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Title: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 10, 2007, 07:36:14 AM +0100
Practice 1:20:00(10 mins)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:10(10 mins)reserves may join too
Qual 2:20:20(30 mins)
Warmup:20:50(5 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)

Cars allowed: any GT1, G2, GT2 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.6.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (G2 and GT2 cars will not score points).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Monza GP (download as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Upper Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=60). Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and track pack (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 10, 2007, 12:00:09 PM +0100
I'll stay faithfull to the Zed all season - but it's really going to struggle for pace here.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: DynoDaz on September 10, 2007, 12:15:41 PM +0100
I'll stay faithfull to the Zed all season - but it's really going to struggle for pace here.

Oh no you won't.  ;D   I've tested both the Zed and the Morgan here and the Zed is a second faster.

Even I can get the modified Zed around here in the very low 1:51.  That's close to RSR territory.  :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Madd-RIP on September 10, 2007, 12:16:48 PM +0100
 :( Mosler is going to be swamped then.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 10, 2007, 01:06:32 PM +0100
Even I can get the modified Zed around here in the very low 1:51.  That's close to RSR territory.  :o

Really? I season 4 I couldn't get anywhere near even TVR pace in the Zed - understeer through the middle of Parabolica just kills its exit speed.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: psuedo on September 10, 2007, 01:12:57 PM +0100
Stcking with the Vertigo....so I will see you all in a couple of laps when you lap me ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: popabawa on September 10, 2007, 01:17:24 PM +0100
Stcking with the Vertigo....so I will see you all in a couple of laps when you lap me ::)

Brave man! It's horribly outclassed here, I'm 3-4s quicker in the other cars :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: psuedo on September 10, 2007, 01:24:12 PM +0100
Stcking with the Vertigo....so I will see you all in a couple of laps when you lap me ::)

Brave man! It's horribly outclassed here, I'm 3-4s quicker in the other cars :(

I prefer to stick with the same car all season and I have used it once already....It wont be as badly outclassed at some of the other circuits on offer though and I fully intend to make a late surge up the standing tables ( ???) in the latter part of the season with it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Jeffrey on September 10, 2007, 01:30:18 PM +0100
Even I can get the modified Zed around here in the very low 1:51.  That's close to RSR territory.  :o

Really? I season 4 I couldn't get anywhere near even TVR pace in the Zed - understeer through the middle of Parabolica just kills its exit speed.

It has Michelins now. And don't run splitter on 1 in the Zed  :).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Kerr on September 13, 2007, 12:51:40 AM +0100
I will be in the lambo as normal, but know I've no chance here. The lambo is too slow on the straights to hope for anything. The only positive is that after my disconnection and officially classed last at estoril I will have a very light lambo.     


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Joss on September 13, 2007, 01:33:09 AM +0100
I've sort of fallen of the edge of the world from all this haven't I? :P

With my new rig finally playing ball, I reckon the chances are very high I can actually make this. I better practise the new UKGTR version though, as my usual online line takes a bit too much grass crete. Hopefully the Lambo's will be abke to mix it for the podium, if not the win.

Your new setups are very fast Brian, I reckon you'll be much better this time round @ Monza, just don't lengthen your gears!
I for one, hope it buckets down :D
 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Mr.BMW on September 13, 2007, 07:17:08 AM +0100
if there's actually reserve slots left, I will show up in the M3 for some warmup for Tuesday's race. I'll be sure to move over for you GT1 guys :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Kerr on September 13, 2007, 02:00:54 PM +0100
I've sort of fallen of the edge of the world from all this haven't I? :P

With my new rig finally playing ball, I reckon the chances are very high I can actually make this. I better practise the new UKGTR version though, as my usual online line takes a bit too much grass crete. Hopefully the Lambo's will be abke to mix it for the podium, if not the win.

Your new setups are very fast Brian, I reckon you'll be much better this time round @ Monza, just don't lengthen your gears!
I for one, hope it buckets down :D
 

I was too afraid back then about blowing the car up and made a last minute decision to lenthen the gears and made the car so slow, surprised you remembered it. I will not do that this time!

I've got a set up that has been used countless times over 30 minute open server races and hope it should do the trick.

It's strange driving the newer/better version of the track. It's programmed into me to use all the grasscrete like everyone does on open servers and to change you driving style after so long is rather odd.  I can see a few people getting stop and gos.

I've been happy with my set ups of late, if I make the correct tyre choice. I find the car very stable and easy to drive smoothly. I sure there is more speed to be tweaked out of it but not sure it's worth it if you make the car a harder to drive


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Joss on September 15, 2007, 12:13:05 AM +0100
Well....it looks like I spoke too soon.... :(

New rig is now refusing the run GTR2 at all. Uninstalled, reinstalled, still no joy. FEAR also doesn't run as nicely as it should (30-ish FPS on an 8800 with 4gb of Ram?!)

I'm pretty fed up with the problems and may just blat it and whack XP back on it. I've got a week until I leave for uni, so still time. I should still be fine for the race this Sunday, only I'll most likely be on my old system now and hoping everything will run smoothly.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Madd-RIP on September 15, 2007, 10:50:03 AM +0100
 >:D Vista.......need I say more?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: psuedo on September 15, 2007, 01:34:26 PM +0100
Well, looks like I will be swapping cars for this race after all :(. Looks like I would be the only vertigo there and at around 5 seconds a lap slower than anything else, it wouldn't be much fun just waiting to move out the way of everybody lapping me.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Jure on September 15, 2007, 01:36:47 PM +0100
Argh... I knew there's something diferent  ;D

With track changes... what's a good time in lambo on full load of fuel?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: DynoDaz on September 15, 2007, 01:40:09 PM +0100
>:D Vista.......need I say more?

Actually with the latest nvidia beta drivers and the hotfixes installed, GTR2 is now running really well on Vista here.  In fact I think it's now running just as fast as it does in XP.

With everything turned up to max in the game, 1920x1200, 16xAF, 4xAA I'm getting 50fps+ around Spa at night in monsoon conditions.

May be I've just been lucky with Vista, but I just don't have the issues you guys are reporting.

It really isn't as bad as everyone makes out.  ;D


FreQ, try this:

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_rel70betadriver.html (http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_rel70betadriver.html)

  



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 15, 2007, 02:54:36 PM +0100
With everything turned up to max in the game, 1920x1200, 16xAF, 4xAA I'm getting 50fps+ around Spa at night in monsoon conditions.

At the back of a full grid?
What CPU have you got?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Joss on September 15, 2007, 03:50:04 PM +0100
>:D Vista.......need I say more?

Actually with the latest nvidia beta drivers and the hotfixes installed, GTR2 is now running really well on Vista here.  In fact I think it's now running just as fast as it does in XP.

