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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (32 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Dijon-Prenois (Short)
Cars allowed: Corvette, Lotus Elan, Jaguar E-Type
Time of Day Setting: 08:00
Start: STANDING

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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I'll have to miss out on this one (great circuit  :'()
My firm's sending me to Dubai for a week  ;D
Hope I don't get sunburn't  :laugh:
Have a good'un

I too will be missing this one.  :( We're off to Jersey for the week on a "Turkey and Tinsel" trip - get our Christmas turkey in quick whilst they are still available.  >:D It'll be a good time to do all that last minute duty free shopping and see the sights without all the summer crowds - if they're not shut down till next year.  :thumbdown:

Bill

Watch out for the bird 'flu,Bill.
I'm going to Cyprus for a month from 21/11. Will there be anybody left in England?

TC

I should be racing, maybe I'll get some points in this one!

Normally I'd go for the elan, but if that's the '69 stingray corvette I'll have to drive that.
Which version of corvette is it?

Think its the older 1965 Vette Stingray in this race - it sounds beutiful, but corners like turnip - unless you can use all that power to get the back end out to help around the bends - no mean feat  :P

The 65 Vette is a pleasure to drive .... until you run out of rubber at the back.  I ran with it at the skin-test, but on a short track with lots of corners it was a proper workout, fighting the car all day long.

That said I'm very tempted to race with it at Dijon, the long sweeping bends will be good fun.

Is it an open choice on the E-type?  I know there's a massive performance difference between the "normal" and "lightweight" versions.

I suppose the '65 'vette is the box-shaped one. In that case I'll be driving the Elan.

No, it's this one. Easy pick for me, Vette all the way:

(http://www.motorera.com/corvette/1960/1965/65green1.jpg)

Yep, that's the one I thought it was. I drove one for years in Gran Turismo, couldn't stand the thing. I just hope the Elan will be able to keep up with them!

Good Greif Tibs.....What shape 'boxes' do they have in your neck of the woods... :laugh:

Well it's box shaped compared to the other one:

(https://www.simracing.org.uk/downloads/images/watkins_track_layout.jpg)

They don't differ alot ;D

(http://www.exoticcarshare.com/images/69_Corvette/Corvette-69-Stingray-4.jpg)

Both pretty not-boxed-shaped to me ;D

(How on earth that women ever gonna fit in it beats me  :P)

Great cars!  I'm hopeless with the later one, but perhaps the 65 Vette is calling, although an opportunity to get the lwt E-type out where it's competitive shouldn't be sniffed at.

Yeah, avoid the standard E-type at all costs, it'll be at least a second slower (probably more) than the lightweight. 

Well in Gran Turismo (the first one) it did actually look like a box. That's the first time I've seen a picture of the real one.

That's cause those cars were build up with 4 pixels:
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 ;D

That looks almost exactly like it!  ;D

Yes any E-Type. I recommend you use the faster one though as the slower one will be a bit off the pace of the Vette and Elan here.

I was just double checking, I'm planning on Vetting at the moment ... a few praccy laps may change my mind though.

I'll see what I can do setupwise. I feel it's my duty to make more people love muscle cars  ;)

I already love muscle cars .... I just can't drive 'em for love nor money....

Gonna go with the little Lotus on this one. DucFreak's soundpack makes it sound so good, I can't resist.

It's got some power for such a small thing, and it's pretty tight on the corners. It does like to lose it on the uphill chicane, tho.

Elan should be the fastest car here.

Then I'll definitely be driving it! I might not finish last for once!

Stupid question, but is Dijon-Prenois one of the standard tracks or do I need to download it?

That's no priority ;). But you are right, Elan can do 1:13, E-type 1:15 and Vette...dunno, 1:15 I think.

Hi all

I'm not sure if this is the right place to say what I want to say but I will do it anyway and if it is not I guess it will get deleted.

I have been racing online now for 18 months and although I am not quick I can usually keep the car on the track. A couple of weeks ago I enjoyed one of the best races ever when I was able to race in company with some usually very fast guys purely because my car was quicker. But being able to race with them, not hit them and spend lap after lap actually racing them was just great fun. I knew they were not going to hit me so I could concentrate on racing and not worry about what they were doing.

So I am going to point out what I think the differences between racing on a server like this and racing on a public server or the AI are.

