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Practice 1:	20:10	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:20	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.6.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Dry
Track: UKGTR Spa 2004 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2)
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: no mandatory stop

Server: UKGTR Lower Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=59). Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and track pack (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

Looking forward to getting back into this again.

See you all tomorrow night

Colin

I will be here for this one. Stupidly I had thought it was upper sprint for some reason tonight. I don't even have a set up of any note yet.   Also is it fair to allow the old lap records to stand? It's just that this track is different and times are not achievable.

Yeeee-haw, looking forward to this one a lot.

I made this point before and I 100% agree with you, the reason given before was an admin difficulty one as to why they dont have different records for the '03, '04, ukgtr '03 and ukgtr '04 track versions.

I should be there tonight, though I'm not expecting much from the TVR round this place.

Just me then, not looking forward to this one :(

I used to like the track but it just feels too long and too wide at times, i cant get any kind of rythym going.

You don't like Spa?! You don't drive a Ferrari do you?

Gratz to winners, not good race for me again....must learn faster! ;D

Hope I did'nt get in anyones way, roll on Hockenheim ;)

Well done all.

Congrats to Baracus and Jeffrey for your class wins  ;)
Fantastic race Dave, Simon and Ossie  :clap: :notworthy:
great fights and amazing driving guys  :)

Cheers

really fun racing but obviously pretty $%^ :censored:&*()£ annoyed  >:(

happy with quali and getting 3rd! mixing it with the big names! and Roadrunner put in a great last minute lap!  ;)

Race started well...with some great racing with teamie Baracus! I just got past to 2nd and caught Roadrunner, he soon made a mistake and i slipped past into 1st  ;D to run wide 4 corners later and handing back the position  :( loollll it was fun!!!! Then lap after lap i kept trying to keep up with RR wihile Baracus sat on my tail.......was very intense!!!! :)

With a slight mistake by RR me and Baracus slipped past and I think I led for about 2 laps before meeting an unnamed driver sitting on the second apex of Pouhon (why not press esc?????? in such a dangerous position  :o and a broken car???  :-\) so thats ruined my chance completely of a podium with T-boning him.....i think i cried a little.... :'(....lol in frustration.....

...anyhooo limped back to the pits keeping out of people's way and took 3mins to repair, got going again in 22nd coming out 3 odd secs in front of Ruskus who was 8th leading GTC....and then got disco'd anyway!!!  :cursing:

hope it didn't disco in your way Ruskus.....i'm planning on sueing BT for costing me two possible podiums two nights running!!!! looolll

 :( put a wheel on the black ice at Blanchimont and the car just snapped sideways, splitter was fubar and car was just washing out on every corner. One to forget.

Certainly an eventful race!

I had no practice and only set the car up in about 30mins for both set ups. It did not feel too bad in the short time I had and I was confident my car would come good as the race progressed.

After Eau Rouge of the first lap I could only watch the cars ahead sail away. Right from the off Mark Jonzo was hot on my heels. Made slight in roads into the gap between me and Adam Parle but was more concerned with Mark right on my bum leaving me no time to breathe.

Truetom joined the battle and it bought me time as Mark was worried about TT behind him and this allowed me to pull away until for no reason I stupidly ran wide allowing the gap to close back to nothing.

I was looking in my mirrors and now Truetom was behind. I thought I had good enough gap before Eau rouge and thought I did a good job of the corner. Next thing I looked in mirrors and TT was catching going far faster than me and left me for dead making the pass before the next corner.

Mark was back on my tail and my car was feeling more sluggish as the race went. My tyres were already shot and I was getting big understeer. The car just felt too heavy and lost all of it's agility.

After a wee incident at the bus stop I found myself with space again, only to shoot myself in the foot yet again and make another mistake only to watch Paul Richards sail past this time.

Colin Hines was soon hounding me and did so for a few laps. I managed to get away and make it to the end in 6th.

I really struggled tonight. Although I never had enough time for a good set up the car felt really blunted with the 30KG added. The car just would not turn in and felt horrible. After about 15 minutes every trip through Eau Rouge was scary. Understeer then oversteer. Not very nice at 140MPH.

I really don't think I could have fought more time out the car tonight, just try and cut out some of the stupid mistakes I was making.

Well done to class winners Ruskus and Baracus.

Well done everyone else I raced, some nice bits of action there

Well it took a good chunk of qualifying but I finally strung together a decent lap - although it was slower than I hit in praccy.  Well happy to start in 4th.

