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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (28 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Kyalami (1979) v1.0 (download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54520#msg54520))
Cars allowed: BMW CSL, Ford Escort, Ford GT40, Porsche 911.
Time of Day Setting: 17:00
Start: STANDING

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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I think the 911 may have it, but this looks like a nice opportunity to take that great big lump, the CSL, out for a spin.  Praise be to a car selecton in which it will not be seconds off the pace!

And what a track, another favourite for some of us from good ol' GPL.   8)

Kyalami is superb and nice line up of cars to choose from....hmm, 911 or GT40 for me, both tasty classics  8)

my only problem is my pc maybe packed to move by the time of this race...Noooo !  :'( 

The first and last chance to use a BMW this season

I don't like Beamers, so it'll be either the Escort or GT40 for me. Probably the GT40.

To my shame I must admit that until last night I had never seen the Kyalami circuit. Now I have and I can't wait to try out the various car choices. Sure looks like a fast track. ;D

I hope it's the same as the one in the GP1979 mod :). If so I'll probably go for the Escort or Bimmer  :D

Bimmer (Schnitzer) for me :). That Escort revs out way too quickly, and I've blown up Escorts for less :P.

Also, the arrow on the loading screen is pointing in the wrong way :)

It bears a striking resemblence. ;)

What a bonkers track!!  :laugh: done a few tester laps, what times should I be aiming for, nothing on GT rank or nogrip, doing about 1.30's in the Escort (very scary!)

I think i'll be going with either the 911 or the Coupe Sports Lightweight - need to get some test laps in this weekend.

Is it just me, or is anyone else liking GTL more than GTR2 again at the moment?

Hope we can get the new season underway soon to keep the momentum going.
There have been some good car and track combinations this season, resulting in close and exciting racing... 8)

How do you pronounce the name of this track? ???

Kai-a-larm-e

For all us Oldies :wheelchair: it's the chance to drive all those cars of our youth that we lusted for - Alfa, Lotus Cortina, Mk II Jag, E Type et al - all real road cars.  :eek:

Motor Racing was a sport, not a business, GP drivers drove in every race on the "card".  Imagine the current crop driving M3s or 911s in a supporting race.  ;D

Need a rest after all that excitement.  ::) :yes: :yawn: :sleep1:

Bill

Thanks Shark. To be honest I'd never even heard of it until I read it here a few weeks ago. :o


And for those a bit younger ;) It's a change to drive cars that look like cars. Just a shame there isn't an MGB in GTL.

AI is getting 1:25s in the BMW, so I would expect to see some 1:23s set for sure.....

I've snuck under the 1:30 mark twice so far, I'm hoping some more practice should get me down to the AI times

Actually I think I'll drive the Beamer...it's the only car I've finished a lap with. :-\

 :o :o :o

I can only do high 27's in the Schnitzel, so I'm not gonna race the AI, that's for sure :P

1.27.4 in the lightweight Porsche - it's a great car to drive, followed by the lightweight Beemer. The others(including the GT40),sadly, are very hard work to drive. I really like the track.

TC

Is it me or we racing the wrong way!?
According to the map!?

Great fun though!?

M.

Yes the arrow is pointing in the wrong direction. The direction you're driving is the way it's supposed to be driven :)

wow, I expected some of you dudes to get lower times than that. I might actually be upper mid-field this race.

Ruskus will be in the 1.24s by race day.

TC

Is that his estimated Lap and a Half time?

That 27 was my first (and only) timed lap, but it's an estimate where I will be.

Can't really see me do a 24tbh.

I am pretty sure you can do.
I did a 26, while i was talking to my wife and daughter and playing with my cat and drinking
a few drops of whisky, scratching my shoulder, looking for a second or two to my TV
and singing a song (mentally) that i cant forget for a couple of days (you know those
80´s songs that come up a few times to us, old people  :P

Whahaha, classic. :lol:

Had to edit your post a bit to make it more believable :D

LOL...tbh, i heard a some Village people in the 80´s, but then i quit  :wetfish:
But the song i was talking about was this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h1fYhuM8AA  8)
Just for couriosity   :yes:

OMG after clips like this (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7Kp_TapA4) I'm not surprised anymore than I'm cuckoo  :clown: , that whole decade is whack  ;D, so being born in the 80's automatically makes you bonkers  :P

Those were the days, despite of a weird, wild and mad decade.
Here, have another one:  8) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6LunEtML3w&mode=related&search=

OMG....now I remember why I hibernated throuout the 80's.... :helpsmilie:

This thread has me a little confused. Was PR really in the Village People? ;) I'd guess he was the Indian?