With everything turned up to max in the game, 1920x1200, 16xAF, 4xAA I'm getting 50fps+ around Spa at night in monsoon conditions.

May be I've just been lucky with Vista, but I just don't have the issues you guys are reporting.

It really isn't as bad as everyone makes out.  ;D


FreQ, try this:

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_rel70betadriver.html (http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_downloads_rel70betadriver.html)

 



Unfortunately, those are the driver's I've been running since I built it....

I'm running Vista x64 though. Maybe it's a step too far.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: DynoDaz on September 15, 2007, 04:45:34 PM +0100
I'm running the 64bit version too....

Have you installed the hotfixes at that link?

Also make sure you have the latest bios and drivers for your mobo...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: DynoDaz on September 15, 2007, 04:50:04 PM +0100
FreQ - when you say it's refusing to run at all, what do you mean?

It could just be the disc protection system is playing up.  It's a known problem when you upgrade to version 1100 and occurs on both Vista and XP.

The no-cd exe fixes the problem.

Hope this helps. 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: DynoDaz on September 15, 2007, 04:56:09 PM +0100
With everything turned up to max in the game, 1920x1200, 16xAF, 4xAA I'm getting 50fps+ around Spa at night in monsoon conditions.

At the back of a full grid?
What CPU have you got?

Not tried at the back of a full grid so ok it will be less than that.  But when racing mid pack with a few cars on the screen I'm getting between 50-85fps...

I'm using a core 2 duo 6600, clocked to 3.2GHz


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: R. Midderhoff on September 16, 2007, 11:57:28 AM +0100
Hi all,

i will join in a lambo as a reserve if there is place for me.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Kerr on September 16, 2007, 12:56:08 PM +0100
I will be here racing tonight.

The only thing is that I'm in need of a new turbo for the car and a good one is up on sale on ebay and closes tonight during second practice.

Hopefully it does not go for too much and also I can bid on ebay without GTR2 closing down. Sometimes I'm fine running other items in the background and sometimes GTR2 closes when I try and go back to it.

Basically the favour I'm asking, could I please reserve my slot and not miss out.

I would hate for the game to close and somebody else jump in and pinch my place since I am here and wanting to race


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 16, 2007, 03:05:41 PM +0100
I'm using a core 2 duo 6600, clocked to 3.2GHz

What BIOS settings are you running to overclock to 3.2? (Multipliers etc.)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Jure on September 16, 2007, 03:35:53 PM +0100
I'm using a core 2 duo 6600, clocked to 3.2GHz

What BIOS settings are you running to overclock to 3.2? (Multipliers etc.)

I use same CPU clocked to 3.15GHz. Standard multiplier (x9)

FSB @ 350 (u can go to 370, easy)

RAM frequency at 437,5 (x2), i.e. 875MHz, RAM voltage at 1.95V

Rest is default (i.e. RAM clocks via SPD, not manual, other voltages at auto). Didn't bother with the rest, it's fast enough (am yet to see less then 58FPS at Monza, refresh locked at 60Hz, 1280x1024 8) )

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=115217 perhaps this will help (and no, I'm not using those settings... yet  ;D )

Am running Asus P5B Deluxe and Corsair LONG DIMM 2048 MB TWIN2X2048-6400C4 4-4-4-12, 800MHz (2x1Gb)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: DynoDaz on September 16, 2007, 05:21:11 PM +0100
I'm using a core 2 duo 6600, clocked to 3.2GHz

What BIOS settings are you running to overclock to 3.2? (Multipliers etc.)

FSB - Memory Clock Ratio = Sync (1:1)

Memory Clock frequency = 400MHz which means 800MHz for the memory (DDR) and 1600MHz for the FSB (QDR)

Clock Multiplier is set to x8 which gives 3.2GHz (400x8).  This is rock solid with default voltages.

My system can run at 3.6GHz (x9 multipier) but it runs a tad warm unless I crank up the fans to max.  Then it becomes loud.  :-\

So I have a choice.  3.2GHz - cool and quiet OR 3.6GHz - warm and quiet OR 3.6GHz cool and loud.

1st option please.  ;D







Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Paul968 on September 16, 2007, 05:38:35 PM +0100
Why am I showing as a second reserve? I didn't ask to be taken off the full time list.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 16, 2007, 05:59:50 PM +0100
Why am I showing as a second reserve? I didn't ask to be taken off the full time list.

Yes you did:
I would like to switch to a GT1 reserve Dave. I want to have a full time place in the lower GTC race as a priority.


Ignore the 'second reserve' thing - it's defunct.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Paul968 on September 16, 2007, 06:04:16 PM +0100
Dave, that is ridiculous - I raced in GTC in the first race when I was still showing as FT. That post was well out of date, as is shown by your comment of the 5th sept -
Quote
Okay - I don't suppose I can persuade you to run in GT1 in Upper Endurance, as those numbers are slightly light by the looks of it?
. You wouldn't put that if I was already doing GT1? You also know I've been trying to get you to help me do GTC in a different car.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Paul968 on September 16, 2007, 06:10:08 PM +0100
Update - the request that you quote was superceded by this one:

Quote
No Thanks - not keen on racing vipers in a cup car. You had better put me in lower GT2 and upper GTC. 
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3448.msg56338#msg56338



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 16, 2007, 06:23:31 PM +0100
All sorted now I hope.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Paul968 on September 16, 2007, 06:32:49 PM +0100
Thx Dave  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Joss on September 16, 2007, 07:45:58 PM +0100
FreQ - when you say it's refusing to run at all, what do you mean?

It could just be the disc protection system is playing up.  It's a known problem when you upgrade to version 1100 and occurs on both Vista and XP.

The no-cd exe fixes the problem.

Hope this helps. 

Ahh, maybe that's it....
It just constantly loops on the GFX settings splash screen and refuses to boot the game. I wondered why I'd run it before and now it was suddenly not working....I'll be on my old pc tonight whatever. Would be nice to try it though.

I've ordered another hard drive to put an XP install on it so I have the option to switch between Vista + XP easily.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 16, 2007, 07:54:13 PM +0100
Thanks chaps, I'll try those OC settings at some point, see if my system can manage them and what difference they make if any.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Mr.BMW on September 16, 2007, 08:23:57 PM +0100
27/28

Server is full

Darn :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Filipe Marques on September 16, 2007, 08:34:35 PM +0100
The server was down and 5 min later full..,  maybe next one, have fun,


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Kerr on September 16, 2007, 09:09:08 PM +0100
Another disaster due to same problems as last upper endurance.

Everything was fine when I practiced earlier on, using the practice server.

Everything was fine in practice 1 and 2. The start of qualification was fine too.

Then I noticed that some peoples lap times were not recorded by I was a 1.52.4 in 5th, Simon was 2nd with 1.53.0 CJ was 3rd with 2.02odd and Zacari 4th with no logged time.