The pace lap was a little slow  ;), but pretty good for a first attempt, but with it being such a long lap a bit more speed in the straight would have been useful!  I'd rather have slow and steady over fast and inconsistent.  Good job.

On the first lap I got a nice slipstream to get close to Purdie but bottled it (probably just good sense for once) as I was still a way behind and on cold brakes.  That would be the closest I got to the fron three until Purdie tangled with a backmarker and lost the front wing (unlucky mate).  With the ballast on board Kerr slowly dropped back, so for most of the race I was hot-lapping.  Still - another massively consistent race is really pleasing.  Think I had one bad lap when I had a big moment at Eau Rouge, and then missed the brake point for the Bus-Stop and got a cut warning whilst getting back on track.

Not a particularly enthralling race, but a good one for me.

Great drives from all ofthe Legends, (unlucky MJ - you should have placed higher) - good team performance!

Really looking forward to the enduro now - should be good fun.

Wow that was intense. Was happy wo get pole in GTC, right infront of BACKO and Paul968.

I had a supersuper stable setup for this race, but that made it a bit slow through Eau Rouge. So BACKO immediatly opened the attack on me after the Kemmel straight and overtook me at Les Combes. Half a lap later he went wide at Pouhon and I got first in class back. Then I had Paul behind me, and that stayed like that the whole race. He was quicker in the first part of the track, but I was a bit quicker in sector 2 and 3, giving me just enough breathingspace to lose some at Eau Rouge.

When Purdie disco'd I got 9th (you were far enough infront for me to go around safely and warn others at Team Speak  :)). Later MJ spun and I took his place. He got behind Paul and took a few laps before he overtook him. Then he was gaining fast on me and I wanted to just let him pass, but that was hard as I didn't want too lose time on Paul. So in the end he had to work for the pass but he did fine  :D.

Grats Bara, it looked like fun battle in GT2 with a long train of cars ;D

Real bad luck Purds, thats a shame  :'(

Had another corking nights racing with you guys  8)

Qually battle was great, was very happy sitting 2nd and 3rd for a long while then a gaggle of sods all jumped me and i dropped to 6th, but still quite happy as knew race setup was good.

..and what a race! it was so flipping intense, lap after lap of pure adrenalin racing  8) I had superb battles with Brian Kerr, TT and Paul Richards for something like half an hour in the top 6 :fencing:
Unfortunately it all came to an end when i got a bit caught out by Brian changing his attack angle to the Bus stop, i thought he was taking it wide and went inside but we rubbed door handles and the car went into a half spin while Brian was able to continue forward  :'(  it was just enough to make me lose that intense concentration and i braked a tad later at La source only for the car to touch the marbles and do the worlds slowest slow motion slide into the armco where it got stuck :taz:
I sat there in utter disbelief/frustration as 5 cars steamed past me after all that hard work  :'(
Finally got it back onto the grippier surface and sped after Paul968 and Jeff in their fast moving GTC's. It took me a few laps to get close enough to Paul and then i slip streamed him out of Eau rouge and chased Jeff for another lap, just about getting past his wide Mosler at flat out 6th gear approach to Blanchimont  :o...i had to clench buttocks and hope we both got around side by side almost !...we did  ;D
So i got back to 8th place and was just a couple of secs behind the front pack again when the race ended.

Cracking stuff, congrats to all the hard charging, clean racers :thumbup1: and great result for teamies Adam and TT, just a shame i didnt finish with them in the top 5 as i was earlier. :thumbup2:

Top win again mr Baracus  :notworthy:

ps...i also forgot to change my race setup and had an hours worth of fuel onboard.....D'oh ! :clown:

I had no idea what actually happened at the bus stop Mark. I just felt a little bump and you were gone. Sorry if I played any part in it.

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Spa LS 16-10-2007/index.html)

Great race again that, very very enjoyable  ;D

Did a pb in qualli, 1/1000 quicker  ::) than my previous...still only put me 22nd though.

Race went superb...I reckon it was my best performance consistency wise since joining here...I'nt it good when you stay on track...new experience for me ;D....Had a great battle trying to keep a big black mossler behind for a few laps (sorry not sure who it was...wouldn't dare hit my 'look behind' for fear of cocking up as usual), great racing though.

Got up to 17th overall through folk falling off the road and was holding it just from Edam Speed on the last lap...he had been hauling me in at over a sec a lap and was only 1 sec behind aproaching the bus stop on the last lap....when my FPS went to hell and I basically stopped letting both Edam and teamie Munkez through....gutted.