80's. Worst cultural decade EVER :)

 :D, but was this in the BMW? If so, damn.
I did a few laps, and I can see 27s in race. So easy to get the outer rear tire on the grass and spin though. Interesting track, even though it's fairly simple. Haven't raced in the beemer in a while, gonna be fun.

 :D The Escort is such a blast around here, although it'll struggle against the 911 and Bimmer I'm going to persevere 'cos its soo much fun. My times have dropped so getting more used to driving the BDA screamer around here (need earplugs tho!).

Having problems joining the server tonight - getting the "Cannot join game - track not installed".  The server is currently set to one of the Monza tracks.  Has anything changed since last week?

Bill

That sounds like you don't have the right Kyalami installed (or it's installed wrongly).

According to the server status at the top it's still on Nurb sprint  ???

Having downloaded the track again from the link and installed it, I have a query -  in the opening scene it says Masters 2005 not 1979.  Is this the correct track?

Bill

Whoops sorry - 2 versions of Kyalami both at V1. :oops:  Good job I had my eyes tested - new specs ready soon. :thumbup2:

Bill

All is well. ;D

I must remember what I was taught first thing as a RAF Apprentice "don't assume check"  1979 means just that - read digest and act.   :wetfish:

It's me age.  :angel-wings:

Bill

Glad to see you back Bill.

It was lonely at the back of the grid  ;D

I was on the UKGTL server yesterday and it was set to Kyalami 1979. :)

I reckon JR needs his eyes testing too. :laugh:

Probably, but it really shows:

News: Server Status
1 - GTR2 - Brno 2004 skins 2.7.0.0
2 - GTL - Nurburgring Sprint
3 - Race07 - Radical (SR4, 205 BHP) @ CURITIBA 07

Server is indeed on Kyalami, the website isn't :P

Got fed up with the Bimmer, feels like a truck with overweight. Went back to the Escort as the GT40 felt awfull as well and me and the 911 do not go hand in hand :P

Ruskus, as long as we know which car to let by in the race :laugh:

Thanks - it all depends on my ISP sorting out my connection.  :taz: Seemed fine last night ping of 29 to 30 even at 2115 when it's been absolute crap - around 200 with 10 to 12 errors in 10 samples.  :wetfish: Hence all my lag and exits from qualifying.  Today not too good ping of about 70 - par for time of day, see what it's like tonight.  :helpsmilie:

It's very difficult to drive with all my fingers and legs crossed.  :eek:

Bill

anyone getting any joy with the GT40 around here?

I cant see how its competitive compared to the 76 cars with their much better grip and handling  ???
I cant break below 1:30 in the GT40 but im doing 1:27 mid in the 911

It would have made a great track for a GT40 only race, even though it understeers like the QE2.

I don't know if it's just because I was driving the radicals in race for ages, but I had a go on this yesterday and thought the cars understeered alot more than I was expecting. What's the best things to change in the setup for less understeer and some controllable oversteer? I tried a few things but thought I'd ask the 'know it alls' experts! :D

guess the first thing to do to tame the understeer would be to soften the front and stiffen the rear of the car through either the anti-roll bars or the springs or both.
Unless its a bumpy track, you could lower the fronts bump and rebound dampers to 1 too.

Diff wise, lower the power setting to bring in some 'lift-off throttle' oversteer, which will help turn the nose in.

Thanks, I tried lowering the power diff but I was wondering whether it is best to increase or decrease the coast diff? I would have thought decreasing this would give more lift off oversteer too - is that right?

Yes. Low coast gives lift off oversteer and better turn in. It makes braking more unstable tho. Power gives positive throttle understeer. I usually run around P40 C20.

Also increase caster for better turn in, and make the difference in ride height bigger (rear higher).

Not sure joy is the right word ;) No matter what I do the GT40 remains allergic to corners, especially ruddy T2. Still, its a challenge alright and sure enough my best of low 29's isn't gonna get me near sharp end of grid. I'll have some fun if others take it though. How can you resist the chance to take the GT off the clock?

