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Practice 1:	20:00	(15 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:15	(10 mins)	reserves (not Clubmen) may join too
Qual 1:	20:25	(5 mins)	Clubmen may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1, G2, GT2, GTC or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.4 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27) (G2 and GT3 cars will not score points).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Magny Cours GP 2004 v1.0 (download UKGTR Track Pack v1.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?pid=27))
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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Sucks, but as I feared, I can't make this :(

Off to Spain for the World Games. Oh well, at least I'm Karting :)

Good luck all, have fun and don't forget the MotoGP race! (arghhhhh)

I only wish I was allowed my lambo here. Really enjoyed racing here. Hopefully there will be a few people joining in cup cars.

Viper CC for me I expect. ;D

Same for me if room, Viper CC

You guys will be faster in the CC than I am in the TVR, I am still slightly faster in the Viper. Should be a close race....me fighting with the GT3s and all  ;D

Cup for me if there is room & no rain!

I must admit I had big troubles with the 911 cup last time out in the rain.

However I think that was due to the circuit. A couple of the turns had bumps and strange cambers that upset the car in the rain.

I'm sure Magny would not be as tough, but it will be dry anyway. Hopefully!

I'm on babysitting duties this weekend so I will have a go tonight and see what car to choose for tomorrow night.

I noticed that the masters that raced in the clubmens endurance many used the BMW ZM3

Hi all there,

I will drive the lambo as a reserve. Does anyone know if there will be more GT1 cars this evening?

I'll be there, so that is atleast 2 of us  ;). I suspect there will be around 8-10 GT1 cars.

Hi Robert, you were the guy I had a good race with at Spa a couple of weeks ago were you not?

If so I was the one to suggest to have a look here.

I would have a blast with you here but I'm full time in clubmens class this year which does not allow me to use GT1 cars here. You should have a fun here. All the races so far have been very close and action packed.

Judging by your performance at Spa, I think you will do pretty well. Certainly a few drivers in and around your pace.

Good luck with your first race

I was originally intending to use the 911 cup, but now I'm thinking the Viper CC is the best option.

The Viper is about 1 to 1.5 sec quicker per lap and that is too much.

A nice pit strategy using the 911 might mean I could jump a few vipers come pit stops, but the rest of the race I would need to drive a very wide 911!

I have a pretty composed set up for viper cc now, but the car is identical in pace with qualifying set up, or in full race guise.

After seeing Ruskus' times with the Viper I'm happy with mine.

So as it stands, put me down for the Viper.

Also I take it there is no issues changing cars as we don't score points?

My qually time was on a damp track, hence I was faster in race than in qually  ;D. 1:40.xxx is a dry qually lap.

Moderators,

What are the rules on me changing class in this race? My only competition is not racing and I think I might like to take the Viper instead so at least I can race someone.

Correct.

It's not a problem; I think if you switch between GT2/GTC and GT1 you won't get hit with a car change penalty should you switch back again.

I thought something was odd. Forgot it was damp in 2nd Qualifying session.

I'm in the position where my race and qualifying set ups are exactly the same time wise. Even with a 100l of fuel against a very light qualifying car I'm looking at mid to lower 1.41s.

What is the tyre wear like on viper cc. Were you running medium all round or hard at the back?

It's awefull  ;D. I was running meds allround and the wear was really bad, but that's just part of the Viper fun  ;D

Ok tell the truth, you only want to change because you are faster in the Viper CC than the TVR.  :P

I'm staying with the RSR so I'll have plenty of Vipers to race with.  ;D

Darren, I am thinking about taking the Fezza GTC... What Race pace is are you at?

You know me... anything from low 1:39s to high 1:41s.  :-\

Ok...I'm Gonna go Practice with the Fezza...never driven it before, need to try more cars me thinks

Yes Kerr, I'm they guy from spa. I liked racing with you there, and now i'm keen to race with professional drivers again.

Finally i got more familiar with the site and the forum, and i like it. It is great. One thing for me is the time shift of 1 hour. It gets a little bit late then. Well, i will brush my teeth before ;D.

Good luck you will have a good race. There is plenty of good drivers and you will not come across the nonsense that happens in those open server races.


I'm locked to another championship so can't race using GT1 cars. I will be racing in the Viper CC though.

I'm sure it would have been close like it was at Spa. You were only a few seconds behind lapping the same pace.

Just pay attention to the rules, especially the start procedure and don't do anything stupid like some of us have in first race.

