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Title: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 02, 2007, 09:01:10 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:15(10 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:25(10 mins)reserves may join too when Practice 2 is shown in lobby
Qual 2:20:35(20 mins)
Race:20:55(40 minutes)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (see this thread (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2228.0)).
Weather: Dry
Track: UKGTR Magny Cours GP 2004 v1.0 (download UKGTR Track Pack v1.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27))
Race Start Time 14:00

Server: UKGTR GT2 GTC
Password: available from the event page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=358) (see the Show Password link under the announcement text)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=7) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=49)
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and the track pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers should remember that they get only one free changes of car in each series.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must selecte ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyones' connections will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Kerr on July 10, 2007, 01:32:55 PM +0100
Hopefully be along for this one. I have being enjoying my few GT2 races


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Paul Richards on July 10, 2007, 01:45:46 PM +0100
Yep me too assuming I will get in ok.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: mo on July 10, 2007, 02:13:51 PM +0100
See you later, this really is a great track for the GT2 cars 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Splintheter on July 10, 2007, 02:40:00 PM +0100
YUP, if there is space ill be there, I really enjoyed the race on Sunday......


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Mark J on July 10, 2007, 03:58:17 PM +0100
its a great track full stop. Love the smooth flowing curves of this place, just like Dubai. Seems to suit my driving style...unlike the other 10 tracks of the year. :-[  ;D

I just need to re-emphasise the necessity of getting the fuel level right to my 'new' engineer after i had to, ahem, dispose of my last race engineer ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: psuedo on July 10, 2007, 05:49:39 PM +0100
I will be there.....hopefully for a bit longer than Sunday ;D.

Hope your new engineer is better than the last one mark....and by the way, could you wash the blood and guts off my spanner before you return it....ta. ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: purdie on July 10, 2007, 05:56:44 PM +0100
Hope your new engineer is better than the last one mark....and by the way, could you wash the blood and guts off my spanner before you return it....ta. ;D

lol....sounds like that spanner is going to be contact with the wrong type off nuts!!  :o  :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Kerr on July 10, 2007, 07:05:58 PM +0100
I'm back in plenty of time so if there is a space I'm in.

Looking forward to another good race.

Also hope nobody is offended when I dissapear straight after race.

Suits me the race starts and 20.55 for 40 mins.

That should give me enough time to get into work for a 21.45 start.

I will post a message from work from phone, but the grammar and English will be even worse than normal as I have still not worked out how to change lines.

Good luck to all tonight


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: ginsters sponsored on July 10, 2007, 09:13:25 PM +0100
Mmmm thought pedals were fixed. Good quali. Then nasty spikes in race, almost rear ended tt so quit. You won't see me until replacement bits arrive from BRD >:(. 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Kerr on July 10, 2007, 09:19:32 PM +0100
Another lost connection for me. That is now twice in the last 3 or 4 races. I did reset both PC and modem tonight. So I'm none to happy.

Started a very poor 11th way off the times I was setting in online practice only earlier.

Made a few tweaks to the car and it felt fine.

Chased down Paul Richards for a couple of laps and could not get past as he was holding good lines into bends. Managed to get the run onto main straight and a slipstream helped me pass before hairpin.

Caught Mark McLean and the car ahead of him. They both ran wide into the 180 and I was able to go past.

At that I noticed I could not see any cars ahead. I did not think they were that far ahead. Suddenly "connection lost".

How frustrating. Never had the slightest of problems before yet now twice in recent weeks. I hope it's bad luck and nothing more.

I'm getting ready for work now so well done whoever wins


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 10, 2007, 09:44:45 PM +0100
 :cursing: :censored: :cursing:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: pribeiro on July 10, 2007, 09:46:16 PM +0100
:cursing:  :censored: :cursing:

LOL


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Jeffrey on July 10, 2007, 09:51:56 PM +0100
Interesting fight between me and backo in qually. Took pole from eachother everytime. Last try I was heading for a 1:36 but I went full lock out of the last chicane and lost 0.2.