Cars began to lag in parts. Not sure if I nudged you or not Simon going into turn 1, sorry if I did.

Then game went really wonky and connection lost.

Tried to get back on and by that time the server had already gone to warm up, must have just missed it.

I don't get what is wrong. That is the second upper endurance event that the exact same has happened. I have raced a few other races, GT1 sprint, GT2 enduro 911 cup fun race etc and no problems.

Two upper endurance events gone two bizarre second half qualification episodes.

It may be coincidence but last time Zacari did not even appear on my timing list at Estoril and today it would not log his times.

I'm really cheesed off as was looking forward to it and it's annoying to plan your Sunday night for racing for this to happen again.

Any idea what my problem is with upper endurance only?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: DynoDaz on September 16, 2007, 09:46:27 PM +0100
When will my bad luck end in this championship?

At Valencia my race was ended when I hit a spun GT1 car.  The same happened again.  :'(

Heading around Parabolica I could see lots of smoke and some stationary cars which had spun.  I narrowly missed a couple of cars and thought I was out of danger.  But no, hiding the other side of some smoke was EdamSpeed (I think).  Sorry mate, I just couldn't avoid you.  Like Valencia the Morgan shattered into a thousand splinters.  RACE OVER!

Shame, I was having a great battle with John (great driving mate) and was running 3rd in class, slowly catching 2nd.  :'( 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Adam Parle on September 16, 2007, 09:47:09 PM +0100
Small mistakes led to stop & go's led to me losing interest led to me hitting a wall.

Annoyed after what was a decent qually.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Madd-RIP on September 16, 2007, 10:01:12 PM +0100
Engine went bang, just as I was pitting, bugger  >:(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: pribeiro on September 16, 2007, 10:26:47 PM +0100
After a 3rd GTC qualifing place i was quite happy  :)
SBG and Madd-RIP went away a bit (2-3 secs) in front, so i thought i better
spare my tires and engine untill 2nd stint  8)
Just before my pit stop i got 2 scary moments: :o
First, a car i was about to lap, spun just in front and i had to go wide to gravel
to avoid him, wasnt bad (lost only 3-4 secs)  :-\
Second, a car i was about to lap, spun in front in the midlle of last chicane,
this time to avoid him i had to brake hard, and i lost the rear, so i spun also (lost 8-9 secs)  :-\
But the real lost for me was when, only 8 minutes to end, and when i was in 1st of GTC
10 seconds in front of 2nd, my engine blow  ;D :'( :P
Damn Italian engines  :o
I ask, can i assemble a TVR(Rover) engine to my Modena?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ofcourse not  ::)
Was a great fun race guys, thanks all.
Congrats to winners  ;)
Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Jeffrey on September 16, 2007, 10:38:44 PM +0100
Did a PB in qually and was very happy with that. Eventhough some big competitors had big weight penalties. That's the only downside of those penalties, you feel it's unfair when the weight is ineven.

Simon's Viper was behind me and I was afraid he was just gonna wizz past, but his topspeed (188mph) wasn't much higher than my Lister's (187,5mph) :o.
I could slowly drive off as Simon and CJ were battling.

All went pretty well and was on schedule with fuel and tires, so I thought I coukd win alot in the pits. But my first gear was so long that I stalled it driving off  :whistling:.

Well done to FreQ for going from last till 5th :o and Paul 968 for the GTC win and Simon for doing great in the Viper.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 16, 2007, 10:41:57 PM +0100
Then I noticed that some peoples lap times were not recorded by I was a 1.52.4 in 5th, Simon was 2nd with 1.53.0 CJ was 3rd with 2.02odd and Zacari 4th with no logged time.

Cars began to lag in parts. Not sure if I nudged you or not Simon going into turn 1, sorry if I did.

I don't think you were actually there Brian cause I didn't see you at all during the race. I think the server may have lost you or you may have lost the server, but I don't remember you even on the grid.

I had one of my best results at Monza, getting a 2nd position in the Viper. I'm really not a Monza fan, never have been, never will be. Firstly low down-force doesn't suit me and secondly I think it's a really crap track for racing at. Lucky for me the Viper is quite a beast in a straight line so I was able to run 2-4 wing instead of 1-3 or even less and still have same top speed as the other cars (Listers).

Qualifying 2nd was just unbelievable as I do not have the pace of quite a few of the drivers in the division, but happy to take it none the less. I'm sure my -10kg negative-success ballast helped and the Viper being good on the straights.

After I kept CJ and Zacari at bay for the first 20 minutes I pulled a nice gap till the pit stops and then just carried on from there. Jeff was too quick for me and I saw no other GT1s for racing with so it was just a case of heart in the mouth overtaking GTC cars where the speed difference is quite immense at Monza. I think I became accustomed to the overtaking after about half the race and it just seemed a little easier, especially when you're not worrying about losing time to people behind.

Congrats to Jeff on his win to make it a Team Shark 1-2! Well done to Gizmo too on third in class in GTC, good team result with Picnic in 5th and finally a special mention to Joss for 5th when he started at the back and crossed the finish line at the end of the race with exactly NO fuel. ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Mark J on September 16, 2007, 10:42:21 PM +0100
had my late race ruined by a stop and go for one ferkin cut corner - how is that right? I was in a good battle with John and Picnic on track and that totally buggered my last third of race  >:(, no previous warnings as i hadnt cut any corners all race until that one occasion whilst in fierce battle with Johns morgan, then it just said 'severe warning, stop and go'  :cursing:

Really sorry to pops and darren early on when i had big spins at T1 :-[    i got such a ridiculous toe off of Adams morgan that the bloody car just wouldnt stop when i hit the brakes, despite frantic pumping of the pedal :o
it happened again a few laps later, after drafting picnics morgan...i saw pops turning in up ahead and literally threw my car off the track to avoid him, but still span across his bows... without contact thankfully  :P

I dont get on with this track even though i enjoy racing on it. There always seems to be an incident or two that ruins my race overall.
Think i finished 16th overall, no idea where in class, but it wasnt great despite seeming to be faster on track than many of the GTC cars that finished ahead of me :(

Congrats to the podium boys  8)

ps..what happened to the success ballast? I was still showing as +30kg in the timing screen  ???


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: ginsters sponsored on September 16, 2007, 10:49:34 PM +0100
Bad break PR, think you had it wrapped up. You prolly didn't need to refuel so would have jumped me in pits.

Still, I can be dafter than you. I think I chucked it away with a pit lane speeding s/g. Had a 11 second lead when I came to pit so, with plenty of time to spare, decided to hit limiter well before lane but just forgot all about braking and was tootling happily through pits at 70mph till I realised ::). Absolute Moron. Couldn't really drive much better and enjoyed that a lot, especially little cameo with Daves nissan.

