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Practice 1:	20:10	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:20	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

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Weather: Dry
Track: Adria v1.2 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#msg54900))
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: no mandatory stop

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Might come along tonight. I will wait and see how busy it is since I'm only a reserve for this series.

The only thing that might stop me is I'm nightshift so need to leave 9.40pm latest. I recall you saying Dave that the warm up would probably removed once you were happy your ballast program worked. Any more confident yet?

I guess so - times above amended but I can't ensure that the race will end at or before 21:40 as there's a short delay between sessions which tends to push the schedule out a little, and of course the last lap might start moments before the clock ticks down to zero.

I think he was hoping for the race to start 5 minutes earlier Dave, not to have it switched to qual.

I know, but with one session less the race should start closer to the scheduled time, which should mean it finishes at about 21:38. I'm not going to change the start time this late in the day for a race tonight. The start of Practice 1 is already 5 minutes earlier than events in Season 5 and experience suggests that if we bring it ahead any more, some full timers will not be ready in time to join and will end up losing their spots to reserves, which is a bone of contention at the moment with the fairly healthy grids we're enjoying.

OK, although you wouldn't need to bring the start of practice 1 back at all, just keep qual at 20 minutes as we have had for the first 2 races. I doubt we would lose any drivers from the grid by doing this, in fact, can you join a race as late as the warmup? If not then it would make no difference at all except to start the race a full 5 minutes earlier.

Can we make 100% sure the server announcements are correct tonight?  They've been wrong a couple of times recently and it can be  really off-putting! :)


Hopefully I'll be around for this, assuming there's room.

Have they been wrong in a real event or just during practice  ???

You mean the auto-messages from GTR2 Manager?

I've assumed GTR2 Manager, I know we ran a test race with the wrong ones but I wasn't aware of a proper event being wrong. Perhaps I' just forgetful  :-[

'twas last night's races specifically, ***Rolling start*** messages kept coming up and we ended up using the weather file too.  Can't think of a 'proper' league race it's happened in off the top of my head :)

oh for f*cks sake..what happened to the poxy warmup ?  :cursing:

you keep sodding around with session times

Mysterious engine explosion here :(
Temparatues were in the 80's so dunno what caused it!
I had a couple of spins so the engine went to idle a couple of times but that shouldnt damage it?!

I had my gear ratios set very close to get 6th into play (but with a high 1st for the hairpins) so perhaps this stressed the engine top much?? Any thoughts coz I dont want that to happen again - was having fun!!

 >:( Well that just takes the biscuit, taken out from someone who was absolutely nowhere near a pass and made the car virtually undriveable, ffs I'm getting sick of writing reports.

Had to fight hard to gain a few places in qually and ended up 4th in class.

First few laps I was following 2 Fezza's and was impossible for em to gain on them, so I was in a gap. Bara then went off and I gained his place.
Then got into another gap between Zacari (infront) and Simon (behind). But in the last 5 laps or so I was right behind TT, at about 0,5s. Was great fun following him around, but was unable to try anything.

Finished 4th in class, which si pretty good, as the Mosler is no good here, especially with +40kg. Another good thing about 4th is -10kg for the next race ;D.

Grats Mark on the GT2 win and BACKO in the GTC win.

Sorry - it was against my better judgement to do anything at such late notice. :-[ I did say at the start of the season that the warmups were only until we were confident with the ballast system.

Some people seem to attract trouble - I'm not suggesting that you're necessarily doing anything wrong but if you're attracting incidents somehow perhaps there's something in your approach or driving style which is different to others and makes you more vulnerable to certain kinds of incidents?

