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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (23 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Interlagos v1.0 (download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#msg54520))
Cars allowed: Porsche 906, Porsche 911, Corvette (Note: Whatever Corvette is available in the GTC-TC-76 class is allowed.),  Ford Capri
Time of Day Setting: 10:00
Start: STANDING

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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Does this version come with falling signs?  ;D

Is it the '69 vette this time?

It's the one available in the GTC-76 class of which I've lost track of what year any car actually is.

GTC-76 has both the '69 and '74 Corvettes.

The '69 Vette, either the Green Machine or the Red gay American look ::)

A more apt description I cannot imagine.   ;D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the green is '74, the red '69. '74 has more powerful engine. GTC65 class Vettes are '64 versions.

I'm dunno too much about Vettes though.

The '64:

(http://www.motorera.com/corvette/1960/1965/65green1.jpg)

The '69:

(http://www.exoticcarshare.com/images/69_Corvette/Corvette-69-Stingray-4.jpg)

The '74 is the red one with the US flag on the roof.

Yep, bizarrely the green 7-litre one is the large-block 69 version, the slower red one is the small-block 74 version.  I believe the red one is supposed to have improved suspension, but I can't set them up for toffee so that's pretty irrelevant to me.  It's certainly a little lighter.

I'm sure someone here will know more about the history of these cars.

Don't worry, Ruskus will be along in a minute...

The car was build for Ben Hur, but he complained about bad handling that they went for the chariot design in the end.

Other than that, this might be interesting read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette_Stingray

Thanks Ruskus.The only thing I know about Corvettes is they are made by Chevrolet.

So basically it looks the same from 69 all the way to 82


(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/CorvetteC3Coupélightblue.jpg/800px-CorvetteC3Coupélightblue.jpg)


Just kiddin'   ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for clearing that up Tibernius

Now we just need shark to say which 'vettes we are alllowed to use... ::)

You're allowed to use whatever Vettes come up when "Corvette" gets selected as the car type on the server. There is no way to restrict one car or the other as far as I know so you can drive the "gay" one if you like or the big green mean machine.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The download link for this track is not working - or is it me?

Same here.

Well here is the link to NoGrip to get it if anyone needs:

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=824 (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=824)

Thanks, I'd forgotten to download it.

hehe - same here - gonna have a go now if the servers up

Whoops - just checked and its still on Dijon

Having a hard time choosing between porkers.

Not much prefered autos for me in this race

Download link working again.

I have absolutely no idea what to drive!  >:( And I need to practice at the weekend or I'll come in last!  ;)

Capri, 911 or slow 'Vette? Which one is easiest to drive?

Capri.  No question.

Thanks Parle, I was thinking of driving the Capri.

What kind of lap times would you be able to get with the Capri?

911, my all-time favourite, all sims included.

Go to be the Vette, just hope this track hasn't got many corners :). I aim to burn brightly rather than fade away.

Well the 'Vette will be fastest between the last corner and the first corner, but will probably be the slowest everywhere else. Lots of nasty corners!  ;D

This track is pretty technical, with lots of nasty corners. 911 for me i think...
need some practice for this one as never raced here before?

You aren't Lewis Hamilton in disguise are you?  ;D

First, any moderators/admins feel free to delete any off-topic posts by me, I tend to wander off and I'd forgotten which section of the forum I was in.

Second, does anyone (other than Ruskus ;D) have a lap time for Interlagos? I'm trying to predict how many times I'll be lapped!

I've tried all of the cars at Interlagos, and I've decided which one I'm going to use.
Your reaction to this will probably be:  ::) :lol: :nono: but: I'm going to drive the Porsche 906. It's the only car I feel I can control at high speed.

Best lap time so far: 1:54.3

The 906 is notorious for biting under braking. Best is still Capri or Vette.

Tried the Capri, alright but I can't control it properly.
'69 Corvette: Can't control it at all.
911: Handles well but very unpredictable.

I noticed about the brakes, I had to shift the brake balance but it seems better now.

The 906 is not bad to drive, I find it one of the easyest myself. But considering the Capri is faster, I've found that it easyer to drive better laps in this. But the 906 is not too slow either, so go with what you feel comportable driving Tibernius.

That's why I'm going to drive one. I feel that if I drive any of the others I'll either be spinning to much or have no control over the car, and I don't want to end up crashing in to someone.

Does anyone have a setup for the 906?

Can you set up a 906? I've never managed it!

I have a decent setup for the 906, I'll upload it when i get home tonight.

I want the BMW  ;D please, mighty dear almost god, add the Beemer  ;D
Well...im joaking....no, i´m not  8)  :-\ :-*

I would liketh the BMW as well :( I will have to deal with this Porker

A question for the moderators: What are the rules about cutting the pit entrance? You can gain a few hundredths by cutting it, but is it allowed?

It's not cutting, it's part of the track.

However, seeing how close you come to smacking the pit wall head on, if you collide with the pit wall you will be severely frowned upon for a) being such a numpty, b) driving in a knowingly dangerous manner. This is the fastest part of the track so you are risking causing a big pile-up if you hit the wall.

