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Practice 1:	20:10	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:20	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 or G2 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.6.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (G2 cars will not score points)
Weather: Dry
Track: Adria v1.2 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54900#msg54900))
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: no mandatory stop

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I may be making a guest appearance to check out my new G25... ;D

Sounds like the WTCC trip generated good business for logitech.

Full of a cold atm, so may have to miss this one.
Aagramn - Lister Storm   Lap 8  Retirement Reason: Clogged with mucus.

I'm going to miss it due to work i'm afraid.                    

whats the word on the G25's then gents?...worth the upgrade from a DFP ? or would you wait until the DFP is at deaths door ?
Pops has just got one this week too but he hasnt been too forthcoming with info on it...we reckon he is guarding it as his secret weapon to be unleashed at the next race  :shifty:

That question has been asked a million times and can be found at the forum. One word, YES, it's worth the upgrade. My DFP was 3 months old when I swapped and never regretted it.

And I'll miss tonights race.

Well I'm not sure I'd have bothered if my DFP's pedals weren't going through pots the way my car goes through petrol. It's a big wadge of cash for a wheel for sure and only time will tell if I can live with just two buttons on the wheel...

OTOH if it breaks I will probably buy another one rather than pressing my DFP back into service - the DFP is a good wheel but the G25 is a great one, and then pedals are in another league.

ps. I grow money on trees so that may colour my decision too. :D

Is the wheel that much better than the DFP? I don't care about the pedals because I have S7s, but I keep mulling over getting a DFP to replace my old MSFF.

In that case, I need €100.000,- to finance my pilotlicense. Cause it looks like I won't go  :'(

I should be OK to race tonight....couldn't make yesterday after I......fell asleep >_<

Why aren't you sorting your pilot stuff out Jeff?

The G25 wheel is at least as big a step forward from the DFP as the DFP was from the LWFF GP.

Cause I can't get the money together. I need somebody who can stand warranty for my loan of €100.000,- . Loan will be on my name, but in case something goes wrong, which is very unlikely, the bank needs warranty. My parents are divorced and can't stand as warranty. So after medicine, Airforce, KLM flightacademy, it's now the EAA which passes me and there's nothing I can do by the looks of it.

In what way Dave? Is there more feel? faster response? higher quality?

Think I'll give this race a miss. I've so thoroughly not enjoyed driving Adria itself that I don't want to race it for a 4th time.

Dunno about faster response, but it's incredibly smooth, and the force feedback seems so much more direct than the DFP - and I haven't even set it up properly yet!

thanks for the feedback Dave, :-*  think i need to get myself one of those cookies  8)

Was about to order last week until a load of car bills came my way via MOT, Tax and insurance all in the same weekend  :'(
but hey i went scrumping on your money tree....  ;)

B'ah, early bath for me  :'(

Was really enjoying that too, fantastic adrenalin rush that track gives you in close tight battles.

Qually was excellent with the top 8 seperated by 100ths of a second, the merest blink of an eye moving you up or down the grid  8)

Race was fantastic, glued to Jure's Lambo in similar machinery for about 12 laps with SBG less than a second behind us and the front 9 or so of us all in a fast train.
Moved upto 5th or 6th when Mo and Gazza? went wide and was trying every angle to squeeze past Jure to no avail :fencing:
Then, my pre race fear came to fruition as i gave it just a little too much gas on the exit of Turn 1 and the car understeered off into the armco  :(  Got front left suspension damage and meandered back across the track fortunately not collecting Mo, but it was close! :o
Tried getting around the next 2 corners but it understeered straight off and my pit was telling me to come in for repairs...had no choice but to park up and retire  :'(

Terrible race for me.

Got a pb in quali which I was happy about but got tagged at the first turn in race and suffered some aero damage and really struggled to keep the car on the tarmac..I eventually gave up any hope of chasing anyone so pitted for repairs and just tootled round til the end.

I am SO GLAD to see the back of Adria :D....roll on SPA....... :jumpjoy:

Grats to winner and podium.

Tough break MJ :-\ and agreed, that was much fun. Not sure Adria provides "proper" racing but its about the only track were it's impossible to pass without a mistake, no matter how slow I am ;), which makes it worthwhile in itself.