I was faster in the race than Backo, but at the wrong places. I couldn't get near him at points of overtaking, so I had to wait and hope.

At 1/3 or something Bacho hit the pitwall and spun, I was close behind and couldn't avoid and got aero damage.

I then had Bara behind me the whole race, very close. I lost some time due to that damage so Bara was gaining on me. But (luckily for me), most times he gained, and followed that with an error  ;).

In the end he took race fastest lap from me by 0:00.010 or something. Well done and grats to GTC winner.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: pribeiro on July 10, 2007, 09:52:50 PM +0100
Dear Mr. Admin, can we have races only at Magny please????? ;D
Two races at MagnyCours, two astonishing evenings! ;)
Another fantastic race for me(not the finish position) with a cool great fights. :thumbup2:
First 20 mnts. i had a faboulous fight with Mclean :fencing:
Last 20 mnts i had fantastic batlles with Truetom, Paul and Nervard :sweatdrop:
Thank you all for the fun, it was a great race :yes:

Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: linco24 on July 10, 2007, 09:53:33 PM +0100
Well that didnt go to plan.

Qualified well and was good enough for a top ten finish. Started the race well and my set-up was great. A few laps in there was a warped car stuck right in the middle of T3. Tried to avoid head on contact, swerved, and caught its rear. Flipped I dont know how many times, landed in the sand and hit the wall. Thought it was over. Got back on track and it felt like it was still going in a straight line. By this time I was last. Put in a few laps to see how it was but my aero damage had made it like driving on ice. I decided I would keep going rather than throw away 40 odd seconds on a stop. Battled my way through the field but the car was a bitch to handle. Tyres had plenty of grip but it would stay stuck to the track. Finally caught up with Darren and even though I felt quicker in a few places, I was never fast enough to pass at all.

Colin


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: pribeiro on July 10, 2007, 09:53:43 PM +0100
By the way.....congrats to winners :whistling:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Paul Richards on July 10, 2007, 10:02:11 PM +0100
Didn't have much luck there. Qualified ok well down on PB but it was ok.

Start was having a good race with Brian. I knew I would be slowish at the start with my setup. Managed to hold him off for a lap or so but then he finally got in my slipstream and got up the inside into Adelaide. Colin was then chasing me then right in middle of Estoril was Brians car. Obviously a connection problem (not sky by any chance?) but had nowhere to go and hit it giving me aero damage and into the gravel. Colin followed suit and I saw a car flying up into the air!

Thst dropped me back behind Antony Humphries. I was quicker but with the aero damge was slow out of Estoril. Antony then made a mistake and I passed along the straight only for him to lunge from a way back into Adelaide. We then tangle up on the approach to Chateau D'eau and Simon got passed me. I got back past and then followed Antony for another couple of laps until he made a big mistake in Chateau D'Eau. After fending off another lunge into Lycee Simon also got passed. Then I had the best battle I yhink I have had in a long time with Simon. Thanks mate. With my Aero damage I just couldn't get away and he was driving the wheels off the TVR. Not sure how many passes we put on each other but it was great and we didn't touch once. I think the tyres on Simons car got worse I I was able to break clear. Caught the battle of teamie Paul and Nev and just stayed behind. Paul made a mistake out of th efinal chicane so I passed him then Nev had a coming together with Simon in Estoril and spun. I couldn't avoid him so collided and got a puncture. That dropped me back a few places. Congrats to podium and thanld again Simon for a cracking battle while it lasted!

