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Practice 1:	20:00	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:10	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:20	(35 mins)
Race:	20:55	(80 mins)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT2, GTC or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.6.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Sugo Classic (v1.0.1.0, download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#msg54521))
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: All drivers must make a minimum of one pit stop. This must involve entering the pit lane at the speed limit, and coming to a complete standstill in the designated pit box. Tyres do not have to be changed and no fuel has to be added. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=61). Reserves (anyone without a full time spot) should not join until the stated session, regardless of the time.
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and the track (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(6) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).

It takes a while to get used to this track and to get the rhythm. But the track is different and quite nice. Lapping us GTCs will be a b-tch as the track is quite narrow just after pits.

I'm out of this one as can't make it. A bit disappointed as I'm sure I could have had a good race.

I think the tighter track will add up to a good race in GT2 and GTC classes. Have fun

 :helpsmilie:   Looks like rain.   :boat:

:clap: :lol:

I think I'll put on snow tires just to be sure :-\

Think this is another missed race for me ...

A hectic weekend and getting woken up at 3.40am by my son hasn't really done me any favours.  I'm really bloody tired and the M3 is going to take an awful lot of concentration round here I think.  I've still not run many laps either due to other real life issues getting in the way over the last couple of weeks.

Bit of a poor season for me, missed Monza as I was 5 minutes too long getting back from North Wales, and then missed Hockenheim as well.  My first race was ruined by a daft pit decision, and then my mistake at Spa cost me too.  So much for a strong showing....far from it :( .

I'm underprepared for this race, overtired, and just not feeling up for it.  I'm not going to be able to do myself proud it I race, and worse still the potential for causing problems for others is there if I do.

Good racing all, I'm going to get an early night and have a good think about what I'm going to do next season.

The M3 is a god damn nightmare round here.
Not looking forward to this,and if it rains im buggered.
Whats the penalty for changing cars ?

I can't find the practice server :-\

he's restarting it for the race

Just realised, thanks :-[

Can't make this one guys, hangover from hell  :-\
Have fun though.

Really glad I made that! Went to start the race on the grid and found no other cars around.
Did a lap on my own then quit out!!

Don, we are restarting the race right now after a red flag.

if you can't see on the grid, use the + and - keys on the numeric pad to move to another car and back.

After about 30 mins I was dead last, with no headlight, couldn't see my braking markers. So I figured I had better things to do. Might consider it when the tire developers have come up with a tire that will get hot in these conditions. Nothing against the rain, but combined with the low temps.

Yet another very frustrating night. :(

The first start being aborted left me on pole for the second start....couldn't see the lights...didn't know where to even look for them ::)...so must have jumped it and got a stop go....race over basically...you can't do much about making places back in those conditions without waiting for people to fall off, and it obviously makes it a lot easier for lapping/passing cars to shove  unfortunately bump into you and knock you off.

So knowing there was no way I could be quicker than anyone, in the hardest handling car there in those conditions, I decided to quit yet again, as I had absolutely no interest in just running around being lapped.

Grats to anyone making it to the end.

Well that was bloody f*****g brilliant. Utterly pissed off again.

These add-on tracks are buggy as hell and need to be remove IMO. Alot of people get CTD's, disco's and freezes.

I was doing well during the race untill all cars disappeared, probably for everyone as I heard over Team Speak. When they re-appeared I hit a stationary car and got flown into the gravel with a puncture. No way to get out safely and had to quit.

Quite possible another championship shot due to this farce.

After all the Adria and Sugo problems, please don't use add-on tracks ever again.

Don't know if you waited for me to come up Paul, but in that case it was a very fair move!!! Wasn't really necessary but an amazing gesture  :notworthy:

Lap 21.... all cars dissappeared whilst following a overtaking P Allnutt/Picnic over the brow of the start finish straight, so decided to ditch the car after what happened in previous warm up!

Think it was about lap 21 when everyone dissappeared for me as well...Briefly had an M3 reappear on s/f strait which i missed, only to get discon 3 corners later :(..made more annoyin by the fact i was slowly but surely catching Simon, but thats life...Was a good race uptil then

Ho hum. Leading the race and 12 minutes left, connection lost. The server was dropping people like flies. Something very wrong with the game tonight I'm afraid. Cars kept dissappearing every now and then and people were one by one being picked off by the server Grim Reaper.  :hang:

Quite enjoyed the wet and got my tyre choice just about spot on.