Stuck in the Jure train for countless laps with no chance to pass MJ. After his unfortunate off it was my turn to pester Jure but he would not break, good solid work mate. After a few laps the flying Mo caught me up and got past only to go off again. Bugger me if he didn't catch me again (great fun watching you push hard in the mirrors, worth the entrance fee alone :)) but I held him till final lap. At least I thought it was the final lap ::), I slowed, he sped past and then I realised we had one more to go. Who cares when it was that much fun and I at least I didn't wreck as I was just about to :)

Grats to winners and all that took part. For the life of me don't understand why this series and GT3 stuff, which have provided the best racing by far this season, aren't better attended.  

Replay (https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtr/Adria%20-%20Upper%20Sprint%20071009.zip) plus provisional standings (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=58)

Started 4th, finished 4th. Was really close in the opening stages and thought it would be a fight for 2nd for the whole race, until Gazza and Mo's unlucky coming together.

Somehow Baracus got me on T1, lesson learnt there! Gd move. Also TT managed to get me at the same place about half way through the race. I tried to come back but was already sliding everywhere, and really started to get ragged towards the end, sliding off the track a couple of times and half spinning, laying big slides down everywhere. Gd start to the race anyway. :)

Looking forward to Spa, much better than smelly Adria. Did anybody like it?  ???

I've enjoyed the couple of GT3 races I've done but Mondays are only so so for me for a race night and after Adria on Sunday I needed a break. Hmm wonder if that had anything to do with tonight's turnout in general :-\

Bah! You're all too damn fast :)

I think someone came and replaced my setup with one from a drift car - the back end was stepping out all over the place. I'm sure it gave Mark Mc. something to watch! :)

Managed a 1:11 in qualifying, but couldn't get near that in the race, but was holding off Mark, until I put a wheel on the grass on the lap corner, spun out, and dropped 2 places. Other than that it was just a hotlap session really  :-\

I don't think the Saleen is very good at this track - it's like driving a Sherman tank around your living room ;D

Great time here in Adria!  ;D
It's an interesting circuit, once you get to know it.  ::)
I know every little speck on the back Barracus' car.  :D  Watched it for most of the race and not a chance to pass. Once, only once I got beside but the s/f straight was not big enough.  :)  Towards the end the car became unpredictable on worn tyres so I decided 3rd is better than nothing. Freq was a constant threat and I'm glad I was able to concentrate the whole race, not making any serious mistake.  :)
Was funny in the beginning when Gazza lead the train of 5, 6 cars. Mo was getting impatient, and all of us with him. Pressure was sky high.  8)
And Zac had the same luck I had yesterday in z3m, lucky bu@@er.  ;D
Sorry to see you didn't finish, MJ.  :(

TT

Dunno why but I did like it! Maybe its coz I didnt finish the race in the GT2's due to my mobile barbecue so i'm not Adria'ed out yet, but I found it has a really nice flow with not a moment to rest... and that's without other cars around me!

Qualifying is the closest I have ever witnessed I think. 3 of us seperated by 0.003 so I started 5th. I managed to find half a second in Practice 2 (compared to Prac 1) and I got a faster time (just about) in Q but it was not enough! I'm sure there was some competitive sandbagging going on in the praccy :-)

I had a lucky race methinks. First bend I braked too late and had no option but to cut down the inside to the apex 'accidentally' passing FreQ - honestly didnt mean to lunge like that and I was so relieved that I didnt take anyone out... phew!

First few laps we were nose to tail P2 - P6 with all of us attacking and defending at the same time which was a bit nuts. Zacari was walking away at the front and eventually Gaz and Mo came a cropper and I sneaked past, now with TT latched on to me. I pushed for a couple of laps to see if I was going to be able to gain on Zacari but no chance - even with a pretty much 'on it' lap he was pulling away 0.1 a lap so I gave up the chase and focussed on keeping my 2nd place and keeping the tyres healthy, so I wasnt really pushing - just trying to keep wheelspin to a minimum and not outbrake myself. Gap between TT and myself stayed between 1 and 2 seconds for almost the whole race but then he vanished with 3 or 4 to go and I could relax a bit to the finish.

This was personally one of the most satisfying races i've had. I really felt on top of the car and tuned in to this track. Probably be back down to earth with a bump at Spa then ;)

I like that sort of pressure, makes me concentrate properly!!

I quite liked this track. Qualy was good lots of space on track and got 2nd by a nats hair lol  maybe a little false due to poor turn out but pleased anyway and was sooo relieved that Zacari got pole cause i was sh**ting it thinking i might have to lead the formation lap lol. 

