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NGT Sprint Cup - Season 1, Round 2 at Magny-Cours

Date: Tuesday 19th July

Practice 1: 8:45pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 9:00pm (15 mins)
Warmup: 9:15pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:17pm (30 mins)

Cars allowed: Any NGT car or 911 Bi-Turbo or Mosler or Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)

Notes:
(1) Please try to arrive 15 minutes early during Practice 1.
(2) Server Password has been emailed to those registered racers for each championship. Please contact a member of the admin team to get the password if you are registered and have forgotten or not received the password. It will not be given out in the GTR chatroom as that is a public place.
(3) See  UKGTR Season 1 Info (http://www.ukgtr.org/series.php?series=103) for general Season 1 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (http://www.ukgtr.org/rules.php)

WhooHoo! Just managed to break 1:44 at Magny - well chuffed  ;D

I think I'm finally beginning to 'get' this track, man it's tricky. Possibly the trickiest track in GTR.

Race pace is looking a fair bit slower, something like 1:48 but that's tomorrow's practice session  ;)

Off to drink some Hoegaarden now, I've heard that's what Schumacher trains on  ;)

Pops

i find this track tricky also :)

i was doing some 1,41s when we did the enduro and im down to 1,42 today :)

 :o :o :o

Yowza! Just had a look at your GTRank time - that's superb!  8)

Is the Seat allowed in NGT sprint?

Oops, seems it is allowed only in the GT Sprint.

What would you guys consider to be an average NGT lap time here? I'm down to 1:48 in the GT3RS, but I find it is a really complex circuit and I'm struggling to better that.

Reckon I'm not too far from average  ;)

I can run for 30mins putting in mostly 1:45's with a few 1:44's.

That's against the AI though, against the elite of UKGTR tonight will be a different kettle of fish!

Pops.

1:44's should be good enough m8, leaves 1 sec for me ;) :D. Just make sure you don't stop the N-GT Lambo, which will be all over your *ss m8!  :D

T

Havnt received my email with the password yet........anyone else got theres?


BTW Jamera, take a look at my thread in Misc (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=355.0) some handy tips in there for Magny Cours, I found it very helpfull :)

I'm assuming its the same as last time

Intention is to leave the passwords unchanged. We will change them only if we have to, then a post will be made and new emails sent out.

Haha! Didn't take long for the smack-talk to begin eh?  ;D

If last night's anything to go by Tyf, the only sniff you'll get of my *ss (ewww...) is watching it disappear as you sail off the track at turn 1!  ;)

All the best for tonight  :-*

Pops

Just been turning a few practice laps, looks like I'm pretty close.  1:42's in race trim, even with the 2 turns that I find really evil.  This track is hard.

I'm just gonna get myself some big 4x4 tyres so I can get out of the sand traps easier!

Shit game strikes again.

Leading with about 9 mins to go after the taking the lead on about lap 2 when pole sitter hit the wall coming out of last corner. Felt quite content that I would get the win and bang, 1FPS bug. First time I've had that in ages, let's hope it's the last.

Oh well. Off to pub.

Got a pole, was leading the race and in the second lap I hit the invisible cone. Fought back to 3rd and sudenly my GTR decides to close down. I've been playing GTR since November last year and I never experienced CTD. Better luck next time I guess.

Well I`d tried my bollox off this week practising, only to get 1fps bug on warm up lap. Hope I didnt do any damage to anyone, I tried to steer off the track as quick as poss.

Cheers

Rob

that did not go according to plan 6 mins to go and got 1fps bug hope for better luck next time

AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! CTD mid race  >:(

Urrrggghhh

Was beginning to enjoy this track and I totally blew it :(  Missed my brake point at T1 and whacked the back of Bernie AGAIN!!!  Luckilly it was only me that went off this time.  Dropped me to 11th, then I hit the invisible cone and went back to 13th :(  Began to make my way back up, had some brilliant battles along the way (PaulW I didnt intend to pass you there, I locked the wheels and had nowhere else to go!) especially my little epic to pass Popabawa, top driving m8 :D

Found my way up to 4th and caught the battle for 2nd between Trutom and Paul968, went to pass Paul when I got a run on him after he made a mistake, locked up the wheels AGAIN!!! and spun.  Managed to hold 4th, then ended up quitting the race 1 lap too early DOH!!!

I have to find a solution to these f'king brakes, it's just way too easy to lock the wheels!!!

note to self:  STOP REAR-ENDING BERNIE!!!!

Man, really feel for you all. It's lame in the extreme that you can effectively chuck a load of practice hours in the bin because of a seemingly unfixable bug :(


Had a fairly hectic qually run with only one tidy lap in the end that was a second off my PB, for my moeny I'd love qually to be extended to 20 minutes.

