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Practice   :    19:45 (30 Min's)
Qual         :    20:15 (15 Min's)
race 01     :    20:30 (20 Min's)

EVERYONE PLEASE STAY ON SERVER AFTER FINISH OF RACE 1

Short break to reset server for race 2

Practice and Qual          :   20:55 (15 Min's) WHEN EVERYONE MUST STAY IN PITS PLEASE (This time will be used to reverse grid only).
Race 02     :   21:10 (20 Min's)

Cars Allowed: Porsche 996 Cup (811) only, from the UKGTR skin pack 2.6.0.0
Weather Dry
Track: Adria
Race Start Times Race 01 14:00 : Race 02 15:00


Server UKGTR GT3CUP
Password will be normal practice password.

Notes:
1) Standing starts will be used for both races.
2) Normal UKGTR rules will be in force, however please note that due to the short race format and particularly the grid reversal for race 02, extra care should be taken at the start and for the first couple of laps.
3) * The 'qual' session prior to race 02 is for the purpose of setting the grid in reverse order from finishing positions in race 01. PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE AND REJOIN THE EVENT DURING THIS SESSION as this would disrupt the starting order.
4) Please stay within the game (if possible) even if you fail to finish in race 01. The grid order for race 02 will be decided from finishing positions in race 01. Drivers that leave before the end of race 01 will be placed at the back of grid for race 02.
5) Drivers suffering unforeseen 'disco's' in qual will be assigned their 'proper' starting position ONLY IF TIME ALLOWS. However this cannot be guaranteed and it may only be possible to start them from the back.

Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Booo Hisss  ;D

Adria!   :-*
 ;D

TT

Haven't had any time to practice this at all.  I've never driven the Porsche or the track, so if I turn up for this one then watch out at the back  :o

Going to miss this one as off to the Barrowlands tonight!

I think it will be very tight with all the 911's and for the people who can get on with the track I'm sure it will be interesting

I'll be there,but which Porsche  we have to take? 996 BIT or 911 GT3 Cup?Thx for answer.

The Cup car - we class it in GT3.

After last night's race I'm tempted but I've a religious objection to rear-engined cars. :laugh:

We wont complain if you drive it backwards then ;)

Sorry guys I'm going to miss this one too..

Shouldn't I be on the ballast chart ???

Slight cockup with the ballasts, now fixed.

Yay! -5Kg ;D

Lol, 60kg. The closest one to that is BACKO with 5kg ;D

Sorry I couldn't make it lads, I'm off out now for a bit of partying...freshers week :O:O

 >:( I'm going to let the reports do the talking

Really sorry for that last lap contact Madd  :-[  I tried to let you back in front but then you got clouted by another car and span right around  :(
Wasnt the end i wanted to a great 2nd race as had really enjoyed the battles all race.

1st race was rubbish as setup just wasnt toned, had 3 spins and finished 9th.

2nd race was fab, despite getting pounced on at the lights (and i thought i had made a good start on the revs ???)
enjoyed cracking battles with Zacari, Jeff, TT and Madd  8)
Alas on the last lap i ran wide and Madd finally squeezed up the inside of me, i chased him hard, stayed wide and turned in tighter but the extra momentum made me catch madds right rear flank as he presumedly closed the line and it span him around. Not deliberate, i dont try to win races that way.. but i'll take the stewards views on it. :-X

1st race was a blast after early spin of my own doing. Followed TT for much of the race without ever really looking like passing until his late slip. A pleasure doing business with you, as always.

2nd race looked a "little" untidy. Got rear ended by Ruskus, I think, early on. Apologies for that, as it must have looked like I was going to have a plunge at MJ but chickened out at last second and it caught you out. Regrouped and after some incidents somehow found myself in lead with Zacari chasing me. At first I held him off and luckily for me, he slipped up. Then, guess who caught me ;). Great fun in last few laps holding off the charging Ruskus.

Hugely impressive performance from old lardy arse ;D. And racing was great with those I met.

That said, too many incidents obviously happened in 2nd race. Not sure if format is too blame or drivers, but would appreciate your views.    

1st Race)

Was very pleased with pole, regarding the weight.
I had a good start and drove off while BACKO and Zacari were battling. Once BACKO was lose he was gaining fast and right behind, untill be made a mistake and I had a gap again. After that I could drive to the finish and win.

