SimRacing.org.uk

NGT Sprint Cup - Season 1, Round 3 at Enna Pergusa

Date: Tuesday 26th July

Practice 1: 8:45pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 9:00pm (15 mins)
Warmup: 9:15pm (2 mins)
Race: 9:17pm (30 mins)

Cars allowed: Any NGT car or 911 Bi-Turbo or Mosler or Vertigo or Morgan. (Lotus Elise, BMW Z3M, Porsche GT3 Cup are allowed but will not score points.)

Notes:
(1) Please try to arrive 15 minutes early during Practice 1.
(2) Server Password has been emailed to those registered racers for each championship. Please contact a member of the admin team to get the password if you are registered and have forgotten or not received the password. It will not be given out in the GTR chatroom as that is a public place. The password wont change for the season unless there are security concerns.
(3) See  UKGTR Season 1 Info (http://www.ukgtr.org/series.php?series=103) for general Season 1 info.
(4) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (http://www.ukgtr.org/rules.php)

Sorry, I'll miss this one.  :(

Love this track. Crash barrier-tastic :)

Ahh well, must do better on this one, can't get any worse

Always a good chance of a huge pile-up at Enna through those tyre barriers (Schumacher?), can't beat it  ;D Scares the pants off me every time I go through!

I'll probably have a crack tonight at putting together a 'race' set-up and I'll post some times to benchmark against, I'm finding other people's times really helpful when we do this  :)

Pops

Thats a good idea Pops, I'll start off.

Quickest yet is a 2.44.7 ;)

I think you should practice accelerating  :D

1:39.9 from previous visits, hmm. Think I'm going to try a low downforce approach too and see which is best.

1:40.8 so far with the F360, race setup, but not 100% happy with it yet.  Might try the Monza spec splitter and wing settings next.

Lol - I better not post my time then. You`d think I was in a pedal cart!

Cheers

Rob

Yike, I'm way off the pace; Mike & PaulW around 1:40, my fastest (not even in race trim) is 1:43.4   :o

I'm not going to be able to hold you guys off for long at that pace!  ;)

Urg, your not doing too badly, 1:41.5 is the last time I did (in qual trim), that was quite a long time ago tho, so I'm hoping to chop quite a bit off that quickly.

Fozzmeister

Hmmm, not sure how I got below 1:40 before... and that was with the "fast set-up"  :o

1:40.6 just now. I reckon low-downforce-and-careful-in-the-corners is right for me

1:41.78 - much improved! Amazing what a bit of practice can do eh?

Raced against the AI for 30mins but the best lap I could manage was 1:44.5, bit of work required there I think.

My top-tip is to agree with Paul on lowering the wing a notch or two for some extra straight-line speed.

Don't like this track much, it's very unforgiving  >:(

Pops.

My race pace is pretty much always 3 secs off qual pace, at least until the actual race when I tend to get pushed beyond my comfort zone.


The question is, is it worth a 1 splitter? I'm going to have to start practicing soon.


To death or glory! (even if it is only personal glory)

Fozzmeister

i did 1.40 lastime :)

i will make this one!

Right well im down to 1:40.6 (F360) after about 3 runs on a slightly modified in-game fast (2 notches less front anti-rollbar, lowered by 0.5 and made the fast rebound less, and the slow bump more, only bottomed out 1/3rd of the laps coming off the left right chicane).

I modified that to a 1 splitter, (4 rear wing, something between 5-10psi less air in tires, lowered by 7F 7.5R, softened the fast rebound again by 1 all around, never bottomed out at all) and got to 1:40.3 after about 7 runs.

I think the 1 splitter is slightly quicker but its very slight. I wrote off the car about 5 times as I found it pretty hard to control, although it would be fair to say that the setup certainly wasn't tuned very well, i did feel loss of downforce pushing the car onto the road off the curb so i doubt it will ever become anywhere near as drivable around enna which is so much about curb hopping.

My core feeling is that for the endurance races with the longer qualify it might be wise to run 1 splitter in qualify, for the sprints probably 2 splitter for qual (you really only get 2-3 runs) and race.