See you tonight.

How is your pace? I got pole the other night with a 1.31.5 and race pace will be a relentless low 1.33

Guys, I hate to ask, I have just finished at the office and am now heading home.

I really enjoyed my clubmens race last week, but of course I cant use my trusty M3, do one of you guys have a setup for the viper (or one of the other cars I can drive) that I can use tonight.

I would be very gratefull as I cant wait to race, but with no practice and no setup, I may struggling.

Thanks,

Ant

There is a setup uploaded called ViperCC in the online files, you can use. I uploaded it last week. I got a 1:41.5 with it, minus the fuel and using soft tyres.

Thanks Reign Man

well that was different....must make a mental note to do some practice in the wet....that was a first for me.  (and it showed) ;)

Very well done to podiums and to anybody that actually finishes in those conditions.

When the guy infront of me (Darren I think) lapped me for the second time, I knew it was time to quit..it was only a matter of time before I caused someone grief so thought it best to leave....all I can say is........Bloody glad I dont live in France ;D

Entertaining race from start till finish.

Qualification was great fun, as the track dried up and everybody was getting out towards the end to do a last quick lap. I had a good one and had a nice pole.

The race started dramatically. The track was damp so I went for intermediates....bad choice  :(. They were only getting till 60 degrees and Backo overtook me quickly. He showed so nice and fair racing tonight, well done Backo  :thumbup2:.
Zacari and Paul were quick to follow up behind me, and once they overtook me around lap 9 I thought it was time to get in pits for soft wets and again a full tank.
By that time I was 30s behind the nr 4, Leuven, and was gaining (as he was in NGT  :)). I was doing some quick laps there and I was gaining on Paul about 2s a lap.
By that time I noticed my engine's health dropped around 2% every 5 minutes, and I was only at 80% at that time. So from around 40 minutes I had to short shift and try to keep it in one piece.
Zacari and Backo went in the pits, so I was 6s behind Paul when I went in.
I went for a splash of fuel and hard wets and I came out just behind Backo and Zacari. We past Paul when he was in the pits a lap or so later.
We then had a nice 3 car train for a few laps, which looks great in the wet. I had to put pressure on Backo, but also try to keep the engine alive. After a few laps he went wide at Adelaide and I could take 2nd and chase the Lister of Zacari.
I was a bit quicker, but I couldn't find a way past, as I was quicker on the wrong parts of the track. That Lister is pretty fast on the straight.
With 10 minutes to go I finally blew the engine which was said as I was in 2nd at that time. And being in 2nd with doing 2 stops was surprising to me. I thought race would be over when I had to come in for the first time.

Grats to winner in all classes.

first of all sorry to Reign Man and Pedro Silva!! for the first lap incident when i squeezed past.... :-\

quali went okay but was praying for a dry race....no need to say it didn't happen! i started on inters and 15mins in i'm sure it got wetter and wetter, so i pitted and put on a set of soft wets and filled up to not pit again!!  :-[

With 30mins to go my tyres were worn to 15 and turned off the motec overlay cos it depressed me!

had some great battles and after a spin and a stop/go I ran out of fuel with one lap to go!!!!  but because i was one lap up on the guy behind i kept the place, 9th i think!!!  ;D

tactics were key here and simon gymer nailed it! good racing!  ;D

grats Zacari also!!!  :)

That was tough to say the least.

Had a nightmare qualifying session and just could not get a lap in.

I wonder if I had some kind of problem that people could not see me? I was getting hit all over the place and in one instance I stayed very wide to let a faster car past. From a good distance away I could see the car heading straight at me, bang and i was on grass damaged. He made no reaction to move from the line as if he could not see me, but his car seemed to be fine after the impact. Strange!

I realised in the qualifying session I was really trying to drive too fast for the conditions.

In the race I decided to take my time and stay smooth which seemed to work. The only thing was the hard wet tyres lasted about 15mins and it was drifting all the time after. I think I only had one real off which is not bad considering, lots of nearly moments thought.

I was surprised how easy the Viper CC was to hold in a drift. I only should have remembered to adjust rear wing. Stupidly left it at only 7



I'm happy to finish 11th in race with a GT3 car. Well done all class winners and anybody else who finished, it really was tough out there

Replay (http://ukgtr.simracing.org.uk/UKGTR%20Magny-Cours%20-%20Endurance%20Masters%20070715.zip) plus provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&event=372) and standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/index.php?ind=lm2&group=52)

If you join while people are on track, your car won't load for them, untill they go back into garage.