Nobody has mentioned yet the question of fuel.  According to my 906 setup, I should only get 20 laps.  ::)  I guess with such a fast track we use more fuel and 40 mins approx is a looong way to go.  :o

Re the 906 tendency to lockup under heavy braking, I find it is a problem of changing down too early and locking up the transmission - wait for it.  :oops:

Bill

The brake balance on the standard setup is too far to the rear, which locks up the back wheels when you brake. (as proved by Kimi at Monza)

Blip and slightly hold some throttle under braking.

Could you please specify which corvette is admitted into these races. Last race I trained with the Team Shark Corvette, which was not permitted in the race.

I've asked the same question: you can use either of the '69 or '74 'vettes, the ones that weren't used last time.

Thanks, Tib. I'll probably not use any of them, but still it's nice to know my options.

But after a testing session offline at this track today, I found the track to seem quite buggy. I had a man standing quite comfortable 1000ft up in the air, just watching the race peacefully. Also though the framerate were steady, I seem to lag a bit sometimes (offline). And some of the dark paved bufferzones off the track sometimes felt like driving on sand, and other times like concrete :-\ even with the texture looking the same all over.

Thank god someone else has seen that guy. I put it down to my medication. NURSE, NURSE!

I another thing I've noticed is that the racing surface looks like very rough gravel.

Well this is the Brazilian racing circuit!  ;)

On my machine the textures improve when I drop to direct x 8 but even with very high frame rates the track still seems to jump in places, just like lag except offline.

To be honest I don't think the track is up to the usual SROU standards. I get some lag offline and I've noticed the error with the grass/gravel/concrete (outside of the first hairpin bend).

I was online practising last night. Two others joined (poodleKeith and poodleAndy?) and we got loads of track miss match messages. Their cars seemed to be in the air all the time not on the track. They said my car also was up in the sky although from my perspective everything was fine. I left multiplayer, deleted my Interlagos folder and re-downloaded and re-installed. But when I went back to multiplayer they had gone so I had no way of testing if the problem was fixed or not.
I will probably be online late tonight for practise.

If these bugs show up during the race I reckon it will end up like the Sugo endurance race a few days ago. This track doesn't seem good enough to be used. Too late to swap it now though.

We know that that was down to a network problem with the server.

i tried the track briefly last night for a few recon laps and saw no problems at all.

I have seen no problems with the track in my original testing other than the grainy track surface. IF there are major problems with mismatches etc on the night then I will make a decision at the time about whether to run the race or not.

Please make sure you download the track from the SRou source (http://files.filefront.com/Interlagos+V1+0zip/;9156958;/fileinfo.html) in case your track is different to that being used on the server.

Lag is an online phenomenon,  FPS are going to be your issue I think.  From memory you had a post saying that you run on low FPS?

Some of the add-on tracks are very detailed, the Trois Rivieres track we ran with caused both Shark and I to drop our settings and we're on near identical (and fairly competent!) systems with high powered GPU's etc where normally we can run it maxed out.

hi tony, u were flyin last night m8, literally!!. i jumped on the server earlier for a quick praccy and lo and behold 'interlagos.gdb'mismatch kept coming up  :-[ so i deleted my lagos track folder and download the version posted earlier, and restarted the game. i joined the server and as normal the picture of the track came up, but it was Imola, and the track when i drove out was Interlagos, wierd. But no mismatch errors. 1 problem solved. so i left the game and restored the interlagos folder and re unzipped the interlagos track, fired up the game and re-joined the server, upon loading the picture of the track was lagos, great but the game was v jerky, not clean and smooth at all. i also tried it on single player with the same result.
is anybody else getting this with the updated track?? ive got a pretty high spec machine and have never had this happen before. any ideas anyone???

FPS spikes then. All of a sudden it drops from 40 FPS to 4.

I have the grainy track surface too. I almost reinstalled the game because of it. Luckily I looked here first.

sorry guys, all my own fault, i have just downloaded the latest video card drivers and everything is smooth now

Tibernius, not sure how you're 906 setup is looking, but you can try my if you want, uploaded a qual setup I've made. Felt fine for me at least.

I am tempted by the Vette, but I only do 1:48's right now, and that's in the first lap, and usually after lap 1 my tires start to fall off  ::)

Only 48's  :o . Looks like I'm in slowland in the vette, again. I'm gonna get battered by the Cwapri's and 906 but its gonna be fun :)

Personnally, I think the flying marshall and yella bug are nice little touches by the designer.   

Going to have to miss this one and the next. Have fun, hopefully see you all for the Yuletide rumble in Buenos Aires.

Guys what up-grades do I need to race in GTL on Sim Racing, is it a simple case of just extracting the file to the Game Folder GTL on my C Drive? I am new to all this uploading and down loading stuff, simple explanations please if possible.

When you unzip the folder there should be a folder called "Interlagos". Place this in GTL\GameData\Locations\.

JPS, you'll also need skinpack 1.51 from here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.0 to take part. Instructions for skin pack install are in package.