GT1 boys were far better this time, despite the fact I was a right numpty a couple of times. Sorry Edam and PaulR.

Congrats to Ruskus and Paul on fine wins :).  


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 16, 2007, 10:50:41 PM +0100
ps..what happened to the success ballast? I was still showing as +30kg in the timing screen  ???

The +30kg is just the car ballast, driver ballast is shown on the sector screen not the timing screen.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: popabawa on September 16, 2007, 10:55:16 PM +0100
Well, I guess 4th is OK for the first trip out in a new car but I didn't drive very well and managed to ferk up my pit-stop, re-fuelling when I didn't need to. I had "number of pit-stops" set to zero so I guess it defaults to filling the tank to the brim  :wetfish: I was being so careful to change the tyres correctly (bit of a a novelty after a season in the Vertigo) that I didn't notice the fuel. Idiot. I think I would have pipped Dave for the final podium place :-\

Great driving by the GT1's, apologies to Jeff for our little misunderstanding, I was sticking to the racing line but you'd already committed, I should have noticed :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Kerr on September 16, 2007, 11:00:31 PM +0100
I never made the race again Simon.  

The exact same thing happened at Estoril for upper endurance. During qualifying my timing screen goes mental. It does not record peoples times, laps completed and put the grid in the wrong order too.

I can't remember you at Estoril but that night everything went berserk too. It was showing a GTC car driven by Dan Minton second on my screen against GT1 cars! It turned out Zacari was second in qualification but his name did not even appear on my screen. Zacari was somehow Dan on my screen as I could see how the events of qualification took place. Dan was first for ages on my screen only for CJ to pip him late on in session. Yet it turned out Zacari was first for ages, then CJ pipped him.

There was a full field but according to my game 21 at Estoril. I did have a full field tonight.

Every practice session is fine, practice for hours on practice server is fine, come real qualification things go mental and no reason for it.

I've taken part in numerous races since Estoril upper endurance no problems, but tonight it's all gone wrong again.

I can't for the life of me understand what the hell is going on.

It's highly frustrating as nothing stands out to be wrong. I sort my plans out to make time for racing, turn up and it all goes wrong and wastes my night.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: pribeiro on September 16, 2007, 11:02:29 PM +0100
I´m sorry to hear that Ginsters  :o
Just for curiosity. I started race with:
77 Lt / 31 Laps / 0.55 mnts.
when i went to my pit stop i add:
51 Lt / 20 Laps / 0.35 mnts.

This time the full tank only could do ~72 minutes, so i decided to start with less
fuel than usual  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: psuedo on September 16, 2007, 11:05:56 PM +0100
Good race. Enjoyed that although not too much excitement for me down in my usual spot :(

I am so glad I didn't take the vertigo  :o...I was 5 laps down in the 360....wouldn't like to guess how many it would have been in that ::).

Started ok...did a pb in qually which was just enough to put me in front of Freq in a GT1 ;) kept him behind for nearly a full second at the start but managed to sneak past RB with a Hamilton the first chicane :). Held my own between 1 and 2 seconds down on a few cars infront for 5 or 6 laps till I did my usual early error and dropped back to about 12 seconds. That was about as close as I got to anyone for the rest of the race...just seemed to be going backwards 2 secs down on my 'normal' lap times ???

Appologies to the person (sorry didn't catch who it was) I baulked in the parabolica. I saw you approaching rapidly and tried to stay left to let you through but lost my back end and slid straight accross you. Hope it didn't cost you much.

Excellent overtaking from all the GT1's (and most of the GTC's :D) when lapping...couldn't find fault anywhere. :clap:

grats to winners and podiums....see you all tomorrow in the Viper CC.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: EdamSpeed on September 16, 2007, 11:06:35 PM +0100
Very 'eventful' race for me that one!

Was going reasonably well for a while (except I was getting a lot of 'blue flag' warnings despite no one behind me), and I'd made a few places up to 8th. Mo and Backo had a coming together somehow at the Parabolica, and Backo looked to be spinning to the infield, so I went to the right, and met him coming up :( The result was a big puncture and body damage.  Really sorry Backo, I tried to avoid you, but couldn't see which way you were going.

Then, with me stuck in the middle of the track, it happened again with Darren, who couldn't see me to avoid the collision. *smack* again.. Darren's Morgan is destroyed (sorry mate) and I end up limping to the pits, sure my race was over.

Got the car repaired and back under way. Buggered up my strategy too, so had to make 2 stops. Got back on pace - Jure and Claus were too fast for me, so couldn't make up any places. Had little moment while passing Ginsters. I think that was partially my fault as I was slow (because I gave you room on the apex, and my tyres were off).

At some point I also made a very dumb move on Mark Jonzo. I'm really sorry mate - I was trying to be 'clever' - taking a wide line into Lesmo 1 and overtake you on the inside, only I badly miscalculated my speed versus yours and I biffed you. Very very sorry :( Glad you didn't spin!

Reasonably happy with my finishing slot, although would have been higher if not for getting caught up in other people's accidents. I really need to learn to slow down more for spinners!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Paul968 on September 16, 2007, 11:07:34 PM +0100
Quick question Pops - why did you change your tyres? There were only 15-20 minutes or so left, so fresh tyres would have needed to give you at least 2 seconds a lap (not very likely at Monza).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: popabawa on September 16, 2007, 11:10:26 PM +0100
Quick question Pops - why did you change your tyres? There were only 15-20 minutes or so left, so fresh tyres would have needed to give you at least 2 seconds a lap (not very likely at Monza).

They were pretty shot and I'm hopeless on worn tyres :D

I decided to play it safe and bring it home for some points as we were struggling as a team.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: picnic on September 16, 2007, 11:14:03 PM +0100
Results above, replay here (https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtr/UKGTR%20Monza%20-%20Upper%20Endurance%20070916.zip) and you will find the provisional standings here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=60)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: picnic on September 16, 2007, 11:21:45 PM +0100
Sorry for the delayed start, there was an issue with GTR2 Manager. Thanks to Dave for sorting out and getting the show on the road.

Think I need to do some setup work, I was getting eaten up on the long straights. A couple of times I got a good tow from Pop's 350z only to pull out and drop back :( Still made for some excitement until I made some errors and was no longer receiving the benefit from the hole in the air Pops was leaving.

Ran fairly consistently but made a silly error overssteering out of Lesmo 2 and the brush with the Armco signaled a crawl back to the pits with a front right puncture. Can't have been much damage as the pitsop, including fuel and tyres was 31 secs.