Firstly you are not racing against anybody, you are racing with them. You are not racing so you can enjoy yourself. You are racing so everybody enjoys themselves.

Every other car on the track is being driven by somebody like you who wants exactly the same as you do. To have a good race and to have fun. Yes you want to be quick, yes you want to finish as high up as possible. But so does everybody else. Respect that.

Don't try and hold every corner, whatever the consequences. Accept that the guy beat you to it because he was quicker. Let him get by and follow him, try and get him back. On a server like this you are no longer just trying to beat the guy in front you are trying to race him and beat him. There is a huge difference.

See you all Thursday.

It's a standard track, the shorter of the two Dijon tracks.

Thanks. I'll have a practice with it tomorrow.

well said madmac, i hate contact, and try my hardest to not hit people, even if it means i loose a few seconds. its about racing the cars around u. not trying to win the race on the first lap.

gotta say, i had a great race on thursday everyone i raced seemed a fair player. im looking forward to dijon, and i think most people will be fast since its a standard track. so its gonna be close.

Hi

Looks like I am quickest in the Jag and I also have more chance of keeping it on the track than the Elan. Can't drive the Vette at all! Best is 1.17.9 at the moment but will get quicker when I play with the set up I hope.

Nice to see you here Lee. I think you will enjoy it here. Very fast racers and usually very clean racing. I race four times a week and this is the hardest of them all!

I HATE this track!

I can't drive the Corvette, the Jag handles like a brick, so I'll have to drive the Elan.

My best time so far with the Elan is 1:21. something.

Oh my, I've always liked Dijon. So flowing where most corners affect the following corner, and you really have to work at keeping the balance just right, it's lovely. Track is made for the Alfa. I spent a huuuuge amount of time, maybe 5 hours total over a period of two weeks or so, trying to get that 16 in the Alfa about a year ago. Failed at that, lost the bet I did it for, but still a great track. Have I said the word Alfa enough already? ;D

Two things are key.

1. Remembering your gas pedal is not an on/off control. Many places benfit from using 80-90% throttle instead of the ol' 100%->0%->100%.

2. Riding the curbs.

Sliding slows you down and is risky, even though it's fun  :D so try to keep it minimal. Only place it's any good is T1, for getting the Jag/Vette to turn, and even then it's a small slide. Going sideways proper is, sadly, no good. T3 you might want to briskly lift off the gas to get the car to turn, but that means you messed up the entry (which I frequently do). I suspect Elan doesn't want any sliding at all, though I haven't driven it here. T2 uphill where you're just switching from turning left to turning right is a place where it's easy to get a slide (& spin even) if on full throttle, but letting off completely slows you down. 80-90%, i.e. just lifting a little, is enough to maintain control.

As for the second point, here we, and perhaps especially I, need to be mindful of UKGTL rules regarding driving outside the track. Going for lap records entails getting the whole car outside the track (if we count the white lines as track boundries) at several places (T2, chicane first and middle part) and I'll try my best to keep two wheels inside at all times next thursday. This is at least true for the Alfa and I'd wager for the E-Type&Vette too. But especially at the chicane it's so very very easy to loose it if you go curb jumping proper, so I'll have to find a safer route, also in accordance with the rules, come thursday practice.

T3 you can stay away from the curbs completely, you can put two wheels on the curbing, or you can even put all wheels on or to the right of the curb. Not much difference in speed if you get it right, but the middle option is much easier to achieve. Even when doing that (right wheels over right curb) you still need to be very precise, because taking your outer wheels (your left wheels) against the curb midturn will push you away from the curb and make you go wide and have a crappy entry into T4, which means you'll either slow down a lot or have a crappy entry into T5-6-7 (chicane) as well, which means your chicane exit will suck too. At least, this is what will happen if you can't correct it at some point, and if you're being pressured from behind you might not be able to, very easy to get contact if the guy behind doesn't realize what you're up to.

Heh, so that means in worst case getting T3 entry/apex wrong means loosing time all the way to T8, second to last turn on top of the last hill. But really, I'm just dramatising that, you should be able to correct T3 error in T4 entry, but if that happens be mindful of someone trying to pass you on the left before the chicane. That chicane is a recipe for disaster, but very fun also.

Good guide Hammer, very useful.