Thanks Backo for the friendly "?" during qually after we went door to door and you into the gravel in Estoril. I was on a fast lap and you just came out of the pits so no chance I was going to crash myself avoiding you. If I could have got past without contact I would have done  :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: psuedo on July 10, 2007, 10:10:36 PM +0100
That was lonely :(

qualified last with a decent time in the vertigo (still over a second behind everyone else though), so knew I was going to be racing fresh air most of the time. So I took it pretty easy and just tootled round trying to avoid any incidents and keep out of the way of all you speed demons ;D

It worked and I finished the race with no damage :o

Only had one 'off' (not counting moving off track when being lapped) and that was after a love tap from a recovering car entering the chicane before chateaux ' ??? (whatever it's called)

Cant beleive the speed of everyone tonight  :o :o

I think pole quali time for the endurance was about 1:41 ish for GT2/GTC , I thought my 1:42 would make me competetive tonight but the rest behaved more like GT1's

Well done winners and podiums......If any "SLOW" newbies are reading this....PLEASE sign up....I want to race.  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Nevski on July 10, 2007, 10:11:58 PM +0100
:cursing: :censored: :cursing:

Sincere apologies Simon - that was entirely my fault. I was so busy flashing the headlights to let you know I was approaching as you exited the pits, that I missed my braking point by a good half second or so.  :no:

Other than that minor disaster, I had a really enjoyable race dicing with Paul H for the entire 40 minutes. I was lucky to get pole really, because Paul was clearly faster and more consistent during the entire race length. It was only my track position and the help of some of the traffic that enabled me to stay just ahead of Paul until the unfortunate business with Simon's TVR on the penultimate lap. So, congratulations on a well deserved victory Paul, and congrats also to the GT2 winners.

PS apologies to Paul Richards as well  :oops:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: psuedo on July 10, 2007, 10:15:50 PM +0100
By the way....just a reminder...the vertigo is not very fast so I had quite a bit of trouble keeping up with everyone...squeeling tyres and brakes and an over-revving engine everywhere.......and that was just the warm up lap !!!!!!!!!!!

Pole sitters, please think of us slow folk at the back.....Thanks


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Kerr on July 10, 2007, 10:20:42 PM +0100
I'm sorry for the guys my car caused trouble for but as you know little or nothing i can do when disconnected.      Yes Paul I and with sky. I dont know why I've lost connection twice in recent weeks and it was not happening before.   Strange my sky plus box is going crazy at times too. It just turns itself off and will not come back on at times.      Cant see what that would do with my broadband though.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 10, 2007, 10:25:06 PM +0100
Sincere apologies Simon - that was entirely my fault. I was so busy flashing the headlights to let you know I was approaching as you exited the pits, that I missed my braking point by a good half second or so.  :no:

PS apologies to Paul Richards as well  :oops:

 :ban: :whistling:  ;) ;) (just kidding LOL!)

I knew where you were and stayed wide on the correct side of the line, even saw you flashing and then you just clipped a brake and slid off into me. I was annoyed at the time, but I can see the funny side now...I'd just spent a whole lap frantically trying to get back to the pits after a puncture, got the car repaired, new boots on and looking at the timings could see I was still on for a possible podium and 4th was still a possibility and after all that just out the pits and booted off into the gravel. LOL :laugh:. Gotta laugh. It was more the effort I'd gone to to not quit out and try and carry on to salvage more points than anything else, but never mind.

TVR was again fun round here, but felt quite heavy indeed for some reason, it wasn't as chuckable as normal. The biggest problem I had was the gearing for Adelaide. It was so far off it wasn't funny. The gear ratios just didn't go near where I needed them. 1st was either WAY too low or WAY too high, so I ended up having to use 2nd gear for Adelaide and lost loads of time to everyone else under acceleration out of it. Still it's the only car in the game I can get sideways under braking, locked up and everything and still have it under control. Fish tailing tends to be a problem, but at least it's a fun one.  ;D ;D

I do love the TVR, but you have to drive it SOOOOOO hard to get it to be competitive (well I do anyway :-*).





Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Mark J on July 10, 2007, 10:25:26 PM +0100
Had a cracking race and finally enjoyed some rewards for my pace that i've had around this track in GT1 and GT2 classes  ::)

qualied 7th, about 2/100ths behind Purdie.