Nice track by the way :)

Looks like I might not make it for the last race in my BMW :(

Power supply on PC is F'ed and it won't boot.

I'm gonna try to move GTL over to my other PC in the home, I just have to make sure I have all the right files argghgh

Jeb good luck with the move mate, that's a sh1tter about ya power supply, hope you can make it for the season finale..

Jeff, Baracus etc, when you're setting up your cars for a new track, what's the first thing you look for setup wise...do you do it with trailbraking in mind? I mess with settings and have a vague understanding of what stuff does in the setup screens but I think i'm just compensating to make it easier for me to go around with a slow driving style.

A bit vague this I know but I'd really appreciate some direction on what to practice for next season, just some pointers on what you guys look for in good setups mainly.

Right now i'm kind of looking for a responsive turn in and finely balanced/ twitchy rear  ( :laugh:) under braking, so when I turn in, i'm trying to blend out of the brakes onto the throttle with a bit of weight shift. I get the feeling I often carry too much speed in on entry and although I try to keep it smooth, it doesn't look or feel as effortless as when i watch you aliens. And I can't accept the  alien thing  ;D

Might be worthy of a separate thread this....

Cheers,

J

one thing i have to discipline myself with in GTL racing is braking a lot earlier than you'd think to get the angle/line better for the apex and for a faster exit. Its hard initially, when i spend most race time with the better braking modern GT's. But if you try late braking in most of the GTL cars (unless your an alien) then the car just gets all out of shape and you either lose more time than necessary or end up in a spin.

Simple...oversteer  ;D.

Use steering lock between 30-34,5.
Brake bias as much to the rear as possible, that you get a slight twitchy ass.
Maximum caster
Quite a lot of camber
Soft front and hard rear (the way FreQ likes it for real  :lol:)
Low coast (around 20) and not too high power (around 40).
And ofcourse, but this is not a setup tweak, use manual clutch to get better braking and accelerating.

This PC wouldn't load a while ago, it just switched itself off as soon as it was switched on. Turned out the motherboard had fried. :o
As long as it's only the PSU it's cheap enough to replace. Bad timing though. :-\

Interesting stuff, and as relevant to the Schnitzer BMW as to the GT40.  They both understeer like pigs.  I'm just discovering the joys of higher steering lock.  Was in a race at Sebring in the Beemer last night and a change of lock from 20 to 22 made the car feel much more positive.  Much higher steering lock may take a bit of getting used to, but I'm going to try a lock value more like Jeff's tonight.  Beware the Legends beemer careering off track in practice   :P

Gotta try something, I'm stuck sneaking just below 1:28 in the big barge.

Along with the Team Prodigy Beamer as well. ;D

I usually run with about 18^o of steering lock, I think I'm using more on the BMW though.

Just note that steering lock is also a controller thing. I use 400 degrees of rotation, so high steering lock ingame for me will be less sensitive than someone who as 270 degrees for example. It's just nice to have that high steering lock, as you can control the car by making very small adjustments so that you don't get caught out and have to make one big adjustment. However, if you ever need yo do that, you've got the steering lock to catch the drift and ride it out ;D

Good point Ruskus, the wheel I use has 90^o of rotation each way, so it shouldn't need too much lock.

The D1 mod for rFactor had 60^o of lock as standard and I couldn't control it. I had to drop it to 25^o to be able to finish a lap. :-[

Cheers Jeff, believe it or not that was actually a massive help.   ;D

I know I won't be doing blistering times instantly but kinda feels like the penny has dropped and I know what to practice again now. Thanks very much, i'll give you a wave when i sail past.....backwards into the boonies ;)

The steering setting found in the garage screen of GTL has puzzled me for a while. I have a G25 wheel and only want to make small turns with my wheel to perform large turns on screen i.e. what I would call high sensitivity. Unfortunately I have a weak wrist and it actualy hurts if I have to make a sudden large radius turn with the wheel without moving my hands. Should I increase or decrease the value on screen to facilitate smaller wheel movements?

By the sound of it you should either increase the steering lock on the garage menu, or change the maximum rotation on the settings for the G25.

Do you find the manual clutch makes a difference? Also do you mean manual clutch and physically use a clutch pedal (which I don't have:()?