Start was ok, i was a little cautious coz i didnt wanna chuck it all away, Zacari zoomed off as i expected so just tried to get in a groove and keep it all nice and tidy. Could see train of cars behind me all very close and possibly a little quicker than me but i knew if i kept it clean i had a chance of holding on. Then in the little chicane after the hairpin Mo got very close and gave me i friendly tap and unfortunately spun me round. What made it worse was that i couldnt find the clutch button so my engine stalled and it took me an age to get goin again.

Red mist slightly down i really pushed hard to catch up but my GTR-PD thing was just a white blank pretty much all the race so had no info on what my tyres were doin and no time gaps. A few people spun which got me up to 9th and then had a good couple of laps trying to get past someone in a corvette which eventually i did so finnishing 8th.

grats to winner and podium.

I would have liked to race but just work comes first I'm afraid.

A bit odd only 13 cars tonight? I know many people did not like the track, but like myself rolled their sleeves up and got on with it.

Well, I don't think it's the worst track in the world ;) :D Honestly I'm not sure why people dislike it so much.

Qualifying was amazing, the top-5 were covered by less than a tenth of a second :o and after discoing early-on I managed to sneak pole by a VERY small margin ;D  The race was less close but still good fun :) I could scarper in the opening laps whilst everyone squabbled for 2nd, pulling out a second a lap.  Baracus ended up 2nd around lap 10, and after 3 or 4 laps making sure I wasn't being caught I could relax more until the finish :)

A bit disappointed more weren't there racing tonight, though to be honest I wasn't planning on racing tonight either :D  Before tonight, over the last 2 weeks I've turned roughly 200 laps around this place, so I can see why people were less interested in the final race at the track- especially when the cup race yesterday was here as well.  Not that I mind too much, I don't think I've ever won back-to-back races in the same series before 8) the downside being lots of ballast at Spa :o :( can I donate some ballast to JR? ;D

Well done to everyone who turned out :)

I wasn't convinced even when I put it in the schedule but I've really grown to like its busy, short track nature. The odd fast bend wouldn't go amiss though. My race was just a test (more anon) but I never expected to be competitve in GT1, with no setup work and a brand new an unfamiliar wheel. And indeed I wasn't. :D

That was an interesting test for the G25. The pedals really the part at the front to be detachable as they're too large to fit on my GameFrame's pedal stand properly; I had to reverse it (in a direction it's not supposed to be reversed!) to mount them on at all and even now they're too high. Added to that I was having to curl my left leg round the wheel 'pole' which was very uncomfortable, and made it hard to apply enough brake pressure evenly enough. I'm going to have to try either using the clutch pedal as the brake, or mounting it over to the right instead and right foot braking. At the moment I can't modulate brake pressure properly or really feel what I'm doing which is making racing very hard.

I'm also going to have to try something else to actually angle the pedals up because the bar on the stand for it doesn't really work with the pedal mount reversed. It folded up under my feet once in qually :o but fortunately not in the race.

The wheel itself was great; I was catching slides noticably more easily than with the DFP. I clearly need to work on the settings as the wheel is a bit numb around the centre, then loads up as you turn. The feeling of the wheel going light when you turn too hard and start to understeer is very good, you can engage in really good old-fashioned 'grip hunting'.

I'm still getting used to the paddles. Upshifts aren't a problem but it's going to take me a while to train my left hand to come completely off the paddles when downshifting as the microswitch is activated with the slightest of pressure on the paddle, and if you don't take you fingers fully off it you don't get anything but the first downshift. I'm also going to have to learn to move my fingers away from the paddles when turning in, as I downshifted into neutral a few times in the right handers. :-[

One problem I didn't expect was that the thinner wheel did start to make my fingers ache after a while, even with gloves on. I also found that the area where you hook your thumbs through the wheel has a hard ridge in it; without gloves the stitching on the leather was chafing my skin, with them it was merely uncomfortable. I'm getting some new gloves in a few weeks so I'll use those in my road car and use the gloves from that for racing, as they've got a bit more padding on them, so hopefully that will solve both problems.