Fozzmeister

Thanks for the info. Fozz - useful stuff. I've never changed the splitter setting, mostly beacuse I have no idea what it is! (anyone?)

My main problem with my race set-up was getting the tyre temps up  :-\

Enna doesn't seem very hard on the tyres at all, 30 mins on Soft/Med's was no problem at all, I'm thinking that Soft/Soft is do-able for a 30 min race.

Ooo, interesting. I was planning a soft/med stylee but might try soft/soft.

Down to just under 1:40 now if I absolutely blast through the lap. Knowing me I'll do the usual Q2 perfromance and feck things up with a lap 4 seconds slower though... ;)

I think you're right about the splitter Fozz (basically just front wing Pops!). I'm using 1 front (and 5 rear). Found the car was understeering a little afterwards so I softened up the front anti-rollbar by 1 notch and it's perfect. I'm finding I need lots of brake venting too to get a solid brake at both of the tyre chicanes so using 5.
2 engine vent for qually but will whack that up to 3 or 4 for the race- there is no way I want to drop out of races because I overheated the engine in the pursuit of an extra tenth a lap!

I'm using the first post in this thread for reference- https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=118.0 but essesntially sorting the gears, tyre pressures, wings, vents and then kack handidly trying to play with anything else that might help ;)

Joking aside, Ive never actually driven round Enna before last night, so 2:44 wasnt far off  ;D

Managed to get down to 1:45's now on race fuel load, thats just straight out of the box with a little gear tweaking. Need to play with the suspension 'cos DAMN this track is bumpy (and how high are those bloody kerbs??)

I would think with a little more practice and some tweakage, a 1:43 should be in my reach.

Mrs Wil is away for the weekend, so I'll get some more laps done then :)

Thanks for that link Paul, not seen that before :)

I always seem to be 7-8 secs slower than the race leaders, currently can't better 1:48  :( This is so frustrating, just want to be able to compete.

I'm not sure the bump and rebound descriptions are really very correct there, or at least it's only looked at one aspect of it, and for me the aspect that i've never considered.

Oh and it appears that the comments on it are wrong too. The bump and rebound settings are not soft and hard, they are time based. so on a bump, 1 being the least amount of time is softest, but on a rebound 1 being the least amount of time means that the suspension recovers very quickly.

to have "soft" you would need low bump, high rebound,. or you could just change the springs.

I'll leave it upto the you guys how best to setup a car for getting over those curbs.

Fozzmeister

Not that I'm any expert Jam, but I've seen you improve massively recently  :D Don't forget that the top dogs in UKGTR have been 'hardcore' since Grand Prix Legends was released (in about 1856) so competing at the front is pretty unrealistic for us mid-field'ers.

Try to match up against someone of similar ability (or preferably slightly better) and set yourself some objectives around that. My goals are around top 10 finishes, and trying (completely in vain so far  ;D) to beat PaulW and Fozz (them being a bit better than me).

FWIW, I think consistency is the key at Enna, it's VERY easy to trash the car here and I've a feeling there could be quite a few DNF's on that basism so there could be some easy points to be had by 'just' finishing.

Pops.

Bit better my arse! I couldn't catch you at Magny for a start!

As for intircate suspension discussion, I'll bow out right here. I have had success following the suspension information in that guide but who knows if it's that or a few more lasp that are making things feel better. Still refuse to get into the MOTEC analysis- it's like school all over again ::)

The kerbs are MASSIVE here eh? The only ones I'm actively cutting are the ones at both tyre barriers (big time) and the last little corner complex before the start/finish. At all costs I try to avoid the kerbs in turns one and two- something about the way the car is balanced after the big brake into turn one means I'm right off the track as soon as I touch them.

Yeh they are big the ones at the start, but i cut all but the first two on my quick qualify lap, I think you have to do it masively wheel on the grass, other wheel just on road to get the benifit tho, as your getting two hits further apart, risky as hell. won't be doing it in the race. i might experiment with a "clean" lap at some point :-)

Fozzmeister

Just head over to GTRank and compare our times...  ;)

And I've just seen your 1:38.6 at Enna  :o Nice one!