I'd be interested to know how much you gain a lap with a manual compaired to automatic clutch (if you can be bothered testing!). Do you aliens use left foot braking or heel and toeing or any of these tricks?

In order to get more sensitivity you can increase ingame steering lock, and by decreasing the controller's maximum rotation, you'll get more sensitivity. It's always best to keep steering sensitivity to 50% ingame or else it will feel totally wrong. So changing that with steering lock and max rotations is better.


It does make a difference. You can use braking and throttle more for steeringpurpose. Acceleration is better because the power doesn't get cut when shifting and you can engine brake more to stop quicker.
I have a G25 but for shifts I don't clutch, I only blip on downshifts. So I don't heel/toe, which I tried, but was almost impossible with a G25 for me.

Beware that manual clutch does kill your engine quicker. I don't find that a problem with GTL as those engines seem bullitproof (escept for some), but it's more an issue with GTR2's endurance races.

Just done a quick test of the GT40, I got to 1.29.4, with basic setup, so a sub 29 is definately possible, although its almost as much hard work as the Escort!

Sorry - missed time to go to this thread until now.

Setups - i'm no expert by a long shot. If its a new car to me (like tonight! I haven't really driven any of these very much but as much as it pains me to say it. I might have to go against all my natural urges and drive a 911!!) I usually download a few setups from online and see which feels best, then tweak it a very little bit, usually by diff changes as I find that has the most effect.

I have my wheel at 450 degrees (G25) and usually run with between 24 and 34 lock depending on the car. Porsche 906 I have the lower lock becuase its twitchy enough anyway!

No sure how the 911 will be as really I have only driven it once before, but I don't think I will get on with the other cars here either, at least the 911 will go around those uphill left handers nicely - I hope!

Definatley agree that soft front / hard rear is the way to go generally. In the Alfa in P&G mod its the only way I could get any speed out if it to do an extreme variation of this principle.

See you in a bit :)

Just tried to join practice server, but the menu shows Imola and when i try to join, i get the message saying 'cannot join - track not installed'.

Anyone else have this issue?

That means you don't have the track installed. 14 people on the server now.

You don't have the right track installed. See earlier in this thread...

doh! I was wondering why people were posting sub 1.29 lap times, and i was only managing 1.55's!

Sorry Tinman, 
Was just a fraction too late with breaking causing to hit your back at the end of the straight.... my apologies.  :-[
After that I lost concentration and wrecked my car . 

And I just had such a good feeling about the track/car......

so , first season for me and still a lot to learn.  tips are welcome ;)

What a frustrating 'race'. I was hit in the rear at the start,spinning me and losing my spoiler. Got back into the race and just as I was getting back into a rythmn I was rear-ended again. Ah well, such are the vagaries of racing.By next week I should have taken delivery of my Gameracer Elite chassis - hope I don't bend that!!!

TC

What a flippin' berk!  ;D

Just before the pit straight kink reaching for a drink, I think I must have hit a button that changed the car view to the car ahead (Mark McLean), but I had no idea what that button was, so I really don't know what my car was doing for the lap and a half I was riding with Mark   :o  Very sorry if my self-driving car got in anyone's way. 

Random button pressing eventually took me back to my car sitting off circuit behind the pits - how did it get there   ???  In the meantime I'd picked up a stop/go so I assume the car drove itself into the pitlane.  Madness.   :D

Didn't have the heart to carry on much after that.  Been a pretty miserable season mostly for me, roll on S5.   ;)

Whahahahahaha the irony of my words  :lol:

Was happy when I did a 1:26.6 in qually and thought that'd be my max, so I stayed in and just wait for the end. But I then thought I'd better get a rythm before the race and I was surprised to drop into the low 26 just before the end.
My first gear was very long, so in order to get off the line I had to rev it a lot, causing massive wheelspin. And it was either wheelspin or very low revs.

So my start was very poor and was overtaken by few cars. Had some cracking battles with Simon, Mark and the two poodle guys. Great fun battling Porka dudes with an Escort.

Was having a blast untill....yes...the engine blew  :gun_bandana: . I knew the Escort was unreliable, heck every American thing is unreliable, but I didn't think it would be this bad :). Never reached max revs on straight, but I think using 1st did it.

By the looks of it the GS guys took the teamchamp from coming 14 points down  :o. Well done.
It's like TS weren't allowed to win the teamchamp, with me blowing an engine and Simon having bad luck in lap 2  ;).