2nd Race)

Again had a good start but cars were all over and I lifted off and keep my position. There was bumping everywhere, and it was a matter of staying clear. At the tightest hairpin I got rearended and there were 2 cars right infront when I exited the hairpin. MJ and SBG. MJ was pretty slow out the hairpin and I moved over only to find SBG lifting off and I erarended him....sorry :-[. I spun due to that and had no idea who I hit and who to wait for. But at that time I was almost at the back anyway ;D.
Had to battle hard to get back, overtaking most people while they were off the track.
Last 8 minutes I was behind SBG, who was in 1st place at that time. I was gaining and last 3 laps right on his bumper. But he defended hard and due to my last mistake I felt bad for the guy and didn't want to overtake him  ;). Nah kidding, he defended well and no way I could overtake him.
Grats on the 2nd win SBG.

Looks like we experienced it the same way :). I moved over as I was faster than MJ and went to the right, right at that time you "chickened out" as you say  :) and I got taken by surprise and I just hit your leftrear. Good thing I lost more than you ;D


Things that cause havoc:
- Small track with no straights
- Weightpenalties. In my case I had a very long stoppingdistance, resulting in dangerous situations sometimes. IMO the weightpenalties are wrong for light, small cars. 60kg is alot different for a Elise or GT3 Cup than a Viper CC.
- All the same cars
- Very short race
- Big speeddifferences between drivers. In WTCC (IIRC) only the first 8 are reversed to prevent fast drivers having to pass the slower drivers, giving dangerous situations

Race 1.

Bad start, but did'nt hit anything, not too many mistakes & very little pace, way too much understeer. but on a positive, I finished on lead lap, which is a good achievement for me.

Race 2.

Got ok start, but made 2 costly mistakes on 1st lap. Very sorry to whoever it was I turned round at 1st hairpin. So once at the back again re-grouped and got some consistancy, and finish on lead lap again...YAY ;D

Again very sorry to anyone who I made contact with (I think there were 2) & congrats to all.

Cheers guys.

That was pretty good stuff seeing how I don't like the track much, or the porka cars.

Enjoyed race 1 with some good little tussles going on and some good close driving...Did a PB time in the race and was reasonably consistant for me ;D....

Race two was another story. Got away ok but bumped someone a little under braking into t1. It was only a small tap and it didn't seem to effect him so we just carried on. Got to the hairpin at the same time as about 35 other cars  ;) and got my rear tagged and spun out. Chasing from the back again....except for Ruskus who was recovering from his own start. I just moved out of his way though...I would have been eaten alive by the gapping shark jaws anyway. :D

Started chasing and managed to catch up but just ended up making silly errors and facing the wrong way.

You know, I could just copy and paste my reports from week to week....same old story. ;D

Grats to the winners and podiums in both races....See you all at Donington (yeah..a proper track TT :P)

I love this track,but I hate porche cars.I tried to make quick setup which works wery good.
Race 1 : I had good start and I overtook MADD ,then Zacari.I was moving forward to Ruskus ,I caught him ,nice close racing but came bloody mistake (kurb ) and spin ::)I lost my position but I manage in last corner beautiful  overtook Mo I think and finished 4'th ;) :)
Race 2: Was demolition derby I think.Many accident in front of me ,behind me and from me also.I'm sorry ! :(

Qually : Missed it completely as I forgot what time this was starting and only logged on about 2 minutes before race 1 kick off  ::)
I probably would have started from the back anyway given that I'd only done about 10 laps as practice.  BTW I love the 911.  If they drive and sound like that in real life then I want one  ;D

Race 1 : Ran pretty well I thought.  Don't remember any details  ??? other than it was fun all the way.

Race 2 : Apologies to those I wiped out at the first hairpin.  Dunce mistake on cold tyres.  Duly waited on the grass for everyone to get going again, then started hunting Psuedo (I think) down.  Best bit was a couple of laps with Backo.  He was mucho fasto coming from behind but kept running wide at the apex, allowing me to switch back on a tighter line and retake the position.  Look forward to watching that on the replay.  ;)

As for race 2 being a little messy, IMO that's partly what these races are for.  They are sprint/single make/reverse grid races which by their nature will be close and hard fought.  They can be a useful alternative to the more conservative thoughtful enduro races so beloved here.  As long as it doesn't deteriorate into a pick up style affair then a little rubbing is fine by me.

Not a bad couple of races, first one definately cleaner than the second ::)

Race 1 was pretty boring until I spun, snatching one gear too many.  Ended up 4th, then inherited 3rd when BACKO spun- only for him to catch me and Madd very quickly!  So really it was pass or be passed, and I managed to sneak passed cleanly before BACKO could have a go.  No chance of catching JR despite being miles lighter :o

Race 2 was great for about 400 yards!  Went from 11th to 5th, CLEANLY, until I got shoved wide in T1 by someone half on the grass going too fast to make the apex ::)  Still all was not lost, was still in a good spot until I got turned in the hairpin.  Then I was back in about 9th.  The madness wasn't over, through various offs I found myself behind SBG who was leading.  I couldn't get passed though, and I made a silly error under braking and spun.  I got it pointing the right way again, got squeezed out by MJ when rejoining- TT passing too, and Madd also passed briefly before I managed to get a run back passed.  Then I spent a few laps trying to get passed the Legends guys, eventually squeezing through :)  Again, not much chance of closing a 13 second gap to SBG, but I closed to within 3 seconds with 2 laps left, then overcooked it slightly and decided to back off before I threw away 3rd.