The Elan doesn't really slide, but you need to be very careful with the throttle, with my setup if you go round T1 in 2nd, any throttle at all makes the car spin.

When you get to the section with downhill left - uphill right, releasing the throttle seems to be the best option, it does make the car slide though.

I have noticed the problem of staying on the track, also the cut detection doesn't work properly. Looks like this will be difficult for the moderators.

It shouldn't. People just need to respect the rules and obey them. Cutting on purpose alot of times will get you (in general) excluded!
With the Turagua race in the back of my head, where I saw loads of cutting, I'm also gonna keep a close on for this race.

I always try to stay on the track, but with a sliding Elan that might be difficult! If I overtake anyone by cutting the track (accidentally) I let them through.

I'll be driving very carefully for this one, especcially since I don't like rear-wheel-drive cars.

If that happens a few times it's okay  :), as long as there is no advantage gained.

Serious cutting needs to be reported. The moderators do not scan through the replay of every car on every lap, it's simply not possible, so they rely on driver cutting reports. Having some exclusions from cutting at a previous race quickly stops people driving outside the rules (if they are doing so).

I'll remember that. In the race at Turagua I got a stop/go for cutting the track. While two wheels were on the track.

If the track itself has cutting rules inside the UKGTL rules that's unfortunate, but ultimately we're happy for the track to provide the cut checking. Unfortunately most of the time the cut checking is inadequate not "too" adequate. :P

I can upload my Elan setup if you wanna try that out, Tib.

I can pin 2nd gear and accelerate in 3rd out of T1, and I'm not sliding into the uphill chicane off of the downhill turn.

The only place my setup has a hard time is when you bounce right over the hill, you have to be focused or you'll lose it (Although my recent experimenting may have eliminated this)

The only problem with my setup is, once/if you start to slide you won't be able to recover. I've tried to fix that, but if I do, the car loses all managability while racing.

Thanks, I've tried making my own but it just isn't controllable.

I'll upload it when I when I get home from work

I'll admit to a bit of sneaky pracci and first go in this Vette last night :). Glad to say its almost as much fun as its bigger brother and seems to be equiped with the same brakes made of cheese or something. Best of mid 15's so far.

Its gonna require real sensible stuff from Vette and Elan drivers to avoid some ugly contact. With that approach, this should be a blast  :)

Tib, go into the online setups and find the Dijon folder. My setup is named Dijon Elan MrBMW

If you find you're fishtailing, or having problems controlling the car with the throttle, just adjust the Power/Coast % to suit your needs, the suspension setup should be able to cater to any Power changes.

Thanks, I'll load that later. I've got a GTR2 race at 20:20.

are the E-types fixed for this race? They didnt work in the test race remember.

I think that is what the patch for the skin pack fixed. Standard cars work on the server because Alex and I have tried them.

Peter

They should be, if you have the latest skin pack patch. :D

Yep....if you downloaded skin pack 1.5 then you also need to download the patch available...if you have downloaded pack 1.5.1 then the patch is not required as the E-types have been fixed in it.

Well, I just can't drive those light cars. My best in Elite is 1.18.0 and in 65 Vette it's 1.16.6. Considering that Elite is supposed to be 2 seconds a lap faster, this is a huge difference. I just don't know where are all those seconds lost. I am coming from a GPL background, so the sliding around corner with Vette (or most of 76 cars) comes pretty naturally.

Ok,

1) It's an Elan, not an Elite.
2) That lap time is much faster than mine.
3) Have you tried the Jag?
4) Careful with the headlights this time!

The cars have totally different styles, if you are used to sliding the 'vette will be faster.

 :-\ Well, I've done some praccy and have got a setup that can....at a push give me a 1.14.9, but that's not cutting the corners too much, obviously a 13 is stonkingly quick but a much more 'aggressive'  :P line through some corners would have to be taken I think!

My bad, I drove elan, not elite.

As long as you drove the right one you'll be fine, the Elite is in a different class so it would be much slower than the 'vette, Elan and Jag.

I will be taking the Elan. At present doing mid 1.15's.

Well I have got slower! Same car, same set up but can now only do low 1.18's when I was doing high 1.17's! But at least I am consistant so hopefully it should all be okay!

You'll be 3 seconds a lap faster than me at the start then!

At the moment I can't get into the GTL lobby to join the server.