Looks like running out of fuel has cost you Purdie. It shows me in 10th and you further behind

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Magny Endurance Masters 15-07-2007/index.html)

Forgot to apologise Ruskus. I think once out of the hairpin I got in your way. The traction was so poor in the Viper I could not pull out the way fast enough.

Other than that I think I was more than fair. I slowed right down a few times when leading faster cars were about.

I also never made much of a fight with the slightly faster cars who had to pit early

Can't even remember, so I can't be that bad  ;D. And it doesn't matter, as I went prrrrt anyway. Next time I want a BOOOOOM!

That was difficult - 1st full race in the wet - i don't think i would have got to the finish if i had taken anything much more powerful than the Z3.
But - had a play around with the set up in the wet this aft - just to be sure, and seemed ok, but way off the pace - was suprised to find myself in 12th after the first few laps, due to early pit stops i think...

But drove ok, not too many mistakes - everyone overtaking me drove well considering the conditions out there.

Good drive, and a bit more experience with wet conditions for me.

Grats to all who entered - sorry if i got in anyones way also.
 

First and above all sorry for the bump Darren  :-[
I saw you flashing but hesitated and thought to be best not to try to pass there and that cost you dearly. :-[

As for the race, went out with intermediates and stopped very early changing for hard wets on lap 3. By the end of the race I had no tires whatsoever and the rubber around 120º and the Motec indicating 90% tire worn. I had great difficulties for the last 5 laps or so and if the race lasted one more lap Ribeiro would have taken the 2nd place.

Grats to Simon and Zacari for the wins.

Yeah, but I was very lucky too. Second wet race in a row and 2nd win in a row. I'll be called the rain meister soon. :laugh:

I started on completely the wrong tyres :o. With a damp track I thought intermediates, but for 15 minutes the rain bucketed down and I totally struggled round on them, making some large errors and losing a lot of time :-\. I decided enough was enough and pitted to take hard wets and fill the tank up the brim (stupid as I had loads left at the end). This dropped me way down the order especially as I forgot to turn the engine off in the pits. I was "oi crew, come on", they were "oi driver, idiot, turn your engine off so you don't explode while we put petrol in", driver looks sheepish "doh".  :-[

I was surprised the hard wets were only a little better, safer but not much quicker and it was raining more and more. I was toying with pitting again for soft wets but in the end I decided it wasn't worth it to lose another massive amount of time. For the next 40 minutes I basically struggled round trying to get any temperature into the hard wets. Finally the last third of the race the rain abated and my hards came into play. Unfortunately they were half worn by then so getting decent lap times was hard, but they were the right tyre choice so even half worn I was happy to be on them. Lap times came down a bit and I was holding it together, but not comfortable still. As others stopped to make their pit stops I picked up a few places and with 15 minutes left I decided that I was definitely not pitting again and stuck it out to the end to do 65 minutes on hard wets. Was only in third then, but unlucky for the guys ahead as Leuven who was leading by a country mile decided his car looked better with only 3 wheels ;) and then Luis was having some problems of his own. Eventually I caught Luis and as he collided with another Porsche I nipped through and never looked back.

I don't think i deserved that win, but you take what you can and ultimately staying in there and making fewer mistakes (I say fewer, I went into the gravel at least twice) and being consistent paid off I guess, but I'm not entirely sure how that win happened, I gratefully accept it.

Congratulations to Carl on the GT1 win. That's a great result in the Lister, proving that it's not such a bad car after all and certainly good in the wet.

Don't worry about it mate.  These things happen.  I only lost 1 place but soon got that back.

Intermediates were completely the wrong choice to start with and it showed.  I went off at T1 twice in the opening laps and was stuck in the gravel for a long time each time.  This effectively ended my race.  By the time I pitted after 10 minutes I was already a lap down to everyone apart from the last two.  I changed to hard wets and although they weren't perfect I could at least keep on the track.  ;D

I soon caught Psuedo and was shocked to see that Gizmo was still 55 seconds ahead.  So I set about catching him.  It took me all race but I eventually got past with a couple of minutes to spare.  Sorry for the small taps DG, I don't think they caused you too much trouble, but contact is contact and it shouldn't have happened.

Doing 70 minutes on hard wets isn't recommended. They were completely worn at the end, which made it like driving on ice. :( 

doh!  :( i thought i cracked it as i had crossed the line, maybe cos i didn't actually finish it did that ??

