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Practice 1: 20:10 (10 mins)
Practice 2: 20:20 (10 mins)
Qual 2: 20:30 (25 mins)
Race: 20:55 (40 minutes) note: no warmup
 

Cars Allowed:Porsche 996 Cup (811), Viper CC or BMW Z3M from UKGTR skinpack
Weather Dry
Track: Hockenheim (GP)
Race Start Times Race 01 14:00


Server UKGTR GT3CUP

Notes:
1) Normal UKGTR Enduro/Sprint starting procedure.
2) Normal UKGTR rules will be in force.

Server UKGTR GT3CUP

Password: normal pracci pw (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2929)

Even if I'm over todays episode, you have picked champions league night. It's Celtic V. Benfica for me

Cool, Vipers against Porka's again  8). Easy pick for me  :D

Hooray, Vipers @ hock!

Don't pick the Porker's peeps...they'll get murdered on the straights!

And me :). Wouldn't have thought the 811 would get murdered around here?

The Vipers will all be seriously short of rubber by about 25 minutes though! :o ;D

Well, I'll probably choose a porker as it's fun to drive and Viper CC is not. For me.  :)

TT

They'll probably will in the first sector, but not in the stadium, and as Dave said, they'll have no tires after lap 2  :P

Any ideas for set-up & tyre choice for 811 tonight?

I'm gonna stick to my lovely Viper.....so Tyres for the 811.....soft wets....set up....wing 1....springs 600 front, 100 rear....and fuel for not enough laps. ;)

Not tried the CC at Hock, but GTR2Rank shows it a couple of seconds faster per lap  :o

Between equal drivers, the CC should always be quicker, although as the corners get faster the more the CC will suffer. It's places like Spa where the gap will be close rather than the tracks with slow corners.

What seems to get ignored is the fact that the CC should normally qualify ahead, and once in that position it is almost impossible to pass in a Cup car without a mistake or a pitstop. IMO the CC should have a lot more ballast (or the others a lot less). Btw, it isn't just the CC that struggles with tyres - the Cup car is really struggling with overheating rears at Hock.

The ballast is there for endurance reasons, not created for sprints IIRC. And the CC is not fastest on every track.

And besides, nobody is forcing anyone to pick the Porka.

I know, but this race is a sprint and the implication is that the cars are well matched.


Care to name a few where it isn't? From what I can see it is quite close to the Cup car on a few tracks and faster on the rest.


No, but I'd like to because I prefer to drive it, but doing so when you have no chance to win is a bit demoralising. Saying nobody is forced to drive a car is rather missing the point, as I'm sure you'd agree that having roughly competitve cars is what most people want.

Your're right of course. However trying to get past the Viper has provided some of the highlights of my racing here  :). Swings and roundabouts but I'm confident I'll knock off a couple of Vipers tonight (well Pseudo anyways  ;)).

Please lets not have another debate about ballasting here. This is a FUN race  :)

 :fencing: :tank:......You will never get past'ie' me tonight Ginger  :P

....Be better if you kept it clean though  ;D

What times are expected here tonight anybody?

Have been looking at the rankings and R2P but there aren't any times listed for these cars.

Just had 1/2 hour praccy and doing high 1:46 low 1:47 in race setup ????

On GTR2 Rank the Vipers are doing 1:42s and the Porkers 1:44s

I'll be aiming for low 1:46s in my Porker...  :-[

Thanks Darren....better go do another 1/2 hour then  ;)

It's a sprint yes, but a funrace, and therefore ballasting is not an issue IMO.

Every track which is twisty and has no real straights. Adria for once, but I can mention a few more if needed.



If you like the Porka, take it. Some like the Viper, not because it's the fastest, but the most fun to drive, and it is a fun race.

I reckon you'll go faster than that mate, I've been running low 46's, and your way faster than me :)

Having said that, that was offline, with quali set-up, & no fuel (habit of mine ;D) so I'll prolly run high 50's tonight :laugh:

The CC is at least as fast as the cup car at Adria - Ossie had pole and fastest lap in the LE race. My best cup lap is a 1.16.4 and I matched it in the CC after about 6 laps. Pretty much every track I've driven a CC it is faster or at least as fast, which means it starts in front. After that you need to make a big mistake to lose the place.

