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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:10	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:20	(30 mins)
Warmup:	20:50	(5 mins)
Race:	20:55	(80 mins)

Cars allowed: any GT1, G2, GT2 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.6.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (G2 and GT2 cars will not score points).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Valencia GP
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Upper Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=60). Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

Be aware that the driver lists are not yet ready.

Please also note that we are re-introducing a short warmup session. This is so that once we reach the second round, we will want a short period in which each driver's success ballast can be verified.

Sorry if this is covered elsewhere, but what's the point of running non point scoring cars in a championship (G2, GT2), don't they just get in the way?

Does this mean people wont be carrying success ballast in quali?

There are a few strange people with a peculiar attachment to the 993 GT2, so this gives them a chance to run it (and also in the GT1 sprints). Allowing GT2s isn't really going to be a problem as they're slightly quicker than the GTC cars, and I'd rather the grid was full of people in cars they feel comfortable with than shoehorn reserves into cars they hate.

No, everyone should get the correct ballast as they join the server, but since we don't yet have a mechanism in place to ensure that GTR2 Manager's idea of each person's driving name and their actual driving name are properly aligned, we need a period before the race where we can verify that the ballasts have indeed been set correctly.

Obviously in the first race everyone will be carrying 0kg so it won't really matter.

Provisional driver lists are now available from the standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=60) page. As I suspected we don't really have enough drivers for two Endurance championships, so anyone who asked for a GTC spot in Endurance is encouraged to turn up as a reserve for this race (I will!) as you might be moved over from Lower to Upper Endurance anyway.

Does this imply that there is the possibillity that the U6LE may cease to be? :o

I don't understand? There were 52 registrations for endurance - how is this not enough for 2 races?

No. But it may be that some people will run in the GTC class in both, or switch classes.

Ah - I see what you mean now. Not enough drivers so double up to fill the gaps.

Server capacity is 28 * 2 = 56. When I went to school 52 was less than 56. There other factors of course.


Indeed. Hopefully some drivers will switch classes too but until I finish the Lower Endurance registrations we won't know for sure.

I would like to switch to a GT1 reserve Dave. I want to have a full time place in the lower GTC race as a priority.

Phew   ;D that saves me having to re arrange all the new web pages I've just made for the team site.

Yes, amazingly my calculator backs you up - well I never  ::)

Are you switching to the Vertigo then? If you're actually going to race Upper Endurance in GT1 then why not full time?

Because I can't say that I will do enough races Dave. I got tired of contact in GT1 last season so I don't have the desire to do a full season. I do however want to race GTC, but I want to race the quickest drivers (who are mostly in the GT1 endurance and so cannot do upper GTC) and the GT2s, both of which will be in the lower endurance. I think I've made it clear enough where I stood on the issue of an ability split.

[Edit] No, I'm not switching to the Vertigo. Is there a reason why I should?

You did, yet your position here is not consistent with those views.

If you race a quicker driver and want to race in both Endurances, I strongly advise you to either run GTC in Upper (full time or reserve) and GT2 in Lower, or GTC Upper as a reserve (let's face it, there will be spaces) and GTC Lower full time in the Vertigo with the other quicker drivers. If we're going to make two Endurance series work we all need to be prepared to make some compromises and sacrifces or we'll see more withering grids.

I'm quite happy to make compromises Dave, but I don't have the information to hand to make any choice yet. All I know is that most of the quick drivers who I normally compete against are doing GT1 endurance, hence they cannot do upper GTC endurance. I am not really interested in driving round for 80 minutes with one or two other drivers for company, and this is what upper GTC promises to be for me.

Lower GTC on the other hand has GT2 drivers as well, so if I drive GTC I will almost certainly be battling some of them as well, much as I did last season in the sprint. Looking at the number registering for the Vertigo, I assumed (and this was all I could do) that a fair number of the quick GT1 drivers would be in the race in non-vertigos. I hope that some will choose GTC like me, but until I see who chose what I can only guess. If you are telling me that all the fast drivers are taking Vertigos then that might change things. Even so, the Vertigo may be very competitive in a GTC endurance race so there isn't really any need not to choose another GTC instead. Personally I prefer the other GTCs because the Vertigo is a bit too forgiving.

The point is, the race I want to be in is definitely the lower race. My priority is having as many other cars as possible at a similar pace. I may well race in Upper Endurance, but I don't want that place to prevent me getting a full time slot in lower GTC endurance.

One other idea to make it more attractive to race in upper GTC. Could you try creating a lighter cup car? If you can boost it's performance a bit I might have a chance to compete with the GTCs. Just a thought.

For the championship to have any meaning in Endurance we need cars of the same class racing each other if at all possible.

I've posted a very provisional Lower Endurance (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=61) listing - I doubt that you'll be racing many of the GT2 cars in a GTC, you'll either be zipping off into the distance or left for dead. In GTC we have pribeiro, Adam and Zacari in the Vertigo, all of whom ought to be pretty competetive. It's probably only Reign Man who will give you a run for your money in a non-Vertigo GTC.

Ultimately I'm not going to prevent you running any GTC you like in Lower Endurance (assuming the grids aren't full), but you'll no doubt end up moaning about always carring maximum ballast after the first three rounds. :P

If you find the Vertigo too forgiving you aren't driving it hard enough... ;) :laugh:


I suggested that a while back and it was generally thought that you'd have to take a huge amount of weight off it to make it truly competetive. It's way too late now in any case. Now if you were to sign up for GT3 Endurance I'll bet you could get in amongst the slower GTC cars in the GT3 Cup - I seem to recall that you've managed it before...

Would it help or hinder at all if I was to swap into Lower Endurance GTC from GT2?...this would mainly to ensure an even spread of team drivers accross both classes as we currently have three in GT2 and only one in GTC.

I would be though - GTC in a GT2/GTC championship. At the end of the day though, close racing is more important than winning a championship (to me anyway).