As expected, Dunlop rubber works great in wet areas  :whistling:

I did actually go past you on the start finish straight before I started my last lap. I must have crossed the line before you. Unless it classes non finishers at the back of the pack who finished the same amount of laps behind

THX Ruskus,what amazig race was again this night.Was my second wet race in my life and I really enjoyed them.But I choosed again wrong front tyres should be soft wet.Thx all for nice race and congrat to ZACARI!!!Well done mate!Siya soon on track.

it ran out just as i crossed the line! the lap chart says i finished 9th too so it must just put you back when you run out of fuel... :'(


lol....it was a stupid school boy error anyway! i even drove the last lap mainly in 6th!!! to finish it!!! looolll  ;D

It does - sadly GTR2/GTL don't write the race time in the export if you DNF. :(


No worries - it was good to have somebody to battle with at the end there. I did pretty much what Shark did and pitted to change from intermediates, which were actually aquaplaning after a few minutes (pass by a bl**dy BMW - the shame! :-[), to hard wets, and a full tank. Turned out I could make it to the end without a splash and dash, but the tyres were totally shot (rear wear was 20+) with 15 to go and it was all I could do to keep it out of the barriers.

Most amused to be running at the same speed as Paul968's Saleen during the last few laps. :D

Had I started on hard wets I might have got second in class but it was not to be. In the end I was quite pleased to just finish.

Apologies to PRibeiro for spinning in front of him during the last few minutes of qually - normally I'd hit escape but I didn't have time to come back out from the pits and tried to back up out of the way quick enough to let the approaching cars go past and then get a lap in on slicks.

Also apologies to those who I spun in front of on my in lap during the race; I was aquaplaning all over the place and when I brushed the throttle open out of Lycee heading for the pits it just looped on me. :-[

Did you find the Viper a handful Dave?

I have never practiced in the rain which is daft and I was caught out again. Really nice conditions in practice server prior to the race and then a downpour throughout all sessions.

No doubt see some nice drifting from me but other than that I was racing myself. Never made too many mistakes of any note. I think taking it slowly was the key.

Other than hounding Darren for the first few laps I can't remember any good action.

Must have been good at the front at times. the top three passed me at one stage with nothing to spare between them.

I wasn't expecting much at all coming into this one. I've never really 'got' Magny Cours, especially in GT1, and my limited pre race practice just showed that to be true - well off the pace from the sprint. When it rained I was gobsmacked as the forecast had been brilliant all weekend, but I wasn't complaining as it gave me more of a chance - I'm not exactly a 'rainmeister' but it is such a great leveler that almost everyone is in with a shout.

Qual 2 was frustrating - I couldn't find tyres that would give me the grip needed for a shot at pole and also not reach over 300F within 2 laps! 5th was disappointing but the race was likely to be more important. Zacari and I started behind Robert M, who was clearly struggling. We both found a way past quite quickly, and before long Ruskus was also under pressure. After we got past him I saw the gap grow suddenly and assumed he'd pitted for tyres. Then we settled into a long yo-yo battle, with Zacari always within a few seconds and often less than one. I could never find a way past though as we both seemed to make mistakes at crucial moments. In the end I think his tyres lasted a bit better than mine (soft fronts, hard rears) and the gap grew to 7 seconds or so. With the reduced rate of fuel being used I stayed out longer than normal in case the conditions changed and pitted around the 50 minute mark. I put hard wets on the front and back and reduced the fuel, but all this lost me time, in addition to the slower laps at the end of the stint with wrecked tyres. When I came out I'd lost the place to Ruskus (great driving to catch up btw - not sure how you managed such a quick stop?) and was 4th, and I knew that was probably that unless someone messed up. Then I realised that I'd reduced the fuel a bit TOO much, and I wasn't going to get home without slowing down a lot. Luckliy I had nearly a lap on the next car, so I was cruising round for the last 20 minutes conserving fuel (hence the situation with Dave, as I overtook him and then almost let him back past again  ;D). I managed it in the end, but only had 0.7 gallons left as I crossed the line  :eek: With Ruskus blowing his engine that meant 3rd place, which I'm perfectly happy with. Had I pitted earlier I might have stayed ahead of Ruskus, but it didn't matter in the end anyway. Congrats to Zacari who was just too good tonight, to Simon for another inventive NGT win and to Kerr in the Viper - not sure I would have wanted to drive the CC on a wet track.  