Man test was to see if the PC ran ok after the strange crash in the display drivers at Valencia and that seemed successful. Roll on next Sunday :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Truetom on September 16, 2007, 11:38:08 PM +0100
Qualified 6th. Overtook Paul Richards and after a fearsome battle CJ and Zacari managed to get me in front of them.  ;)  Shark and Rusky were too fast for me, but I'm happy with my undeserved 3rd place.  8)  Seems like a birthday present. Thanks guys!  ;D

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Jeffrey on September 16, 2007, 11:41:43 PM +0100

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Monza UE 16-09-2007/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Zacari on September 16, 2007, 11:59:02 PM +0100
My engine went bang :( which was a shame, I tend to go well here!

Quali was fine in 4th with the ballast.  In the race I got some damage from CJ when he spun in T1 trying to pass Shark, then had a brief battle with Shark which was great 8)  I lost touch in traffic though including one off and I got a big wiggle on a couple of laps later pushing too hard and went down to 5th; 4th once CJ pitted.  Was chasing down TT quite happily knowing I wouldn't be pitting until about 30 mins left, unfortunately the engine waved a large white flag over the s/f line at half-distance :-[

Grats on both podiums, and to Joss for battling through to 5th from the back! :thumbup1:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: DynoDaz on September 17, 2007, 12:01:03 AM +0100
Once the issues with GTR Manager are sorted out, please can the practise server run with the correct ballasts for the upcoming race.  Is this possible?

Don't know about you guys, but my negative ballast actually made me go slower.  Crazy I know.  The balance of the car was all wrong and very twitchy under braking.  I tried to compensate by moving the brake biased forward, which worked, but meant I could no longer stop as fast.  :-\

I had to put half a tank of fuel in just to get a decent qualifying lap.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: BACKO on September 17, 2007, 12:17:28 AM +0100
Was going reasonably well for a while (except I was getting a lot of 'blue flag' warnings despite no one behind me), and I'd made a few places up to 8th. Mo and Backo had a coming together somehow at the Parabolica, and Backo looked to be spinning to the infield, so I went to the right, and met him coming up :( The result was a big puncture and body damage.  Really sorry Backo, I tried to avoid you, but couldn't see which way you were going.


Not good race for me today :(
Qualified  9'th
Race start ok ,after mistake Jure and mo I moved to 7'th,then my fault I've been  spin 8'th .I had nice chassing with Mo ,but he went too late or not strong on breaks and hit my back of my car and I've been spin again also I've been hit from EdamSpeed.I had something broke it on my car so I went to the pit for repair also my early main pitstop.I came back like 22'th I think ,started push but I did lots mistake which cost me 3 times stop and go,finally I finished 10'th.Also I had very close racing with Jure and Minton,sorry guys for little touch! ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Kerr on September 17, 2007, 08:22:48 AM +0100
Can't see anything wrong at all to cause the same problems again.

I have heard people talk about the 28 car problem. What normally goes wrong? Even if it was it's odd I'm the only one suffering.

I've had suggestions of things running in the background, but nothing was. Lastime I went directly to another server and all was well.

Even if something was running how would that cause my game to become mixed up and confuse drivers, miss laps completed and times etc?

So far it's happened in both upper endurance races and nowhere else. So far both upper endurance races are the only two races to manage a 28 car field


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 17, 2007, 09:22:15 AM +0100
After a bit of a panic at the start getting the server and GTR2 Manager going (urgent post mortem tonight in time for tomorrow's race!) my qualifying went dreadfully, getting nowhere near my best from testing despite only carrying an extra 5kg.

On paper I should've been able to take softs all round and go to half distance. The numbers were spot on but by the time the front left reached 9.5 on the wear indicator, the car felt awful, no grip at the back under braking and understeer in all the right handers.

Up until then I'd been hanging on to, but not making any impression on, the cars ahead, so I decided to pit early, after about 30 minutes, and change to mediums all round. I wasn't 100% sure about just how much fuel I was going to need, so despite starting on 100L, I added about 8 litres just to be on the safe side. I actually finished with 20 in the tank so that was a waste of time. ::)

Came out dead last, but the car felt better again. Kunckled down to a 98% pace; having cut Ascari on the second flying lap I couldn't afford any more cuts. It seemed to take forever for others to make their stops but after 20 minutes or so they started streaming into the pits, and after a few laps of that I was third in GTC, then fourth when Ginsters inevitably slipped past in the more powerful GT3-RS, which became my second podium of the year when PRibeiro retired.

Another good race for me, marred only by running slightly wide once in Lesmo 2, and a lack of preparation which could've cost me dearly had I not had the presence of mind to react immediately when my sofs went off and make a huge adjustment to my strategy, which paid off handsomely.

Good races with Ginsters and Jonzo; a few corners of driving above my station trying to make it hard for Paul968's Morgan; some scary moments with GT1 cars splitting GTC runners on the run to Parabolica; almost taking the front off as the result of a conflagration in the Retifilio.

That's what I hope is the Zed's worst track out of the way too...


had my late race ruined by a stop and go for one ferkin cut corner - how is that right? I was in a good battle with John and Picnic on track and that totally buggered my last third of race  >:(, no previous warnings as i hadnt cut any corners all race until that one occasion whilst in fierce battle with Johns morgan, then it just said 'severe warning, stop and go'  :cursing:

Interesting, I've heard of people getting a stop/go for a first offence (I had it in GTL but not in GTR2), but that's the first time somebody's noticed a specific message for it.


Well, I guess 4th is OK for the first trip out in a new car but I didn't drive very well and managed to ferk up my pit-stop, re-fuelling when I didn't need to. I had "number of pit-stops" set to zero so I guess it defaults to filling the tank to the brim  :wetfish: I was being so careful to change the tyres correctly (bit of a a novelty after a season in the Vertigo) that I didn't notice the fuel. Idiot. I think I would have pipped Dave for the final podium place :-\

I also refuelled unnecessarily (see above) so I think we'd have been close...


Once the issues with GTR Manager are sorted out, please can the practise server run with the correct ballasts for the upcoming race.  Is this possible?

It's a bit tricky because
  • the driving names have to be changeable until very near the event
  • the ballasts for different championships are different

It's possible to practice off line with the right ballast, either by running a local dedi server and a copy of GTR2 Manager, or more simply by hosting a game inside GTR2 and not letting anyone else join, then you can edit the ballast on the Timing page (though I don't think negative ballasts are possible like that).

Even if something was running how would that cause my game to become mixed up and confuse drivers, miss laps completed and times etc?

That's normally a network issue - the 28 car field is suspicious, but unless you've been consistenly the 28th car in (I don't think you were) I can't see a reason why it should affect you specifically.

I'm sure I've asked this already but you are joining with ISDN set aren't you?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Kerr on September 17, 2007, 10:17:17 AM +0100
I'm set to isdn and I was nowhere near last in. First dozen in game.     Why network dave and would that explain why my problems only come to head in qualification and not before? Both races so far in upper endurance are fine up to that point.   