And that brings me to the final issue. Buttons. I knew going in that I was going to really miss the DFP's massive array of buttons (especially as I had shifted functions on most of them too!). Sadly I think I'm going to have to give up TeamSpeak so that I can have the two most important functions (look behind and flash lights) on the wheel. Unless I can find somewhere else to mount it, the shifter unit is too far away to reach easily for anything other than obscure functions (pit in, change GTR2xD mode etc) when racing. I've always used the shifter knob to control the pit limiter, and continue to do so although for some reason the Logitech Profiler cannot map the knob's functions. ???

I've also noticed that you can accidently lock the knob in the 'upshift' position if you press down on it slightly when pulling back. I was using it for 'look behind' last night and you can imagine that I wasn't too impressed with it sticking there! ::) :laugh:

All in all a reasonable first test, but lots more work to be done if I wasn't to race with it...

Well, finaly something more than just "it's much better than DFP...". These are the practical problems I'm afraid of.  >:(  I'd be interested in your progress of getting used to it, Dave.  :)
I plan to change the wheel in the soonish (is that a word?  ;D ) future and I'd like to go for all over quality and feel, not just the price.  ;)  To be honest, I was eyeing it already and I think I could buy it for the pedals alone. It bothers me to have 3 pedals as I have enough footwork with 2  ::)  but the quality is unmatched by anything I saw. Is it possible to detach a pedal for clutch or brake, to have 2 only?  :(
I know, I know, I'll be stoned to death by G25 users now...  :P 

TT

Not officially, though you could unscrew the actually pedal 'face'. If you were really determined you could saw the arm off too. :o

G25...You don't need a look behind. I find the two most important buttons (other than shift up/down) are look left and right. So I've assigned them to the red nipples on the wheel and if you press both of them at the same time you get look behind anyway (built in feature of all the ISI games). As for lights being important not really, if you don't flash not really a big deal. Shame you can't fit the shifter on though as the buttons are ok for anything you need to press whilst you're on a straight (i.e. don't need them in the heat of the moment).

I also enjoy this series, but I just didn't want to numb myself going round Adria again. I'll definately return in the Vette for Spa.

P.S. Would love to see Turkey(Istanbul) on the calendar if there is a GTR2 version of it. That still rates as one of the best newly built circuits to date imho. A great array of corners, fast and slow, wide and straights with lots of overtaking opportunities.

Very close qual indeed and really enjoyable. Absolutely chuffed to get a blistering lap in the MC12 only a couple of tenths from pole!
Wasn't so close in the race though and Zac managed to pull away while I pestered Gazza. Apologies, because in the end I gave you a tap on the rear corner on the exit of chicane 2. I dont know how it happened because it was in an acclerating zone and not a braking zone. Sorry  ???

Rest of the race was a challenge trying to catch back up and eventually had a great dice with ginsters.


Didn't have a clue what you were up to m8! I was suffering a case of target fixation after following you and when you went off at final curve I followed you straight into the gravel LMAO. After getting out first I let you through so we could continue our battle, but then you slowed and let me back through again :/  Anyway the race was a blast and it was over before I knew it, which is always a sign of a busy race, although Adria is jyust like cycling a bike around the sitting room for 40 mins!

Glad to have this place behind now though and move onto a real racing track with some fast flowing corners and lots of overtaking through the bus stop and La Source ;) ;D

Grats to Zacari in the flying Lister!

I must have been at the wrong track then - 'cos I raced the Cup race at Donnington National on Monday?

TC

Well it's alright for you, you hardly ever get lapped! :laugh:

I have got the shifter fitted, it's just a fraction too far away to reach for anything in the heat of battle.

I wonder if I could map the clutch pedal to TeamSpeak...

Lol, that's the best description I heard ever!  ;D

TT

I heard it somewhere before, think it was Emerson Fittipaldi describing racing at Monaco  :D

What can one write if everything's already written?  ;D

Had zero practice since upper endurance race, joined practice server an hour before the race itself and... went to have my dinner. Then had some sort of naive "let's fix the setup from the last race" thingie sessions which lasted right into the quali session (experimental setup minus fuel=quali setup, giggle) but that made it even more unstable. Finally I gave up, realising med-med is probably not the way to do the quali anyway so on with soft-soft combo, guesstimating correct tyre pressure and did a 1.10.5, wondering where did that time come from since it was a 3 mistakes lap. ??? ::)  ;D No idea, but who cares. Looking at the quali times after the race made me wonder even more, I guess no one did a clean lap. Bah, nevermind, what matters was a close quali, don't you just love that when it happens?  ;D