I suppose it depends what your definition of fun is. If it is buggering off into the distance on your own then I hope you enjoy it. I've nothing against the CC or those that like it, and in an endurance race it makes some sense to match it against a Cup car, but in a sprint it is a mismatch and an exercise in frustration for a cup car driver - that part of it is not that much fun really. I'll be there tonight trying to have fun in one way or another though  :P

I reckon both the porka cup and the VCC are pretty even...yes the CC is faster...big engine, but it turns like a narrowboat, eats rubber for fun and guzzles juice at an alarming rate, even in a sprint.

The porka is much more nimble, lighter, easier on fuel and rubber etc.

The differences show more on endurance, where the Viper struggles against the cup, the advantage is prolly slightly with the CC in sprint.

The races we have had so far this season in the lower endurance GT3 class have been excellent, with none of the above cars having a clear advantage over the other and there has been some pretty good racing, mainly due to the differences mentioned.

Last nights races at Laguna...CC vs Cup were great...2 x 20 mins super sprints....should have been a huge advantage to the viper if what you say is true Paul, but looking at the results tells a different story. Ok Vipers were 1st & 2nd in both races, but that was the drivers more than the cars, but look at the times.....no more than 1.5 seconds seperating the vast majority.

At the end of the day, it's driver skill that counts more between these two cars....(why else do you think SBG keeps beating me  ;D)

Regarding Adria and similar tracks....It was a little suprising to find the VCC as competetive as it was against the Cup car. But I have a theory.

The vast majority of corners at Adria are pretty slow ones, there is only turn 1 really that could be classed as a fast one. This means that all the cars tend to go round them at similar speeds..the CC turns ok at slower speeds. However, the fast 'sprints' between each turn tend to favour the CC due to it's power and acceleration negating the cornering advantage of the Cup.

Oh man!!! :(
Computer wigged out! It's never done that before. Suddenly went into slideshow (1 frame every 20 seconds!) and I couldn't press ESC or ALT-Tab or anything! So sorry if it caused any problems for anyone behind me :(

I was really getting into that too...

Was weird - I had kind of big purple and blue blotches where the windscreen should have been, then 1 frame I was in the wall and could see my (I think) engine w/no bonnet.

Gutted :( :taz:

Doh!  It helps if you read the race info before joining.  ;D

Started the race with only 20 minutes worth of fuel and I was spot on.   ;)

The race was great fun while it lasted thanks to a great battle with PRibero (great driving mate).  Unfortunately it had to come to an end when the fuel ran out.  Blasting around the the final bend the engine coughed and spluttered causing the back end to fish tale out of control, sending me flying head first into the barrier.  :thumbup2:

RACE OVER.  ;D 

Congrats Ruskus  ;)
Another great race. Lots of fun.
First fight with Darren was great with almost side by side braking points.
Then a cool batlle with Psuedo and finally a nice, but hard duel with Dave.
I think i am forgeting someone, so, im sorry.  :P

Cheers

Shame that Bara as we looked to be evenly matched :'(

Maybe Paul was right there. The vipers of John, Pseudo and Piccers did my head in :) You had to do a BTCC move to get past them and then they just whizz past on straights. I needed some of them Benh Hurr type spikes on the wheels to nobble them on the straights ;). Still, much fun, including mandatory punt on pseudo ;) and running out of gas with two corners to go. Its good to be back racing and I hope the ruddy Vipers have to make 3 stops for tyres in the Enduro.

Congrats to JR and our Paul for fine performances  :angel:

Man that Viper consumes. Both tires and fuel.

At the beginning it was fine. I was worried, as the timer didn't start behind the Safety Car, and I consumed 25L in the first 10 minutes, which should have been 22,5L. The gap between FreQ and me was 3.1s at that time, so I tried to keep it at that and not push too hard to try and increase. Fuelconsumption went down and I was safe till the finish.
I started with 4L more than FreQ, and finished with 2L less than him  ;D. Also had a tire wear if 28  ::)

You sent me into a pannick,i came round the 1st corner watching you infront,you just seemed to stop,so i slammed on the anchors and went straight into the back of you,and then through you.They must of crapped them selves behind me.

Apologies to TT and Mark for the shunt.I had no where to go.Mark broke earlier than usually and i had to slam on the brakes(locking them up)and try to make an evasive manoeuvre.Which obviously failed.

Results are up top and replays in the 'replays' tab.... :)

Well I think I proved Paul's point about the Viper  :-\ Put softs on and took fuel out for a run near the end of qual and somehow got 4th. For the race I was concerned about tyre wear so ran with hards all round, and of course with the extra fuel was no where near that qual time. The porka's had numerous runs and Mark got passed me briefly once. Sadly I was so slow through some corners, especially the hairpin out the back, that I caused at least one concertina type accident I think.