See what happens from the moderators, but I think it might be a good idea to call the result null and void.

Don't suppose the extreme weather, everyone having lights on and a buggy track is a great combination.

As for the addon tracks, i´ve been doing a lot of races, even with diferent mods, and i
never had problems, seems to be only with Sugo (at least for me).
When i was in 6th overall and leading my class for +- 40 seconds, i lost connection  :'( >:(
That is really a huge  frustration  ::)
When i saw a wet track, i felt a bit happy and with a lots of hope for my Z3
finish in a good place, but that disco......hmmmmm.......maybe a sabotage....hahahahaheheh
was fun while it last, i hope i let the GT2 and GTC guys pass me easy in the begining  :)

Cheers

Same with me Simon, and about the same time. Would have been a hollow victory anyway after what happened to Jeff, so not that unhappy in the circumstances.


I wish I could say I did wait, but the fact was the front was a complete mess given the different speeds of the cars and drivers. I was just trying to avoid nurfing one of those in front of me off, so it wasn't surprising that we got caught up quite quickly.

I have an idea. Lets keep the start positions to the finish results :devil: :eek: :ban: :hammer: tumbleweed
You know i´m joaking  :-*

What a waste of time that was. :(

Quali went well,i surprised myself and got pole. :o
After moaning how crap the M3 was on this track. ::)

Start of the race went pear shape though.
Lights went green and i gently pulled away.
Only to look behind and see everyone still sitting on the line. ???
I slowed to about 15mph for everyone to catch up,then out of no where i got rammed off the track and watched cars shooting off into the distance. ???
I rejoined and got rammed again. >:(

Restart of race was disappointing as i had to start 11th,but managed to get to 2nd place after a couple of laps and was behind TT. 8)
I thought i was in for an easy race,then TT started to pull away and Simon was catching fast.
Couldn't understand where they got there speed from until i checked my tyre temps.
Not one tyre was over 50 degrees in temp.
Then realised i tested with hard wets in practice and forgot to change them. :wetfish:
I decided to stay out for 15 Min's before changing them,which cost me in a few errors.
I came in,topped up my fuel and changed to soft wets.
I came out in about 14th and started to cut through the field.
My lap times suddenly came down from 1.36s and 37s to 1.33s with a full tank. :o
I started thinking that i could still win this. :thumbup2:
I was closing in on the top 6 and none of them had pitted,and none were lapping as fast.
Then it all went to pot and i lost connection. :death:
Very gutted and frustrated. :cursing:

I hated wet races,but then again i never really gave them a chance.
But after my performance I'm all for them now.
Glad i decided to race,because i was gonna watch Bad Boys 2.
Thats twice these season Ive had a lost connection.
Maybe i should get my internet speed increased.
Or is just Virgin

I was hit twice on the first start...I could see every one fine.

Restart I braked late then made contact with a car, who I think may have been pushed wide, but iam not sure but we both went into the gravel. Sorry if it was my fault.

From there I made up loads of places, I think I was up to 11th before I put it back in the gravel, but this time further off.

Then The cars started to disapear, and you all left... but in the confusion I hit a wall so back to the pits.

Connection loss after that as well.

There are some good add-on tracks, but most are made by some people who just convert stuff and don't look at anything.

Maybe check with other leagues and see which add-ons they used and which didn't give problems (with the use of weatherfiles etc.)

What a difficult race.

I don't know if I was visible for everybody but there were several way too questionable moves. Personally I had a moment around lap 26 or 27 following S-P-G through Turn Last and he went invisible to emerge after T2 or so. I hope I didn't hit you then. Nevertheless I survived the race.

Grats winners!

I agree Jeff  :)

Rollox :-[

Thought maybe GT3 race would still count as we were all in there. Then PR got discoed and that was end of that as a real race. Good strategy saw me past Madd and then it ruddy put me behind him in results anyways ???.

Still, worse things happen at sea. To be honest I've seen enough of Sugo now and would rather see it replaced, or scrapped rather than go through that again. And thanks for the fun at start Dave.