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 17, 2007, 10:20:10 AM +0100
had my late race ruined by a stop and go for one ferkin cut corner - how is that right? I was in a good battle with John and Picnic on track and that totally buggered my last third of race  >:(, no previous warnings as i hadnt cut any corners all race until that one occasion whilst in fierce battle with Johns morgan, then it just said 'severe warning, stop and go'  :cursing:

Interesting, I've heard of people getting a stop/go for a first offence (I had it in GTL but not in GTR2), but that's the first time somebody's noticed a specific message for it.

If the offence is deemed bad enough by the game it will give a stop go for one cut only, e.g. keep your foot down at T1 at Monza and go straight through the run-off road at full pelt and in a race you will get a stop go and no warning. Remember you don't get stop gos in any other session that race, so practicing you will only ever get a warning no matter what the offence.

In Mark's case the game has deemed his "cut" as very serious and that's what it's done.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: popabawa on September 17, 2007, 10:50:25 AM +0100
I just wanted to say thanks to Dave & Pete for their hard work fixing the problem before the race, I'm sure that wasn't ideal preparation for a long endurance race!

The ballasts seemed to work very well and be doing the job too, nice to see the grids mixed up like they were.

Great drive by Paul to win GTC with the ballast, if we can't beat you in the next race with 2 maximum's applied then I think we might as well give up!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: ginsters sponsored on September 17, 2007, 10:51:31 AM +0100
Just to help me with me maths, I guess the ballast listed above is your personal penalty/reward taken or added to the car you take? If so, sorry for twigging rather late and thats pretty impressive work Dave.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Mark J on September 17, 2007, 10:55:37 AM +0100
thanks Simon, i suppose the problem with the game AI is it cannot differentiate between a deliberate blatant cut or a car getting a bit out of shape under pressure  :-\, it was at Curva del Vialone on the final left turn where the small vee of grass crete is, whilst being chased hard by John in his Morgan.
Its a real kick in the teeth to get a S&G for something like that, especially at Monza where it kills your race  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Simon Gymer on September 17, 2007, 11:37:25 AM +0100
thanks Simon, i suppose the problem with the game AI is it cannot differentiate between a deliberate blatant cut or a car getting a bit out of shape under pressure  :-\

Indeed. The way it checks for cuts is very primative and as you say does not take into account real world factors like actually losing time from the "cut", it's not quite just a check for using the rights bits of track as there does appear to be some speed calculation that gets thrown in for good measure, but there is the potential for improving that side of the game.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 17, 2007, 11:58:05 AM +0100
Why network dave and would that explain why my problems only come to head in qualification and not before? Both races so far in upper endurance are fine up to that point.   

Change of session will put more strain on the connection than other times - I think there's some resynchronisation done during that phase. Strange behaviour online when there's none offline, and for you when others are fine, surely suggests that the only element which is different is your network connection. Correlation may not always equal causality, but it can certainly drop big hints...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 17, 2007, 11:59:57 AM +0100
Just to help me with me maths, I guess the ballast listed above is your personal penalty/reward taken or added to the car you take?

The success ballast is over and above the performance balancing ballast. The former is added to the driver at runtime by GTR2; the latter we do by adjusting the physics files when the skin pack is built.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Paul Richards on September 17, 2007, 12:04:25 PM +0100
Tough race as usual here at Monza so quite pleased with my 4th place. Qualified well in 5th and went with my usual long first stint strategy starting on a full tank. With the driver ballast this made me very heavy at the start and I quickly lost touch with the front 4 and was pressured by TT and Mo. Car was awful in the opening laps. It was very nervous over the kerbs and understeeing badly through Ascari and I was struggling to get into the 44s! TT passed up the inside into the first chicane easily outbraking me. Teamie Mo then passed up the inside into Ascari but unlukily slid into the gravel after passing cleanly and fell back behind Backo. They were chasing me through the traffic but then dissappeared. Car was then much better and I was able to hold touch a bit better with the cars in front although a way back. Got passed CJ I guess with a damaged car just before he pitted and then Zacaris engine blew putting me up to 4th. Pit stop went ok. Broke very early and lost a bit of time on pit entry but came out 14 seconds behind TT and 18 ahead of Freq. Car was now better and was able to make very small in roads into the gap to TT but nothing significant. Freq however was closing and I caught a few cars in the wrong places and lost time so it was looking close for the finish. I was able to push on though (did my fastest lap on the second to last lap) and managed to hold him off enough to keep 4th. Congrats to Jeff for the win and Paul and Ian for their 1-2 in GTC.

Thanks to all the GTCs for the consideration during the lapping. Everyone was great and I hope I didn't slow any of you up while getting by.

In reference to the stop\gos I got one for a single cut in seasons 4 GT sprint on the original Monza track. Was approaching the first chicane battling with old nemesis Purdie when we both simultanously lost it. I ended up going backwards at a fair rate of knots over that bit of grass between the track and the escape road and got an instant s/g.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Zacari on September 17, 2007, 12:06:26 PM +0100
Just for info in Kerr's issues, I was the first person on the server last night- though I'm not sure if that could cause an issue.  I can't remember when I joined in the first race in Valencia though.  Could it be something to do with the TSJ car?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Kerr on September 17, 2007, 12:13:08 PM +0100
Why network dave and would that explain why my problems only come to head in qualification and not before? Both races so far in upper endurance are fine up to that point.   

Change of session will put more strain on the connection than other times - I think there's some resynchronisation done during that phase. Strange behaviour online when there's none offline, and for you when others are fine, surely suggests that the only element which is different is your network connection. Correlation may not always equal causality, but it can certainly drop big hints...

I think a few people have been having trouble with recording times.

I just thought it was very odd at Valencia( I got track mixed up earlier) that Zacari appeared as "Dan Minton" and I'm sure Dan lost connection at same point as me as I recall he never started race either, and again this week Zacari no time but i could see his name this time.

We ran through all sessions on practice server and no problems for me. I did notice that Jon had some serious connection problems. Strangely team shark junior car. Don't know as like Zacari suggests, something in that?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Paul968 on September 17, 2007, 12:19:02 PM +0100
Can't say I was expecting a lot in the Morgan at Monza. I was well off my times in the RS in practice, and the fact that most people are pretty competitive there meant that I needed others to make a few mistakes. I opted for a better handling/slow speed high downforce setup to avoid my usual Monza raggedness, and got the best I could hope for in qual, putting me several cars back in the GTC field.

Off the line Adam seemed to miss a gear or something, as I was soon level and on the inside line into T1. We squeezed through without contact and I was left with the place on the exit. It didn't last long though, as Adam came past effortlessly soon after on the straight. I started with a full fuel tank, and this plus the extra 25 kg had a big effect early on. John passed me in his Morgan not long after, and I was left pondering how things might play out on the strategy front - pondering all the way into the braking zone at Parabolica, where I went to brake and realised I'd got the wrong braking board  :eek: I skittered across the gravel, kissed the barrier and watched as everyone went by - bugger!