Had a clean start to the race staying close to the front 6 as we gradually pulled out a few secs on the chasing Pribeiro and Mark Mclean who looked like they were having a great fight.
I then spent the entire race length glued to Purdies backside for anything between 1.3 to 2.7 seconds gap the whole time.  :o There was nothing between us in lap times and neither of us made any errors to allow the other an advantage.
I was hoping his tyres would go off or he would make an error but he drove superbly with great consistency. Nice one Purds, really enjoyed the chase. :thumbup1: I wondered if i could have just got right on your bumper to force you into an error but you kept that breathing gap constant  8)

Finished a fine 6th place behind the aliens  :alien:  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: DynoDaz on July 10, 2007, 10:27:33 PM +0100
Well that was exciting and frustrating all in one.  

Qualified in 13th with a reasonable time (for me) and within the first couple of laps made my way up to 10th.  Was closing on 9th when I was hit from behind and was sent into the gravel at Imola.   Unfortunately I had to wait for 7 cars to pass before I could rejoin the track.  This left me in 17th with about 7 seconds gap to the next car.

It wasn't long before I was on the back of a group of GTC cars.  After some hairy moments behind Shark (waits for funny comments) I soon made my way up to 13th.  

I then spent the remaining 20 minutes with Colin glued to my back bumper.  But like Sunday there was no way anyone was getting past.  Great driving Colin.  I know we both had damaged cars, but from my rear view mirror your car looked a mess.  ;D  I'm amazed at your speed...

Finally finished 12th, which I guess isn't bad considering I lost so much time early on.

Well done MJ and TT, great driving as usual.

Congrats to the podium  


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Nevski on July 10, 2007, 10:34:02 PM +0100
  Was closing on 9th when I was hit from behind and was sent into the gravel at Imola. 

Jesus, someone must really have hit you hard to knock you into the gravel at Imola.  :eek:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: DynoDaz on July 10, 2007, 10:35:47 PM +0100
 :lol:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: linco24 on July 10, 2007, 10:36:59 PM +0100
I then spent the remaining 20 minutes with Colin glued to my back bumper.  But like Sunday there was no way anyone was getting past.  Great driving Colin.  I know we both had damaged cars, but from my rear view mirror you car looked a mess.  ;D  I'm amazed at your speed...

It was a mess mate, can't believe I got nothing over the radio to say I had mechanical damage!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: baracus250gt on July 10, 2007, 10:50:58 PM +0100
Fun in France again!

Started 4th after trading places in Q right up until the end!

Decided to go for medium tyres all round (was considering hard rears but thought I would need to push from the very start and they dont come up to temps quick enough for my liking) - and they lasted really well but I just made too many mistakes throught the race really. Managed to get a rhtythm going from lap 17 odd but then I started driving over my limit in a bid to catch Jeff and made more small mistakes.

Anyway, well happy to get 2nd and fastest lap :D

Definately good racing at Magny. Lets keep it up :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: picnic on July 10, 2007, 10:56:18 PM +0100
Having problems with the replay availability  :-\

Provisional Results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=358) and Standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=49) are fine.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Jeffrey on July 10, 2007, 11:06:51 PM +0100
I'm glad to have won the triple  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: psuedo on July 10, 2007, 11:27:01 PM +0100
Well Done Ruskus...Congratulations, you deserve your victories.

(can you please fill your car boot with concrete for next season) ;) ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: purdie on July 10, 2007, 11:32:56 PM +0100
wow what fun! another raving review for Magny-Cours!!!!

was quite happy with 6th quali position as this is Masters after all !!! with MJ a tobacco papers width behind...and nothing changed in the race!!

...never had pressure like it where I have kept my cool!  unusual for me recently  :-\

...almost nipped 5th pos early on when Leuven came off, had an opportunity to outbrake him but thought better off it as I know he is quick and he wud soon be back past!