Awesome race for me - couldn't quite stay with Shark early on but made up for it with a great battle with Adam's M3, which should've slipped by when I had a slide coming out of the final turn, but I used a Jedi mind trick on him to make him go straight off in turn 1. :laugh:

So braking for a hairpin at the black marks is attracting trouble? thanks for that Dave, it DOESN'T help when you cast aspersions like that

Replay (https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtr/Adria%20-%20Lower%20Sprint%20071002.zip) available, provisional results above and league standings here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=59)

Worst results file for a long time too, 5 or more drivers with up to 3 or 4 sets of data  :-\

Thought I was on for pole only to watch mark steal it on the very last second of qualifying.   I thought Mark had fallen asleep at the start as he forgot to go. After a close lap or two, mark ran wide allowing me the chance to make a pass. I could not put the power down in fear of running him off the track and this allowed him to keep inside line for next bend. Had to leave mark room and it also allowed backo the get past. I was keeping up ok but my tyres went off very early. Started snapping all the time and i made a number of mistakes. Paul richards caught me and put me under massive pressure lap after lap. Was fighting with paul and the car and did so until the last lap. Too much power too soon and got a big wobble and could only watch paul sail past. Well done mark and backo on class wins. Great race paul! I'm glad i'm losing some wait as i can only think that 25kg was a bit much for me on such a tight track

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Adria LS 02-10-2007/index.html)

You think that's much ::). Try 50% weight more and less power ;D

Must be tough at the top ruskus!

I was going to brave soft fronts, thankfully I never. The medium rear tyres were way past their best and the front right was shot too. The front left was still fine. I never noticed tyre wear being an issue in practice earlier. Not sure how much was down to the 25kg or the higher temperature.

Some sort of Team Shark conspiracy no doubt.
(Or perhaps it was in the race announcement)

TBH losing the warm-up annoyed the hell out of me, doing a 40 min race with a full bladder and trying to hang onto the TVR is not the nicest feeling in the world ::)

Changes to the race timing like that 90 mins before the start of the event is really not necessary imo.

No sharky...not this time mate  ;)

I think its crazy to not have warmups, not everyone has the luxury of hours of testing and practise for each track. I often dont even get home until just before 1st practise and so often the warmup is the only time i might get to do a quick lap with race fuel etc onboard and quickly check my tyre temps etc with a flying lap. Not only that but its often handy to quickly do any 'real life' stuff whether it be grabbing a glass of water or going to the khazi ! on enduro nights :-[
We're getting less and less practise session time and now no warmup either  :(

Oh well i got an unexpected evening of playing with the P&G mod and had some driftastic fun around Brands...fantastic!, 8) probably more fun than i would have had at Adria anyway. You guys really ought to give it a proper go but anyway, off topic.

Sorry for opening a can of worms for you Dave. However it was discussed prior to the start of season and was always said to be a temporary measure and would be removed once ballast system had been proven. Fair enough from a selfish point of view I don't want to see warm up sessions as it makes me late for work when I'm nightshift. If you guys really feel the need for them please feel free to put them back in, but it will rule me out I'm afraid. I don't want special treatment but I'm sure for the sake of 5 mins it's not going to kill anyone

Wasn't sure if I was going to turn up for this....not being the circuits greatest fan and all :) but I quite enjoyed last nights races here so I thought what the hay.

nearly decided to quit during qually though....4 times I got baulked when on a quick lap...and not at the silly pit exit either :o but stuck with it and had to settle for a lap 1.4 seconds off my pb.  Just a reminder to some folk...the rules here actually count during qually too ;D.

Race started ok, was holding my own and have a good battle with Eddie Mayer...some good close stuff with us both making little errors to let the other through....untill I tagged him in the hairpin....Sorry Eddie.
I new I was quicker than you through there and tried to cut in to your inside to get a run up the straight but just caught the curb on the apex which bounced me into you. Madd was close behind and nearly got tangled in it but I pulled over to let him through whilst I waited for Eddie....Unfortunately though I took off again after the wrong car :-[ and ended up just cruising round for a lap waiting for Eddie to pass. He did...right in the middle of a ruck of front runners and by the time I got chance to rejoin and get back to speed I was 12 secs behind him  ::) Just desserts comes to mind.