After extracting myself from the gravel trap I set off after teamie Rob, who was keeping up a good pace in the RS. I got past after he made a mistake at Ascari, and then chased after Pseudo. After a short time trying to hassle him in his faster ferrari, he lost control at the 2nd chicane and I had another place. Then I came up behind Dave and Mark Jonzo in a close battle, and managed to take advantage out of T1 and get alongside Dave on the exit. Side by side round curve grande was interesting, but it left me with an outbraking chance into the 2nd chicane which Dave didn't dispute too hard although I left room in case he did. Mark then made a mistake soon after and I was up to 16th. I was then chasing Pops in a pretty brisk Nissan, and I spent the next 17 laps trying to close the few seconds gap. During this time most people ahead pitted, so we rose up the list together until we were 11th and 12th. As time went on his tyres were clearly going off and he got more ragged (although I was too to be honest), and I closed right up, but couldn't find a way past. I aimed to pit very, very late as it was touch and go whether I could make it without refuelling and I wanted to see how things panned out. I realised as time went on that I could probably avoid changing tyres too, and I assumed Pops wouldn't either. As it happens he did change but also messed up the fueling, so when I pitted several laps later I was left in clear air about 20 seconds ahead of SBG and 7 behind Pribeiro. He then gifted me the lead by blowing his engine, and I could turn the wick down and cruise to the end. Phew!

Thanks to all the lappers - no problems at all  :thumbup1: Well done to Ruskus and Simon (really good pace in the Viper), and to Ian for a great drive - you deserved the win I think.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Rob Bywater "Kerb Crawlers" on September 17, 2007, 12:43:41 PM +0100
Quite a consistent race again for me, until I thought I`d squeeze 1 more lap in before I pitted - ooohhh big mistake, spun it and punctured my left front.  Ended up in the gravel and couldnt get out, car just wanted to do left hand circles!!

Started a bit carelessly, letting Pseudo through a huge gap I left at T1! and that was that. Had 1 or 2 little offs, but nothing major till lap 27! So I concentrated on watching the Kerbies bring home the Italian bacon!! Congrats to Paul, SBG, and Dave for podium.

One question I`d like to ask - why do drivers who dont finish the race get points? John (nothing personal) got DQ`d, yet still scored.

Cheers

Rob


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on September 17, 2007, 01:02:43 PM +0100
One question I`d like to ask - why do drivers who dont finish the race get points? John (nothing personal) got DQ`d, yet still scored.

Mostly a DQ is given out by the game - often a driver will quit if taking a stop and go will put them to the back with no chance to return, so we don't add insult to injury by exluding them from the points - particularly if they got further into the race than another driver.

If a driver has done something Really Bad(TM) to earn the DQ then the moderator may choose to exclude them, but I don't think that's ever happened.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Mark J on September 17, 2007, 01:32:10 PM +0100
regarding the corner that gave me a stop and go, i'm not really sure that there should be a cut warning applied to that inside grass crete. The very fact there is grass-crete there means its meant to be used, as that Variante complex is a very tricky set of curves with the kerbs often un-settling the car mid-curve when your trying to line up the 2nd part.
The penalty for cutting it too strongly would be having your left front sucked into the gravel so that should be ample penalty for anyone bending the rule deliberately.
I always find the porker a real handful through that series of turns everytime we race there and could do without the fear of a draconian penalty for getting it wrong just once in a 80 minute race. :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: John on September 17, 2007, 01:54:25 PM +0100
Dont want to dance on paul968s parade,but if it wasnt for the 3 stop and goes and my own pitstop.
That race would have been mine. ;)
At the start of quali i knew ihad a good setup,but i also knew i had a bad race setup.    
So i went out and done one quick quali lap.and spent the rest of quali on my race setup.
A couple of minutes from the end of quali i realised my race setup was poo.
So i went back to my quali setup and opened the rad to 4 and put on meds.
Had a quick go in the warm up,but was still lacking grip.
A minute before the race i decided to take a chance and change my strategy.
I put softs on both front and rear,and put in 20 laps of fuel.
2nd stint was going to be 26 laps of fuel and change to meds.
I was bricking it at the start of the race as i only managed 13 laps on softs when testing with Darren.
I shot off like a bullet,only to be held up by cars in front.Plus a few errors I'd made in the 1st few laps.
Then i got my rhythm,but by this time,Darren had caught me and we had a few position changes between us.
Until we came to the last turn,Couldn't see anything,just plumes of smoke.
Darren took the inside line and i took the middle.
Next thing i saw was i think Edamspeed sitting in the middle,i swerved to the left but Darren had no where to go and careered straight into him.
Bad luck mate,we were having a good dogfight.
Although i was taking it easy on my tyres ;)
I took my 1st stop and go 2 laps before my pitstop.
That killed it for me,i thought,but no,i came out and was flying through the field.
I then managed to get 2 stop and goes on the same lap ::)
So had to come in one lap after another.
On the 3rd stop and go i didn't slow down enough as i entered the pit.
Got another stop and go,but then DQ as i exited the pits.
I must of spent nearly two and a half minutes in the pits,maybe more.
I was gutted.
Congrates to winners


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Paul968 on September 17, 2007, 06:24:29 PM +0100
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Dont want to dance on paul968s parade,but if it wasnt for the 3 stop and goes and my own pitstop.
That race would have been mine.

No problem John. I said in my report:

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...I needed others to make a few mistakes.

and you all duly obliged!  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Joss on September 17, 2007, 09:53:50 PM +0100
Had terrible trouble trying to join this server and finally got in in Q2, only to do 2 race setup laps before my old PC crashed *again*.
Thought that was it, only to get in with about 20 seconds of Q2 left...so I'm starting at the back then ;D

I was very careful to only overtake on acceleration so as not to interfere with the GTC lads too much. It must have been odd to see a Lambo come past on lap 1+2! Quite tough to do though as unless you utilise the better exit speed, the Lambo struggles to overhaul GTC's on the straights. By the time that was done, I was about 7 or 8 seconds behind the last GT1 so set about after that.