Jamera - if you want some help with improving your laptime, send me a replay + motec and I'll give you some feedback.

email is [email protected]. I'm away from sat morn till mon lunch, so send it quick if you want a response tonight.

cheers

Paul

PS If any other less experienced drivers want feedback then that's fine too - just none of you quick guys!  ;)

Ive just managed a 1:43.17, which was nice :)

Paul, Ive sent this lap for you to peruse, but no real hurry (before Tuesday night would be good though ;))

Cheers,

Phil.

Just done a 40.7 on the last lap of a 20 min race  ;D  0.6 down on my best 1st sector time, can I get a 1:39?

Doesn't really matter as I'm not around Tuesday for the race  :'(

Can't get motec to work, just hangs and says program not responding when I open it

Just send a replay for now then

Paul

Managed a 1.40.138 in the Morgan...in 9th lap.

Not sure I'll be able to make it on time for Tuesday...Continue training for now  ;)

Hmm, tried the Monza-spec wings, 2nd lap on race fuel and mediums was 1:40.5 but I keep throwing it off the road, not good :(

Finally managed to get below 1:41 (1:40.9 dead), then did the next two laps under 1:41 as well  :D

Odd (but nice) how something just 'clicks' sometimes in this game.

Pops.

Quite often im racing along, off in lala land and oh shit, missed brake point craaaaaaaaaaaaaap, oh hang on i got round the corner, that was nice... hmm i'll try that again :-)

Lol, quite often do that myself, plenty of time to reflect though as I try in vain to get out of the kitty litter  :)

Ok I have to say I think we will need to review the classification of the Porsche BiTurbo at the end of the season.
I just tried it in anger at Enna and was 2 seconds faster than any other NGT time I have (1:36.5).
As I suspected from the first two races the BiTurbo is faster down the straights than the other NGTs.

1    SimBin Benchmark    01:32.976    
2    Fabrizio Hernandez    01:33.989    
3    [ASD] Superkolos    01:34.286    
4    Patrik Gårdewall    01:34.460    

^ Best times of N-GT cars on Enna on GTRank. You just drove an awesome time m8 with the Bi-T. Which makes u 4th with this car on that track by the way. I don't think a lot of us on here will be able to do that and I'm sure noone here will take advantage of this info either :).

It is however quite a lot faster on the straights though. I noticed that in a fun race on Oschersleben already, but it's also very hard to handle and eats tyres. Unlike the Seat for instance this car will not dominate the field if it's driven against N-GT cars.

T

I guess the thing is, you could get a small boost with it on fast tracks like Enna (Monza etc) but then opt to use a more nimble car for Estoril. So if you work the system you would have an advantage over someone that stuck to the same car for each race. Hmmm. It is a handful though and maybe that is enough penalty any time you use it to negate teh pace overall?

We'll see I guess. I think my thoughts were basically as you say that it's so hard to drive that would be disadvantage enough and I didn't think it was any faster than the other NGTs down the straight (which has proved slightly wrong). Probably have to wait to see how it is over all the different kinds of tracks before deciding, it's certainly no Seat with a clear advantage.

So far I think we've only had Bernie Lomax and maybe another driving it in championship races and he's has driven it very competitively in the NGT Sprints for some good racing so nothing too much to worry about at the moment.

I would take it at Enna myself with the straight line speed advantage but I loathe it too much to actually drive it for more than 10 minutes.  :D

Agreed. Unless a lot of drivers start taking it, then no problem I guess.

My feeling is that the only guys capable of getting the best out of it are the guys who would have beaten me anyway!  ;D ;)

Pops.

Time-wise, managed a 1:40.000 dead last night. Very happy with that  ;D

It also (finally!) took my GTRank to single figures! Wahoo!

Anyhoo, still struggling with my race set-up, averaging 1:44-1:45. On other tracks, the difference between my best laps and my race laps has been about 2:00-2:50s so I'm a liitle concerned this is a MUCH bigger gap.

Anyone else experiencing this at Enna?