Chased him down again though and was only 1/10th behind coming into the last corner with about 15 seconds left on the clock...great I thought, probably just make another lap to give me a chance at him....then spun before I hit the line as the leader went past to finish the race. ::)

I reckon tonight's and last nights races here were a lot better than the enduro...whilst the track isn't actually growing on me.....I reckon I could live with it.  ;D

Grats to class winners and podiums. And of course our Backo for a fine GTC win. ;)

Not a bad race that, much better than I was expecting in the TVR.

Quali was a PB on my first flying lap, ended up 8th but 3rd in class.  The pace lap was again pretty fast, with barely any time even to get the limiter on!  And I though CJ's one was fast ::) don't know how much worse it must have been further down the grid.

Can't remember much about the race, other than attempting to chase down Paul but never getting closer than around 3-4 seconds, and having close battles with Baracus, Adam and TT, (sometimes VERY close! :)).  Had some fun sliding the car around, at one point I was on full opposite lock around T1, narrowly avoiding a spin :o and I ended up taking some very unusual lines through corners- the TVR had some quite evil turn-in understeer but would swing out on exit with no problems atall :laugh:

Grats to Mark and BACKO for class wins :)

Yes Brian i did fall asleep at the line, not used to being at the front of a ukgtr grid ;) i couldnt see the lights so i was going by the clock on the dash and yes i took a moment for me to realize that the timer was already started ::).

But anyway on lap 1 T2 i locked up big time and ran wide (it wouldnt be the last time i did that too), i knew Kerr would be sniffing blood so i kept tight to the inside for my defense.   Backo surprised me with his pace in the morgan but i felt comfortable knowing i had the legs on the straights.  In fairness to Backo he kept me honest for at least 20 mins but then i got a bit of a gap and the race was quiet from then on.
 
Congrats to Backo for GTC win and Thanks to the Guys who let me by without any hassle :angel:

I might take a GTC car next time out.

Cheers Mark

Quite satisfied with that after the Monza debacle. Qual was hard because of the traffic, although I doubt I could have beaten Backo's great time anyway. In the race I was putting pressure on TT, who went wide at T1 after a few laps and let me past. I was then chasing Teamie Paul R as TT dropped back, but he never gave me a sniff. After a while we caught up with Kerr, and Paul was clearly finding out how hard it is to pass at Adria. Our little train continued on for many laps until I made a small mistake near the end and dropped back a couple of seconds. It was then a case of backing off a bit and getting to the finish, with Zacari far enough behind not to be a problem.

Backo was in a class of his own in GTC and deserved the class win - very impressive. Mark was also well clear in GT2 so congrats to him. Big thumbs up for Paul R, who drove a faultless race for a well deserved 2nd place in GT2, which puts the Kerbies on the top of the pile in class and Paul in the lead for the driver championship :thumbup2:

Still don't like the track for racing. Passing is only on if you have a big advantage or the car in front makes a mistake.

Was amazing race here again, slower cars are more suitable for me,I think.I qualified like 3'th,very happy.The race start ok,after some  Kerr's mistake I took  2'th position then I  started  push Stnasky.I expected some bigger mistake form him,but nothing happend.My tyres was gone quite quick so last 10 min I slow down.I finished  2'th but I brought GTC victory for PSEUDOS Team!!!  :thumbup2:
I really enjoyed this race!Well done podium both class.

No worries Psuedo. I made a big mistake and changed gearing for qualy and the race and it took me too long to adapt to the changed handling. Quite often I downshifted to neutral instead of 1st and ended up with almost no speed in the middle of a corner. And it happened again when you tapped me. I didn't expect you to wait as I felt it wasn't really your fault. Thanks anyway :thumbup2:

As Kerr says, I always said we would get rid of the warmups once the ballast process was stable. It's bad enough having to sit around for 2 minutes at the start of the race whilst half the field faffs around - an extra 5 minutes of dead time is a waste.