Only real battle was with Jure, after that it was just constant hot-lapping to try to get back into it. Was surprised to be up to 4th by my pit-stop but expected to lose 3 or 4 places during it, only to come out in front of Reign Man in 5th! I was about 31 seconds behind 4th at that point so thought that would be it, then the gap dropped to 18 seconds (after PR pitted) and I had a crack at chasing him down. With one lap to go the gap was about 2 seconds....only for me to realise I had all of 3.5 litres or fuel left  :'(
So I had to short-shift the lap, and give up on a very unlikely 4th place. I wouldn't have got it without a mistake from PR though, gd driving under pressure  8)

Then I ran out of fuel going across the grid, crossing the line with nothing left. 2 more litres wouldda done it! Gd race though :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: CeeJay on September 17, 2007, 10:51:30 PM +0100
Overall a pretty poor race here, started pretty well and had a close battle with Shark and Zac, got a shot at the Viper but just barely locked the rear and spun in the chicane, got back in the action again pretty quick tho and swapped places with Zac a few times as we took turn making small mistakes or get caught by backmarkers. But by then I started getting FPS crap again  ??? First time it started up to the Ascari complex, allmost lost it there and was lucky not to take out Zacari I think.
The poor FPS at Ascari scenario repeated itself for a few laps, strangely after a few laps it dissappeared again, but by then I had had to make an unscheduled stop alrdy after 15laps with some various splitter/suspension/tire damage after getting a bit frustrated about the FPS that was slowly starting to ruin my race and spun it out of Lesmo, got slowly and safely back to pits so only cost a minute so I figured I could still be in the hunt for a top 5 if I could stretch the fuel, figured it was just enuff with a full tank to make it to the end. But then unfortunately with the poor fps I had cut a few times and on the outlap I got a 3rd and final cut warning again after focusing too much on a GTC car as I lined up to pass it out of Ascari, bloody hell in to the pits again and came out in languishing in 18th almost 2laps down on leaders.
Last 30 laps was pretty lonely then, after getting past the GTCs ahead and ppl started pitting I was running 9th but gap to 8th was coming down by 2s a lap so that was a small motivation to keep goin at a reasonable pace. Car was actually good and no probs running that long on the same tires here. Ended just a few secs behind P7. I think next time I need to get abit into the rhytm of driving a RHD car prior to the race, kept putting the wrong side where it shouldn't be  :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Jure on September 18, 2007, 01:19:45 PM +0100
Monza - the venue of last seasons' nightmare went fairly better this year. ;D This season brought a new concept to it - some actual practice.

Anyway, first things first.

Being a reserve I was sitting in the lobby waiting for practice 1 to end (26/28). Then, suddenly, 28/28 while lobby still showed Practice 1 (teamspeak2, a? :P ;) ). Arghhh. Then, during practice 2, it showed 27/28 players, tried to join for like... 3 minutes but to no avail, didn't work (?). Finally got in while having a bad feeling I took a spot from FT driver. Did I?  :-[

Anyway, was running 1-3 wing on full load of fuel during practice sessions, times were fairly good (high 44s/low 45s) but with a HUGE fuel consumption, 4.15L per lap which basically meant 100L + 90L stints. A nightmare. Anyway, didn't do well in quali, way of PB, but still, wasn't that bad, was pretty sure I'd have a good race pace (judging by free practice session times from people in my grid-neighbourhood). Race started fine, although I have no idea why I did not attack Mo in T1 though, room was there I simply didn't take it, that Saleen is very poor on the brakes.

Settled in, waiting for tyres to heat up (med-med), then went off track in Parabolica due to Reign Man (I think) messing it up (will he bounce back into me or won't he?  ;D) Overreacted, went to the left to avoid him and ran out of tarmac. Off to the gravel trap and into the barrier. Ignoring a slight nudge in armco I did my best to get out (didn't want to get back on track on ideal line through Parabolica so I eventually drove off at exit from old, concrete inclined Parabolica, ha!) but lost some 17-18 seconds, argh.

Drove behind Backo for few laps while we both tried to hunt down Mo. Turned out Backo was 1 lap down, lol, with a slightly slower pace than I. Pushed as hell only to (eventually) realise although running in P11 there was a car behind me doing amazing times (was in 44s-45s at the time, so I went.... Que? How can that be, there were no GT1 cars messing it up this early, I'd see them off track... :o ). Of course it was FreQ hunting me down like a banshee out of hell (with a car sound to match!). He caught up fast so I went "OK, I'm gonna be as wide as possible for a lap or so just to prove a point, then he'd better pass, no way I can hold him back for much longer than that". But he jinxed me, giggle, could not get it right through, you've guessed it, Parabolica with him on my gearbox (Parabolica being one of the strongest points of my setup. Ouch.). So he passed on main straight only to lose his position at Variante Ascari (worth a look 1580+ on the replay, god knows how a morgan driver felt while he was being passed by a Z350 on the right and lambo on the left down the back straight. Pure gold for you video buffs out there ;) ), same process repeat itself soon after. And then again after the pits. Nice racing FreQ, thoroughly enjoyed it. :) It's interesting how very different setup we drove, completely different wing AND gear ratios, very cool.

Then, as you all know, the sunday carnage at Parabolica happened.(it looked something like this http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=18303185 ). Fortunatelly I was not stubborn enough to go in at full pace when I saw clouds of smoke approaching the corner. Round the corner we go and dear lord, what is this, bowling alley? :o But I missed them all, pheeew. ::) Gained, erm, 4 positions (I think), running 7th.

Pitted... not very late tbh, ran out of fuel fast, lambo's thirsty (I suspect it had lots to do with my gear ratios, high rpm in 5th gear @ Curva Grande for.... forever!!!). Actually gained some time on Reign Man (I'd say some 10 seconds) although pit time was 62 seconds. Anyway, went in 7th, came out 7th. Chase was on again. But guess what, Backo, still a lap down, right in front of me. Again. OK, at least he'll plough through backmarkers for me, cool. But it soon became apparent to both of us I'm slightly faster and he let me by. Thx mate.

Nudged Dan Minton at 1st chicane (he came out of pits on cold tyres, I passed someone right behind him, Dan "stalled" on the exit and I spun him around oh so slightly. Corrected the situation in a split second decision and nudged him again to point him into right direction because I knew there's a train of cars right behind us. Pheeew, disaster avoided  ;D )

Had few semi-spins in second chicane (three, I think) not getting a single warning though (I suspect it was due to NOT being on throttle  when returning to track). Lucky lucky.

Then the FreQ nightmare started to repeat itself, as mentioned earlier. He got by, of course. Was chasing Reign Man again only to realise there MUST be another alien behind me cause he was eating that time difference like crazy. But I did know there's not much more to go so I went "OK, let him blast around the track, I'm slowing down and he still won't catch me, only thing I HAVE to avoid is a mistake".

Which I didn't, of course, had 3-4 costly mistakes (must avoid rhythm changes next time) and had something like 4 seconds on him at the finish line. Him being CeeJay, of course.

All in all a fun race, endurance rules supreme.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Reign Man on September 20, 2007, 01:45:19 PM +0100
Sorry Jure! I didnt realise I was the cause of your off. i'll check the replay and submit a report


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 6 Upper Endurance - Monza (GP) - Sep 16
Post by: Jure on September 20, 2007, 02:13:01 PM +0100
lol. what for? you messed up, I over reacted - far from being your fault mate ;)  :-[