All a bit like the national that never was that :)

I had no problems whatsoever and only started to notice things when people started disappearing. I thought - wtf, Aliens 5 ?  ::)

TT

Well, it was cetainly different I'll grant you, ended up with a very twitchy car after a tap from behind so had to be soooo careful in corners, but managed to find a rhythm...eventually, then saw SBG having fun and outbraked him and set off after Gizmo.
I came across Gizmo creating a bow wave in his plough and got past when his rudder failed  :D
After that it was just a case of trying to keep it on the flood/track and noticed that a dry line was starting as my tyres were cooking, so I switched to inters and was immediately almost 2 seconds faster.
Trouble was as I tried to catch SBG I kept making trips in the gravel.
The number of issues tonight were unbelievable, cars were warping all over and disco's everywhere.
At what lap did the problems really start?

I got my disco 13 minutes to the end

Only 6 finished

For what it's worth the very provisional results and standings are posted.

The replay had the 'real' (1st) practice and qual times plus the 2nd race data files.

Sounds like I missed a complete disaster tonight. Only 6 from 22 finishing!

I Lost my connection too, after a frustrating start. Had no chance with intermediates, i forgot to change them to wet tyres, or i loaded the wrong setup... . So i spun off many times before i got in the pits. leaving the pits, i was already lapped and at the end of the field :-( . Stucked behind other driver trying to relap me, but no way past. The car was not really good to drive and because i lost connection i could never check which setup i loaded... .

Hopefully the  next race will be better.

 :whistling: Personally I'd like the results to stand  ;D

Well I've hated this track all along but I've had my best ever results here, guess it was luck (although not if the race does not count)

Got GTC pole only to lose it with the false start and then binned it in the real event. Would have been happy with 3rd in class but with Paul and Jeff being among the retirements I inherited the lead. Had some good racing all through especially with MJ for ages :)

I wonder if Panis felt he never should have got his one and only F1 win  ;)

I probably shouldn't admit to this as it will no doubt be another nail in the coffin to my first class win but .....

I've contacted i3d support and they confirmed they are indeed having a network issue this evening :(

Probably didn't help much, but I left my lights in some wall, about 5 laps into the race.

Annoyed I missed yet another wet race (I can't remember the last one!) but was on a train back through London...so no choice really :(
Sounds like I missed a messy session  :P

Thanks Pete, I knew there had to be more going on than just the add-on track after we got through last weekend's Upper Endurance okay.

Obviously in the exceptional circumstances the result can't stand, but rather than throw it away I've declared it a non-championship race which means it will remain in the database forever, so at least there's some reward for those who persevered. ;) Rather than re-running it I would like to declare Zhuhai to be the final race - a 6 race season is short by our standards but means we get a clean break over the holidays and a fresh start next year.

Let's hope things are better tonight for the Race '07 fun run. :-\

From the back of the race 1 grid I had a good view of the carnage - it was quickly apparent what was going on and mid-way through the formation lap I could see no alternative but to red-flag it. In theory GTR2 Manager supports grid restoration but you need to have it turned on beforehand and besides it's not seen as reliable.

Managed to let a load of GTC and GT2 cars past during the second formation lap - tried to get Ginsters past too but he wasn't having any of it. Probably wanted to hand my my bum on the track. :D The VCC is a nightmare to pick tyres for in wet conditions but with the monsoon in full flight, soft wets on the front and hard wets on the rear actually worked pretty well, and I was able to keep SbG behind using the Viper's power until I reached my stop window. With fuel usage down I could've stayed out a while longer but having completely failed to make intermediates work during qualifying, my only real hope was that it continued to rain hard so I pitted for more of the same and some go juice.

Sod's Law promptly kicked in and the rain started to ease off. With my left side tyres overheating terribly in the final corner, all I could do was drive off line on the two straights and try to cool them down again. By that stage I was way behind the other GT3 cars but with all the strange events going on (Picnic managed to lap me twice whilst invisible - convenient if nerve-wracking!) I knew I had to keep going as anything could happen.

Then with about 10 minutes to go and just 9 cars left the inevitable happened and I got 'Connection Lost' and that was that. :(

I'd like to congratulate to Picnic for his win anyway.  :)  You were very fast, Pete, seems like that ugly car fits you.  ;D  Congrats!  :yes:

TT

Lap 0! Did you see the first pace lap? ;D :laugh: :P

Such a shame, as it kind makes the championship win feel a bit hollow with 2 dropped races. Maybe I would have come out on top anyway, I was certainly doing well leading the race last night with an already healthy championship lead, but you never know and I don't like to win things that way as that's not racing it's Lord of Luck.