The entire race I had MJ not more than 2.7 secs behind and got within 0.8 at one time! He was unlucky meeting traffic at Estoril twice gaining me a few tenths, which doesn't sound a lot but its all relative! We were so consistent and must have done the majority of our laps in the 1m39s!!! So happy when the race ended! and hope to have another good battle at Imola  :D

I was hoping his tyres would go off or he would make an error but he drove superbly with great consistency. Nice one Purds, really enjoyed the chase. :thumbup1: I wondered if i could have just got right on your bumper to force you into an error but you kept that breathing gap constant  8)

Ditto mate, you wouldn't disappear out my rear view mirror! If i hadn't out-qualified you, you would have beaten me in the race...!  :o ;D

I spent most of praccy concentrating on my race setup using the new overlay PD (which is quality  ;)) and working out my eventual tyre wear....in the end opted for soft front and medium rears! And the highest worn tyre reading was only 18! not bad for 40mins hard slog!! :yes:

ps. bring on imola Paul R !  ;) ... i know you'll bounce back!!  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: purdie on July 10, 2007, 11:35:58 PM +0100
..of course grats Ruskus!! very impressive as always and flawless driving!!  :o

BTW: can someone please post an AutoSim Analyzer file of the race? mine just told me i don't have my player log on >:(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: pribeiro on July 10, 2007, 11:44:50 PM +0100
Lets ban Ruskus and your AutoSim Analyzer :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: purdie on July 10, 2007, 11:53:08 PM +0100
lol........in the words of Noel Edmunds ..."DEAL!"

(i do have a job and haven't really seen this program  ::)....honest :whistling:)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Jeffrey on July 11, 2007, 12:03:48 AM +0100
..of course grats Ruskus!! very impressive as always and flawless driving!!  :o

BTW: can someone please post an AutoSim Analyzer file of the race? mine just told me i don't have my player log on >:(

I need a server report to make the file, which normally comes with the replay.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: BACKO on July 11, 2007, 12:26:06 AM +0100
Thx for nice race.Qualification was amazing :o,nice battle about position 1.I love this track :)I didn't prepare for this race and I did setup for my M3 about 1 hour before start race.Also wrong choose of tyres for race.In the race I did lots mistace wich cost me podium!I really enjoyed it!!!! ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Paul Richards on July 11, 2007, 06:54:53 AM +0100
Better luck with the connection Brian I hope you get it sorted. There can't be anything worse then enjoying the race one minute to be gone the next! It was quite a strange disco your car was stopped in Estoril when both me and Colin hit it. After recovering I am pretty sure I past it again so instead of disconnecting straight away it must have had gone very flakey first before finally giving up the ghost! The reason I asked about Sky is by coincidence someone at work was moaning about his but he couldn't get any internet connection at all so obviously a completely different problem there!

No worries Nev I was enjoying yours and Paul's battle up to that point!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Simon Gymer on July 11, 2007, 08:39:21 AM +0100
Well done to Jeff on the championship, well deserved. I dunno where you get all that speed from, but I wish you'd donate your limbs to me! ;D. Also congrats to Mo who's wrapped up 2nd too, whilst Nev has won the GTC by a country mile, well done.

Also a team win for Team Shark in the GT2 class, well done lads! Congratulations.  :thumbup2: Gonna need a good result at Imola to stave off the Kerb Crawlers in the GTC team championship though, especially as I'm not very good at Imola.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: purdie on July 11, 2007, 03:00:38 PM +0100
..of course grats Ruskus!! very impressive as always and flawless driving!!  :o

BTW: can someone please post an AutoSim Analyzer file of the race? mine just told me i don't have my player log on >:(

I need a server report to make the file, which normally comes with the replay.

does someone have the replay file please?  ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Paul968 on July 11, 2007, 03:11:48 PM +0100
Quote
Gonna need a good result at Imola to stave off the Kerb Crawlers in the GTC team championship though, especially as I'm not very good at Imola.

Looking at this, something seems wrong? How did Team Shark get 31 points at Anderstorp in GTC when Nev won the race in that class?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Kerr on July 11, 2007, 03:14:20 PM +0100
Better luck with the connection Brian I hope you get it sorted. There can't be anything worse then enjoying the race one minute to be gone the next! It was quite a strange disco your car was stopped in Estoril when both me and Colin hit it. After recovering I am pretty sure I past it again so instead of disconnecting straight away it must have had gone very flakey first before finally giving up the ghost! The reason I asked about Sky is by coincidence someone at work was moaning about his but he couldn't get any internet connection at all so obviously a completely different problem there!