Many thanks to those who raced cleanly :) and grats to Jeff for being even more :alien: than normal carrying 60Kg's of ballast :laugh:

One point though.  I can accept there might be a little more contact than usual in these short races, but using the 'inevitability' of contact as an excuse is utter crap >:( there is NO need for stupid lunges, punts or side-swipes.  The first lap of race 2 could've been any public server to be honest.  I lost count of the battles I was in, made 7 or 8 passes that were hard fought but above all clean.  I'm sure I could've 'passed' SBG with a stupid lunge, or a tap in a hairpin, but what's the point?  If you can't pass cleanly you don't deserve the place, it's that simple.  Standing starts CAN work, but it needs everyone to use their brains to drive, not their... <insert anatomical part here ::) ;) 8)>

Oh, and a huuuuge grats SBG for a fine win in race 2 :thumbup2: and holding off that mean ol' senior shark :laugh:

I second that. :punk:

Ta Jeff
Good point. The way we all got jammed up at certain points last night is proof enough. Donni should be better and we will bear that in mind for future events.
Not so sure there. The drivers that get those big ballasts, you for example ;), should be/are more than capable of dealing with inherent problems. The good, i.e. closer racing, far outweighs the possible dangers there (I might have a different view next week).
That clearly poses problems for the faster guys at the back who, from what I've seen, rather rush to get to front. This can be seen in both second race standing starts where drivers have, fairly, charged through from the back. However this has proved to be dangerous. Maybe a rolling start for R2 would decrease this problem? or shorter R1, from quali, and slightly longer R2? I would also ask for more calm on opening lap from fast boys at back, please have more empathy for those in front.
Another good point. I thought putting slower guys, outside top 10 say, at the front would add to their fun. How would they feel if we introduced this? Do you enjoy racing with the faster guys? That said, I know that present system may present drivers with dangerous situations but I feel we should be able to cope. Which goes back to Zacari's point about drivers responsibility.

You could have a much shorter rolling start procedure, eg. just the first corner or two in a limiter-snake and then go go go. Obviously a full pace lap in a 20 minute race will reduce the number of laps by quite a lot.


I like the BTCC "wheel of fortune" where they reverse a random number between something like 5 and 9 at the front, to stop people driving to finish, say, 8th in the first race.

You can set number of laps instead of time in GTR2 Dedicated Server I think. You could set race length like that instead then you can have a rolling start without losing a large portion of the race (i.e. add 1 to the lap count), perhaps a double file rolling start.

Just a thought.

The weight penalties are actually supposed to make it a lot more difficult for the people that 'earn' them, that's their nature. It gives some of the 'lesser mortals' a chance to race with the big guys.
I realise that +60kg is a lot for the lighter porka and elise etc, but it is not so noticable in the viper and the heavier cars. The ballasting system however cannot differentiate between makes so a balance has to be struck somewhere and the system we use is the same one used for all the GTC class championships here.


I also like this idea...One thing IMO that it would do is tend to create 2 seperate races within race two, which would not be such a bad idea pitting people of similar abillities against each other. This could easily be implimented by the grid reversal methods we currently use.
Personally I think we should give it a go and see what 'actually' happens....can we have a show of hands for trying it out at Dinington? Donington even ::)

Why does everyone keep saying that the GT3 911 is light? The Cup car is the heaviest 911 we use! (excluding turbos).

Btw, has anyone noticed that in the car files the Viper CC shows as having a weight of 1395 kg but in the showroom it is 1165 - very odd ??

Ruskus's definately is  ;D

Sorry, don't wish to offend and porka lovers...but I know diddly squat about them. I reckon though that its not so much the overall weight of the car but more the amount of controlabillity you have over it...I would assume the other classes of porsche have much better handling characteristics than the GT3 and would therefor make being able to cope with the added weight easier.

I think we should leave the format as it is as we've only run it for 3 events.  People may need more time to get used to the race 2 format, both the slower drivers at the front and the faster ones at the back.

Light on power  ;D. Hence the comparison with the Viper CC.

Besides which, if +60 is so much how come JR managed to stick the car on pole anyway?


There are a number of mistakes in those .txt files.