That isn't how I read it. I think I will have a chance to mix it with some GT2s, although clearly the faster ones won't hang around. I also wonder whether there might be a few reserves adding to the list. I have no problem competing with the Vertigo boys btw.



That is the only fly in the ointment.


Bring it on Nissan boy! Any time you'd like to compare laptimes we can see who's not driving hard enough  :P Even when you are flogging it to death, the Vertigo lets you get away with murder! [sorry for the rather excessive morbidity in that sentence  ;)]


Yes, but then you were talking about creating a cup car capable of competing on level terms. In this case I just want a leg up to bridge the gap a little. The cup car in standard trim isn't quick enough to challenge the GTCs unless there is a big driver difference, but take around 60-80 Kgs off and it would be not too far off. With the success ballast it would be worth a try IMO. I would be far more interested in driving a lightened cup car than a lonely drive in upper GTC.

It looks a pretty impressive line-up in GTC, I hope I can coax a performance out of the Vertigo to compete.

Good luck to everyone for the upcoming season :thumbup1:

Hey Paul dont write us all off in upper enduro GTC  ;)

DG, If it helps, i wouldnt mind a reserve slot for the lower enduro in GT2 perhaps. I usually race every week anyway and no doubt there will be a few drop outs. Plus that means i get to race TT and Sharky boy  :)

Not writing anyone off Mark, I just prefer to mix it in the middle of the pack than drive up near the front, especially in a long endurance race. I really enjoyed the GTC sprint last year, so I'd like to see more of that sort of racing.

To be fair, we are all writing you off Jonzo ;)

Agreed Pops, as far as I can see we are all pretty evenly matched in GTC. I fully expect a memorable season  :) . Just hope the Morgan is competitive in my hands now.

Good luck to you all.

TBH I'm tempted to simply scrub the registration process for everything but GTC/GT2 Sprint - but we have slightly too many drivers to make Endurance a free for all.

I understand where you coming from with that Dave, but IMO the registration for events both ensures a position on the grid for 'regular' drivers...even if by chance there was a full grid...and also allows people to do exactly what they are doing at the moment (apart from causing you headaches ;D) and adjust their registrations to be able to race against the people/abilities they think will make for better racing.

I'd be very wary of spending a lot of time practicing if I didn't have a guaranteed slot to race  :-\

Come and play with us in GT3... come on... you know you want to...

No Thanks - not keen on racing vipers in a cup car. You had better put me in lower GT2 and upper GTC. 

Could you swap me from GT2 to GTC please in the Lower endurance....If its required that is....or would it make any difference if I only turned up in a GTC car?

thats fighting talk Ginsters  :fencing: consider yourself slapped for a duel  ;D
If that Morgan was the equivalent of a good old British Mosquito 'wooden wonder' fighter bomber i would be worried...but its more of a Morris Minor with a V8  :-*

Definitely the wrong thread... but the ideal would be that you switch to GT1 in Upper Endurance and GTC in Lower...

Bombardier Ginsters is more than happy with the new, improved, Michelin shod, flying Morgan thank you  :). Its a different animal now thanks Dave. The rest is unfortunately up to us.

Gotta say I'm a bit dissapointed that it lags quite a way behind RS, in my extensive 10 lap session, but who wants to drive a 911? ;)

Morris Minor with a V8 (http://www.geocities.com/jharkola/minor.html)

92BHP though.

Dave - can i have a full time spot in Upper Endurance GTC, or are these full?
Otherwise should i just enter as a reserve, and if so can i enter GTC if i required?

I'm in two minds between GTC & the G2 993 Porsche at present - i can more or less garauntee attendance every Sunday eveing however...

They're full at the moment but if past seasons are anything to go by there will be reserve places - GTC is fine.

No probs  ;D

I've got a dilemma  ???.

I've signed up for racing at beracing.be . A belgium league in which you can win a TrackIR if you win the champ. Champ is already halfway and in theory I can still win it (eventhough I haven't driven a race yet, there are still enough points).
I really would like to have Track IR, but as season is only half way and I drive a Lister there, it's a very small chance I'd win that.
They start at 7:00 pm and will finish 8:30. By that time Q has started here and it could be that I won't be able to join by then.
If there is still a spot in Q then I can do both races, if not, I'll have to drop Beracing.
Any help/advice from high up?

Not quite from high up or any useful advice Ruskus but I would of recommend starting at the start of seasons where there are prizes on offer  ;D

Race both, win both....probably  ;)

race the first one, then start the second race as a late joiner from the back of the grid.

we all know you belong on P28 of the grid anyway.  ;D :angel:

and your personal success ballast this season...is a caravan full of fat blokes  ;D

Yeah, I am leaning towards that as well.


I made a mistake, their races last 60 minutes, so by them time I am finished there (20:05), I might still make it in P1, or else P2. So I'll probably make it in time for Q2 ;D.
I'm using the Lister there and will also use it here, which is a good thing as I won't be having to make too many adaptions :).


Can I trade them for (Hooter's) hot chicks. The more the merrier then ;D

If you ever end up in Edinburgh Ruskus, try out the burke and hare and the western bar.

ooo.....missed this one too!

I think it's safer for me to be a reserve for GT1 Sprint + Enduro seeing as I'll be doing a lot of moving around in the coming weeks and can't really guarantee my attendance until well into October. Should still be OK though.

Quite like Valencia, so this'll be fun!

Hi
Can you please explain how you setup the weather or link to the topic that explain it
When should i consult the weather page
Suppose it predit rain, how you do it, its aleatory or there is a fix window time to rain, i.e it will be a surprise for everyone or we can  hava a idea of when it will be raining. for exemple 1st 20 min dry, 2nd 20 rainning ...

It's random. The initial conditions are set based on the 'current' conditions as reported by Weather Underground shortly before the race and a weather file is then generated which randomly perturbs those conditions.