Ah well, thats on line racing I supose :'(

Grats to winners and podiums....bring on the Viper  :D

Also what I noticed tonight is 30KG ballast is too much for me. Although I understand the reason for it I can't compete against guys who have similar ability and I'm +30KG and they are -20KG. Most of the field seemed to be -20KG tonight.

Totally forgot Paul also overtook me at some time   ::). Can't even remember how he did it :-[.


I had that problem in the Upper endurance race, I was powerless and couldn't do anything. Unable to attack, outbrake, outaccelerate etc.
I also understand the weightsystem, but I don't like the -20kg at all. Around 80% of the drivers had -20 kg, which seems useless to me  :-\

Replay (https://replay.simracing.org.uk/ukgtr/UKGTR%20Spa-Francorchamps%20-%20Lower%20Sprint%20071016.zip) available, I'm sure by now you've all worked out the results are above and so is the link to the league table ;)

Only an idiot would do that ...... no, I'm not going to tell you how much fuel I finished with ..... :stupid:

I am blind, where is it? :-[

hehe, i must have had extra ballast in the form of 20minutes too much fuel onboard  ::) :-[  I was a sitting duck for the Ferraris for the first half of the race up through Eau Rouge and Kemmel  :(

Totally no fault of yours Brian at bus stop :angel:, i think my car only spun as i had inside wheels on the kerb and the side scrape was enough to flick it around.

Had a good battle with Gizmo, Priberio for a long time, but with same wing setting as me Gizmo was still a little faster on the straights somehow and it was impossible to pass without a mistake. He didn't oblige seemingly driving much smoother with his G25 now. With 8 minutes to go my soft fronts went to pot and that was that, was barely drivable. It was dire with 20+ wear onwards eventually finishing just below 30 wear (when the little man tells you to change them). Spoiled a good, fight, but I was half expecting it after opting to not run mediums on the front. Running softs at least gave me a chance to fight with them for most of the race.

Then at the end going through bus stop FPS went down very low as finishers were doing dougnuts a mile away at Eau Rouge. Then come to La Source and it was literally undriveable diong about 0.5fps, eventually subsiding as people stopped doughnuts and I could drive again to finish. Unfortunately by that time I had lost a place with my car probably freezing on track. Jeff told me afterwards that is probably "Simple Debris Collisions" bug, which I didn't know about, so I will have that turned on from now on.

P.S. -20kg did me fook all good.

Serious?

Look under Series, in this case U6LS (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=59)

Don't know what U stands for, but rest is Season 6, Lower Sprint

Firstly, sorry to Jan Duijs for the start - I got a moment's lag, and it slowed down the release of the rev-limiter.. Sorry :(

Then I was chasing Darren's splintery wooden ass for quite a few laps. Backo ran wide at Pouhon, but it wasn't long before he was in front of me again and I was chasing two splintery wooden asses ;) Meanwhile Ossie in the the gruesome greenie had chucked it sideways into the Bus Stop, and I nearly went off from laughing so hard :D :D How you avioded me and Backo - was a miracle  ;D

Carried on for a few laps with Jan in hot pursuit, then I got distracted when the phone started ringing. The inevitable was a spin at the top of Eau Rouge, and dropping loads of places. Rejoined behind Madd RIP and chased him for a few laps, driving erratically as I was still distracted and had busted up front end aero. Then Dan Minton spun at Bus Stop, we briefly touched (sorry) and then I chased him for a few laps, although he was a lap down on me at this point. Madd RIP fell off a few laps later, and then after a while so did Dan. This left me chasing Psuedo, although it looked like I wasn't going to make it past him before the end. Munkez briefly joined the fray, after going wide at Pouhon, but slid wide at La Source, letting me past to chase down Psuedo.

On the final lap, Psuedo had a 'low framerate issue' at Stavelot and went off into the barriers, and moments later, I found Shark asleep at La Source - sorry about robbing you of that place so close to the end.. ??? :(

Exactly the same thing here :'( cost me two places...so does turning on 'simple debris' cure this? coz it's happened frequently recently.

It might manage to make the season championship table a bit more compressed but in terms of close action at the front, it does not always help.

I've benefited in other classes. Suffer a disco and you are last and have light car next race.

In this class I have missed a race already this season but my ballast carries over from two other positive results.

I'm just trying to add up why so few drivers actually have positive ballast of any note, apart from me and you.

I know how to get there from the homepage, I just thought there was a link to that page under the results in the forum. That's the one I couldn't find, probably as it isn't there  :P ;D.