Pops.

This is normal at Enna because in qual you take HUGE risks through the tyre chicanes and much less in the race and you can gain so much time by flying at dangerous speeds through the tyres you can have a large gap in your qual and race times.

I've now managed to go down into the 1:37s with the 360 in qual, no idea what my race times will be as not done any race practice.(7 seconds off GT times.)

Thanks Shark, that makes perfect sense  :)

It'll be interesting to see how people approach Q's tonight, with only 15 mins to qualify, those risks through the tyres become even bigger  :o

Also how to approach the race as one mistake will very easily trash the car here.

(I'll be at the back with maximum wing  ;D ;))

 

The Bi Turbo def has an advantage in a straight line due to it's horsepower advantage over other NGT's. I tend to agree with the comments above tho that on the majority of circuits due to it's extra weight and it's tendency to not go around corners very well it doesn't give a substantial advantage. I've used it in both NGT sprint races to date but don't think I would have been significantly faster or slower in a 360 or GT3. I know one other driver used a Bi - Turbo at Magny and was lapped by the leaders so....

Soooooooooooooo...  ???

  :o

Bring it on u EGG! I'll fwap u all over the place in an Elise if I have to on LeMans1990 and u can drive anything u want!  :D :D :D

 8) 8) 8)

Just kiddin...

I'll take the M3 ;)

T

I think driver will need to take extra caution when coming up to yellow flags at Enna for the races, it is even more important that you slow down especially at yellow flags near the tyre chicanes as it could well be a blocked road. The accidents tend to be spectacular so if you see a driver slowing down in front of you due to yellow it's probably wise NOT to take the opportunity to fly by as it'll probably end in tears.

[/color][/size]

Lol Peewee, I knew I should have copyrighted that when I did it the first time ;).

And indeed a good point Shark. One of the few public races that I stayed on as spectator was on Enna, because of a close battle between #1 and #2 then I noticed the crashes and took position at the second chicane mostly! ;D Some cars should have had wings ;)

T

Good grief! The sooner that 'marquee' function is disabled the better!  ;D

Re. the tyre chicanes, I was wondering if it's worth everyone (or at least as many as possible) having a pre-approved chat message to warn drivers if there is an incident.

I *think* a lot of people ignore the yellow flags and not everyone will read this thread before tonight.

Obviously I won't do anything without admin approval.

Pops.

Better Dave?????? ;D

"BIG CRASH @ 1, 2 and 3! Everybody infront of me SLOW DOWN!"

:-)

Seriously, good idea tho.

 :P :P :P

[/color][/size]



[/color][/size]

 ;D

Ok i've no idea what those big scrolly things said cause I couldn't be arsed to wait for them to scroll.  ;D

But on the chat thing, you could do, BUT, some people don't run with chat at all (including me) as it's distracting and helps me keep my concentration better now I've turned it off.

It's about common sense, so you just have to do what you can and you can't ask anymore than that really.

 :D ;D :D

I'll try to refrain myself from using those 'scrollers' again Dave. This page has me in stitches still though, rofl!

I'll try the non-chat myself tonight, if I get to drive, to be more on-topic, maybe it will help my concentration as well. Hopefully it will rain again, because for some reason that had me concentrated for 1 whole hour!? Not happened since high school ;) :D

T

Sprint races are all Dry weather this season.

$%^&$£"%^*&^% HELL!!!!!

3 laps in, 1 fps - bag of shite  >:(

Thats the second race on the bounce ive suffered with this and it is really starting to piss me off.

Rob

Qualified on a race setup, and was cruising around happily in about 11th about half way through the race. Was being very patient waiting for the cars in front to make a mistake. Spun on the exit to T3, could have carried on but decided my car was in a dangerous position with traffic coming up fast, and exited. Oh well, got a bit of practise in for tomorrow anyway.

One word - FRUSTRATED!