Thanks to all those who chased me down and battled very fairly. Sorry I cheated and took the better car ;)

Enjoyed some good battles early on...especially with Pribeiro...I made my usual error though and let him through too easy....started catching him again (slightly) only to throw it into a wall avoiding Baracus's stationary Z3...on my own for much of the race after that but still enjoyed it.

The enduro is going to be tough in the Viper...tyres were shredded after 25 mins....lets just hope it rains alot  ;D

Grats Jeff and podiums...great racing again.

Dunno about the Viper being better than the porka here though...still not convinced.  :D

Forget the top two mega aliens times ;D....and there is about 1 6/10ths of a second between 3rd and last qualifier. That sounds pretty evenly balanced to me.

The gap from 3rd to last in qual was actually about 2 seconds, which in the GT3 class is quite a bit. Normally, in equal cars, I'd be battling Freq and hoping to get close to JR, but that was never going to happen. They both did 43s in the race, which is about a second faster than the best Cup time on GTR2Rank (and also my best qual time). They disappeared up the road about the same rate as Pete dropped back, so the only car I really saw all race was Stew when I lapped him. Freq was 22 secs ahead and Pete 32 behind at the finish. Overall, not much of a race and not that much fun either  :( Wish I'd taken the Beemer now.

And me as I would have had 3rd  ;D

The main reason I didn't was because of the F****g Vipers! Trying to pass one with 390 HP is hard enough, but in the Z3 it would be almost impossible  :wheelchair:

Would you have been able to live with the shame Pete?  ;)

Crikey, I saw you go off and I assumed that either you'd disco'd, hit an invisible post, or had a controller failure - never seen running out of fuel cause a car to turn so hard and so suddenly. :o

Interesting race for me and good practice for the enduro; after the comedy pace lap I was worried about fuel so I was trying to be frugal. SbG managed to get his 811 alongside going into the stadium area and I didn't quite leave enough room on the right and we made contact with me spinning off to the left and down the order.

Soon caught a few cars up and soon I was firmly entrenched on the back of the PRibeiro/Darren battle. Figuring I had to get by them fairly quickly as my tyres were already past their best, at one point I pulled out to the right to look down the inside of Darren, only to find him pulling out a bit to look down the inside of PR. :o He left me enough room but I couldn't get it stopped in time to avoid making a little contact :-[, luckily I didn't spin him and we carried on in the same order.

After Darren's untimely exit I hunted PR down and despite starting to struggle managed to get by using the Viper's awesome power on the run down to the hairpin. After that it was a question of trying to keep it neat and tidy on increasingly knackered rubber. The last few laps were really hard work and PR very nearly got by in the final turn of the final lap... nearly...

In the endurance I'm afraid the 811s and any well driven Z3Ms are going to walk it - even if they're stuck behind the Vipers for the first 50 minutes, as soon as we pit they'll be released, and they'll be able to make super quick stops as late in the race as they want.

Lol, John, it was really funny. It took three of you to take me out.  :P  JohnbumpsMarkMarkbumpsTTMarkspinsJohnbumpsTTJohngoesleftSBGbumpsTTandTTspins.  :D
I was close to getting it right after the first two bumps  ::)  then SBG came and did it right so I ended in a lean-to at the fence with nose on the wrong side of the hairpin. Had to back up and by then everybody were gone. 'xept John who waited miserably for me to outtangle (is that a word?) out of the fence.  ;D
I was running 5th, behind Picnic then - hell, I was running behind Picnic most of the race.  :D  Felt like a wolf pack of two hunting a deer as me and Mark changed positon behind Picnic.  ;D  Towards the end the wolfpack was made of four when John and SBG joined. Seems like the pack was too hungry and the deer got away.  ;D  Grats Picnic, you were very stable. I kept waiting for you to make a mistake to exploit. Well, you did make some but recovered before my car came sweating and puffing down the straight and you were gone again. Mark had the same problems - even in the slipstream Viper got away 0,5, even 0,7 seconds on the big straight. Caught throught the corners and the same again, lap after lap.  :)  Good chase.  8)
In the end I quit 'cause of fuel. With three minutes to go I had only 1 lap worth of fuel. Went to pits but decided it was pointless. I thought I loaded enough fuel, counter showed 50 minutes!  :o  Guess the wild hunting took its toll.

TT