So we can seen it in garage like usual, i think understood. Thanks ;)

Ok guys, what car have you chosen for S6.

It's the Morgan for me...

MC12

I'm pretty sure I'll be continuing on in the Lister :)

I'll take the Vertigo for this race, the prospect of Monza in it isn't appealing though!

I'm with Pops.....well...at the start anyway ;)

Great, I'll have someone to race. I suspect I'll be a little off the pace :-\

I will be in the MC12 also.

about 1.5 secs a lap behind mo :D

Oh good....I havn't even turned a wheel at Valencia yet....too busy with the website and other things...but hopefully I can get within a couple of seconds of you.

Lambo.  8)  Last season I had MC12 for an excuse of being slow. Have to find new one now...  :P

TT

Last seasons F550 experiment over, didn't like it, going back to Lambo. I hate nose heavy cars.

I can not drive US built cars without a built-in gunrack and banjo and since I do know how pathetic MC12 is I tried Lister for lap and a half at Valencia since we see so few of them on the track, but got lost (literally, went offtrack, had no idea where I was) due to right hand drive issue.  ;D  ::)

Lamboada with TT & Kerr pending....  8)

Lambo for me :)

I have a aniversary party , but i will try to do this race.

Well...looks like I might struggle to make this now. What with being back home for a few weeks, I've been invited to 2 party's in 2 nights but one of them is tomorrow....bugger  8)

Looks like endurance is once again the one that'll suffer for me....I spose I could race in the Lower Endurance for Valencia as I'm a reserve now, but only if my points could be removed really. I don't want to affect their championship.

Just get in there and race. Points are not the most important thing to most people here, but having people to race against certainly is.

Will miss this one as I have no GPU  :-\. Will take the Lister for endurance.

I will be here. Sticking with the Lambo again this season.

I have been toying with the idea of a change and can be faster in other cars but, I always find myself driving the Lambo through fun and choice.

I still struggle with this track, just can't seem to get it right and make too many mistakes.

Can't see me up the front or getting near the lap records set by Jon as they are pretty damn quick!

:jumpjoy:

Haha

 :P. I'll just try harder the next race to overcome the loss  ;D

Seems like no one has the balls to take the MC12 this season.  :P
 
TT

Only the Kerbies are hard enough TT  8)

I'll take it for sprints :). One of the few cars I haven't used yet, running out of options  :P

I believe Reign Man will be making an appearance in an MC12.

I liked the car, but I'm not fast enough for it.  :)  Maybe other drivers can get something out of it.  :)

TT

I can get the MC12 around a number of tracks quicker than the Lambo.

I can't get it to ride the kebs though an make too many mistakes because of that

I am changing to the Saleen this season. See you all tonight.

I will be taking the MC12, and I'm sure Mo said he would be driving it aswell

erm.. what time is the race? lol

Ive searched everywere and couldnt find lol

Maybe not quite everywhere eh?

https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3448.msg56272#msg56272

It's a toss up between the Viper, Vette and the Lambo for this series for me. I love the Lambo, but I've just painted a new skin for the Viper and I have hardly ever raced that or the Vette so might try them for variety. I'm sure I'll be rubbish at the first race in whatever using it as an extended test session to find a decent base setup for the race of the season.

Don't forget that those times are UK local - currently UTC+1.

Is there an official list of car ballasts somewhere on the forum for me to look at / help me make a car choice decision?

You can see them most easily in the game...

lol thanks for reminding that i need glasses lol.  ;D

For some reason in between Qually and race my control settings for my gears decided to cancel themelves out so i had no gears at the start >:(, spose it can only get better.

Don't know what went wrong at all.

During first practice Darren dissappeared from my screen before first corner, I assumed he had escaped only on exit he reappeared and I gave him a little nudge square on his bumper.

After my first qualifying run I was fastest according to my position on board and number 1 on screen too. I could not see any other peoples times or laps completed during qualification.

According to my screen Dan Milton in the Mosler was pole for 90% of qualification only for Claus to pip him at the end and leave me third.

I was baffled and getting wound up about it. I asked if anyone else was having trouble, but no answers.

I could see other cars and I knew they could see me as they would flash to let me past.

Come the race my screen was now showing Darren on pole, pressed RACE and got a black screen.

RACE OVER.

I connected to another server ad everything is fine again.

What has gone wrong for me?

We had kinda same things at Dutch league, and still not sure it was because of skinpack or weatherfile. Maybe a once in a lifetime screw-up from the game?

Also forgot to say I found it hard to join tonight. I put the correct password in about 5 times and it kept saying wrong password.

It was the correct password and eventually it took it, not sure if that means anything

My game was behaving so odd.

Not the way to begin the season,

My race was poor to say the least.

Qualified well,2nd in my league,behind Paul.

Come the race,everything went well(in the rolling start).
Until i came to the s/f line.
I deselected the limiter.And as i moved my hand i reselected it.
Wasn't impressed at all,as i let 3 or 4 cars past.
I managed to make up 2 places by the end of the lap.
Putting me 3rd in my league,and catching 2nd.

Then i totally screwed up.
Entering T1,which Ive done a 100 to 200 times.
I normally drop 2 gears to 4th.
But for some reason i went down 3.
Instantly blowing my engine.
ON THE 3RD GOD DAMN LAP.

Just for the record, I'm seriously P***** OFF with myself.

Unlucky John.  Seems a real shame considering the practise you have put in. :(

Unfortunately I also wasted hours of practise.  But the annoying thing is, I'm not the one to blame.  :-X

To complete a totally miserable night I encountered a spun GT1 car while exiting a corner.  Sorry for hitting you, but there was no way I could avoid you in time.  The impact resulted in 2 flat front tyres and damage to the front.  The damage was so bad I couldn't even move forward, even though I was on the tarmac.  RACE OVER....