Same problem with the GTR2 server as well so guess it is a Simbin problem. Is there a way round it if it doesn't sort itself by race time?

im gonna have to miss this race  :( im moving house, so my wheel and stuff is all packed and im not gonna even try with the keyboard. thats against my rules!! so i should have the broadband connected by next thursday in the new place. its a pity coz dijon is an amazing track and i love the elan so was havin fun practicing. 

real life stuff is more important so i ll be there next week.

No there isn't I'm afraid. Direct IP is not reliable as a way of connecting to a server for everyone. There's still 3.5 hours to go so don't worry yet.

Hope server is up soon, off somewhere after work so won't be back till 7:30 ish

Looks to be working now.

Still not working for me. Nearly ten past eight so guess i wont be racing.

Really? I was just on the UKGTL practice server.

I can see you guys on the server on Remote Desktop (about 9 of you), but I can't get into the lobby either. :( Will keep trying for a bit.

I can't get in either! :(

me neither  :(

19 people have managed to connect so there is no point postponing. Us unfortunate souls unable to get into the lobby will have to sit this one out I'm afraid. Stupidly written multiplayer system!! Maybe they have changed the server and it's taking it's time filtering down the potential DNS changes to all the ISPs. Who knows. :(

Oh dear! or words similiar!?

Ok Simon, not your fault!

Dissapointed!, that track is great fun!?

See ya next time!

M.

 :-\

 :( All that fighting to be lose out 'cos I downshifted to quick into T1 a lap after avoiding Jeff's very slidey rear in chicane and spinning, had a couple of scary moments when Mike's car warped everywhere, and nearly got thrown off track when he warped directly in front of me, a terrific scrap with him and Jeff for all the race though.
There was however some dubious lapping and nearly Jeff and myself were taken out on a couple of occasions.
Grats to podium.

What a race!  Had pb in qually which put me into 4th.  Came off the clutch too quick and left a trail of rubber on the track and slotted myself into 9th.  Managed sneak my way back into 6th where I found myself for most of the race until I saw madd in the gravel.  Last lap an altercation occured between M Hammer, PRibeiro and Baracus and managed to cross the line in third.

That was a blast. ;D

Had a Ton of Fun that race, despite I was in such a low place.

I started in a bad place - my little Elan smack dab in the middle of Vettes everywhere! When the race started I couldn't even hear my own engine! I kept consistant and on the butts of the Legends Vette and Jag. That is untill the Vette got in front of me - and boy was that hard work trying not to let that Yank Tank slide into me and vice versa. I ended up trailing off a bit, then made an absolute bonehead error at the last turn sliding wide dinging my left front quarter panel. Damage didn't seem to affect the car to much, but I rejoined in 16th place. I had the American Flag of Syd Drake breathing down on me on the straight and then passed me before T1. I caught up to him after some fighting, but I couldn't avoid tapping him as his Vette was "Turning" and my Elan was "grazing the turn" on the last turn again. I slowed down to let him pass and lost another place to The Mooji speeding through in his blue Elan.

I spent the rest of the race basically just gaining 1 second on the person in front of me. I had the Leaders come through and lap me, and I suprised myself by keeping somewhat on pace with them for a couple laps. The end started to get exciting as I caught back up to The Mooji and was putting some pressure on. Wasn't enough to get past him tho, and I think I finished in 14th.

Fun race tho! But those Vettes need their own lane - they're a nightmare to be behind :(

That's a real shame indeed Madd. Exactly what you say, you fight so hard and be very patient all race, just to lose it in the end.
You did great avoiding my slippery car. I was too busy with keeping the car on the road to think about defending. So I was keeping an eye on the mirrors and sides, but during the corners I really had to focus it all on controlling my car as it was awefull halfway.

One backmarker was really terrible! Actually taking defensive lines and keeping us up for a few laps. Definatly gonna get a report!  >:(.

Mark and I overtook Sander (IIRC) quite funnily. I took the outside and he took the inside at the same time ;D. Must have been a surprise for Sander :).