Very fun season and can't wait for more of this next season. Thanks Simon for all the great car/track combo's  :notworthy: :clap:

Well... first a stop/go for false start, then a penalty for speeding and then another one for speeding in the pitlane  :(

Stupid, stupid, stupid... must have been :sleep1:

.. and then I could collect all the bits and spoilers at the end of the grid  ;D

Yes, of course... thanks to all who made this series possible!!

Oh, thanks to 3 guys infront of Simon not being hooked up with a team, Team Shark wins the team championship by 1 point over GhostSpeed   :w00t:

Well I made a right Danny Pedrosa of that.

Crashed into Wiltshire Tony on turn1 of the first lap. :-[ I forgot the tyres were cold and braked too late. Sorry Tony. :-[

Then I was going fine until I swerved to avoid a near-stationary car on the middle of the start/finish straight, the car started spinning...and I ended up hitting the wall at turn 1. I don't know whether I'd destroyed the engine or stalled, but I could get NO power. And I couldn't remember what the Ignition key is. ::) I race with Auto Clutch so I don't know if you can stall. ???

Well done to mr_oily, 5th in the last race of the season. :clap:

Unofficial Lapchart (http://lapcharts.simracing.org.uk/Lapcharts/GTL Kyalami 31-01-2008/index.html)

Firstly, well done to GS on the 1-2 in the race.

Secondly...yeee haaa! :cowboy: Team Shark finally won the Team Championship in UKGTL. I thought Ghostspeed had won it after their 1-2 and Jeff's engine blowout, but because 3 of the guys ahead of me tonight don't run in a team I get more team points and JUST enough to give Team Shark the championship by a SINGLE point. Yeeee haaaa!

I think I'll retire now, can't top that. ;D

Well done Jeff on the drivers championship and to Baracus and Pribeiro on the championship podium. :thumbup2:

Also many thanks to everyone for turning up this season to make another good UKGTL season. Seriously impressive grid sizes and I wish SBG and Bob the very best in organising Season 5. I know they've been doing a lot behind the scenes in preparation, so good luck with that.

First of all, Thank you Simon. You just did a superb job, very cool tracks and cars choice.  :-*
Congratulations Jeff, a very deserved championship wining.  :alien:
And also to my team mate Baracus for the vice Champ.  :alien:
As for the race itself, i managed to get the pole  :eek: and doing 5 laps beetween 1.25.7
and 1.26.2  :yes:
First 30-35 minutes were amazing with Baracus pressuring me all over the track (even on grass)  :P
i only had time to breath on the S/F straight, where i could win half a second there.  ;D
But after 25 minutes i began to loose the front grip and Bara overtook me and more, he got a gap
of 1 second per lap after.  :sweatdrop:
Dont know what happened with the fuel as i put for 41 minutes and finished with
a quarter of tank and feeling a bit heavy :detective:
Thanks all for the fun.   :punk:
We are waiting for next one.  ;)
Congrats Team Shark, well done  :)Congrats to GS team aswell

Cheers

That was so funny. Just read it out loud to me missus and she's creased up with lafter. Oh that is priceless.  :clap:

Heh, well, that didn't go so well.  :D

After practice server I thought I could hang at the front, but during qually I quickly saw that wasn't to be, with guys putting in 25s.

Got a decent start, and almost everybody else, besides PR and Bara got a not so great start. Hanging in there, just gotta draft these guys, maybe I can stay with em.

Fat chance.

Lost sight of the guys in front, but soon I had first one POODLE Porsche behind me, a red one, then a silver one took it's place. I was clearly holding you guys up, but BMW power kept me ahead. On the flipside there was a striking difference in cornerspeed. While I was struggling to get the damn thing to turn, I felt like the car behind just zoomed from halfway down the preceding straight, right up to fill my entire mirror. Probably wasn't so far behind of course, but that's what it felt like. Especiallly T 4, 5, and 6b, chicane exit side. Must ahve been frustrating driving behind, having to slow down in corners only to be left behind on the straights. But that's what it is like, power vs control.

I spent way too much time looking in my mirror and using the look back button to check who all made an appearance behind me  ;D, as I did my best to maintain the inside line. At some point I should have been looking forward, got a nasty spin and was unable to correct it. Did a few 360s against the fence, ensuring I lost all spoilers and messed up, well, everything. Got back on track, in 7th now I think, but the car was all wobbly, turned even less then before, so I decided to get it fixed and enjoy a good few last laps of driving instead of driving for position.