Was anyone else having framerate issues?
Just before warmup, it was maybe 2 fps for me, then 20, and then 2 again.
As soon as warm up started and server re-set, it seemed ok, but was having some similar issues through the race, so quit in the end - the 993 GT2 is hard enough to drive without any additional problems  :-\

Dan reported having fps issues too.
Well what a horrid race! managed a reasonable quali and the race went ok initially, having a good scrap with John and a few others. Then I noticed my fuel, the stuff was dissappearing at a silly rate, it seems the estimates are screwed up on this track...brilliant. At EARLY first pistop I put even more fuel than I used for the previous laps( by some margin) and well, the thing needed a top up right at the end.   >:(
One to forget, and it seems like the Morgans are quicker than the Mosler now too, even on the straights.  :'(

great first race of the new season, quite enjoyed it despite being aggreived by the bastich AI.

Wasnt expecting much as speed 7's broke in week and had to resort to old DFP pedals not used for a year  :(  Was away all weekend so had no practise either.
Qually went better than i had hoped, grabbing a late charging 1:36.6 to leapfrog Adam and DG which helps big time on this track.
Race was going really well, gaining a few places up the grid as i got more familiar with the pedals and after 45 mins or so i was closing on 3rd or 4th GTC car.
However then i made the error of watching the battle between TT and Jure, having just lapped me in their GT1 cars, they were side by side down through the 's' curves and i watched them just too long as i ran wide and got a wheel caught in the quicksand gravel. I then had to watch frustrated as DG and then Pops steamed past and i lost about 10-15 seconds extracting myself  :'(
Annoyed with myself i set about steaming after them but after 50+mins of pushing my tyres were on edge and i had a bit of a moment on the final turn before s/f straight losing about 5-10 secs more.
I pitted a lap later for some fresh boots only and had a slick 25 sec pitstop....or so i thought ::)  The Spanish swine marshals hit me with a stop and go for apparent speeding in the pitlane..interesting as i was under AI control the whole time :taz:...rumour has it a Team Shark Nissan mechanic was seen slipping them some euros  :shifty:
I duly did my S&G 3 laps later and all went smoothly but now i was a poxy lap down on the front running GTC cars and my race was effectively over. I still gained a couple of late places but the damage was done.  :'(

Lapping GT cars were excellent this eve, had no problems at all with anyone, great driving. :thumbup1:

Congrats to the podium guys and especially class winners Claus and Paul.  :notworthy:

Not much to report from me - other than the Vertigo was getting murdered out there with the new and improved Morgan and 350Z.

I had my usual lap 1 mistake - getting it all over the place on the last corner, and dropping to the back of the field.  Got by a few people and then had to wait till the stops.  I couldn't put up an sort of fight against the GTC cars that caught me up - they all powered by on the straight.

Bit of a nothing race - I think next time I'll jump into a competitive car so I can go racing rather than hot-lapping for 80 mins.

Very poor FPS for me at times

Also in pits I had 27 cars on screen, whilst on track the top left said only 21.

Not sure how much else could have gone wrong for me. I'm a bit worried about the games behaviour tonight

Replay (https://replay.simracing.org.uk/) available, along with provisional results (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3448.new#event403) and standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=60).

I had absolutely no problems with the game tonight...either anything like Kerr suffered or with FPS.

What can I say about the race....

Started last and was very very consistent to finish last too....thats about it really.

I do offer appologies to the GT1 driver (sorry didn't notice who it was) that I pulled back infront of into turn 1...I had just let Simon through and simply didn't see any other cars coming till too late. :-[ Sorry, hope it didn't cause any problems.

Grats to winners and class podiums...and grats to to all lapping drivers...no problems to report :clap:

One to forget this one,

...bring on the next race

RM

Awesome start the season for me, only tempered by knowing that next time out I'm going to have some lead on board. Qualifying went well and I nearly equalled my best from the old -50kg/Dunlop 350Z in Season 4, but still started well down the field. My plan was to run as long as possible on mediums, then pit for softs and go hell for leather in the closing stages. I ran the engine at maximum revs the whole race without any problem - I think the Z has better cooling than the GT1 cars.

Great stuff from the Vertigo drivers who were seriously down on top end - it was quite scary the closing speed heading for T1. Twice I got up the inside of one going into the first turn only to find myself repassed on the exit, that was proper sweaty palm stuff, thanks Pops and Adam. 8)

My apologies to Ginsters for a bit of a love tap going into turn 1 - IIRC there was a G2 Porsche or a GT1 flying up between us and I braked at what I thought was a conservative point only to run into you anyway. :-[ Made sure you got it back under control ahead before I took the place properly. ;)

Excellent behaviour from all the GT1s - I'm afraid I held some of you up quite badly, but I always had another GTC either just ahead or just behind and just had no time at all to give up.

After the stop I had Darren right behind me, a lap down but in a mostly faster Morgan, but I decided to hold him up rather than let him past simply in case he then held me up. Then Pops came out of the pits a couple laps later and I pushed hard to make maximum use of my fresh, warm softs to make sure I got by.

It felt really good to be back in the familiarity of GTC after last season's GT1 experiment. I pushed to 99.5% the whole race and didn't make any stupid mistakes at all. Very satisfying and a class podium is the cherry on top. ;D

It's a little odd why an Minton did not complete a lap either, did you have the same problems as me?

I had no idea Backo or Zacari were involved in the race. There names did not appear on my screen.

Is there any chance that this is the 28 car problem rearing its ugly head? 26 always seemed more stable.

It was a good race for me.

I didn't expected at all, being so high in the order.

At the start i went from 3rd to 2nd, and then i spent the rest of the first stint fighting with a black mosler, which was great!

I pitted very late, changed the strategy.. messed up with the fuel and the result was spending the rest of the race saving fuel, i finished with 2L only lol

I apologize if i held up anyone in the gt1 class. This was my first race with a non GT1 Car.

I'd like to congratulate everyone! you guys have here a very good comunity of racers!