Race started in a classic setting with TT in front of me. This time I was determined I shall not punt him off in opening stages and that, of course, amounted to a certain MJ all over my diffuser... and then some.  ;D Don't you dare to report that contact MJ, wasn't your fault, I've reacted to Baracus/FreQ/TT cut throat thing that they had in T1, altering my braking point and entry line so you had nowhere to go. Just a racing stuff, forget it. ;)

Following the colourful snake around the track gave me a headache, to hell with those lambo engine noises, it was insane! Oh well, at least it remind me I have a dentist appointment end of this week. ;D

Anyway, as the race progressed I thought to myself "OK, no mistake - no pass. Good. So let's not make one, shall we?" Was sure the order in front (P2-P6, I was running 7th at the time... I think) was not the correct one, had a feeling Baracus was faster then Mo and Gazza were but I was hoping they'll be able to stick to it and not make any mistakes. Reasoning was simple - I was sure all the cars in front of me were more or less faster when running in clean air, hence it was a must they stay stuck to each other in order for me to keep up, planning to go medieval on them in last 10 laps when their front softs go bye-bye. My race pace in last stages confirmed my suspicions, was running same times as in opening stages. ;)

Then Mo and Gazza had an off and rest of us all went by (I went "don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't!" when comming round the corner and seeing Gazza moving towards the track from the run off area, giggle.), Baracus started to pull off, TT finally made it past FreQ (I caught myself several times not really driving the car but watching you guys race. "Stop it, concentrate!" Great fun though.) and the above mentioned snake started to go from a viperish fat animal into looong colourful mamba stuff. Baracus, TT and FreQ pulled in some 5+ seconds lead (I think it got to 9-10 seconds before their tyres went to meet their maker) while...

I had MJ behind me, fighting to find a way around my lambo. Since Baracus/TTFreQ went away I had to adapt my line in T1, T2 and the penultimate corner with a slow entry fast exit stuff to prevent pursuers catching me down the (generously said) straights which I suspect lead to MJ's unfortunate off, I'm pretty sure you were only able to go on full throttle a bit later then usual, giving you an unstable/unpredictable car and that lead to, well, you know...

Then that deep throbbing sound of V8 came to my rear in form of a certain Gingsters. Watching his lines in the mirror gave me confidence, was immediately clear where his weak and strong points were and so I've adapted my lines once again. :)

Had a bit of a breather when Mo caught up with Gingsters and pulled up a bit of a margin while they did their thing, relaxed a bit, then came the later stages of the race. I could see Bara/TT/FreQ trio in front and realised I'm catching them... well... kind of, but I knew the race will be too short to do any serious damage to their lead, so I simply consolidated on my P5 and waited for the end (while still hoping FreQ will have a hick-up and watching Mo and Gingsters swapping places in my mirrors. ;D )

Anyway, I'm pleased, good result (albeit not with all the aliens and aliens-soon-to-be around), running high 11s/low 12s with a car on diffuser isn't so bad.

Hey, I think it was my first... spinless race, OK, had some late brakings but otherwise no serious mistakes and it showed... Tarzan happy.. :D

BTW, where's that race lap times thingie?

P.S. This track isn't so bad, I suspect a single make/slow cars race must be a blast. And now... grandmother of them all, university of racing, the mighty Spa. The pinnacle of the season awaits us, gentlemen. Can't wait. :)

It was Piquet and the quote was "helicopter in the living room" ;)

Soft fronts? Wouldn't dream of it. I had the most oversteary setup ever and even so my front meds were a bit more worn than my rear meds.  ;)
I did have soft/med combo in the test race at Adria and only Backo's too early, too aggressive driving enabled me to win a 2nd place as my fronts were into 20s.  :(
Was "great fun watching you push hard in the mirrors, worth the entrance fee alone  :) " as SBG said and watching Backos car dancing around on worn tyres was :D

TT

Indeed, I meant a week ago yesterday, yesterday :laugh:


Back briefly to the G25 discussion, I have Teamspeek and look behind mapped to the red buttons, and brake bias mapped to the paddle shifters, perhapse it's worth trying to use the stick shift for gears so you've got 4 buttons available on the wheel?

I use teamspeak with voice activation...just gets a bit annoying for my teamies when I have a coughing fit or start cursing when i fall off the road ;D