Started 11th (I think) and hit the same invisible cone the rest of you caught on the second to last corner while on the parade lap  ::) Recovered for 12th and got underway. Why is it I'm fine all day, fine through practice, fine in qualifying, fine through 90% of the parade lap and then, BAM, I started getting itches all over as start the race?  :P

Had a great tussle with Pops for the first few laps. Mike Wrightson caught the two of us up about 6 in and he looked like he had at least a second a lap on me. Did my damndest to hold him off but 4 or 5 laps later he squeezed through with a tidy move. Really enjoyed watching Pops do the same to him with a ringside seat from behind. Was hoping to capitalise on their fight and nab a place or two but chose to back off a teeny bit and not kill the tyres instead. Eventually Mike got past Pops and we settled back in to a rhythm. I could see you were driving really really hard and leaving rubber here and there, I think in reality we were totally matched for pace at this track and I wasn't going to do anything 'special' ;)

Fozz was about 6 seconds back with  4 or 5 laps to go and must have made a herculean effort to catch up because all of a sudden you were right behind me! Adrenaline pumping I just concentrated on sensible blocks that wouldn't see me punted off the track like a big jesse. Totally gutted to see Pops out break himself with only about 2 laps to go and I grabbed 4th place.

A close overtaking moment from Fozz on the last lap sent my heartrate throught the roof but he didn't collect me in the slide and I coasted in to a 4th place. Chuffed to bits with it and I guess goes to show that average pace and staying on the track can work (thank God for me  ;D).

Ummm, managed to hit Fozz again.  :-[ There were 4 of us behind him, and had to veer here and there to avoid contacts. Plotajs punted me and I spun, but managed to get back into group after Fozz. When it decomposed I was 4th behind Fozz and was trying to be near to be able to overtake. He was braking a bit sooner and I was too fast to stop, shoved him into sand in the same place as Plotajs punted me.

By that time the first one was too far to chase so we had a go with MikeW and Paul968. I came second and beer feels really good.

As for Fozzmeister, I have to say sorry, again. Maybe Mike Shoemaker has too much influence on me...

Treat 1fps bugs like engine problems in the real world <ducks>

Had a horrid first couple of laps getting it wrong on my own or, in at least one case, with someone else. I need to watch the replay, which incidentally is available on the website.

After those first couple of dodgy laps settled down in clear air and ran my own race in the 44/45 bracket and gained a few places simple because of others problems. A flukey 6th place :D

Jeez, too drained to make any sense at the moment...

Best race EVER!

Full report in the morning  ;D

I knew it was about my last chance and I had a big gap the 6th place. I wanted to get you at the hairpin, but was too far behind. I followed you really close (for me, i usually back off there if anywhere near behind someone) through the chicane afterwards. I noticed that you were taking 180 properly which is really slow in and has a late apex, Plenty of time for me to go inside and block your exit. I've come to trust racing close to you and I knew i wouldn't cause contact on the way in... unfortunately I locked and spun (pretty much my only mistake), then took it easy for the remainder of the lap to a quite nice 5th place.

Oh ffs!!!!

I've just overwritten my replay!!!  Brain has turned to mush tonight arrrgghh

Pops!!  did you save yours??  if so, can you upload it somewhere for me??  that would be awesome for the movies :D

Sorry for that it wasn't intentional. I was overtaking the guy behind you and just managed to clip you in the back. Should have waited for the straight to overtake him. Sorry again, hope there was no damage to your car.

No, no damage to the car, nerves only.  ;D It happens when we're all bunched together. Even so, the group was tighter as Fozzmeister was driving defensively and was braking a bit early. I hit Fozzmeister a few laps afterwards in the same spot when I wanted to stay close to overtake. He allways had a better exit and managed to stay in front of me - until the incident.  :-\

Part of driving defensively is to have slow apex speed and dictate when you put throttle down. The only two ways you'd get past me is if you back off and take a run at me (as i can't do that then) or for me to make a mistake... You found the third way :)

Fozzmeister

That was a total disaster for me, Im very dissapointed tbh.

After all the practice and getting the lines almost right, I went and hit the bleeding wall at the beginning of the start-finish!! I must have spun off about 6 times during the race, just through trying too hard really :(

Hope I didnt get in anyones way whilst being lapped.

I *think* I've calmed down now...

What a fantastic experience that was. In my 20+ years of gaming, that was one of the best.

Just want to start off by saying it's a real bummer that quite a few people had technical problems, looks like the 1FPS bug hit hard last night, I really feel for you  :'( So frustrating after you've put a lot of practice in.

I was astounded at how good the qualifying times were, even though I managed to put in a PB of 1:43.7 it was only good enough for 12th! Hats off to the <1:42 guys, fantastic.