One more thing, i checked the results and it shows that i have no team. Something's wrong cause i race for Sonic racing team along with F. Marques.  8)

Ok..seen the replay....sorry TT :(

Think I am going to change car choice though....now the RS and Modena are in and the Morgan and Z have been on steroids...the poor little vertigo is well out classed.  I have to use it still in the lower endurance...but for this I will drop it. Shame, I like the car but I dont really turn up just to do a sightseeing tour  :laugh:

Hold you up???  I was clearly faster you cheeky git.  ;D

Great driving! You really are difficult to get past.  Everytime I got close enough to put you under pressure I had to back off again to let the GT1 boys through.  :'(

Was a bad race for me , because i touche Darren and later PRibeito, sorry for that guys, i was breaking later, so i wait for them and all of us loose the train. Maybe better next time :)

Congratulations to the winners

Mixed race for me this time. Lambo is way faster for me than MC12 but I got used to rapid MC12s turn in. I never succeeded to set up Lambo to dive into turn 1 the way MC12 did. Quali was slow - I was 1 sec off of my PB.  :(  The beginning was bad - turn 2 and my cold brakes didn't work yet. I let at least 2 cars by.  >:( Was behind Backo, close and at the end of a big straight I suddenly saw a huge cloud of dust. Was watching it and braked too late, sent Backo into the gravel to join Shark and Reign Man.  :( Sorry Backo - completely my fault.  :-[  Waited for Backo to regain position and a looooot of cars went by. We caught Jure and for some minutes I backed off, watching the battle and hoping to gain some for me.  ;D  Eventually Backo passed Jure and then I closed in. Like MJ said we were racing closely. I saw I gain most in turn 4 so I tried to exploit this and combined with a slight mistake of Jure in that exact corner resulted in contact that sent Jure directly into the wall.   :o Damn! Sorry  :-[  Fortunately he could go on - if he couldn't I was prepared to quit.  :(  Well, I waited (again  ::) ) and a looooot of cars went by. More close racing with Jure and eventually I was able to squeeze inside a turn. Right MJ - you watched it closely I saw.  :P  Then Backo pit and was full of fuel, on cold tires. He let me pass, rather than holding me until his tires warmed - thank you.  8)
Then I pit and was after Shark. Was closing and I think that was your moment of glory, Psuedo!  ;D  Really - Shark went by and I was 20 meters behind. How could you not see me?  :P  Never mind, our contact was a miracle: it just slowed me down a bit, you spinned and as far as I could see you ended in a right direction and just kept driving.  :D
What was then? An EPIC battle with Sharkie-boy. 25 minutes we were never more than 5 seconds apart. Damn that torque.  :taz: Every time I got close through the corners he drove away on the straight with that Viper. I swear I was within 1 cm at the last corner and at the end of straight it was 20 meters again.  :(  And again. And again.  ::)  Was trying different approaches, lines entries, exits. Bah! No use. He just stayed on the inside and then pressed the right foot down. End of story.  :no:  Very good defensive driving, Shark.  :) 
All in all an undeserved 5th place. With less mistakes it could be better.  :)
Superb behavior of slower classed cars (drivers).  :)   And Psuedo.  ;)   Don't worry buddy, you'll never catch the stupidest move I made in Season 1 when I punted out Fozzmeister.  ;D

TT
 

I had slight fps issues in qually and decided to give it a miss incase i ruined anyones race.  I was only a reserve so didn't feel too bad about it.

Congrats to class podiums, hopefully I will have better luck next time.

A good start to the season I thought, no problems to report with fps and the skin pack looked great!

Quali was pretty much on my PB from practice, though I still got pipped at the death of quali by CJ in the mid-27s :laugh:  The race was good, though it was a massive shame not to see Kerr take the grid :( sounds like a very odd problem, I was looking forward to a good race there.  I tried to keep up with CJ, but after we got mired in the GTC's I lost touch, losing 3-4 tenths a lap.

I decided to pit early and try to get an advantage from fresh rubber.  It didn't work :D I got stuck fighting for position amongst the other GT1's, which was fun but lost me a bit of time.  CJ pitted and was still 9 seconds up the road, and after that it was a steady trot 'till the flag.  Grats to the other podium-goers, and Simon for dragging the American beast to 4th :laugh:
Good stuff by all the GTC guys too, for such a twisty track it was pretty easy-going when lapping.  Great to see a 350Z on the podium too! :clap:

It'll be interesting to see how the ballast changes things for Monza, one of my favourite tracks.  Will be interesting in the Lister!


Oh, and I think maybe TT has taken ZiP Tyf's record for the number of smilies used in a post :laugh: :P

At most it could be a 27 car problem. :P It's possible, although we also had some new guys tonight who might've ignored the ISDN setting request in the announcement, and it also seemed to be related to those having FPS problems - which is known to cause odd behaviour online.

That explains why I was catching you hand over fist at the end - oh for 2 more laps! The frugal Z finished with 10l left!


That's because the team hasn't registered you as a driver. It doesn't happen by magic!

What can I do to rectify my problems? Nothing like this happened before and obviously I dont want it to happen again.    From what I have read it seems like Zacari was appearing on my screen as Minton, as it looked from my screen cj pinched pole from him near the end of qualifying. I did not have zacari or backo on my screen.    Really disappointed about it as was looking forward to a good race and season.      Anyone shed any light?

Real mixed bag that.

Quali was tough with terrible fps for me. I sympathise with you Brian but luckily it improved for me in race time.

Following advice from high, I took it nice and sensible from start (which wasn't too tidy from where I was). Then


Surprisingly, this tap damaged my rear aero and made it all very tricky. Pleased to get home in the end.

I don't think some of the GT1 behaved that well, considering they have all had experience of this. Far too many times I made room for one, fair enough, and the closely following GT believed they had the right to get by at the same time. Pretty inconsiderate  ???

Qualifed 8th, finished 4th.