Yes it will. Having it turned off will make the game calculate exactly how every bit of debri flies off the car. And as people like to finish with a bang after the finish, it will overload your PC. No matter what kind of PC you have, it will always cause HUGE FPS drops.

Today at 09:01:47 PM - Spa - UKGTR Season 6 Lower Sprint up at top...i think it`s the UKGTR S6 you will be refering to?....seems to land me at championship table  ;D

Haha indeed, that's the one. In all these years I never knew that  :-[. Thanks!

Same issue as Pseudo, sudden unplayable low frame rate on my 200fps machine. I can assure you I wasn't asleep I was screaming at the bloody thing. ;D ;D

Would it be a good idea to ask drivers not to do donuts in future and to quit as soon as possible after finishing?

I sometimes get slight freezing when people quit. Maybe just return to pits if it's causing people issues

If switching ON simple debris collisions works then I'm not fussed.

Rather pleased to end up 2nd, given that my record at Spa isn't that hot (I think the slower tracks suit my style more). Started 4th in class behind Jeff, Backo and Darren (who seems to really thrive at Spa  :thumbup1:). I got a run past Darren after Eau rouge early on and Backo went wide at Pouhon, so that left me chasing JR. As he says, I was quicker through ER but struggling in the middle, and after a while I got a good enough run to pass him into les combes. I wasn't really comfortable though, as I knew he was really quick at Spa and to put it bluntly, I wasn't. I think my subconcious gave the place back in the end, running wide on the exit of les combes, and after that I was happy to settle into 2nd. I hoped his tyres would go off before mine, but I think we both had problems at the same time (as did the chasing cars, who never seemed to close the 2 second gap). After Mark spun I had him chasing for a while, but I wasn't going to fight a GT2 at Spa in a GTC for long and he was past with a few laps left. Then I was aware that Backo was closing in in the final minutes, but he must have been pushing hard because he suddenly dropped back to -8 secs, leaving me to finish a safe 2 secs behind JR. Congrats to him for a good drive with more ballast and to Baracus for the GT2 win. Looking forward now to Hock and beyond, as I won't be there on Sunday as I'll be at the Ring all weekend. Have fun  :)

Sorry, that is what I meant, not quitting the game.

A very lucky result for me - this race should have been Purdie's no doubt. He was like greased lightning through Eau Rouge every time!!

Was a really intense first few laps (9 or 10 laps) with a great 3-way battle. In the end I think my tyres were behaving very well for the race length and I had confidence that I could keep up my pace, but it wasn't genuinely fast enough to win.

I'm somewhat surprised to find myself in the lead of the GT2 standings now! No pressure :o

EDIT: I didnt realise donuts would cause an issue for people especially if were not on the same "field of view" at the time... so sorry!! I wont do that again! - but it was only my 2nd GTR win so I was a bit high :-)

I've never ever had the stuttering due to doughnuts at the end of races as bad as last night. I can always tell during a race when someone has spun anywhere on the circuit because there is a stuttering, but it's always been shortlived and easily driveable, but last night it went down to very low fps for a good 10 seconds (as in so slow that it was like a slideshow). I dunno what was different about last night to make it do this, but if turning on simple debris collisions works then good enough for me.

I notice that Simple Debris Collisions is not an option in RACE 07, it's already enabled by default in the plr file so they know there is a flaw there I guess.

U = UKGTR (and L is UKGTL). JR, the link is at the top right of every forum page, just left of the recent block...

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If you look at the championship tables you'll see that there have been only a very limited number of regular drivers on the podium in either class.

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Long may the doughnuts continue! It does make me laugh when people insist that they machines are super uberninjascopic that they 'can' turn on all possible options without any consequences. It was 5+ years before anyone had a machine powerful enough to run GPL flat out and GTR2 is a lot more demanding than GPL ever was...

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Excellent race for me. In qualifying I cocked my first flying lap up by running wide at Blanchimont and having the lap time cancelled, especially annoying as I'd spent the outlap really working hard on getting the tyres up to temperature. So I did a banker lap, getting a perfectly respectable low 2:24, then threw caution to the wind and did a banzai final flying lap, knowing that the tyres were past their best but trusting the front end to stick in the critical exit of Stavelot and then into the Bus Stop, netting myself a PB lap which was only two tenths of breaking into the 22s.