Hope to cya tonight, just as long as you ain't doing 48's ;)

There's also a patch for GTL available, you'll need that as well if you haven't already got it.

48's for me too in the 911  8)...guess that means i'll spend the race behind Jeff again with him in a yank tank and me in my european sports car snapping at his heels  ::) ;D

Great track, quite technical, should make for a good race.  8)

Won't be racing tonight or possibly next week either.  :'( :'(

Awaiting an upgrade from my ISP to replace the one I was conned into accepting.  "Turbo Charge Broadband". :hammer:  Has a known problem with gaming, ping can go out to 200 - no wonder I had severe lag.  :ban:

Bill

 :whistling: 1.45's here in my little baby...the Capri......we are using the same track aren't we? I'll feel a muppet if we aren't!

Arse, finally got some time to practice and it seems i've got some incompatible game issue going on!

"Game not avilable. Host may be running an updated or incompatible game version".

I've installed both the Interlagos track and UK GTL skin packs but no joy. Modman also drops out when its building its index file so that doesn't appear to be an option...going well!

Before this i was using the auto-updater from altbierbude, not sure if that's caused issues somehow.

Any help appreciated, really fancy a blast in the Capri!

Cheers,

J

Probably yes, but it's obvious the Capri is the right choice for this track. The reason why I stay clear of it. ;D

Doubt I'm gonna make this one... :(  out entertaining the masses again.

phew at least I've got the right track then!
But I've pretty much always driven the Capri so its the one I'm most comfortable with and most consistent, although it does have foul understeer (oh for a rear anti-roll bar!), although much less than the American muscle kak.

You need to install the official GT Legends v1.1 patch.

 :D Another point Jeff is that during the Dijon race I was most amused at the constant movement of your front wheels! More of the same here?

I had some of that in practice with the 906, but thought I needed all the front grip I could get, so stiffended the rear back up.

On this track, i suck bigtime  :P

Probably yes hahaha Dijon was really hard work, my fronts never stopped moving, even on the straight it was terrible  ;D

1:45's Madd ?  :o ...3 whole seconds a lap quicker than the rusk?..you sure your on the same track  ???

Blimey, i was feeling quite happy with my 48's  :-[

I'm comfortable with my 49's, so you must be slow with 48.

The 'Vette is probably an absolute horror around here tbh, and I'm probably being cursed as a wuss for copping out for driving the Capri, but I like the car and apart from the Escort its the only 76 car I've skinned.
Oh and Jeff, that must be why you were weaving on the straight.......nothing to do with minimising any tow I could have got...... :laugh:  :P , stillI'm sticking by my guns on this...Capri it is.  ;)

Yeah trust me, the Vette is horrible here with the lack of straights and tight corners ;D. And that is in lap 1 with good tires.

Yes I was weaving due to tirewear and ofcourse I didn't want to break your draft  ::)

Well the best I can manage is low 1.50's in the Capri. Have sorted out the stuttering track problem I had by dropping to Direct X 7. See you all later.

Was getting used to the track, still had my doubts about the race, but with 5/6 mins of qually left my dinner turned up so I'll let the rest of the Legends battle for honour and glory .... or something like that! ;D

Good race all.

Aaarrgghh - missed it  >:(
Goddam chkdsk thing kicked in on XP and took ages  :'(
oh well - good luck TP ;)

Crimbo shopping. Hope you had fun chaps, I didn't  ::)

Destruction derby on lap 1 then S Drakes car froze after turn one then reappeared and totally wiped me out.....stupid.

what a feckin shambles. Everyone was driving like complete ar*es on those opening two laps  >:( I  was getting whacked left right and centre and people were flying into the braking zones with way too much speed with no chance of stopping, it was almost comically sad watching people at T1  ::)

Gutted because the grid of 76 cars on a great track layout like Interlagos should have been a corker.

Got taken out on lap 4 by two cars coming together ahead of me on the uphill straight whilst flat out. I tried to avoid whoever came spinning across track but clipped some part of it and was sent careening off into a multiple roll into the grandstands :o  :'(

Because of the chaos I was able to get to 12th by the end of the second lap. Then I put a wheel on the grass on the aproach to the straight and next thing I knew I was going backwards. Sorry to whoever hit me but once it span I was a passenger. In over 80 laps that was the only time I got a wheel on the grass there! But had been shunted from behind on a couple of occasions and had somebody pull back onto the track in front of me who I hit so may have had some damage.

Terribly sorry if I hit anyone, and I think I did. On start, the car in front just stood there, so I tried to  pass, forgetting that I had turned off auto-clutch. Resulting in a spin when I shifted to 2nd :-\ Got back and started climbing, but unfortunately I got a bit tight trying to pass a slower 911, so I hit him, then someone hit me or was it the same 911. Terribly sorry about, please forgive me, but I just got a bit exited when I for about my first time passing someone.

After that I had a blast, managed to climb to 13th I think, before everyone just disappeared. That was of course me having a f**** disco. Starting to wonder if this is my new router, works fine but half way into all my races I get disco'ed.