Phew, that was hard - really had to work at that one. I've a feeling that my finishing position may have been accelerated due to some of the faster drivers not being able to join, but still happy with 7th (i think?).
Had a bad start off the grid - i wasn't moving hardly when it was green light time, and realised i had knocked the Elan into 2nd  :-\
Anyway, good but hectic first lap until i managed to tap someones rear end on the end of the first lap - i think it was a white e-type - i gave it a bit too much and was understeering out of the final turn, with someone right behind me - really sorry to whoever that was.
But, after that i had to work hard to get up the field - firstly with D Mirkovic (sp?), then caught up with Phil - he made me work and we had some excellent close racing, whilst working our way up the field swapping positions as we went - great stuff Phil - hope theres more this season - really good.
Anyway, well done to all that raced tonight - hope to see everyone back next week.

Apologies to anyone I got in the way of, there aren't many places to overtake on this track other than the main straight.

No need to tell anyone what position I came in, they should know by now!

Don't worry about your place Tibernius, I think it's great you pushed on, and you probably even passed a few unlucky souls overdriving their cars ;)

Didn't know people had problems connecting, I did get into the lobby, but I had to try about 5-6 times every time I was to connect to the race server.

Net a very interesting race for me, had noone to race, but I did like it when I managed to fight the lapping cars for some time. Was lucky with my car choice, as I hadn't manged to finish a whole lap with it before the race, and download IBM's setup for the Elan without testing it, just went a bit down on the power diff setting, just to be sure.

I managed to find my rythym later on in the race (a very slow one), and I also found out why I kept spinning. I was in too low a gear.

I span about 6 laps in and had to have the suspension changed, otherwise I would have been racing for 2nd-to-last.

That was incredibly fun!

I owe sincere apologies to Syd Drake and Adam Parle for tapping their Vette's. I just didn't expect that Vette will be so slow in the chicane. I saw that Parle quit later, so I am really really sorry if it was me who ruined his race.
Otherwise, I had very good battles all the time, and was closing the gap to Will and Gilliland after series of very fast laps. They were also catching SBG,so I pushed hard out of last corner to catch them at the end of S/F straight, but was caught slightly in the gravel, hit tyrewall sideways, and was somehow launched in the orbit. That was the end for me in lap25. Very unrealistic behaviour of the car at this impact, but now it's over.

Can't wait for future races.

That was good fun, shame I ran outta talent :).

Very bright start with Bernie, Steve and Andy. Great fun swapping places and apologies for T1 crash. I did realise I made a horlicks of it and tried to get outta your way, think I just about avoided you all but it was a tad exciting. Got back into the thick of those chaps again only to run out of brakes, tyres and talent to fall away badly at the end. Good fun though.

Congrats to JR and Bernie for handling the vette, and all the podium. Its really not fun to hear about problems many had getting connected  >:(.

And it must be said that standards were far better this week, at least they were from where I stood. All bodes well for more fun ahead :)

SBG - what the heck is your avatar all about?? :laugh:

I've been wondering about that as well...

Race for me started off as a bit of a procession, no way of catching the guys in front and keeping equal gap to PR behind. The more I pushed, the more I understeered so I was stuck. I let PR by coz I kept loosing time trying to go quicker.

Went through a 'calm before the storm' period - coz it sudenly went manic in the last 3 laps! All the leaders bunched up and Madd fell off, and I smelt the scent of a cheeky victory but it was not to be!

Was the most exciting 3 laps of racing I have ever had, but frustratingly I accidentally tapped PR in the last bend whilst trying to keep close and get a good run onto the straight for the last time. So sorry for this Paulo :( - I just got caught out when you came off the gas as I went on it for that split second :(

This had a knock on effect of Mike knocking me into the barrier and a head-ache inducing pirhouette!!

Gutted... and very sorry to PR

That was me! Looks like the battle between Team Prodigy and The Gentlemen Drivers is hotting up  ;)

No harm done though, had a terrible race; made too many mistakes and managed to spin at least two times own my own  :(

What happened in the end? I was running in a comfortably 19th spot, getting out of everybody's way and suddenly I finished in 15th place ??!!  ???

Why did you do that ?? We could have had a great battle and that would made both our races more interesting!

Oh well...