I tried a bit of an experiment last night, setting up the clutch pedal to operate Team Speak. The theory was that it would force me to only talk in areas of the track where I have concentration to spare. I think it worked - though I didn't know at the time whether the result would actually be me going off with my left foot on the wrong pedal. :laugh:

I thought the pace lap was excellent, plenty of opportunity to work my tyres up to nearly 60. Only blemish was Madd leaving a huge gap in front of him on the limiter - we must've given away several seconds to the cars in front for no good reason. :-\

Race got underway and the cars in front were pulling away already so I just settled down for a few laps to concentrate on getting the tyres and brakes completely up to temperature without scrubbing them too hard. Both RVS Moslers were kind enough to chuck themselves off the road for me. :laugh: Shark soon overhauld Picnic's lovely bubbly Aero 8 and I knew he was on softs so I pushed hard knowing that if I could keep the gap for long enough for his fronts to go off I'd be okay.

I managed to sneak past Ossie for a few corners after he got stuck behind a somewhat recalcitrant lapped M3, but the Z was no match for the M3's sheer grunt and he soon got back past. Ossie obvously went to the same school of M3 driving as Adam Parle, throwing the car sideways into every corner, locking brakes, dipping wheels off and generally failing to look after the tyres at all - in short, overdriving. ::) PRibeiro in the meantime had snuck up behind and made short work of getting by both of us, his 996 being much, much faster down the Kemmel straight. Shark attacked hard for a few laps but I held firm until his fronts melted and I was able to start pulling away again.

Then I went back to the slower Radicals in Race '07 for a few minutes. :D

OY!  I'm a much more refined driver than I was in S4 thankyou (I hope I am anyway ....) !

Well maybe if Simbin had labelled certain in game options as horrendous FPS causing bugs in the game menus we'd know which options we could and couldn't run. ::) God forbid getting a bit of software and using the available software options. ::) It's the same old story, lack of testing, lack of testing, lack of testing. It's the same in every bit of software on the planet, otherwise we wouldn't even know the terms patch and service pack. :laugh:

Even better - something in the 'manual' which actually explains what some functions do, rather than something like "Simple Debris Collisions - select this option to enable simple debris collisions".

This sort of thing seems to be becoming the 'norm' for manuals - not just for games either. Dammit! I want to know what it actually *DOES*. ::)

If you want to know if it works Simon, go to a public server, enough crashing and donuts, even during the race  :P

Having this turned off will make the game calculate exactly how a piece of debri falls off and behaves. In GTR2 there is no good physicssoftware for pieces of debri (like ragdollphysics etc.). So when people crash and pieces fly around, the game calculates every small piece, how it bounces etc. This overloads any PC, as GTR2 is already very demanding. So the only option is to have "Simple Debri Collision" turned ON!

Sorry, Jeff - I do know what SDC does, I was just moaning about the general state of instruction manuals telling you how to enable things, rather than telling you what they do..

It's not just manuals. The code I currently have the misfortune to be working on is full of stuff with comments like:Thanks. I could never have worked out what it did without that comment. ::)

Really enjoyed that last night! I am not very confident at all round Spa so it was a case of damage limitation. Qualifying went well set a PB in my first flying lap and thought I could go faster. Ended up just falling short of that lap the rest of the session while everyone else was improving and I dropped down to 8th.

Race start went ok, Colin was pressuring me the entire first 30 mins while we were chasing the 3 car battle of Brian, TT and MJ. They seemed to be using their tyres a bit while  :fencing: so just tried to keep a steady pace and conserve a bit. Got close to MJ a couple of times but not enough to make a move but was happy to sit behind and then push in the later stages. MJ then touched the side of Brian into Bus Stop and me and Colin both got by. Was expecting to see you come back up in the mirrors and sorry to hear you got stuck on the barrier. TT was dissappearing into the distance and I started to push and close in on Brian. He then had a bit of a slide in Eau Rouge, caught it well but lost lots of momentum and I was able to pass down the straight. I pushed hard to chase TT which opened up a little gap to Brain and Colin but Rears began to go off a bit and wasn't going to catch TT so eased a little to bring it home 5th.

Congrats to Bara, Ruskus and the other podium finishers and thanks to TT, Brian, Colin and MJ for a cracking clean battle.