I did about 10 minutes practice before the race to start setting up the Viper for my first time out in it since I think before season 4 started. I thought 1:29.2 in TT mode was pretty good going looking at the Valencia Season 4 times. Lo and behold the leaders were still 2 seconds faster than me, which wasn't exactly a surprise as I know I don't have the pace of the top half of the GT1 field. Still I was pretty pleased to get a 1:29.6 in qualifying only 0.4 slower than my TT mode time. Apart from anything else the temperatures were quite warm for qualifying make soft rears not viable on the Viper.

The Viper had immense grunt down the main straight and I was able to pull so much time there it was quite amazing. Basically the grunt was my saving bacon as drivers could find no way by and it allowed me to pass a couple of people for position without outright pace on the main straight. In fact the torque is so good that when Zacari came to lap me I stuffed it into 6th gear out the final corner so he could pass easily and I still had to back off to let him by on the straight it was pulling so well in 6th gear! 8) :o

Last 16 minutes was the usual immense battle with TT 8). He had more pace in the Lambo and had caught me up, but he could find no way by and my power down the straights was plenty to keep him in check. It was so good down the main straight that I was cheeky enough to wiggle my arse a few times at him as I powered away down the main straight in the knowledge he wasn't going to get anywhere near me in the main overtaking corner. Sorry TT I couldn't help it. ;D Then he flashed me a couple of time to say he was enjoying the scrap and that I should give him a chance. :angel: ;) Good fight as usual thanks.

Very surprised to get 4th in the Viper as I certainly did not have top 4 pace. Keeps the team points afloat whilst I wait for super-alien Jeff to return and help me out in the Team Shark team. Monza next so the Viper should be good there, which will make up for me cause I hate Monza. I think 4th is no success ballast either way for me which I was not expecting. I was expecting to be in the bottom half of the GT1 field, certainly on pace so was hoping there would be even more negative ballast for the Viper.

Thanks to all the GTC drivers, you were all very kind. First time I've done GT1 in a multi-class race for a while. I think I got my lapping of the GTC cars done ok, with only a couple of occasions where I probably shouldn't have gone for it when I did, so apologies if I did anything un-toward. It's so twisty there that GTCs kept flashing me through in the corners which I don't really like doing. The Viper is a bit understeery even with my setup changes and there were some corners I preferred cars to just drive and I'd wait rather than be let me through in the corner as I was worried about going off into the gravel.

The track was very busy last night and although the GTC cars were definately a lot easier to pass than GT2s it was hard to get any rythum after the first part of the race as there only the occasional lap that went by where you didn't have to lap someone. I'm sure that was true from the GTC side too where they would have to make some kind of concession to let GT1s through. Will be a lot different at Monza which will bring it's own spin on lapping cars safely (the closing speeds will be even greater and judging whether or not you are able to get through before the next corner will be another challenge).

Grats to the podium places.

I must say I really saw the other end of the coin, Ginsters. Meaning that in GT1 I was prepared to bully my way through in some situations but almost every time I was let through even when deciding for that course (I'm not saying I would do it). When I wasn't, I waited. But that's my point of view, the lapped driver might have another.  :)  I did follow Shark through when he was lapping as we were in a direct duel. I followed in two situations even when I knew it was risky, now that I think back.  :(  No, Psuedo, that was not your situation.  ;D  I thought you'll stay on your side of the track.  ;)
One situation was when Shark was lapping Rob Bywater in turn 4. There was a slight undecisive moment from both Rob and Shark and a gap opened. I went for it but it closed too soon for me to back off. I had a touch with Shark and he touched Rob. Don't know what happened with Rob, we went on driving.  :(  I'm sorry Rob, but I must say I will probably go for that kind of  gap again in a moments decission. Even more so if I got as few opportunities as I got with following Shark.  :)
All that said, Ginsters, GTC drivers are to have most of the credit for lapping to go as smoothly as it did. Of course, smoothly means for GT1 while GTCs lost their rhytm.  :(  But that's a neverending story. I'm just happy that mostly we are experienced already with this and it goes better than in some other leagues.  :)

TT

I thought that too many times I was "obliged" to let the GT1 cars through. I could kinda guess what was about to happen, knew it was naughty from them, but just got outta the way. Did feel like I was being bullied (don't worry I am big and ugly enough to stand up for myself :)). True enough the track didn't help none.

Of course, standards are far above most here and should be commended. However, I felt that last night could have been improved upon and sure it will :)

Kerr&co: my experience shows that ANYTIME one has problems with password entering an event one experiences low FPS and ghost/non-existent cars. You should have (at least) left multiplayer window, then rejoin. Restarting the game would be even better.

Incidently, how many of you guys went out during warmup? I did 2-3 laps without recording a time (which I'm sure I did, no cutting corners or such but still my in-car LCD did not show time... it started new timed lap every time, but the second I've crossed S/F line - nothing. No time posted. Weird).

Also: warm-up time table showed some 4, maaaaaybe 5 drivers posting a lap time, not more and I'm pretty sure there were more of us out there, right?

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Anyway, had a typical Jure gets to an unfamiliar track without practice race.

Was funny though since gazza49er and backo drive same cars, blimey. Was pulling away from gazza, then suddenly same car was all over my rear fender although I was doing (relatively) fast laps at the time.  :D Of course it was backo, giggle.

Had some nice racing with TT (don't worry about that nudge, it's becoming traditional, remember? Can't wait for next race though, next time I'm the one who will pass you while you'll be engaged with a backmarker, ha! You ruined our fun, argh. :P  ).

Zacari, how dare you whine about inconciderate GT1 cars!  ;D After you came out of the pits I let you by, it seemed stupid to race you and ruin your chances of victory (although can't talk about rest of the guys you caught up, I think TT was next in line at the time...)