After spending an age in the pit with hammers klanking away at my car, I finally got back on track. But of course I got told I had been speeding in the pitlane, so right back in for a stop and go. Only my guy wasn't there, and the following lap I got DQ'd.

Oh well, can't win em all, and sometimes you can't win at all. Just getting to the finish line in one piece would have felt like a little bit of victory. At least I got farther then lap 3 this time.



Hey Pribeiro, you wouldn't want to share that setup of yours would you? I'd be interested to see if I could do better with your setup then I did with mine. 25's on racefuel....damn. Nice one.



Congrats to Baracus and podium, and sorry Keith and Andy, for holding you guys up for so long. You sure put the pressure on, and I did make that mistake in the end. Still, held on for a good while at least, some small comfort in that  :)

Basically ruined my race by picking my  chuffing long 5th gear test race setup instead of the long 1st setup....numpty, which basically meant I got mugged mercilessly on the main straight by every damn car!! ::)
Had a good scrap with Simon and MJ but got mugged on straight and tried to hard in the twisties which meant too many little errors and places lost.  :(
Still managed a pb in quali and the quali setup was nice and stable (so was the unpicked race one  ::) )
A lacklustre ending to what may be my last full season of GTL due to being put back on a 3 shift pattern, so only 1 in 3 races from now on :'(

Grats to the podium and champ winners, and I'm very happy that Dan and myself have got 3rd in the team championship too. ;D

PS I love the Escort tbh, got a nice balanced setup and was nice to drive here tonight.

Enjoyable race there.  Not a great start off the line.  Made 2 mistakes but after that there was some battles to be had with Kieth and Jeff.  Happy with 3rd considering i qualified in 8th.

Looking forward to the new season and cheers to the admins who make it happen :thumbup1:

Congrats to Baracus and PR

Sure Mike, i uploaded the setup, with the follow name:
PR CSL SCHNITZER KYALAMI 79

Cheers

hmmm... was it a red/white Schnitzer BMW? Somewhere halfway the game froze up for a couple of secs. Was just about to ESC when the whole thing started to move again...

Strange...  :wacko:

i had a race eve of mixed fortunes.

Got into qually late on and had my concentration totally destroyed by someone 'appearing' to blatantly run me off the track when i was heading uphill for my first flying lap. Unless my car was invisible to said person i cannot forgive what they did, as they made no attempt to go around me, just whacked me up the arse and then peeled off into pitlane. It totally ruined my first lap as all momentum was now lost for the long s/f straight but worse it made me so angry that i got a total red mist,lost all concentration and promptly screwed up my last few remaining flying laps of the 8 mins left of qually. My qual time ended up 3 whole seconds off my normal race lap times and i qualied in a crap 25th? out of 27 runners  >:(

Fortunately the race was a lot more pleasant! I managed to get away okay off the line and pick my way through some carnage up ahead at T1 and T2 without collecting any debris or spinning cars, despite being in the middle of about 5 cars all doing the same  :o Got around to that tight left hander up the inside of Evert but as he turned in or got out of shape? he came across my bow and a gentle nudge was enough to turn him right around, so big apology for that. :-[
The rest of the race was a blast, having some great battles on my way upto top 10, particulary with Madd and Blunder Mason. Had contact with Mason, and he fell back a little for a lap but i slowed and allowed him back past on next lap at T2 as didnt want to gain a place that way. :euro:
 I should have had a good fight with Simon too except my missus decided to do unmentionable things around me to put me off for a laugh...Italians  ::) until i lost my sense of humour and told she just cost me a second or so to allow an arch rival team to close and pass  :P...think he was quicker than me anyway  ;)
Got upto 8th or 9th? at one point after getting past Blunder but a lap later ran wide at one corner whilst chasing Syd Drake, allowing him back through. Attacked him again near end whilst fending off Madd but he scampered home in front. Nice duels gents  8)

Thanks to Simon for a cracking selection of tracks and car choices this season. Great turn outs too  :thumbup1:
Not a lot of spare time over xmas and since has borked my classics racing and practising but still enjoyed it when possible.
Looking forward to the next season under new management  :thumbup2:

In no particular order:-
1st; Thanks to the SRou staffers for organising the series - great fun / great selections! Your time is hugely appreciated :)
2nd; Congratulations to Jeff for your Championship (you bugger)  :P
3rd; Well done Team Shark for beating us by ONE POXY POINT! Gutted ;)
4th; Thank you to everyone that attended this season for making GTL great again!
5th; Bring on S5!! :-D

Race:-
Very nice race nose to tail with PR for over half the laps, I could get onto his bumper every time at the last right bend, but he would scamper off along the straight. Then he had an unlucky coming together with backmarker and lost his splitter and I could instantly see he was in trouble. I wished we could have done a formation finish but it wasn't to be. PR drove well under pressure (well, it is a race even ho we are team mates ;) ) and deserved the win tbh so I was lucky. I seem to have conquered my fear/hatred of the 911 handling too :)

Championship:-
Well, close but no cigar. I messed up a fair few races early in the season through lack of concentration basically - and that was where it all went wrong for me. Oh and missed a round coz of Xmas shopping hehe.

Was good fun battling Jeff though, as I have no chance against him in GTR cars yet! At least I won in the Ferrari race (Brands) :P That's some consolation anywayz.

Take care all and see you on track soon :)

Great!  But..umm, sorry, I don't know where or how I can download it?

Ingame, goto garage, online files, scroll to the kyalami 79 folder and look his setup up :)

Oh, ingame  :oops:

But, it's not there. Not in the other Kyalami version folder either  ???

Excellent season, hearty thanks to the organisers for their time and effort.

Lets see what the next season brings.

So close but yet so far. Started off well, moving from 15th on the grid up to 9th, and then a series of stupid stupid mistakes, including gearing down to 1st gear on turn 1, and seeing people fly past me and drop back down the grid. Then spun on the final turn across the infield, and dropped back down to 20th  :'(.
Got back up to 15th but had a moment with Ossie  :laugh: no worries mate - my race was a disaster long before that anyway.
I think i have learnt a bit more this season, moving up the grid a little. Just got to get the set-up's perfected a bit more.
But, a good start for Prodigy - not a bad finish for the first season of racing - hopefully we can be more competetive next season.
Thanks to all that raced, and some great car/track combo's.

Think last night belonged to the GS boys, brilliant pace and 1,2  :). Season does however, just ;), belong to Ruskus and the Team Teeth. Its nice for them to win something for a change :angel:. Congrats to you all.

That said and done, GT40 and GTC honours go to me last night :). Loved to have given maybe MJ or Shark a stiffer challenge but they were too good under braking. This last race was pretty representative of season as a whole. Got a funny, cause it put me on me front two wheels for 100 yards, rear end shunt near start and then things improved as race went on. Nice battle with Everts rather battered bimmer to end.

Thanks to Simon for putting in so much work behind the scenes. And I hope we can continue your ouststanding work (might need your help at times, sir   :)).

Driving wise, my most enjoyable race by a long shot despite an early coming together on lap 2 which saw me back down in 15th. Definitely a marked improvement from the start of the season, roll on L5  ;D

First season of online racing and its been an absolute blinder, cheers Tony for letting me join the boys in green and just to reiterate everyone else's comments, a big thanks to the organisers for sticking the time in to run a professional show. 

Grats to the Kyalami top three and bigups Ruskus, a well deserved championship.  8)

I'm glad people had a good time racing in UKGTL as having some enjoyment is why we all do it. It's nice to hear all the positive feedback thanks.

I'm sure you and Bob will do a good job next season and you know my assistance is here if you need it.

Big thanks to Simon for some really great track and car choices, I think they were excellent, even if my incompetence and bad luck weren't up to performing on them.   ;D

When I joined partway through season 2 the grids were of the 14-17 size, so the increased grid sizes are testament to the hard work Simon and others have put in.  Be great to see it continue to attract good racers unders our new lords and masters.   :D

And I think we all owe the moderators a lot, a time consuming and sometimes unpopular job, but what a job they've done this season getting everything out so fast.  Way to go guys.   8)

Yep great car/ track choices all season, really kept the challenge fresh.