Couldn't get near my offline times because of the choppy frame rate, but was keeping Bernie honest in 4th. Then Fozz got a bit of a run onto the long straight but not enough to get by. He then missed his braking point and locked everything up. I saw him coming, realised that if I turned in I'd be collected and so stayed out of the way on the left, taking to the gravel. He missed the corner too but ended up in front. I hoped he would give the place back but that didn't happen, so while I was seething about the injustice of it I missed my braking point and nudged him off at T1. He took the to the exit road and reappeared ahead again. By this point I was in totally the wrong frame of mind, lost another place to Paul and then hit Mike Cooper who slowed far more than I expected for the 2nd chicane. This was the worst place for frame rate and I couldn't avoid - sorry Mike. I gave up at that point.

I'm starting to quetsion whether I can race online with my current hardware. Funds are tight so unless I can think of a cheap upgrade I may have to sit things out till I afford to get something faster.

Paul

Man, feel for you Rob.

Shagged that one up a bit! Qualified OK but a couple of seconds off my best- just kept closing in on traffic and having to slow up. That's the game though I guess  :(

Had a solid race and just behind Bernie in 4th with only 5 mins to go when I slide into the tyres, not sure why, wasn't pushing super hard but just swapped ends. Span in slow motion and was thinking "please don't be terminal... please don't be terminal" but the rear wheel punctured unfortunately. If you want a laugh, watch me trying to get out of the sand there, spinning round and round ::)

Bit gutted because I had a chance of a top 3 at Enna, but thems teh breaks. Bring on the next one  :)

Holy crud that was hard work....

Amazed to Q 10th with what I thought was a poor time.

Up to 9th but it soon became apparent that just about everyone behind me was faster and queuing up to pass me  ;D Held JM-Racing and Mike Wrightson off for a while but it was in vain, stupidly clipped a kerb and (I think) severely hampered Mike Wrightson, if that's the case, really sorry Mike :(

Tootled round on my own, picking up placed as I passed the dead cars.

Made an absolute pig's-ear of letting Matj past at the end, god that was awful, didn't stay on the racing line. Pathetic. So sorry Matj  :'( My concentration was completely shot by that point :(

6TH! Can I get a WhooHooo!  ;D

Pops.

Server replay and exports uploaded to website as usual.

Well in my frustration and annoyance i`ve just emailed the CEO of Simbin asking, very politely, if there are any plans to correct these bugs.

Dont know if it`ll have any effect but felt I had to do somert!!

Cheers

Rob

Well again I had a better race, however stupid, stupid mistakes cost me 3-4 places AGAIN!!! If I can be consistant and stay on the track I feel there is a good chance of scoring points.....

Not a bad race here the only black spot being when i knocked pops off at the final chicane due to my impatiance to get by him. Sorry mate. Feel free to boot me off the road next week!  ;)

Rest of the race was spent dodging the spinning/crashing cars and ended up 4th. I really don't know how that happened but long may it continue!  ;D

Had a weird problem when I joined the server for the first time. Missing textures and all, restarted the game and then had a ctd, lol. Rebooted pc and it worked, phew! Only 3 mins to go in quali 1 though. Had to take default fast setup and managed a nice 1:41:xxx which had me in 11th. Started the race nice and gently as did most I noticed. Couple of peeps spun out or had 1fps and with me being in the faster car (Bi-T) I actually managed to overtake peeps! Woohoo (cheer with me Pops ;)).
Then as I was closing in on Fozz, he spun in the 2nd to last turn and I lost it just a little as well, hehe. No real damage... I thought, lol. 'Just' a puncture... In the sand trap just past the pit entrance, rofl!

Took me 40+ secs to get the car on the track again! AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! LOL!  :D
Then I had to limp back to the pit over the full length of the track, managed to avoid everyone, got out of the pit, but only had 1-2 laps to go. Managed a nice 14th in the end ;) AND a 3rd fastest laptime! Woohoo (cheering with Pops again ;)).

I suggest we do a rematch, because I wanna know where I would have ended up, seeing I managed to miss all the tyrewalls! ;) :D

T

Now there's a challenge!  ;)

Feel for you lad. Best we can do is try and work around the ingame bugs.