Even with all the carnage on the first lap, I still loved this :laugh:

was just gonna join the 'What a shambles' cries until I realised it was a standing start!  :-[
Spent the first lap driving as if it was a warm up lap cursing everyone else!
Managed to stay out of trouble!
Settled into my rightful 14th until entering the turn before the pit entry to meet a Capri sideways across the track! ouch!
That hurt!
Car was damaged and did not like heavy braking and left corners !
Limped round for 14th!
Don't think I got anyones way !
Very dissapointed as I had practiced hard and expected to pick up places!
Go Team Oldie!!
M.
 :-\

That was a shocker.   :(

Carnage on the first lap, hit several times, then again a few laps later.  One resulted in a bang into a concrete wall that lost me some front spilitter, had understeer I'd never had before.  Decided not to quit, had some nice racing, then a spin of my own making.

Caught up to PoodleKeith and had several laps fighting, ended with me tapping him into a spin as I accelerated out of the last corner on the inside, for which I am really sorry.  Not the way it should have ended.   :-[  However, I'd already passed him a few laps previously at the first corner and been unceremoniously pushed off the track at T2, so justice was done, possibly.   ???

Dunno why that was so wild but it was certainly one of the worst UKGTL races for overdriving I've seen.

Just found out, my c**p router just found it a good idea to automaticly taking warm restart at 21:20 :(

Qualified 4th, at start i rev up too much in 1st gear and Simon and Ossie, overtook me before T1. ;D
After T1, i had one of the most fun and enjoyable race ever, as i´d spend many many laps,
having fun, seeing the fights in front of me from 1st to 5th place.  :D
I had some luck, but had great batlles with Ossie, then Simon, Madd and finally with Jeff.
The vette have that huge power under acelleration, but it is not so good at the slow corners.
Excellent driving and pressure at the slowest parts of the track tho, Jeff  ;)
I guess Vette was in trouble last 5 laps with lack of grip  8)
Thanks all for the behavior when were loosing a lap.  :)

Cheers

First, sorry to Madd-RIP for hitting him. :oops: Couldn't see him at the s/f straight, thought he'd gone right to overtake, slowed down and he hit the back of my 906. Entirely my fault.

Sorry to whoever it was that I hit on the s/f straight on the first lap, I couldn't see the sideways 906, I have no idea who it was but, again, my fault.

Other than that I had a good race. Just waiting for the news on where I finished after the penalties before I say anything else.

Crazy race right from T1!

I was king of hoping Simon MEANT a rolling start, because 1/10 of my AI races were hell at T1. I thought my race was over before I even got past the green light. A 906 spun right off the start and I clipped him with my front passanger side - luckily the 906 is like a bullet and only goes straight. I made it out of there and approached the Traffic Jam that is T1, and tried to weave my way into the inside only to loose it and spin into the wall causing some damage on the front drivers side. I figured my race was over as I rejoined in last or maybe second to last. My car was pulling a bit and had some stiffness on turns - and I expected a long hard fight with it.

Luckily It loosened up over the next couple of turns and I was gaining places. I think I jumped up to 9th spot at lap 2, after som manuvering around large clusters of drivers, and then on the second to last turn it looked like a legends porche and a Crapi were involved in a fender bender that I literally just SQUEEZED through. Unfortunately a Red porche (which i think was Drake) and another car squeezed through as well - keeping the pressure on.

I engaged in a 3-4 lap battle with Keith untill his overbraking Corvette caused me to tap his back end and spin him. Sorry about that Keith, but I couldn't brake in time :(

I was then in the chase for 7th. Syd Drake came zooming out of nowehere on the main straight and gave me a little love tap into T1. I dropped to 9th, and had a long long stressfull battle with Hammer who GOT my position on the LAST lap when I F'ed myself into T1.

Had tons of fun, and I THINK this is my best result so far. That 906 was getting pretty flimsy near the end, and I just wanted the race to be over! Quite a crazy first few laps, would love to see a Vid from it :)

Shame to hear about people's bad experiences  :(.

I was exremely pleased with my qually lap. Was doing 47's before the race, and in qually I all of a sudden did a 45 and got 3rd  :o.

Had a good start, due to the Capri being crap at standing starts and Bara probably had a bad start. So before T1 I was in 1st, with 23 hard laps ahead of me.
Again Madd-RIP was all over me and I had to defent my apex' to keep him behind. On the mainstraight I could open the throttle and get some breathing space, that's HUGE fun ;D.
Later I had Simon behind me and again later there was PRibeiro. All (Capri's)  trying to find away round my big behind ;D.
With 10 minutes to go I got a punt from the rear and lost 1st place  >:(. The only "weapon" I had was defence, so when I got overtaken by PR, I knew 1st was lost for good. Last 10 minutes were because of that quite boring with nobody close behind and PR slowly driving away.

Grats PR with the win 8)

Forgot to mention, from halfway through the race I had suspension damage, the car kept steering left. It happened from when I went in the gravel at T4.

Mr_Oily, what did you get DQed for?