What car was this? (don't have to mention a name, just curious if I gave to little room to pass..)

i tried joining the server for half an hour but had to reluctantly give up  :'(

That was a classic hard but fun classic race  :P
First half i was behind Baracus and as you said, we were doing the same time laps  8)
Then i managed to exit last corner a bit better than you, and you gently let me overtake
easy.  ;)
But after that, you did exactly the same as before (same time laps)  :laugh: only with
me leading this time.
Then, sudendly, you lost connection with me (gap, not net) ;D ;D ;D and i was right behind the
top 3 guys  :o and it was a last 3 or 4 laps to remember, battling with them almost untill the end.
I did last mile less than an inch gap from Ruskus Vette (cool, very cool) 8), i thought....under power,
the Vette will win easy,(last corner) but....2nd place will be fine........DANG Baracus
tapped my rear hard  ;D i spun and respun, I saw Mike going slow and i thought Mike was gently waiting for me
to overtake him to get my 2nd place, so i had brake, flashed the lights for him to finished ahead
of me, and because of this HUGE courtesy and fairplay i finished 4th  :P
No problem at all Baracus, because it was totally unintentional, but please, next time hit me at 1st lap at 1st corner, not at last lap and last corner (kidding) :lol: cheers Baracus mate  ;)
Congrats jeff and podium, great driving.

Cheers

misssed it all.......got called out to work on a jam night...normal bassist couldn't make it so I got asked to cover....no time to even make a post...just got my gear together and headed out.

good night though...got to play a couple of metallica songs and the one and only golden earing song.. ;D
been wanting to do them for ages but not had the other musicians in.....errrrrrrm...may well be getting into another band then. ;D ;D ;D..........been invited to join the lads that played the above....cool.

Friday and saturday nights out....not having to pay for my ale. young girls (well, under 40 anyway :D) wanting to be groupies, 15 mins of fame, playing my type of music, in the places I like to be in, and getting paid 50 quid a night for it??.......think I may consider it......but beware...driving may suffer ::) :laugh: :laugh:

Interestingly I couldn't get into the GTR2 lobby either so it wasn't just GTL it was all obloxed. I will try again tonight to see whether the problem has been fixed. :-\

Results imported and replay uploaded.

Please can I re-iterate DO NOT SWAP CARS AFTER QUALIFYING HAS STARTED. The system does not cope with drivers being in one car for qualifying and another for the race.

PLEASE CAN [Poodle]Andy OWN UP TO WHICH FORUM ACCOUNT YOU ARE UNDER BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN IMPORTED AS GUEST BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND AN ACCOUNT FOR YOU.

P.S. If you want your country flag displayed correctly (I notice there's a lot of white (not set) flags on the results), then you can update that yourself by going to your forum profile, then clicking on the Driver Details link on the left.

I would, but there is no Serbia in the list. :(

There is now. ;)

Can we please have a Cornish flag? :)

Sorry about that. I hope it didn't cause to much problems, and I'll do my best to avoid this in the future. But if I hadn't done this I wouldn't have been able to finish the race, as I just realised I sucked in the other cars. And the fact that getting in to the server took so much time, I missed alot of practise time. I actually wouldn't be surpriced if I didn't get back in either, as I left during qualifying, but I figured I had to give it a try.

Not unless you can persuade ISO to give Cornwall its own 2-letter ISO-3166 code. GB-CON doesn't fit in 2 characters. :P

I'll take it up with my Mebyon Kernow MP ;).

Hi guys

Sounds like it was a fun race. Typically everything seems to be fine this morning and can get into the lobby no problem! See you all next week.

Peter

If you mean why did I crash...I've been wondering about that as well!  ;)
If you mean why did I have the suspension changed...because the car was steering 45degrees to the left with the steering centred.

Ruskus: which backmarker was it?

I have got to say a great big thanks to Simon for his great car choice for this track, it was an absolute hoot, which makes it all the more frustrating that so many people couldn't connect.  Flippin' typical, and now it seems to work.

It was so much fun racing Bernie's Vette, light the blue touch paper and watch it disappear down the straight, then it only took a couple of corners to catch right back up, it was so wild in the bends.  ;D  With [Poodle] Andy's Elan right behind one of us would get slightly blocked by the Vette and lose momentum and the other would get through.  Very funny.  Finally Bernie's tyres became almost undriveable and I was able to squeeze through and pull away.

A lot of fun.   8)

Might have been one of the toughest races for me.

Was surprised that the Vette could be quicker in one lap than the Elan, so pole was unexpected.