Thankfully since my full uninstall and reinstall of GTR and fiddle with settings I haven't had it again (4 races so far) and Enna is one of the worst places for 1 fps. In case you wanna try it my settings are now:
1) Reinstalled GTR from scratch with no add-ons at all.
2) Put 1.4 patch on.
3) Created a new player in game with GTR 1.4 and copied old Career.blt over the new one.
4) Everything on highest setting in video settings in game except:
  a) Other Car Detail - High
  b) Special Effects - Medium
  c) Track Draw Distance - Far
  d) Number of cars draw - 24
  e) Level of detail bias - 100%
5) Number of sounds - 16
6) Turned all replay settings OFF.
7) In car chat OFF.

It's running at 1280x1024 with 4x AA and am using NGO ATI drivers (based on 5.7 catalyst). To be honest even with the settings (above) down like Special Effects to Medium the graphics don't look any worse to me than before when i had everything on max.

Would love to know why Bernie Lomax pitted on last lap and didn't just cross the line to take 3rd, instead dropping 2 places whilst in the pits? Were you not sure that would be the last lap?

Failed to mention before that I also completely failed to hold Tyf off and he passed me with a nice manouver to my extreme annoyance  ;).

Nice one Tyf!

Sssssh don't tell him! He might do it again next week!  ;)

Thanks Popa. I just had the faster car m8.
Bernie uses the same by the way, it's a Lambo in disguise! ;) ;D Maybe that's why he pitted earlier to avoid the marshalls noticing it!  :o :P :D

T

No problem m8 all ended well but yes it was scarry... how did I manage to catch the car is beyond me. It looked like you were staying on the line but then I saw you were actually slowly coming to the right were I was approaching really fast so I had to move over to the grass at 250 km/h.  :o
 
I must say I don't like this rule of backmarkers holding the line beacuse you never know when and if he will lift off the throttle to let you pass. I would rather see backmarkers to move off the line so I can be sure they see me aproaching and want to give me room for the pass. Or maybe they can stay on the line but please do not lift off your throttle when there is a car straight behind you. Lift it when the car behind you is commiting a pass.

My race was quite nervous. In qualifying I couldn't make a single lap without being stopped by a slower car and then managed to get the pole in the last second.

Race start was OK although I was passed by a  powerfull Porsche Bi - Turbo straight after the finish line. I folowed him closely and just waited for his mistake because I know Bi Turbo is a hard car to drive through the corners. He did a mistake and I could pass him for the lead but soon after that I did a small mistake as well going over the curb and losing some speed so Shark made a nice pass to gain the lead. Then I followed him and again was waiting for his mistake as normal overtaking is not possible at Enna. Then we were approaching a backmarker and I was following Shark really close as he suddenly overtook backmarker while I found myself hitting the backmarker (sorry for that) as he was slowing on the racing line to let Shark pass.  Both I and Shark had to cut the chicane and by doing so Shark lost the control and spun giving me the lead.

The rest was just surviving and apart from the scarry moment with overtaking popabawa all went smooth. 

I must confess Mat, the TWO times you passed me I did move off the racing line because at the speed you were going and the close proximity of the tyre chicanes it was safer to do that and let you straight through

Yes that was OK. You moved away and let me pass. That's how it should be IMO.

Quick question, slightly off topic, what do I need to adjust to stop the rear end bouncing under hard acceleration???

Yeh the not giving you the place back at first was probably a bit naughty, particularly after you was kind enough not to turn in on me, when I'd clearly gone too deep.

I was actually thinking about whether or not to lift off (whether I should or not I feel depends if you take it as one incident or two) and give you it back for quite a while. Then you hit me up the rear, so having missed the corners just went down the escape road and came out infront of you. After being nurfed by you i figured we were about even in our joint rule breaking so I wasn't going to give you it back after that.

I would like to complement you on your sensible and attentive (is that the right word?) driving though, If you'd turned in it would have been a lot worse for both of us.

Up until that point everything was quite good, And I was happy to still be going with little to no damage. In the end I notched up quite a few accidents, none I feel were my fault, had to pit for a splitter and was happy to finish about 8th.

I hope the Endurance race has less accidents for me.