That was the first time I felt I was "in the race" for the whole time and I had company for pretty much the whole race, takes it to a completely different level.

The battle with PaulW and Mike Wrightson was absolutely awesome, Paul, I was praying for you to hold Mike off as I knew I was next in line! Thought we did a pretty good job though, definately don't want to be easy to pass :) I was surprised how long I lasted, superb driving from Mike as I'm sure I messed up a few corners and caused a few (unintentional) problems!

The last 10 mins seemed to go on forever with PaulW chasing me, we had a few moments with back markers where I thought you might have a go but we were pretty even for pace I think although I was pushing a bit harder to keep you at bay.


Thanks Paul, I really appreciate that :) - I managed to take a bit too much curb which dragged the car round a bit too far for me to recover from, broke the splitter (can I have a re-enforced one, they break too easily ;D) which meant I had to limp the last 1.5 laps and let Picnic grab a place.

I'd done a similar thing the previous lap and just got away with it so I can't complain really. I *think* that because I'd been pushing a bit harder that my tyres weren't in quite as good a shape as I thought which led to the mistake.

Still, 7th feels good. I was hopeful of a top 10 finish so that's pretty sweet. My goal was to get at least one top 8 finish this season as I thought that would get me in the points (however, now we're FILSCA-less the scoring system seems to have changed  :D) so mission accomplished  :D

I think Magny has now become my favourite track, someone else mentioned that the 90min endurance race helped enormously and I'll back that up, after making a right pig's-ear of that race I knew where I was going wrong in my practice for this race.

Pops

Ack! No :-[ I turned off my replays in an attempt to fix the 1FPS bug.

DOH!  PaulW, did you get yours??

I've gotta remember to rename them as soon as I exit the race :(

On the 1fps bug thing, I have read on Simbin forums that the non-DX server causes it a lot more than the DX server.

I tend to find pressing the brake pedal less works.  ;) ;) ;D ;D 8) 8) :P

Ah! Some good points for Team Shark. Well done Pete.

Yes I think this is probably the case, but we have no choice on that as Picnic's server has no CD drive.

From the responses so far I've tallied - 3 hit invisible cones, 2 got 1 FPS bug in race, 2 had CTDs in race.
Shame on you Simbin.

I've got one just called 'Magny Cours' which looks like last night- is this the standard one that gets overwritten each time you race? (never really looked at my own replays!).

How does that differ from the one Picnic is able to provide given that in both you can switch between cars and viewpoints ?

Paul, you should find the race replay will be several MB is size. You shouldn't have overwritten last night's replay as the server never cycled to the next event as Chris couldn't quit for some reason.

The major advantage of the client replays is the cars have wheels!

Magny-Cours.Vcr of 17+ MB on my hdd, maybe that's the one you're looking for? :)

19-07-2005 23:04 So I guess that's the one. I'll have a look later or get it from your soon to be favorite page:

http://www.tyfdesk.com/gtrmovies/magny_cours_20050719.rar Should work soon-ish

T

P.S. Good race, although I still can't get to grips with the Bi-T lol!  ;D

Lol, wheels, a small but fairly crucial element to any race.
It's all working but, seeing as I turned down the fidelity a notch, comes in at 12Mb. It looks like Tyf has a higher fidelity replay then at 17Mb :)

By the way, where the heck is that invisible cone? I hit it on the first lap but then somehow missed it for the rest of the race even though I took just about every line through that chicane over the 30 minutes?

Last night was a classic, from my POV anyway, here's to many more (1fps free) races in the future  :D

They kindof get hit off then skate along the floor at a constant rate. I think you only hit them if you go through them when they are stationary, and then they move after you have hit them (and keep moving with no friction on anything).

Smartarse   ::)  ;D

Paul, if you can get yours to me that would be fantastic!  If it still looks good at the lower fidelity, it'll be used for the movies.  I have mine on High but with the "super" setting turned off.  I'll grab Tyf's as well, the more the merrier :D

When I came round on the pace lap, the cones at the last chicane were missing.  But I still hit one that wasn't there a few laps later.  I guess the game replaces the cones when the race starts but doesn't put the graphics back  ::)

Oh _that_ is wierd, the only experience I have is them being like invisible mines laying it the middle of the track, waiting to throw random cars around.

Cool, I use the same settings. I wonder if there is some way I could FTP this? Or we could try a 12Mb email?  :o

The cone thing is just sh1te, there's no other way of putting it. I noticed the cone on the second to last corner was a little 'dinged' but thought I'd cut it fine. I was close, but not close enough to cause the car to jerk off the track like it did. Perhaps one of your invisible cones was lying on it's side and sticking out from a previous hit.