No worries Nev I was enjoying yours and Paul's battle up to that point!

It was not to dissimilar to last disconnection.

I firstly notice that the time gap between me and the car behind me is not recorded, although I can still see him. Then no time for car in front although I can see him too.

I then does not record my next time over the start finish line and my position drops down the field, then it comes back to correct position.

Then shortly after disconnection.

Of late I have spent a few hours in open forum races without a single disconnection. I have used Sky since I have raced on here and that 2 disconnections in the last 4 races but until then none.

Hope it's just a case of bad luck.

I have been following Jures advice regarding resetting modem and router prior to racing


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 11, 2007, 03:21:19 PM +0100
Looking at this, something seems wrong? How did Team Shark get 31 points at Anderstorp in GTC when Nev won the race in that class?

Nev wasn't racing for a team so didn't count in the points (same as UKGPL).

Something has gone screwy with the tooltips over the finishing positions though...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Paul968 on July 11, 2007, 03:30:01 PM +0100
Ah - yes, I remember now. Wouldn't it make more sense though if drivers only scored for the place that they finish in, including the non-team drivers? Giving a driver a stack of team points for finishing near the back just because those in front don't have a team seems a bit wrong.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 11, 2007, 03:35:58 PM +0100
Ah - yes, I remember now. Wouldn't it make more sense though if drivers only scored for the place that they finish in, including the non-team drivers? Giving a driver a stack of team points for finishing near the back just because those in front don't have a team seems a bit wrong.

Very old ground! Large teams would eat all the points and besides, unless you give points in proportion to how close to the leader each car finishes, how is this any different from awarding the 50 to the winner, 43 to second and so on, even if second finishes 12 laps down on the leader?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Paul968 on July 11, 2007, 03:43:35 PM +0100
Why would large teams get all the points? All I mean is that you reward the top 2 drivers in each team for their finishing position, not for the number of no-team drivers ahead of them. Look at that race and tell me how 31 points for a 2nd place and a 6th makes sense compared to 23 points the kerbies got for 2nd and 4th at Estoril?

To answer your second question, because racing is and always will be about positions. Unless we make the race a time trial than that isn't going to change, but there seems to me no reason why the fact that a driver is not in a team should somehow bump a lower driver up the team points table.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 11, 2007, 04:44:30 PM +0100
To answer your second question, because racing is and always will be about positions. Unless we make the race a time trial than that isn't going to change, but there seems to me no reason why the fact that a driver is not in a team should somehow bump a lower driver up the team points table.

For the same reason that drivers in different classes don't interfere with each others' scoring. The team championship is for team finishes i nthe same way that the GT1 championship is for GT1 cars.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: Paul968 on July 11, 2007, 04:57:42 PM +0100
The reason the classes score seperately is that they are different cars and it would be unfair to score them together. Maximum points in GTC drivers championship means you were the fastest GTC driver, which is quite right. To take an extreme example, maximum points in the team championship could actually mean you were the last GTC driver in the race!

I'm not going to lose much sleep over the team championship anyway, but I think this is a bit silly and devalues the team championship. The champions should be the team that drove the best and were the most successful over the season, but this will not be the case if the points are calculated this way.

I'd like to bet that any other real championship would work the way I've said, with independants reducing the team score for those below them - I'll have a dig around and see if I can find an example.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 5 GT2/GTC Sprint - Magny-Cours (GP) - Jul 10
Post by: ginsters sponsored on July 11, 2007, 08:12:36 PM +0100
I wasn't aware that this was "old ground" as I've never seen it discussed or explained before, and I've never really bothered to look at point system before. Not that I'm bothered with team titles either (unfortunately they don't make you any more attractive to women :)), but Paul does seem to have a point for me. Could we have a poll before next season? Mind you, could be a bit academic as all have joined teams now ::).