Fozzmeister

@Jamera: If it's in the F360, stiffen the rear springs so they are equal to the fronts.  I have gone 1 stage further and run stiffer rear spring on the F360, which helps it turn under power.  I still had some bounce, think it's impossible to get totally rid of it, but it stayed smooth and rode the kerbs OK.

I'm still struggling with braking tho.  dammit!

Soz for that, I know there was no contact (or not before we went off anyway) but I know how hard it can be to keep concentration when that happens. I was lucky, i spun into the pit lane virtually. I'm surprised you didn't do a naughty and go back along the grass, you can get away with it for a bit and providing you don't have to cross the road whats the problem... Supose it depends how far you were passed tho really.

Foz

Results are up here:

http://www.ukgtr.org/lm2-report.php?group=10121&event=18

I wasn't in the race but I agree with this, or you do end up with a Coulthard Vs Schumacher at spa scenario (for those that missed that, Coulthard lifted on the racing line & Schuey clouted him up the back at 150mph).  If I'm being lapped I either move off the racing line out of a corner and accelerate late, or wait for them to make a move and then back off to make it easier.

To add to the rear-end bouncing question, other than increasing the strength of the dampers (and if you're not using all the travel softening the suspension) there aint much you can do.  If there's a big imbalance between the front & rear spring rates this can make it worse, but it's a fine balance between good handling round corners and equal spring rates front/rear. (also depends on the weight distribution of the car, but I'm too tired to go into the finer points of engineering theory.  Besides, it's all waaaay too boring!)

To control bounce, you need to consider your bump and rebound settings before your springs, as that is what they are there for, of course springs _may_ come into it, but the bump and rebound control the speed of your suspension more than anything else.

If your curb hopping at Enna its impossible to get rid of it fully, you didn't say where it was bouncing tho.

Fozzmeister

A tough race.

Used a race setup to qualify with (needed the practice!) and promptly screwed up the first corner and plummeted down the field :(  began to make up some places and got up behind Pops when he had his little moment and in trying to avoid him and still take advantage, I put it into the fence  :o  Thankfully, no harm done but lost 2 places.  Got them back again the next lap, then passed Pops into T1 and headed off in search of new prey :)

RUFBTR was next and I passed into T1, then at the first of the tyre-chicanes, saw him clip the tyres and totally obliterate his car  :o  Tyf was a fair bit up the road now and I wasn't making any impression until he crashed.  Then there was another big gap to PaulW, thought I wouldn't catch it but he dropped it as well, leaving me 4th.  Then crossed the finish after lapping Fozz and I was 3rd!!!

Don't worry about the incident Pops, thats the breaks of racing :)

Trying to setup the CR5 for tomorrow, fairly happy with the general handling, but boy does it bounce under power coming out of the corners

hit a curb early on, which really unsettled me, ended up in the chicane thingy :-s

Corners? Are there corners at Enna? I find dampeners interesting, particularly with the massive performance benefit they give... once you understand them :-)

Fozzmeister

Can't say how lucky I feel to have picked up 7th spot. I was lapping in the 1.45,s, but managed to stay out of trouble and was rewarded with a top 10 finish. More than happy.
Don.

Soften, not harden, the suspension to help with a skittering/jumpy car under acceleration!

I definitely saw a 'piece of car' fly off at the tyre barriers when following Paul and Fozz at one point! Don't know if either of you felt a tap and you both looked unaffected but funny nonetheless. Now I've seen how many points I've lost with my random slide.... :'(

Still, it's just a game  ;)

Stone the heretic! :D

Jehova!

I do find the whole car setup interesting, but the lecturer I had rambling on about 2nd order systems a few years ago bored the hell out of me! ;)

Are you the Judean Peoples Front?

Cheers

Rob

@*$&  off! ;)

I was running out f fuel and wasn't sure i it was the final lap or not so pitted - sod's law...

LOL. Oh dear.

Looooooooool Paul

What a film!!  :D

Cheers

Rob

Don't forget, incident reports to Gizmo or Paul Harrington (Paul968) please.