2nd place in GT1 is looking really tight, with all to play for in the final race at Imola. Another wet one perhaps?  ;)

  

thanks Paul, I never wanted to drive the Viper on the dry track let alone the wet track, but It was the common choice for drivers and too fast for the 911 cup and BMW in the dry.

I was hoping that the rain would stop and have a dry race. When it was not looking likely I was considering leaving and starting at the back with the 911 cup.

It turned out the viper was better with heavy fuel load than in qualifying set up.

Thought I did quite well considering. Finished 10th or 11th depending what the ruling is on Purdie and that is not bad in the American shed.

That was only my second wet race and it was tough again.

I better try and develop a wet set up

congraulations t teh winner, and all that finished the race.

Qualify: Not bad, the tack was wet and started to be dry at the end of qualify

Race: I chouse Intermediat tyres, and that was a enormous mistake, i go to pits and change to hard Wet, i forced and the erros ocurred, at the end i go again to the pits and changed to Soft Wet, and recover 2 positions, im aplly for the result, i think that was mi first time that i finished a wet race.

Thx all for this great time

What a thrilling race!  I think that's the wettest race I've been in, certainly not what I was expecting.  I decided to take the Lister before I knew about the weather, or I'd have probably stuck with the 550 which I've raced in the wet before!  Still, it turned out pretty well ;D

I had a basic setup already sorted, so I softened the car up a bit to cope with the wet weather, and I managed to hook up a pretty good lap to get 4th on the grid.  The number of choices for a race strategy were endless! I decided on hard wets all round, and enough fuel for 50 mins so I had a little leeway during the race if the weather turned.

At the start I was cautious, first priority learning where the grip was at.  For the first 20 mins or so, hard wets seemed to be the right tyre.  I caught Robert fairly fast and managed to get past under acceleration out of the hairpin, and did a similar thing to JR a few laps later- but only becuase he was on inters at the time :o  The gap to Backo stayed at around 8 seconds for the first half of the race, it seemed to get gradually wetter to the point that my hard wets were a little cold, and the car was sliding quite a bit.  After around 35 mins, I managed to find the grip a little more and started to close the gap, which was only a second as Backo came into the pits.

At that point I had 4 laps of fuel left, so I went as hard as I dared and pitted.  The track seemed to have come back to the hard wets again, so I stuck with a new set of 'em and I was on my way.  I came out in 3rd; about 2 seconds ahead of Backo, who was putting in some very fast laps on his new tyres!  A lap or two later I saw Jeff in the pits, and I assumed he would be there for a while- only to see him come out only just behind Backo :o that must have been some pace you were running to manage that after 2 stops!  Paul also pitted which left myself in the lead and the top-3 covered by about 4 seconds 8)

Initially JR and backo held each-other up a little bit, but Backo still closed right onto my tail for a couple of laps and I was fortunate to be just enough ahead into the hairpin not to be pounced on by the fezza.  A couple of laps later and it was Jeff right on my tail, the gap varying from 0.3 to 0.9 seconds at the start/finish line for a fair few laps.  My saviour was Jeffs misfortune- his engine letting go with 8 laps left, and it left me with a good enough lead not to be troubled again, (exept by the weather, which was a constant battle :D).

I must say the backmarkers were exceptionally good tonight :) especially given the conditions!  Grats to Simon on the NGT win, and to Backo and Jeff for the close racing :thumbup1:

Also well done to Jon for battling back to 4th after starting on slicks I think?!!  Another 'Junior' result like that at Imola and we can wrestle the team title away from those eevil blue sharks :D :P :P :P

I will need to look more into the wet setups. I created a really good asimetric DRY setup, about two hours went into this, lol.   ::)  Also, I looked at the weather for Nevers, France and it said 33'C, dry, no chance of rain - that was about 6 pm at the time.  ??? I think Daves clever weather file might be just a bit too clever.   :P
Anyway, when I saw rain in practice sessions I started to create a wet setup on the spot, used ALL the sessions for it and didn't even bother with a qualy. All times were set with race setup. I guess Bernie was in a similar position as we were last. Any setup i made had the same flaw - rear tyres were 150'C after two laps.   >:(  So in the countdown to race I set some radical settings, lowered arbs and front springs, stiffened rear springs and increased the wing. Said, what the heck, lets drive. It proved to be the right path but it lacked refinement and my fronts were now too cold. Also, I selected intermediates at the start and it was the right choice for starting conditions. Then the raining intensified and I had to pit for hard wets. The car was barely driveable and after I struggled to hold my line on the big straight while overtaking an NGT I decided the car is too dangerous to drive. Wondering MC12 is just not suited for wet conditions, or I can't set it. When I had a spin and stopped in the sand I wasn't motivated to go on and decided to retire after some 30 minutes of racing. S5 is to be forgotten ASAP and I'll be looking for another car in S6 GT1.   ;)
Well done to all who finished and to winner, of course.  :)