Amazing race last night for me!!! :o I really enjoyed  it. ;D Qualified like 11'th and finished race same 11'th.After start  I had more speed after Eau rouge and I past Ruskus,but in same lap came my mistake,I went wide ,happy to stay half car on tarmac.I lost 3 or 4 positions.After that I had nice racing with Daren with Morgan same like me.Close and nice race mate!!! ;)Now I'm looking forward for enduro race!!! ;D Congratulation top 3 each class! :thumbup1:

Enjoyed that too Paul. I was never fast enough at any point to get by you. I decided to sit and gain a decent pace and hope for a mistake, but you drove a good race and that never happened. Any mistakes I made were through Aue Rouge but apart from that I drove okay. Put some pressure on Brian in the closing stages as I think his tyres were going. Didn't want to be forceful so sat back waiting. In the end I was never going to get passed without a mistake being made.

Congratulations to Bara and Jeff for class wins.

Hell yes. It's the same where I work. We write the software and the guy that writes the manual has no idea what it does so you get "Enable LTI voice compression" and you can gaurantee when you see the manual all it says is "tick this option to enable LTI voice compression". You can tell him till you're blue in the face what it does and how it works, but it's in one ear and out the other.

Really the only people that can write decent manuals are the people that write the software but a) they're too busy writing the software, b) aren't the best at writing and presenting information in a document (mainly (a) I would point out!)

Good race.Very high standard.Had some good fights with Edam and Darren.Darren defended his position like a lion,couple of times side by side,he closed the door in Malmedy when i tried a desparate pass,we touched but nothing serious.We finished 0.2 sec apart.
Another enjoyable night,thx guys.Btw.We need more tracks like Spa, Road America is a good one or Mugello.


Jan

I think everyone likes spa, it has a bit of everything and has a nice flow.

Hoorah, although I don't like the new bus stop. Something not right about that corner, it's got a horrible flow to it especially compared to the rest of the circuit which has such fabulous flow.

I don't really like it that much. Parts of it are okay but Stavelot is a horrid corner where the tiniest mistake can cost a whole second of lap time, and the whole thing is far too long which gets dull very quickly if you're not actually in direct contact with anyone.

You don't like Spa that much but you like Adria?

That's like saying you'd pass up on Nelly Furtado for Pat Butcher off Eastenders.

 :lol:

Sleeping with Pat Butcher is very similar to a boxing match, a large heavy weight partner, manly and butch, going to give you a pounding and maybe knock you out!

Spa-Francorchamp:
(http://www.forca.ca/images/imgFamePopupFurtado.jpg)
Nelly Furtardo:
(http://www.mini-ardenne.be/mini/Circuit_de_Spa-Francorchamp.jpg)

Adria:
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/900000/images/_903679_pat_150.jpg)
Pat Butcher:
(http://www.dinamoto.it/DINAMOTO/on-line%20papers/Adria/01_pista_Adria.gif)

Isn't that 2nd track Brno  :-\

Indeed.

LOL, good spot, stupid Google Images, can't trust anyone nowadays! ;D
Is that better? :laugh:

Better, but not perfect - it's not a photo  :-*

I am sorry about that, but you guys arrived a second after i landed there. I didnt see anyone in the mirror beforehand so i was shocked to see you guys arrive. I'f i'd known you were coming i would have jumped straight out, but decided to try and carry on, thinking i had a gap and that i thought i had 4 wheels attached.

your right your car was in one piece....i was venting my frustration a little but tbh should never do that  :-[

i know it was a mistake and i hope your raring to go for the next round!  :D

Nice pic of Nelly by the way Simon. I noticed nobody questioned my opinion, she is stunning.

i would actually turn down racing on here for a few laps of Nelly though.

hahaha, BUT pat butcher looks so so tempting!  :1eye: :wheelchair:

Lol, "once you go grey, you know it's the way" ......

Puurds your a sick, sick man  :laugh:

Spa is a fantastic track, pure flowing movement, love it. I'm not a fan of the silly little twisty go-kart tracks like Adria and Sugo. Their alright in an elise/cup car but too much aggro in a GT1 or GT2.

We should try a couple more flowing tracks like the american circuits, Road America, Road atlanta etc.

Like Indianapolis? The 500 circuit that's just a big oval?  :yawn:

I am with you with Road America and Road Atlanta though, been round them on forza, decent tracks but don't stand up to the nordschleife. ;D

i've just spoken to some of the group C guys who raced at Spa with the new Bus Stop last weekend.. ???..http://www.groupcracing.com/meets/11 (http://www.groupcracing.com/meets/11)

.....they said it ruins the flow completely and after the rest of the track it feels like your standing still! such a shame it ruins the flow.  :(

Also the times of 2.11 are about 4/5 secs quicker the GT1's did this year....i thought it would be quicker but through the new bus stop in a turbo car with an old gear box (no sequential like the GT1s) i imagine you lose literally seconds.  :-\