Anyway, finishing 8th after a forced pitstop while qualifying 10th is not so bad. Having 3-4 forced and unforced ( ::) )off track excursions (last one ruined a great battle brewing with mo in closing stages of the race, came close, then messed up again) didn't help either.

Gizmo, sorry for the nudge... god knows when, but I know there was one (at the time you had a scrap with a legends vertigo). Luckily I stopped and let you and that vertigo you were racing by to see you two have some more fun.  :)

All in all a fun race, was surprised how easy it was to pass lower class cars since I was expecting a major traffic nightmare (cause if they'd stuck to their lines going at their max, one could be stuck behind them for half a lap or so). Hats off, respect.

As Adam said, that's the end of the Vertigo, I was losing so much down the straights it was just no fun at all.

The race went OK-ish, I wasn't really on top form, a few silly mistakes crept in. It didn't help when I thumped a GT1 when he decided to re-join mid-corner after a spin ::)

The GT1's were nothing short of excellent. I felt particularly sorry for Mo and BACKO who seemed to catch me in the worst part of the track each time they lapped me. Nice work boys and thanks for making it easy :)

I have to apoligise to Mo. Sorry about the contact, I accelerated out of the corner as normal thinking you'd zoom away but to my surprise I touched you :'(

Tough race in the MC12, found it hard to be consistant in it.
Qualified better than my real pace tbh in 4th place and then Brian sadly had problems which left me chasing the two Listers of CJ and Zac, but they were too quick and I was losing a few tenths every lap. Zac pitted early which left me in a surprised second in the Maserati.
That was as good as it got though, when pitting I couldn't slow enough for the pit entry and got a stop/go which dropped me right down the field. Then another couple of offs and some mix ups with backmarkers I completely lost my rythm and just hauled it over the line for 7th.
Happy enough though because its the first enduro race I've finished in a long time, at least my pitcrew seem to be able to service a car this season.


Zooming away is something that the MC12 doesn't do very well, as emphasised by the fact that I couldn't out accelerate you with twice the bhp ::) No worries m8.

Must apologise to Darren - I spun at T4(?) and ended up stranded in the middle of the track. I had just got into reverse with spinning wheels when you came round the bend, but I couldn't get out of the way quick enough. That Morgan really disintegrated when you hit me, sorry it ended your race.

I remember something about that - it was my most focused race for a very long time and I was blotting moments like that out very easily. 8)


The KC MC12 is a bleedin' scary thing to be racing up in the mirrors though! :o ;D

Had a rather lonely race, although Valencia is a fun place to slide the Morgan round  ;D I waited till the closest drivers behind had pitted before doing the same, and then came out not far behind Dave who was still on his long first stint. Very nice of you to flash me past Dave, but I wasn't expecting such cooperation when passing for position - a bit of real racing would have been quite welcome at that stage   ;D After that it was a cruise to the end with a big gap.

It was nice to see the Nissan competitive for a change. I don't think we should jump to too many conclusions about the pace of individual cars based on the results last night. Looking at the laptimes, the bulk of the field were all lapping at a fairly similar pace, which bodes well for the rest of the season. Other tracks will suit other cars more, so it would make more sense to judge things after a few more races.

As for the Vertigo, this is always going to struggle in a race unless it has enough pace to qualify ahead and stay there. I didn't do any laps it it, but looking at GTR2Rank it is just as quick as most of the other cars (at Valencia anyway). I can't see that anything has changed this season to make it that much less competitive? I can understand the frustration of racing it in the pack though.

Well done to CJ on another impressive victory and to the other Kerbies for a decent points haul. I had no real problems with lapping GT1s, although not being in any close fights meant that I could afford to flash them past fairly quickly in the main. Thanks also to those that I lapped - very polite  :)

That's ok Mo, I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.  The story of my race.  

I'm just stunned at how fragile the Morgan is.  I've been in far worse collisions with a Porker and continued unscathed.  The engine was still running, but a combination of a badly damaged front end and 2 flat front tyres meant that the front of the car just dug into the tarmac, stopping me from moving forward.  :'(

I was a bit surprised by how far off the pace it seemed to be - okay, I was making up a lot of time on the straights, but when I had one behind me it was invariably all over me like the proverbial cheap suit through the rest of the lap.

OTOH I'm not surprised the Morgan was very good at Valencia, the torquey motor suits the track.

Is that due to the batmobile look or my driving style?  :D

Good start to the season for me. Qualified 5th behind teamie Mo, it was down on PB but ok. Sorry to see Brian have problems and drop out at the start. Was running very heavy at start so just tried to keep up with Mo and managed to eke out a small gap of 12 seconds to 5th place. Mo pitted and then came out just in front of me a lap down. He then had to pit again for his penalty which effectively gave me third. Did my quick stop and came out 36 seconds ahead of 4th and a minute behind Zacari after the pit stops all rotated. Took the last stint reletively easy to conserve car. Had a couple of scares, one where it dropped to desktop for no reason when about to lap Dave (just in case you wandered why I drove off!). I always shut everything else down, stop Anti Virus etc.. and there was no message or anything at the desktop so very strange. Luckily I was on the back straight and was able to bring the game back up pretty quickly. Also managed to throw the car off towards the end trying to let Zacari through but apart from that was pretty steady and error free.

Congrats to CJ on the win and fellow kerbie Paul for his GTC win. Thanks to all the GTCs for their consideration during lapping.

Had a couple of FPS issues but nothing major and it was very brief. Apart from that everything was fine.

Ah, wondered what happened there, I was about to let you past and suddenly your car warped back about 200 yards. :o

Not to bad start of season 6 for me.Be honest I don't like this track.In practice session I lost conection (game crash :o) ,so I reload again and join in to qualification.Race started ok ,I had nice chalenging with Jure which I really enjoyed ;)I did lots mistakes trough race wich cost me 4'th position,I finished 6'th.Congratulation top 3 each class,well done gyus!