I think he is the most daring with oversteering kind of setup.  :D  I made it a bit more daring myself for the second race which resulted in better race than quali lap-time.  ::)   But it also resulted in more unstable and risky driving - and contacts.  :(  Well, this was happening 'cause I didn't train with that kind of setup.  :-\

TT

Hmmm, up to now I've trusted them, so I wonder what else is wrong?

Right, the Viper is slightly heavier than stated (25kg), the Maser is much lighter (1180 instead of 1270) and the Saleen is lighter by 20kg. Having said that, the Maser does not produce the stated power of 650, but 600, which explains a lot - no wonder it can't compete on the straights!

It might be an error about the mc12s power, but it's every bit as quick if not quicker than the Lambo on a straight

No it aint  ;)

Myself and TT used the Mc12 last season and we were out gunned by almost every GT1 car on a straight  :-[
When i tried the Lambo v my Mc12 in timetrial tests i was faster everytime in the Lambo.

Not even close.  :(  Ask mo - he used it Upper Sprint in Monza. I was quicker in Lambo and that's not normal.  ;D  Also, like MJ said , we used it in S5 - all season and not one final position worth mentioning. I like the car and I was hoping for a ballast revision, but  :dots: And I'm not sure lowering ballast would help. I know TPG league made a modded MC12 '07 and it's on par now - they use it as a normal GT1 car with others in races, but they changed several things: power curve, suspension settings, cooling, etc.

TT

I was considering a change to the MC12 during last season. The problem I have with it is I make too many errors and never feel totally secure with the car. On a single lap basis I'm quicker with the MC12 at some tracks.

However the main straight at Monza with good exit speed the Lambo I can manage about 183-184MPH and the MC12 186-187MPH

Don't worry though chaps, we will not be using the MC12 or Lambo in this GT3 series.. :P ;D ;)

MC12 is too twitchy for my driving style. Even with equal power I don't think I'd want to drive it, although if it was included in GT3 Cup I might be tempted.  ;)

The Lambo has a higher drag factor than the MC12 and similar power, so you might expect top speeds to be similar but with the MC12 shading it. Top speed though is not the most important thing, as the lambo has a lot less weight and so will accelerate quite a bit quicker than the MC12 until they both reach very high speeds.

I was very comfortable off-line with the car but when it comes to on-line racing MC12 usually comes a bit short.

TT

Spot on Paul. At Monza I ran 1-1 wing in the MC12 and the Lambos just zoomed off down the main straight while exiting Parabolica. Towards the end of the straight I was gaining slightly that's true, but it takes so long to get there that there's no chance of overtaking anything, even at Monza! Even when travelling behnd a car that made a mistake in Parabolica I still couldn't even close up with min wing and a slipstream. Not only is it down on power but it has got the poorest power delivery to the wheels of all the cars in GTR2 imo. Its unpredictable and, as Simon says, very twitchy and sadly it needs to be driven well within its limits during races. Simon passed me quite easily the other night in the Viper GT so its not too hot on the twisties either.
Added to the fact that it carries more ballast than a Lister makes a bit of a nightmare package tbh.

Are the replays being put up soon, I've got reams of paper and a new pen that needs to be used for the reports I'll be doing.  ::)

They were up last night:

https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtr/Adria_071001_GT3%20Cup%20Race1.zip

https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtr/Adria_071001_GT3%20Cup%20Race%202.zip

Race 2 was a bit ragged wasn't it!

Real shame I can't make Monday nights for this, but my expanding waistline dictates that I need my weekly football fix  :)

 ::) Sorry, mind is off on holiday!

So, putting my team founder hat on for a moment, remind me again why you are driving it Mo?  :P ;D

I really like driving this car, it's shortcomings  are shown in on-line races only.  :)  The car turns in like no other and I had to strain to set the Lambo up in the beginning.   :-\

TT

i think me and TT dialled out most of the twitchy-ness of the Mc12 last season. I never found it a real handful once i had that solved. The problem was the sheer lack of grunt compared to the other GT1s which is why we were left bemused when no modification was made to its ballasting.....perhaps cos no TS driver uses it  :whistling:

...takes cover for incoming  ;D

Go on Mark share your setup with us  :-*


 :lol: :lol: :lol:

 ::)

Team Shark does not run this league (and has no desire to). Many individuals, headed by Gizmo, run this league and what team they are in is of no consequence to how the league is run. If Team Shark ran this league I would certainly not allow it to be called anything but Team Shark Online Racing League. So I suggest anyone else that thinks that this is a Team Shark racing league check out the name of the league again as I know Mark you are not the only one to still think that Team Shark runs this league and that somehow all Team Shark drivers get special treatment.  :-*

And lets not forget who campaigned an MC12 all last season  :-\