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.Lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/GTL Interlagos 06-12-2007/index.html)

  :D :D :D what a race!! started last and at the end of 1st lap i was in 7th. what happened at the start?? i had fun and also witnessed a 911 vanishing then torpedoing 3 cars out its path as it re appeared  :laugh: i just had a quick look at the replay and i seen madmacs end....what a crash and that 911 went flying about 40ft in the air in to the void of doom. 

overall a great race and a lot of fair drivers avoiding contact. so was loads of fun. i ll defo be racing next week.

Wow, that was one of the best 76 races I've had. I really don't like ANY of the 76 cars as they all handle like ****.

I was really surprised to be so high up on the grid. I had done no practice as I never do for GTL, but my first flying lap was already 1:49 and from there I soon got it down to 1:46 with some setup tweaks. Have to say this is one of my all-time favorite circuits and that might have helped me be so competitive.

So, started 5th and was looking for a top 5 and podium if I got lucky. Didn't get one of my great starts for a change, but wasn't too bad and as Baracus skewed across the track and made contact it gifted me a nice 4th to start with.

Jeff meanwhile had somehow got THE BEAST into the lead off the line and I could see MR and Jeff having a classic 2 halves to the lap battle. Vette would just whooosh down the straight and the Capri would close up in the corners. After a while Ossie made a mistake somewhere and I was through onto the podium. Priberio meanwhile had closed up behind me.

Then about half way through with MR having gone off somewhere and now me up to second and behind Jeff's Vette I lost the back end out of one of the hairpins and smacked my front into the barrier, then bounced back onto the track having lost a couple of seconds (jammy on one hand but bad on the other hitting barrier not good). The car felt screwed up straight away and I think that's when Priberio nipped by and then shortly after into T1 MR got by? Anyway, carried on to find out what the damage was and the car was still drivable albeit with a lot more understeer. Was losing 0.5-1.0 a lap roughly. Had one moment as poor old Morten's car froze and I had to take avoiding action into the black gravel, losing a couple of seconds, but nothing race ending (for me).

Later on Jeff and MR had a coming together and Priberio nipped by to take the lead and keep it for good. The incident however promoted me to 3rd as MR struggled to get going again. After that it was a case of trying to go as fast as I could with a damaged car as Baracus came back strongly into 4th. Lucky for me he didn't have enough laps left and I still had a comfort margin come the end. Found out afterwards that I drove the second half of the race with no front splitter so doubly pleased with a podium in the 76 class.

Good thing I was pressurized in the slow corners, can't really spin there under pressure  ;D.


Tyres???...I had tyres then  :P ;D?

ROFL! Read the Lap By Lap summary for Lap 1! I've never seen such a busy one before.

LOL indeed, and check the positions graph, like a chimp painted it :P

Would look more impressive with true-time logging instead of just lap by lap logging.

Ok, I just looked at the replay at the start and this is exactly why I did not want to agree to allowing standing starts.

All it takes is one person being incapable of doing a standing start or making a simple cock up and spinning or being sideways to cause complete and utter mayhem. Just one. It does not matter if 99% of the drivers can do it, if there is one at all, through incompetence, bad luck or over exuberance it all falls apart.

I will be re-considering standing starts as it's not the first time in the first 3 races that standing starts have caused this kind of incident. Yes it's not the fault of a standing start, it's clearly the drivers fault, BUT, this happens so less frequently with rolling starts that it is the situation that can so easily cause this to happen.

Best race I've never had >:(

nuff said :-X

I can't speak for anyone else, but I still prefer standing starts. I would think the person(s) not starting will learn for the next one. And even though I was behind one of them, I don't mind, it was my faulty shifting which took me out, just because it's my fist race without auto-clutch.

About rolling starts I would like to say that at the back it's no "dance on roses". Very often drivers don't activate pit-speed limiter, or they do it too late cause confusion. Sometimes they active it, deactivate it and reactivate it. Very confusing, causing some big gaps in the field.

What happened? It says you retired because of suspension damage?

Watch the replay............

First time I have ever changed my base 906 setup (its one of the only cas I use the same setup everywhere apart from gear ratios) for the bumps of Interlagos, and I really had it sorted out. The car felt great - just a touch of exit understeer which I would have like time fix but didn't.

At the start you cannot see the lights in the 906 if you are on pole!! That's a nice advantage! The roof is in the way its so bloomin low! This has happened quite a fe times now that you can't see the lights form pole on various tracks.

So that put me on the back foot, then got a hit from behind into T1 and was down to 14th.

Got back up to 6th > 5th fairly quickly but then found myself in a bit of a rut where I wasn't really pushing enough with nobody to chase - and dropping a second or so a lap from what I should have been doing. That combined with some 'lapping incidents' basically stunted my progress.

Took 4th when Matt must have spun at the last bend, but Si was teasingly close ahead and if I had pushed a bit more in the middle of the race I would have been right with the leaders at the end and may even have had my tyres in better shape! Darn :(

I suppose its true you should never give up pushin even if it looks hopeless!!

So mixed emotions but a good race anyway.