Did it occur to me on the way into work this morning that it might be a giggle to have an Abarth or Mini shoot-out at some point next season but i'm guessing that falls outside the car classes?

hows that race seat coming along mr Oily? Still highly rate it? Cant wait to get one myself  8)

Mate its awesome, seriously, now the pain of the purchase has subsided a bit i'm absolutely loving it.  :thumbup1:

Had a brief moment of panic when i started to get back ache again but turned out I'd just started slumping a bit, a quick re-adjustment and the driving position is perfect and pain free...and trust me, i've put some hours in of late!

The way they've handled the pedals is sweet, you clamp them down tight and have a handy little ledge to rest your feet on for that perfect pedal motion.  ;D

Anyway I could go on but i'm gonna start p1ssing people off so to cut a long one short, other than the fact I chose white and i'm permanently paranoid, there's no negatives to report all.

Just need the buckage for the G25 and i'll be sufficiently pimped.  O0

See at laguna Seca folder Mike, as i got from my setup there, with a few adjustments  :)
Sorry i didnt mentioned that before (forgot)  :P

Yes, it was a Red and White BMW. It did seem that the car had just sort of paused, so that was probably it. I suppose I shouldn't have kept accelerating when I swerved... :oops:


Sounds good to me. ;D

hehe, got to add, coming from my unusually low place of 25th? on the grid, coming around T1 and T2 reminded me of the movie 'days of thunder'  ;D ...it was a case of peering through the tyre smoke and debris that littered the track and hope nothing was sliding back across the racing line  :o

I noticed you had a very efficient get away off the line Tibs, do you use manual clutch? I saw you bombing down the middle of a pack of 5 or so of us and remember thinking 'hope his brakings good'  :)

Another aside....how flipping cool did that South African dusk sky look as you headed up the hill towards the pit straight?  8) and then downhill towards T1 & 2 the clouds looked ominous.
I am so glad we started using add-on tracks and variable lighting. Superb  8)

Looking forward to the new bosses hard work and imagination  8)

Your obviously the kinda guy who can dig atmosphere. Well next time you are practising a circuit and maybe having a race with the ai set the time option to "10x" and start your race at about 14:00. You may have to experiment a bit but sometimes you can do the whole gamut of Afternoon sun, dusk,night, dawn, Morning. Looks realy cool.

Oh and Tibs's braking wasn't quite that good  ::)

yes Tony, i've done the timescale stuff with GTL league races over at TPG a couple of seasons back.
It always looked awesome with the changing light conditions, really adding to the atmosphere for races, hence why i am always championing it over here. Lets hope the new management feel the same  ;)

If you like your classics and atmospheric lighting, try the Group C mod at spa with dusk or night lighting and be amazed, its drool-worthy  :drool:  or even GTL at Spa through Eau rouge at dusk...bellisimo  8)

Just reminded me, when we all got on the grid for the race start, i thought it was going to be a '1 lap then pit for wet tires' scenario - i then remembered "this is not GTR2!"
But yes, the lighting was beutiful - does add to the atmosphere.
I keep thinking of all the great racing sims and games i've driven in the past over the years, and its the small bits like this that make it memorable, aswell as the people here  8).

Something to remember for future seasons mod type dudes... ;)

:oops: I blame cold tyres. Really it serves me right for not keeping a 2 second distance. :-[


I use Auto Clutch. My starts are very hit and miss, I either have a great start, or I miss the lights. :D That's why I like the fact they use Standing starts for GTL. It's another skill for the driver to learn.

I managed to end up in first by the first corner in the RFC VORRA Buggies championship races, despite qualifying in last. I then managed to end up in last again by the end of the lap. :-\


I agree. :) It looks much better, especially now I've managed to tweak GTL so I can get an extra 5-10 FPS even using DX8 instead of DX7. ;D Basically I set the GTL.exe process in Task Manager to use both the main core and HT, and set it to high priority.

That and I moved the folders off my desktop and put them in my documents. I had all the GTL GTR2 and rFactor files on my desktop, so I had 20+ GB of files there. :o The PC's now running a bit faster.

Having since discovered on viewing the replay that I lightly clipped a car right off the start causing them to spin, and so have put in an incident report against myself, I would like all moderators to know that I was NOT making a pathetic attempt to butter you up and avoid penalty.   :D

Ditto ;)


Might not be a bad idea, as I have been giving particular attention to the starts. And by reporting you have gained the right to appeal. And if the victim still doesn't report it you won't get any penalties.