The Vette has so much power that I couldn't stop the rears from spinning at the start, so I almost lost it to Mike's E-Type. Luckily for me when the tires gripped I was off in 1st in T1.

The first 10 laps or so were pretty relaxed (compared to what was going to follow). Madd was attacking me, especially in the last corner, but I always had the poweradvantage on the straight.
But after 10 laps my tires were shot and it was starting get a fight against the maching. Mike had attacked Madd in the meantime as well, so there was a small gap at the start of my tires' demise  ;D.
When we reached lap 15 I was really struggling and thought to myself: "I can't keep this up for an additional 17 laps." Madd was all over me and so was Mike. A few times they overtook me in the last corner, just for me to blast by on the straight ;D.
10 Laps before the end I was fighting mostly my car. I checked before the corner where Madd was to see if I needed to keep room, but once in the corner and the exit I was focussing completely on handling the car (briefly checking mirrors), as it needed all of my attention :P.
Madd did well to not hitting me, as it had to be very difficult maintaining a close gap when the handling differences are so big.
Due to all the hard fighting we lost time and PRibeiro was closing up to us. And not much later Bara also showed up. So at that point we had a 5 car train (1 Vette, 1 E-Type, 3 Elans) heading towards the finish with 5 laps to go on the counter.
Very unlucky Madd downsifted to quick, as he deserved atleast 2nd place, as he was very quick and consistent.

The finish was fun with you PR. I saw it in the replay, that Ossie must have thought: "Ah cheers."


Don't worry, it wasn't you, but I'm not telling in public who it was.

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/GTL DijonSh 29-11-2007/index.html)

 :P Ossie has been making our friends in work fully aware of my mistake, and tbh I don't blame him, it was an error which made me stare at the screen in disbelief, still, a thoroughly enjoyable race.....even though I didn't finish.....cock!

The first mistake made you end in 6th, the 2nd mistake at T1 made you quit  ;D. Which one is he talking about  ;)?

Luckily I saw you all coming but it still looked terrifying from my point of view

Both!

What's all that about me having the lap record in qualifying at this track ???

Could be because you swapped cars? ??? I've seen bugs like that before.

It's cause --- is faster than 1:14. :laugh:

I see, that makes sense :D

I wanted to watch the replay before commenting.

Very tense race, exciting. The car choice turned out great, it was so tight racing, despite the differences in the cars.




Very sorry to hear I was lagging, it sucks when good racing is disturbed by such technical problems. Maybe that was why I got nudged several times during the laps I was ahead of you :P. Fortunately the E-Type is a sturdy and stable car, so no spins resulted from it. No worries. I see from the replay I got you back good on the straight with a lag bomb though.  :(



I also feel Bara passed me by giving a nudge just prior to braking zone in 2nd to last corner on the last lap, I would probably not have went wide and given room otherwise. But I sinned far worse trying to squeeze through where there simply wasn't quite enough room on the last turn. Very sorry. With less throttle I might have been able to both avoid Prib and leave Bara enough room,

Before the chequered flag I wasn't waiting for Pribeiro, I was waiting for Baracus, but when Pribeiro also slowed down and flashed his lights I went ahead anyway. Lots of confusion there the last lap. But I thought that to be the common practice, you bump someone off, you wait for them. Right?


All in all a very enjoyable race, despite the few troubles there. It's so tough to avoid contact while in a tight group of dissimilar cars, all trying to overtake one another. Thanks once more for a good race.

I'm going to start looking for another ISP, this lagging just won't do.

I assume you're not on a wireless connection?

Anyone?

No, cable. Same cable I've had for years. It used to all fine and peachy, but the last weeks I've had spikes of lag every now and again.

Hi Mike

Some of the lagging might be down to the Simbin servers at the moment. I was lagging for the first time ever at nogrip on Wednesday and Friday I had to drop out of a GTR2 race because it was so bad I was getting an FPS of 1! And I have 10 meg cable broadband!

Peter

I got my first disco resently in GTR2. Think it was last week.

hi simon, sorry i dont understand what u mean, i only registered last week, just before the race using the name andyq, then changed my profile to include the POOdle tag, hope that helps

btw thanks for the race and i'm looking forward to many more

Thanks, I've now registered your forum profile with your GTL driver name. I couldn't find a match for you in the forum members to be able to match up the GTL driver with at forum member, so that's resolved now.