I can't speak for everyone but, if you are being lapped, I would much rather follow you for a few bends than have you dive out of the way or slow down suddenly if its unpredictable. I had a couple of cars that slowed on the apex and on the racing line to let me past which basically cost 2 or 3 seconds each time! I know you want to let it trhough as soon as possible but its much safer under braking for the next bend than actually in a bend.

Wow, great stories all.. thought I was smart to anticipate 1 pit-stop but made a mess of it. Took me 30 secs to stop on the right spot and then 30 secs to fill up and change tyres.. I think I'm going to have a good long take with my race engineer  :laugh:

T1 was exciting, even saw a Shark 906 lose it's rear wing... could not see the starting lights at the back of the grid tho... but guess that saved me from the carnage in front of me..

Congrats to the Tib, you're learning fast!

No pit stop here, full fuel with the 906 was enough.
Wiltshire Tony: I see what you mean! I hope you're going to get an apology from the driver the pushed you onto the grass! (I'll leave it up to him to confess)


Alright, but I've now learnt not to lift on the racing line.

Good thing you can activate visual start countdown, then.

True, don't like using it but might just have to concede ;)

Yeah, I know how you feel. It's so much more interesting when it's as close to real as possible. But you know in real life drivers would find a way to see or hear the start sequence.

I play with Countdown timer and Player Names on. Realistically i'm sure I would have a spotter telling me if I was lapping, or comming up on a lapee.

I don't know what to say. I think this is the first time ever that I've spun the 906 on the start line. And I think it's the first time this year that I've done it in any car. Very sorry. I had left the auto-clutch on, and I usually do all starts without it. Dunno if that was the cause or what, but bloody embarrassing. And Tib, if you hit me at the start, it was my fault, not yours. Apologies.

After the bad start my steering was off center a little bit, but the car seemed okay and did pretty much what I told it to do (like fishtail off the track at the exit from T4, twice).

I also gave Morten a tap at T4 at some point, and got a simultaneous tap there myself. Apologies to you as well. I guess you were cursing when sitting still on the grass afterwards, because surely you weren't waiting for me to get back on first?


So, for my own part, not so pleased. Still, had a fun duel with Boppman, too bad it ended like it did. I was really looking forward to seeing if you'd leave me room at the same place (between T6 and T7) as the first time  :)

Hi Marc

The two cars coming together was because I had spun in front of them and was going backwards along the straight. They were trying to avoid me. Sorry you got caught up in it. As i said it was the only time I got that bit wrong, and it caused chaos. Sorry for that.

Peter

THanks all, not quite the result i'd hoped for but a really enjoyable first race still.

I particularly liked this bit " mr_oily overtakes [POOdle]Keith, Morten, Syd Drake, Martin 'Blunder' Mason, Steve Holmes, Marc Jonzo, Jebstone Boppman, Bernie Lomax, Dan minton, Mike Hammer, [POOdle]Andy, [GS]Baracus and ends the lap in position 6." hahaha.

Ok so that was a bit flattering due to errors but had some good tussles near the start despite being clearly a little off the pace.

Andy, don't know what happened with your Porsche but one minute it was stopped in the middle of the track and the next it was flying at me from the clouds lol, was running a steady 10th determined to retake Dan Minton and ya Porker bounced us both clean off! Dodgy Net connection?

I've got absolutely no clue as to why I was DQ'd on lap 17, can anyone shed any light? I was cutting that last turn close to the pit wall occasionally but I believed that to be cool provided I wasn't close enough to risk stuffing it?

Unlucky Tony but nice one for finishing Tibs....next time!!

Cheers,

J

P.s - I'm in favour of standing starts for what its worth. Yes there's a little more uncertainty and nobody wants to see repeats of last night, but i think it just needs to be stressed that this is something EVERYONE should perhaps practice before a race.

You were given three cut warnings and did not come in to do your stop and go.

It was cool from the league's POV, but the game provides the cut checking for the most part, so you can't just ignore when the game warns you for cutting or when it gives you the black flag to go and do a stop and go.

Thanks for the clarification Simon, odd though as not one warning displayed in the cockpit or i'd definitely have been straight in.

Had loads of grief getting the add-ons working and ended up reinstalling so i'm guessing whatever flag needs checking for in game notices, it wasn't! It did cross my mind but i got one in qually so presumed all was ok.

Cheers,

J

P.s - Good job btw Mr. BMW ;0)

You will get an in-game chat message and an audible warning from "the crew" when you get a cut warning. I got one warning last night I think when I ran off track at one point. They can be missed if you're in the thick of things of course, although I suspect the stop and go request is more obvious (although I think I've only ever had one or two so not much experience ;)).

I only get messages for warnings in GTL, I don't get the pit crew telling me like in GTR2. Is there a setting I need to change for that?