Now, I shouldn't have changed the times at such a late stage yesterday, and having done so I should've remembered to announce it during qualifying too, and for that I apologise.

But be realistic - a 5 minute warmup is not enough time to check race tyre, water and oil temperatures properly, it takes that long just to warm the tyres up properly.

It's probably a lot harder at the sharp end, but back in the midfield, the tricky nature of the track, especially the kinky braking zones, was great for producing those mistakes. :D

ps. No, Mo, I haven't forgotten the great scrap I had with you either. But I knew that sooner or later you'd slither past, whereas Adam I thought I could hold off. :laugh:

Yeah - good stuff at the end there Dave.  The M3 was all over the shop by then - I was really struggling with the tyres.  I'd had a few lapses in concentration to lose time and let you by, but it was a rookie error going straight on at T1 after your mistake.  It was reminiscent of S4's enduros where I'd be catching you up after the pit stop, the M3 having to take on a swimming pools worth of fuel whilst the Z did a stop and go.  Don't expect to get so close to me at Spa next race ;) .

Sorry for the earlier sarcasm, being a bit ratty at the moment (must be that time of month :)).

A very dull race. Hated driving the track as it's so dull and with no battles I was bored by the end when Mo came up to pass me for position I just figured 2 minutes to go why bother racing him, he's in a different class anyway and flashed him through as I was just going through the motions to get to the end by then. Hairpins just don't do it for me, I prefer corners that involve something, something, anything. :)

One suggestion for the next race here is that I think the pit limiter needs to come on earlier on the warmup lap for the next races as the back of the field barely managed to bunch up before they got going. Might be worth mentioning in the race announcements so that whoever the pole sitter is can slow down a bit earlier.

Good idea. I must admit I didn't get to use my limiter before the start last night, by the time I made the attempt to close up after the last turn it was too late and everyone was racing. I would assume it was the same for the couple of drivers behind me too.

okay got the 'day after' calmness now. :angel:
 I was already having a very bad day upto missing the race start because the sessions had changed ! That was the icing on the proverbial cake to send me into orbit  :taz:

Although i dont like the idea of missing a warmup, to me it smacks of arcadey GTL, diving straight into the race from qually, i understand it helps someone like Brian to race because of his nightshift.
Surely we need to have a warmup in enduro though where we use variable weather? (not that it ever seems to rain in virtual land   :whistling: ) but we at least see big variations in temperature and i like doing a quick couple of warm up laps to get a feel for the heavier car under cold brakes and med tyres just before the race. Its all part of the immersion for me personally and assume a few others?
Glad to see the back of Adria really, not overly fond of it though it made for good close racing. I also had two CTD's in both our races there (during qually), something that never normally happens with my rock solid connection.

The warmup session's weather might not bear any resemblence to that of the race, though - it'll only be related as closely to the race conditions as the end of qually will be without the session.

Hard work racing around here again but great fun last night. Qualifying went ok and was pleased to start 4th. Was on a quicker lap at the end I think (no motec in the 360) but dropped it in the second to last corner.

Race start was ok. TT was attacking in the opening laps but teamie Paul was right behind him giving him hassle. This allowed me to pull away a bit before Paul got by. All the time I was losing ground to the front 3. Paul then got by and chased me with his quick pace again in the RS. My car was getting quicker and I was able to hold him off. Brian then had a moment and appreared in front of me so I attacked. His car looked a little unsteady in places and I got close a couple of times but not enough to make a move. It was great to race so close for so many laps and all the time I had to keep one eye on Paul in the mirrors until he dropped back a bit in the final stages. My car was great right up to the end so I was able to keep the pressure on Brian. On the final lap (not that I knew it at the time without Motec) Brian had a big slide on exit of the second left and dissappeared from my view. I kept right as I wasn't sure where he was exactly but was able to get up the inside into the hairpin. Was relieved to see the end of the race come. Great race Brian! Congrats to Mark and Backo for their wins, great pace and to teamie Paul for his podium.