TT   

Not 'arf! I wasn't expecting a wet race at all and turned up assuming my previous dry VCC setup would work okay; I was in so much of a rush trying to ensure a reasonable qualifying position in GT3 I completely forgot about basic stuff like increasing the rear wing and making the diff stiffer. :-[

The real mistake was starting on inters though - no grip at all. When it said damp and light rain before the race I assumed it would be like the end of qualifying but it was raining a lot harder a lot sooner than I anticipated and I lost bucketloads of time.

The weather:
So moderate rain, soon turning to virtual monsoon conditions, easing off a little towards the end.

Only the initial conditions are seeded from the real world; after that it's random.

Dave - you're a programmer. I'm just a driver.  :D  Not meant to be too critical, I find the wet weather a pleasant change in the routine. Just that I didn't expect it to be rainy yesterday and too much time was put into making the dry setup which now I feel was futile - though it was not as it can be used at another occasion.  ;) 
Back to practice again, with a wet settings for Imola.  :wetfish:

TT

I think there are some minor issues with the weather generation that may need to be looked at. Despite heavy rain conditions the track and ambient temperature were far too hot. 38 degrees track and 34-36 degrees ambient wouldn't happen in France in heavy rain, the ambient would definately take a dive in that much rain. Perhaps a little tweaking on the temperature values according to the current conditions?

Kinda not surprised Jeff's engine blew in that heat, I had my 360 on full vent and shifting below the red line for nearly the entire race and it was in the green which should not happen in those conditions, it should have been blue (cold).

Okay, I'm really pissed off with wasting hours of my valuable time building killer setups, only to find I can't even take part in the races. So, in future it would be much better if the weather file was generated based on the real weather a week in advance of the event, and stated in the initial race announcement so people know if it is going to be a wet race and can either build the correct setup for the conditions, or in my case not bother wasting any time if its going to be wet. Until this happens, I'm not going to waste any more of my time with these GT1 races.

That's a bit unfair Nevski, the rules around the weather are very clear, everyone should have been aware of the possibility of a wet race.

I drove on intermediates for around 9 laps. Grip was next to none, so when I put soft wets on, I had grip all of a sudden and the car felt good. I started with 100L of fuel and when I pitted in I had about 63L left and topped it to 100L again. So 37L plus new tires didn't take too long.
After that I was 2-3s a lap quicker than anybody else, for around 15 laps. So that kinda removed the loss of the first pitstop, but I still had a big gap towards the front runners. But when they pitted they needed new tires and around 80L. My 2nd pitstop was a taking from 35L to 65L of fuel and hard wets. Again a quick stop which left me behind the first 2.
When it happened I was very surprised, as I didn't expect to be that much quicker in racepace, but it was great it happened, as that shows: never give up hope  ;D.
Stupid mistake from me to blow up the engine, I shoudl have known to lower the revs a bit in wetraces.

There is nothing more unpredictable than the weather (well...maybe a women ::)), and that gives a race an awesome twist. Just see what happened this race, many made a mistake with start-tires and had to come in. This shuffled the whole grid up and not make it a: "drive from start till finish in the same position race".
If you want to be prepared, make a good dry setup and use that to make a wetsetup. Once you get the basics of the wet setup right, it's just a matter of minutes before have a good set for both.
I don't even have a wetsetup, just my dry setup with +2 wing and raintires  ;D

I agree with Pops and Rusky, Nev, a bit too harsch.  ;)
I also "wasted" a lot of time on a killer dry setup which proved to be a mistake concerning yesterdays race. But I'm mostly pissed at myself not to put some laps into the possibility of a wet race.  ::)
I feel the dynamic weather is a step forward and it's up to us to adapt. To be honest, I didn't anticipate a storm even in a dream, light rain at the most with blackestest scenario  ;D which I intended to race with a dry setup. Well, it proved differently. I vote for continuation of dynamic weather and I'd like to backup Sharks mention of a minor adaptation of the weather file. Conditions were a bit unusual.  :D

TT    

I'd also like to see weatherchanges in the sprintraces, as that could really stir things up ;D

Those conditions took everybody by suprise....Nobody anticipated a wet race, especially with the real world weather being good in France before the race...but the weather is changable and a little unpredictable....(I live in the UK...say no more ;D) and I think it is good how this is handled by the weather files generated.