Dunno, might just be my memory playing tricks on me. You might be right on that (no pit crew speech).

with regards to standing starts, i am still in favour of them but must admit since the GTL league has re-gained its popularity, some bad driving/standards have crept in. I first advocated them when we had a good group of regulars last season, who all behaved well and used some track discipline, as opposed to last night where it looked like a hell for leather free for all. ::)
Some seemed to just batter their way through the corners last night with no attempt at lifting off, i guess knowing that the poor damage modelling of GTL allows them to do so  :(
(is there no way of upping the damage modelling for the server in any of the GTL game files?)
One other method i have seen used over at R2P is a 'sin-bin' procedure whereby if you have any hard contact with a car in front on lap1 (only)then you have to do a stop and go. It certainly makes everyone a bit more cautious and not try to win the race on lap 1.
These races are 40 minutes long, there is no need for the absolute melee that happened on the opening two laps last night.
 :(
The other thing i suggested last time this happened was using some judicial savvy and making it a rolling start when there is a very nasty T1 involved, as there was here.

It was just opening out into a sensible race as the grid panned out on lap 4 when i unfortunately got launched skywards by a big incident right in front of me involving 2 or 3 cars. :o
Otherwise i would have had a good race despite my car already being bent into a 50 pence piece by the numerous early whacks. :'(

I don't believe this was any more difficult a T1 than you normally get. There was a decent run up to it and plenty of time for people to be sensible. All race circuits are the same...you accelerate hard with cold tyres and brakes into a first corner where you have to brake.

Because you are doing a different speed to how you normally entere T1, have cold machinery and are not used to the different braking points and styles of the different model cars around you, everybody's braking points and cornering speeds are trial and error (unless you've practiced some standing starts before hand). This means you have to expect the unexpected. It's no use saying "I didn't expect him to brake there", cause you should expect anything on Lap 1 and especially T1 and be prepared to not sit as close or back off or SLOW DOWN!!

If the damage modelling in GTL is that bad why don't we try P&G for next season?

I personally prefer standing starts, we just need some rules to stop massive crashes at the beggining of the race. I mean, they have standing starts in F1.

Need to watch the replay but I don't think the start was the major problem, although there were issues there.  There was constant barging through the slow twisties on the first lap, but then it always seemed to be exiting the final corner and accelerating up the hill where there were cars all over the place and lots of accidents happened.  So perhaps the standing start is not the major villain.  Certainly more caution at the start would be useful though.

You have to look beyond the start itself - with a rolling start done the SRou way, the field spreads out a little more and you don't end up with a large number of cars packed into a very small length of track for the first lap or so.

Because it lost in the poll
It's incomplete
And it sucks (no funfactor) IMO.

There's nothing particularly wrong with the damage modelling. These cars CAN take a lot more damage than your modern racing cars cause they're not so flimsey AND there's no reason to think that P&G is any more realistic. These computer games let you get away with more than you could in real life, but then you wouldn't want any little tap breaking your car would you!


See: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3591.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3591.0)

Besides, P&G still does not have the variety of cars available in GT Legends so the car choice would be even more restricted.


Real F1 races are not a good comparison for online GT Legends. Completely different cars, completely different standard of drivers AND real world sensations and vision.

Ok, I only mentioned the damage models because MJ mentioned it.
I said next season for P&G, not this season, and only if the damage models in GTL really are bad.
And surely if F1, GP2, F3000 etc. can manage standing starts without everyone crashing into each other then we should be able to with a bit of driver discipline.

I wouldn't change a thing. I don't think any amount of rule writing would correct what happened last night, albeit at the start line or later (I should know >:(). And rules require enforcing so more work for the officials.
Any change because of one race would just be a knee jerk reaction. If it happens next time and the time after then ok things need to done.
P&G has been adopted by so many as the be all and end all of Legends motor sim. It maybe but I have found it dull and lifeless. Driving it was a chore not a joy but if you say that on any other forum you get clattered by cheerleaders. I hope we never adopt it to replace GTL.
Oh and by the by. That solid white line, where the pit lane merges with the race track shouldn't be crossed if your pitting out.

No P&G then. I actually haven't tried it yet, just thought that if MJ is right and the damage models are bad then they might be better in P&G (I'm repeating myself again... :wacko:)

Tony, have you filled in an Incident Report for that yet?

The driver dicipline is much harder to achive and control with online racing compared to the real world. Firstly, , any 'little tap' in F1 etc usually ends up with a broken car, meaning race over, so the 'penalty' for poor driving is a lot more severe than it can be online.
And secondly, it costs nothing to get our cars repaired or replaced and repainted...real world motor sport is an expensive passtime and 'wreckers' wouldn't last very long.

As for P&G....I am experimenting with it....when its complete it could be tested properly and then the new data on it could be posted for a further poll on it's possible use at some stage.

No Tibs and I won't. It was a racing incident. The other guy got away with it, I didn't. Sh1t happens.

Thing is from the replay it looked like he pushed you. And he needs to know not to do that, as does everyone else.
Your choice in the end though.

