps - could anyone SEE that the track was drying?
I had turned down graphics to crap levels of detail to get good fps but for me the track just looked wet for the whole race. I noticed no difference in the track graphics.
Is this the same for everyone or is it because I had low graphics setting?

The number of raindrops visible definitely fell during the race - but there was never a dry line, just a lot more spray when moving off line. It never actually totally stopped raining. Here's the race part of the weather file:

Code:
Race
 {
  Conditions=87.00
  OnPathWetness=67.83
  OffPathWetness=70.83
  AmbientTemp=24.00
  TrackTemp=18.00
  Minute=15.00
  {
   Conditions=98.00
   AmbientTemp=21.00
  }
  Minute=28.00
  {
   Conditions=99.00
   AmbientTemp=20.00
  }
  Minute=34.00
  {
   Conditions=93.00
   AmbientTemp=19.00
  }
  Minute=45.00
  {
   Conditions=88.00
   AmbientTemp=20.00
  }
  Minute=53.00
  {
   Conditions=75.00
   AmbientTemp=24.00
  }
  Minute=78.00
  {
   Conditions=76.00
   AmbientTemp=24.00
  }
 }

So it was close to monsoon conditions up until the 34th minute, then eased off a bit towards the hour before getting very slightly wetter again.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: purdie on July 02, 2007, 02:29:59 PM +0100
great info Dave,

i definitely noticed a different amount of rain drops on the screen, and I had soft rears they got to 140 degrees an when i went offline did decrease quicker thna online.!!! i was that bored i noticed at some points!!! lol......but no dry line 'appeared'


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: mo on July 02, 2007, 02:38:17 PM +0100
Cheers guys , good info.
Its a bit difficult to make strategic decisions during the race though when the wet look of the track doesn't change. Also the forecast was the same as current conditions at race start - flooded.
The forecast cant be for more than 20 mins imo and there's no way of looking at it again once the race starts afaik  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 02, 2007, 02:44:07 PM +0100
Graphics wise, yeah there was less rain falling through the sky and I think after a while the racing line was less reflective. The main clue was less spray. Going off-line resulted in lots of spray and on-line not much spray. I have the settings on almost max so I see everything which is very nice.

Special FX graphics settings control the spray levels.
Reflection settings control the reflections.

Best thing to do for better FPS is low headlights and lower shadow settings. Reducing Special FX does help a little in the rain but not a lot. Rain is a lot worse than night because people run with lights on and it's raining so there is double the extra graphics to deal with.

I can do a guide on all the graphics settings if you like, if it helps get FPS better.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: mo on July 02, 2007, 02:58:39 PM +0100
Thanks Simon that explains it - I had reflections and FX set to low so I couldn't notice much change in spray or wetness as the race progressed.
Next time I'll leave the settings higher and choose a lower screen resolution instead which should do the job. I was on 1650x1080 which in hindsight was a bit stoopid  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Truetom on July 02, 2007, 03:03:56 PM +0100
I can do a guide on all the graphics settings if you like, if it helps get FPS better.

I'd like that, Simon - if you can spare the time.  :)   I have a low performance on my graph card since I "upgraded" it and lost the overclocking settings that my friend did. Last night I experienced low fps several times through the race, at the end (doughnuts?) it came as low as 11.  >:(
It's undrivable and dangerous.  :-\

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: purdie on July 02, 2007, 04:21:01 PM +0100
would be much appreciated Simon. I have 2 x 7800 GTs and although they aren't top dogs anymore, the comp still struggles on full graphics. SLi enabled and everything. I dont get it cos i dont understand graphics too much! doh  :-\


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Jure on July 02, 2007, 05:19:07 PM +0100
I can do a guide on all the graphics settings if you like, if it helps get FPS better.

I'd like that, Simon - if you can spare the time.  :)   I have a low performance on my graph card since I "upgraded" it and lost the overclocking settings that my friend did. Last night I experienced low fps several times through the race, at the end (doughnuts?) it came as low as 11.  >:(
It's undrivable and dangerous.  :-\

TT

"insert TT smiley here"

i'm just a phone call away, schmuck  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Truetom on July 02, 2007, 05:35:43 PM +0100
I can do a guide on all the graphics settings if you like, if it helps get FPS better.

I'd like that, Simon - if you can spare the time.  :)   I have a low performance on my graph card since I "upgraded" it and lost the overclocking settings that my friend did. Last night I experienced low fps several times through the race, at the end (doughnuts?) it came as low as 11.  >:(
It's undrivable and dangerous.  :-\

TT

"insert TT smiley here"

i'm just a phone call away, schmuck  :P

 :ninja:   ;D

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Joss on July 02, 2007, 06:28:27 PM +0100
Aw damn, Wudda loved a wet race but got back home at 9:20 :(
There's no Master's enduro thread set-up yet so I'll say it here - I hope I'll be around on Sunday for the race, however I'm about to leave for (a slightly flooded!) Sheffield to compete in the UK corporate games for Intel :D We came second in our "warm up" a couple of months ago, so hope we can go one better! :D

Only a short track though, ah well, usual Karting fare :P

Plan is to be back on sunday night, but not sure yet.
Wish me luck  8)


On the plus side we came back with 7th/about 150 in our sprint races and 1st/about 48 teams in the endurance, got 4 golds and now invited to the world games in Spain - but only if we can get the cash :P

Wrists/back are screwed, but hopefully will make Magny tomorrow. I hope the enduro is wet coss I hate the track with a passion.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: will16v on July 04, 2007, 01:29:41 PM +0100

I can do a guide on all the graphics settings if you like, if it helps get FPS better.

I think this would be very helpful indeed Simon - can you post a guide somewhere?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 Endurance Masters - Oschersleben (GP) - Jul 1
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 04, 2007, 01:39:00 PM +0100

I can do a guide on all the graphics settings if you like, if it helps get FPS better.

I think this would be very helpful indeed Simon - can you post a guide somewhere?

I've made a start on it here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3230.0). I'll try and complete it when I have time.