I think everyone has learnt a valuable lesson from this....I for one will be doing a LOT more practice in bad conditions and experimenting with adapting my setups to cope.

Its not about building a wet setup or being able to drive in the wet. Some systems simply can't handle the extra CPU load with rain, reflections and headlights all on. Mine is one of those systems. So, I won't bother running in the endurance races anymore until the rules are changed to reflect those facts.

I'm not against running in the wet as in the real world this will happen.

On saying that in the real world you can forsee the weather conditions, roughly.

I think everone was caught out tonight as the weather was good in France I was informed. I think maybe some kind of warning might have helped.

It was extra difficult for us who joined in GT3 cars as we had no practice time in wet, not even the two 10 minute practice servers.

Can you not set the practice server using the weather file a couple of hours before the race?

Also regarding the temperature, that will explain why my hard wet tyres were getting so hot really quickly. I tried using soft wets in qualifying and after 1 lap they were 150 plus degrees. It did not seem a true reflection of wet driving

Strangely the temperature was a bit random the the endurance clubmens race last week. It seemed to fluctuate by quite some level

The rules aren't going to be changed like that, Nev - the unpredictability of the weather is an intended part of endurance racing. My system is hardly state of the art any more but I manage to extract acceptable frame rates out of it by turning a lot of the effects down.

The amibent temperature moves within a relatively narrow band based on the initial conditions; as Shark says, I should probably adjust the script a little so that the temperature drops a bit when it rains (or rises if it dries out).

Wet setup, what's that? :o I just use my dry with maybe a little bit extra wing and a bit less brakes and stick the right tyres on (which apparently is a lot harder than it sounds. ;D ;D). Killer dry setups are still valid because they basically setup the car correct for the circuit, rain just slows you down it doesn't invalidate the setup for the circuit.

Nev, try adjusting a few of the graphics settings (see my incomplete guide (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3230.0) on graphics settings) to see if you can run in the rain. If you're really struggling in the rain for FPS then I would suggest turning off all headlight effects, then going for reflections, then going for special effects. CPU is more important than graphics card for the rain/night effects so anything you can do to increase your CPU speed will help.

Well, I can't change just the wing and tyres, seems like my dry setup with said changes just burns the rear tyres and I have no chance of getting through the race with it.  :(

TT

Its not going to happen with this rig Simon. Even with everything turned down (it is anyway) I only get about 5 to 10 fps in the wet. I don't have a problem with you guys running wet races, I would just like to know they are going to be wet in advance so I don't waste valuable hours practicing for a race I won't be able to take part in. As the rules stand at present though, I won't be taking any further part in the endurance events, sadly.

not that I can argue with a class winner when I dropped out   ::)....but I reckon dry set ups are usually made as 'stiff' as possible for the track...which gives better speed etc but does make them a little skittish...more responsive. For wet conditions, I agree that the basic dry setup will be the one to use..(so time not actually wasted developing one) but the whole thing would need softening a bit coupled to the more wing and right tyres...with lower revs and a tighter diff.  It would probably be fairly safe to develop a 'template' for the basic adustments that you can apply to any dry setup for any circuit..then just make some minor tweaks to suit.

I never consider practicing for a race as 'wasted time', regardless of if I make the race or not.  I've lost count of the number of laps I've done round Monza just for the hell of it and anytime I practice for a race is time I enjoy, not just a chore for a better race setup.


This is totally true.  All I do for a wet setup is to soften the car up a bit and add more wing.

PC spec is an unfortunate problem, but the enduro's have always been marked as 'changeable' weather so that possibility is to be expected.  Doesn't make it any less of a pain when it happens to be wet, though :(

Anyone who was having major issues with tyres yesterday was almost certainly on the wrong ones.  Nothing to do with ambient being high; soft wets were only suited to part of the race, and were unsuitable during all of qualifying.  Even hard wets were pushing it in quali!