I prefer standing starts. But damage can be a big factor in driver behaviour. I've been in GPL races with full or near full grids with Pro rules (no repair), and starts have gone without incidents almost every time.
For this race, I didn't see the start lights. I don't even know how to turn visual countdown or whatever it's called on. I like realistic, and that's not. I moved, when I saw other cars move. I avoided a few cars on the way to T1, to me other cars didn't disappear or anything like that. So that must have been some connection issues, or maybe just too many cars too close (almost all cars were at t1 at that moment). I was around 15th exiting senna s, and about 8th crossing the line at the end of lap1. It was real demolition derby in the first couple of laps. Then I had a some close battles with a Capri, Porsche 906 and I think Vette (don't know names, just pitboard for me) for a couple of laps, when a side by side contact with capri put me off at t3. Lost 10 seconds, and was back in 11th or so. Got back to 7th by people mostly spinning in front of me. After that had a lonely race for the last 10 or so laps with no one within sight in front or behind. I did have one incident with a backmarker. I caught up with him at t1. Then it looked like like he was going wide through t2, so I thought he was letting me through. I moved to the inside, but on the exit he moved to the left as well. I tried to avoid him, but had too much speed, and ran into the back of his car. It was a yellow car I think, don't know who it was. That 7th was my second best result in ukgtl.
As for P&G, I would be more receptive of it if it was a mod for GTL. I don't even have GTR2, so that eliminates it right there. It's a completely different game. and I think we should stick to GTL.

contact is always going to happen in online races. you just have to make people get the right attitude. race fair and know the rules. if people make mistakes that ruin other peoples races, they should be told what they done wrong so they know for next time but if they dont take it onboard and race after race they do similar mistakes they should be booted/banned whatever.

im always over cautious at the fist corner, sometimes me braking to avoid someone, i get hit from behind and taken out. but its not every race. so take the good with the bad. thats what makes it so fun.

i prefer standing starts because im quite good at them  :P  but i wouldnt have a problem with a rollin start.

ive gotta say also that the guys that race here r some of the fairest around.

P.S. Don't think I said it before but very well done Priberio. You showed great composure and pace to win that race and it was a pleasure as always racing with you (if only I could have kept you behind for longer ;)).

I was slow but I enjoyed the race all the same.

Had a good start…well more like some dudes in front had awful starts…managed to get into p7 coming to the end of lap 1, got tapped on the rear quarter that caused me to spin but I come out relatively OK…lost a few places I guess.
Had some battles with faster drives – I was kinda under-driving the vette I just want minimise my errors and get to the end a one piece – especially as i didn’t particularly enjoy the Interlagos track.

** As for the coming together a few laps before and ‘unceremoniously’ pushing Steve off the track in T2, check yer replay Steve so what was that bump up the arse I got from you into T1 all about then? I knew you wasnt gonna wait if I had gone off….i just managed to keep the Vette on the track…straighten the big dude up…wham open the throttle and nail your ass into T2 (we both went wide...but what the hell after T1). In the end there was no way you would of passed me without the bumping ;)  - on the last corner of the last lap your mission was successful, grats**

As for Ruskus coming second in the vette – wow, bloody fantastic result – great driving (impressive during quail too). …and grats also to Pribeiro & Simon.

Thanks. That Vette is so much fun. In the twisties it was a matter of keeping close to the apex and just thinking...wait for it....wait for it...wait for it... and as soon as we arrived on the straight...FLOOR IT ;D. I had Capri's all over me most of the race, trying to find a way past, even round the outside :).
Good to see you also in the Vette, it really brightens the grid IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lonAHJbH3lQ   ;D

:o I hadn't seen that before.

You're dead right Keith, if you want to submit an incident report for the final corner, I won't argue that.  I had no idea there had been contact at T1, I thought you simply outbraked yourself, and then when you (rightly it turned out) wanted the place back I thought you were driving unfairly.  But seeing that there was some small contact which did unsettle your car and lead to you running wide you were rightly aggrieved.  And I thought you were in the wrong and I was annoyed you didn't pull over and let me through after pushing me off.  And was pretty p*ssed off.  How wrong can you be.  Oops.   :-[

Shame, until that point I'd really been enjoying our dice, no contact, real cat and mouse, after that point I was irritated and it wasn't so much fun.   :(

You deserved that 10th place, sorry.

No worries Steve….thanks for the reply, things are more clear now.
You where clearly faster than me…but I just happened to be in front – you did give me a rather testing few laps ;)
Even on the start/finish straight I didn’t get a break ….i remember thinking > ****** **** that Capri is fast (my mirrors full on Capri even at the end of the straight, lol)

Forget all the incident report stuff (no really my bag) & P10 is yours np.

Until the next race! Cya soon. Keith

Have to say, I'm sorry to see hardly any incident reports from this race. Thanks to the guys that have put them in.

For all the moaning about quality of driving, if you guys can't be bothered to put the effort into reporting incidents then the standard of driving won't improve. There are some pretty big moaners, but I don't see reports from them, so put up or shut up. You have a right to moan if you can be bothered to help out everyone by trying to improve driving standards by putting in the effort, finding the incident in the replay and providing an objective view of the incident as an official report.

YOU have to input into the system to make the system work!

Apologies to all following my mistake thinking it was a rolling start!?

Martin

 :-[