I wondered that as well, because during practice/quali I had all of the other cars freeze. Normally that would result in 'connection lost' pretty much straight away, but this time it didn't, which I thought was odd. However, shortly before that, I had been playing with the "online setups" screen, so figured the two might be related and just quit and re-joined.

Took me a little while to rejoin, as the server was full - Then, towards the end of quali, it happened again. All cars frozen, and time was just ticking down. I waited 5 minutes until the end of quali, hoping that the change in session might reconnect me, but it didn't happen :( I was out of sync with the server. I didn't touch the online setups section during that period at all. I wondered if perhaps my 'last available slot on the server' may have been a factor.

Oh, and yes I did reboot my router and PC just before connecting, and the Internet connection seemed fine.

So it wasn't just Brian (Kerr) that was experiencing oddness.

Very disappointing to lose connection just before the race :(

Oh, and apologies to Reign Man during quali - I seemed to be in your way a lot! My setup was horrible for a while and I was off the pace due to lack of practice. Got the hang of it in the end, but I remember you throwing yourself off the track to avoid me as my brakes pulled me up short into the long downhill lefthander. Sorry  :-[

Well that was my first serious Enduro race, and I enjoyed it immensely. Not that there was too much racing, apart from a couple of duels with Pseudo, but the fact that I was consistent in keeping it on the track for a full 80 mins, never mind 40 mins in a sprint race, really made it for me. Cocked up at pitting by speeding in pit lane, so got a stop & go, but that was my only major error. Congrats to all winners and podiums.



In the past I have felt obliged to let the faster cars through, no matter where I am on the track, but last night I decided that I would try not to do anything that would upset my race too much (Im in a competetion as well) whilst allowing cars to pass safely. At this moment I was chasing Pseudo so didnt want to upset my rhythm on a bend, tho did slow a little for the passing cars. Not too sure what happened but I got a tap from Shark which didnt really do me any harm at all, so all was well.

I have noticed in the past tho that some of the faster drivers have showed a lack of patience eg when approaching a slower car at a bend, pushing to overtake instead of waiting that little bit longer till they hit the straight when a pass can be made with no problem at all.

But as for last night, that little incident apart I had no probs with the faster cars, and hopefully they didnt with me  :)

Cheers

Rob

I'm still removing all the wooden splinters that shot out of the exploding front end of your car  ;D

I'm glad to hear that, Rob.  :)

TT

Dave, is there anywhere that the success ballast rules are stated other than on the thread which proposed them? I can't find them, but perhaps I'm being dim :stupid:

Not yet - I'm still working out exactly how to implement it (less than two weeks now before the first GTR2 Manager input file is needed!) so the exact details are likely to change, but I'm not expecting to use different values from the proposed ones for people staying within one class in each series.

In Ruskus' absence I worked out how to do this:

Unofficial Lapchart (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.harrington/Valencia%20UE/)

Sorry about the lapchart. My PC is broke and the PC I am behind right now needs a wooden stove to operate. Greenpeace will kill me if I try to make a lapchart on this thing as I'll need the whole Amazon to power it ;D

So thanks Paul :D

Had the same probs in qual as some of the others, had just gone out for my 3rd run and then FPS went to crap, did a lap to see if it cured but didn't and still in monitor had 16-17fps, didn't want to gamble it would disappear in next season, alrdy learned that lesson last season that it's always best to rejoin, so quickly did that and luckily there was still enough time left for another go, and just managed to pip Zac for the pole as the clock ran out.

As race got underway the car was a bit understeery, couldn't get proper heat in the front, guess the downside of running a negative handicap, altho midway in stint the car started to come to its own. Zacari wasnt far behind and gap toggled back and forth abit due to traffic. After the pitstop car felt a little better with less fuel and new tires and rest of race was pretty much negotiating the heavy traffic, every lap there was one or more cars to lap. Penultimate lap had a little scare as I came up on what I first thought was a 575 into T2, but suddenly I closed reaally fast under braking and I realized it was a Gillet! Just managed to throw the car inside to avoid getting a new hood ormament. After looking back I noticed the bonnet was missing, but god thing the driver was aware heh.

Quite right too Rob. You are under no obligation to let the fast cars through in situations like that. In that situation last night I thought about going for it but backed out of it not wanting to do anything silly. Unfortunately TrueTom was so close behind he found it impossible to not knock me into your rear. That'll teach him to tailgate.  ;) ;) :angel: :laugh:

Lol yea, I was a bit too close. But not close enough for other than sniff your smelly unhealty exhaust.  :-X
 ;D

TT

Nope, there were only 6 in total for all of warm-up.

I personally felt no need to use the warmup session to do anything but cool down before the race. :laugh: :laugh: Next race it will be needed to ensure ballasts are correct at the server end.

Does that mean qualification is without the succes ballast or that you guys check if everybody has the correct amount of ballast?

No, and yes.

Kerr, did you install the latest version of GoogleEarth? Check task manager for GoogleUpdaterService.exe, perhaps it's the one to be blamed for network issues (I kill it before racing).

Newest firmware on your router/modem would be a good idea too.

Hope it helps.

Here's the first semi-official output from the ballast process, which will be used (with any updated driver names) for the Monza Upper Endurance race.


I think that anyone who changes class will have to carry their ballast over, which will mostly hit (successful drivers) or help (unsuccessful ones) those moving from GT1 to slower classes. But hopefully that won't happen much and I think is a price worth paying to keep the system simple.

Is there something wrong with those calculations? 3rd to 4th is 20kg. +10kg to -10kg. Not that I'm complaining but I was expecting to be on 0kg.

It works pretty much the same as the FIA GT, but with smaller numbers.

There is a subtle difference though (as far as I can see). In the FIA rules you obviously can't add negative ballast, so in effect this means that we all started on +20kg. This will accentuate the gap at the start of the season, which after this race will be +55kg fastest to slowest (in GT1) compared to +35kg if we were running FIA rules. Not saying it matters a lot, but it is different.