Watch poor Matjas though a couple of laps in and he hits one full on half way down the start/finish straight as he runs alonside the wall, crazy stuff.

What with the CTD, 1fps bug and ghost concrete walls it's such a lottery whether you even finish :(

For me there were no cones in the last chicane (visualy and physicaly) but in the middle of the road on the start/finish straight. I hit it pretty bad but still managed to rejoin in one piece. I'm more woried about CTD which I've never experienced before.

If you have any free webspace from your ISP, you could use it.  Quite easy to do.  Or we can try the email route :)

Another way is to use this:
www.yousendit.com

It allows you to upload a file that you want distributed, then you email the link it gives you to whoever you want to receive it.

Sorry if this turns into a pain Paul but I'd quite like a copy of your replay too if poss.

We need to get some kind of UKGTR BitTorrent system going for these big files flying around :)

Like others here, I also had game problems which affected my race somewhat. I had terrible frame rate problems so my qual lap was slower than normal, leaving me in 5th - not sure I would have been on the front row though. The race started well, as I managed to get past Mike as he rear-ended Bernie. Then it all went badly wrong, as I got a big freeze on the way out of 180, which lost me a place or 2, and then several more stutters which took me off into the gravel at Chateau D'eau. I was starting to think about quitting when the stuttering stopped and I rejoined in about 11th. The frame rate was still awful tho, and following cars though corners was much harder than normal. I gradually picked up a few places as drivers went off, and then had a good little battle with Popa until we both ran wide at Estoril, Popa more so, and I was past. Several more laps and I was up to 4th and then 3rd behind Tom, who eventually half spun at 180, leaving me in 2nd. Bernie was long gone by then so I was just trying to get to the end, but the frame rate problem finally caught up with me as I messed up Chateau D'Eau and let Tom back in front. Mike had a late dive down the inside into Lycee but I could tell it was ambitious and watched him sail past into the gravel. Then spent a few laps catching Tom, and on the last lap I was right on his tail into the final chicane. Gave it a bootfull in the vain hope of getting past, but spun, so knowing the next car would be along soon I used a trick I heard about from a 968 race driver who did much the same - I whacked it in reverse and got over the line that way! I was so relieved to get away with this that I totally missed the fact that it wasn't the last lap after all! Looking at the timings I was down as a DNF - doh! While I can blame myself for being stupid, on reflection I had my hands full just controlling the car at what seemed like 10fps, so I don't feel too bad about it now. May have to look into some hardware tho if this continues.

Paul

No probs at all. Here it is:

http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0SRSHCXLU7OYR0YND69VK21TQS

got it!! thats excellent  ;D

Just pulling it down now - Cheers Paul! ;D

I'm a bit confused....  ???

The results (on the front page) are showing that I finished 6th, however, I'm pretty sure that I was 7th over the line?

I notice that PaulW thought he was 4th (earlier in the thread) and now he's moved up to 3rd in the results.

Is this another GTR bug or did something happen to one of the top 3?

Pops.

The results appear correct compared to the export but I did see some "wierdness" in the Race export file, with some drivers listed twice. First time I've seen that particular problem with the export. Would somebody like to volunteer to check the replay to see what the real finishing order was?

Looked at the server replay, Truetom was 2nd :)

Dammit, have I diddled myself out of a place?  ;)

Maybe I'll get some bonus points for honesty!  ;D

Yep, as I suspected the race export has some bogus entries. :( Dammit, every time I think I've got a handle on the bugs in GTR another one wil pop out of the woodwork to make my life harder. >:(

Okay, sorted that out. I wonder - did truetom and Paul Adams leave the race shortly after crossing the line or something? Or is GTR just rubbish? ::)

I've put a sanity check in the results importer now to try and prevent this in the future. Many thanks to Popabawa for pointing the error out.

Yeah, thanks a bundle Pops ;)  ;D

Nah, I can confirm I was 4th. Some people left I think Dave. How about we grab a screenshot as the last guy crosses the line for reference?

Now that I know about this particular problem it won't recur anyway - do we know if the screenshot would actually be correct anyway if, say, the winner disconnected before  other drivers had finished? I suspect not... :-\

I think the screenshot approach is a fantastic idea, I voluteer to take it... As soon as everyone but me has left :-)

Ummm, I seriously don't remember. I know I made a whole lap back to pits in GT, but here I really don't know.  :(

A screenshot used to be just about the only 'proof' you would have of a win in FPS games online. So on the rare occasion my clan won I always took one, lol! At the moment I wouldn't know which key it is though in GTR, but will check that later. Perhaps if, say, the top 5 take a screenshot and the admins do, if they are there, we'll have an easier way to sort out the finishing positions.

T