I will get a nose bleed being top of the championship standings - the ballast must be working  ;D

Thanks to all the cars when lapping especially when me Paul and Brian were in our 3 car train. Didn't break us up at all and very considerate as its tricky in places to pass here even when letting people through.

Well thats gotta be the best race Ive ever competed in  ;D

Quallied well, just 1/10th off my pb, but screwed it up on the very first corner, when I spun it allowing virtually all the rest of the traffic thru. I think I was too intent on getting the power on too early - either that or Dave was practising his Jedi mind games already! Rejoined alongside Teamie Eddie, but in my anger at losing it so early we had a coming together, nothing too bad, but sure it was down to me - sorry Eddie. Spent the whole of the rest of the race battling for position(s), which was fantastically fun stuff, and what its all about, a lot better than racing yourself. I had 1 or 2 interesting moments along the way (need to check the replay), and after spouting about consistency over the last 2 races, proceeded to spin a couple of more times!! Congrats to podiums, and to Paul968, and PaulR for excellent finishes.

Anyhow my driving is definitely improving and Im enjoying these races more and more.

Cheers

Rob

Great to hea that Rob :)

Wrt warmup sessions, imo they would be vital if we had standing starts. It gives people a few laps to get out of hotlap mode before everyone barrels into T1 in a heavier car on slippier tyres. I've seen the effects of this in a NK league and its not nice. So for the cup races I think its a good idea.
However because we've got the pace lap to settle in and warm the brakes imo it makes no odds whether to have a wamup or not. It is handy for the smokers amongst us though ;)
One thing I have to say though is that I understand that some peeps need the race to finish earlier, but there's also many of us with commuting and kids who are very rushed just to make it in the first place. I literally make the server at 20:15 in a crazy rush each time and if it starts any earlier then I'm depending on reserve spots :/

Anyway I really enjoyed the race last night. Really struggled with the ballast and qualled in 8th place, but on lap 2 I slid off the kerb leading onto the s/f straight and round I went. Rejoined in 17th and had a blast getting back up to 9th. A great battle with DG for a few laps, great driving by Dave and for laps I couldn't get enough overlap anywhere to safely have a go down the inside. Eventually Dave had a small wobble getting the power down onto the straight and it allowed me to get past into T1. Then Baracus lost his engine in spectacular fashion, nearly blinding Psuedo (I think) with the explosion :D
Then I came upon the other Shark 350Z and was hoping for a scrap with Simon but you just left me through with one to go! There's an overall championship too Sharky ;)

The championship looks very close now and it should be a nice fight for the rest of the season with a whole bunch of drivers on roughly equal points (well closer than previous seasons by a long shot). Good the see the Kerbies topping the tables too!

Grats to John, Backo and teamie Paul on the podium and taking the championship lead 8)

ps. sorry to the GTC porka I hit while you were entering the pits, not sure who it was until I check the replay. I realised too late that you were crossing to enter the pit. I just hope you didn't miss the entrance because of me :/

 :laugh:
Yeah twas me...nearly forgot about that..took me a second or two to realise what had happened, (thought some big black clouds had decended and we were in for rain ;)) untill I saw a wall of flames infront of me through the smoke...but with some very very skillful driving (read pure luck with no judgement :)) I managed to avoid him and carry on.

If anyone is making a vid of this race, be sure to include that engine blow btw. It was pretty spectacular. (although I don't think Barracus would have been too thrilled with it :D)

 :P :P

I don't count that one as a meaningful championship as there is no way I personally could compete against GT2s in the 350Z, so it's not really meaningful to me. :P :-*

Besides, I really wouldn't have had any response to any sort of attack from your Ferrari. :'(

Took me a couple of seconds to realise what had happened too! That's why it may have looked like a while before I got off the track! My first DNF for as long as I can remember so can't complain too much I suppose! :)