And I still don't understand why people ever blow engines, I'm sure Jeff uses engine braking into corners too much! :P



Tighter diff?  Really?  I always assumed the softer the better in slippery conditions, or braking traction on the inside wheel would cause the outside one to brake traction too.  With a softer diff, any exessive acceleration would allow the inside wheel to brake traction without causing exessive rpm to the outer wheel, which keeps the car more stable under acceleration out of slow corners.  At least, that's what I think :D

No need to lower the rpm of the engine either, just short-shift in the lower gears or be gentler on the throttle.  I've never raced with anything other than full rpm in the setup, and I've still yet to blow an engine.

 :-[ :-[ :-[...thats what I meant.....

I also forgot to say that reducing the camber is good thing too...there isn't as much grip and you are cornering much slower than normal so camber becomes much less useful.....(I hope :))

Yep, that's a good one too!  I lowered my f+r cambers slightly but maybe not enough.  That'll be a good experiment to run in a test.

I am one of the few around here that uses manual clutch, which is also harder on the engine. I don't enginebrake, revs never reach red while downshifting, as I hardly blip. I just had alot of wheelsping (Diff: 30% power, 5% coast), even going from 1st to 2nd I had wheelspin  ::) for a few metres.
The C5R isn't the most reliable piece of kit, I've seen it blow up alot at other leagues as well.

I think in theory changable weather is great because in real life you can test all friday and quali in the dry on sat for it to be be monsoon conditions on the sunday (Knockhill experiences spring to mind!) and then you waste not only time on dry setup but money on sets of slicks!!!

The unpredictable nature of GTR2s weather seems realistic although perhaps not characteristic to specific areas (as mentioned by Simon).
At least ALL the sessions were wet in this case! Giving us some time to work it out.

The amusing thing is everyone made the same mistake of going on inters at the beginning, but it wasn't a mistake until 5 laps in when the heavens opened!

I wud have preferred dry, as per my persistent moaning! But i liked it nonetheless!!! Sorts the men from the boys!! (i tuned out to be a boy  :-[) :)

I didn't start on inters. I joined the grid, saw it was raining with a heavy sky and ducked out for soft wets on the front and hard rears.

I think tyre choice last night was heavily influenced by the car - rear engined cars eat their rear tyres, and in qual they were toast in no time at all, even hard wets. The front engined cars had an easier time, which might explain the starting positions (front engined cars in the first few places).

I started with wets too.....but I'd have done just as well with soft slicks ::)

Yeah I thought I'd take a risk after a poor qually and take slicks :-[ Hehe. Had to pit after 4-5 laps. Then it was just a case of trying my best to get some places back. I think I prolly finished where I would've without the early tyre change. Had a few nice battles in the race with peeps. I think the Hoffmeister was one 8) Great to see a Lister win again and even better it came from the TS Jr ranks 8) 8) 8) Great driving Zacari 8) 8) 8) I sense a disturbance in the (TS) force ;) Great racing all.
Jon

Another wet race?! I've missed them all!!  :cursing:
After leading the championship following rd 3, it's all gone wrong with work and holiday screwing the endurance championship up proper for me. At least it's all in one championship and not spread across them all. Hopefully I'll actually be around for Imola!

BTW - 5th in the World Games :)

Hi all!

That was a hard but nice Race!

I started as 3rd with a setup for dry conditions and intermediates. I thought the rain would stop and it woule get dry again. There i was really wrong  >:(. I had no grip or traction and must do a stop early as the conditions were geting worse.

I changed to hard wet tyres, and after that the car was a little bit better to drive, but still very tricky. In the second stop i got less fuel, so i had to stop a third third time before finish... . My setup was horrible to drive, i had less traction out of corners than NGT cars. But under this conditions i was happy to reach the finish.
Great fights with many people, i hope that i have not hamed anyone.

Welcome anyway Robert. An eventful first race but at least you finished.

As I warned it's not easy here. There is a number of very good drivers about.

Hopefully Imola will be dry and we see you in the GT1 sprint. If you are part time you can join me in the clubmens series for a race and take in the masters too.

Oh yes, before I forget, sorry Robert for nudging you as I left my pit box. I had hoped my front left corner would clear you if I gave it some stick but it didn't quite and I moved you a bit and then had to back up to get out. So much for my usual slick pit stop routine! :-[

Nah, the blue force is stronger than the red force, everyone knows good ultimately wins over evil.  :P :P

Hi Kerr,

sorry but i must take dancing lessons this evening. :-\

But next Monday i will join the Race, i never drove in Imola, so i'll look at your times from the sprint race this evening and do some training rounds Thursday evening 8).

I know you want to give yourself to the Darkside :-*
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