I'm still not convinced the changeable weather is 100% stable and that coupled with an addon track and the network issues was a disaster.

On to Zhuhai now where I can relax and just go for the win rather than worry about the championship. I hope we all have much better luck and nobody gets disconnected at all!!!

Are the network issues the reason I got kicked back behind Madd in results? Or is that a track bug?

Real shame that PR will not get the credit for that race, he was clearly gonna win the class, and that season has been shortened. I would be in favour of doing this race again, at another track (Enna? ;)) but if there isn't time so be it. Just hope we get rain around Zhuhai for the Viper boys :) 

 

Oi! I completely overlooked the season is won!  :o  Now only us 5 to compete for 2nd place. :fencing:  Damn, I was sure I could make a good result in Sugo, but not hoping for win.  :P  Too bad for a "fun" race, I'd be 3 points behind you, Shark.  ;)   Congrats for a well deserved Champ win!   :thumbup2:

TT

Real shame of all the discos,but great fun in the rain.Cant we do a rerun on lets say Donington,in the rain ofcourse (i am much more comfy with the headlights on  ;D).
Anyway thx for another pleasant evening and cu all at Zuhai.

Jan

im not happy its declared a 'fun race' after wasting nearly two hours of my night battling around from the back of the grid in flooded conditions to get 2nd place.  >:(
its a poor reward for those who perservered to the end and doesnt exactly help those of us with a missus to be AWOL for 2.5 hours  ::)

I really enjoyed the race and the tricky conditions, despite forgetting to up my rear wing after the re-start. The ferrari was good in the wet and enjoyed some good battles with Picnic for the majority of the race, carving our way up the field and eventually staying in front of him for the last quarter of the race to grab a hard earned 2nd place. Well done to teamie TT too for his first place.
I thought we had done enough to secure a great 1st and 2nd to give the team some exellent points in the championship. Which was my only reason for racing last night...hence my grievance.

So how did you know it was raining hard enough at the start for softs Dave?

Understandable sentiments, However I feel that with all the technical issues and disco's it would be even more unfair to allow the result to stand.  Quite a lot of folk that most probably would have scored both individual and team points had it been in 'normal' circumstances, didn't get the opportunity to mainly because of server issues. IMO it would not give true 'racing' results in the championship standings. This way at least, nothing has changed for anybody and there is still the last race to come for 'contenders' to make their challenges.

The little lightning arrow thingy was showing on the weather doobrie. Besides, the VCC always uses softer fronts than rears.

Besides, I didn't know it was the right choice before the race actually started - it was an educated guess.

It didn't show for me so I went with hards all round - not good at all until halfway  :( I'd be interested to know what others started with?


This is the bit that I really don't like about the weather in GTR2. In real life you would normally know how hard it was raining and how wet the track was, but last night was a complete lottery as to whether you had the right tyres on. Had it been a bit drier then softs would have melted in no time.

That is not entirely true. With one race less in the championship I now stand no chance to get past mr Shark. Not that I would, but maybe I could.  :) A chancy disco in one of the last two races might help.  :)   

TT
 

I had hards on, after the pitstop as well and it worked fine. Had no trouble, even after the track started to dry, the overheat was not dramatic and was controlable, two straights cooled them down fine.  :)

TT

The hards were fine after the stop, but for the first half it was a real struggle in the RS. The front right was about 105 F most of the time!

I'm with TT here, I needed a following wind to give me a chance of 3rd in the GTC championship and would have gained a hat full of points against Backo as he didn't turn up. I get nothing from this and thus no incentive to attend the last race..........

I appreciate both arguments and whatever the league does is wrong :( Isn't virtual life a bitch ;)

Err, this  ;)  was the intended last smilie.

TT

I had hards all round...they over heated but felt alot better after sitting in the gravel trap for what felt like 5 mins.

Tuff luck to you guys who made it onto the podiums for it to be called a no result (maybe a re-run would be a better option?), great driving nevertheless in very difficult conditions.
I was spared a finish by getting discoed with less than 12 mins to go, after what was a very forgettable race for me. I went with soft wets on the M3 and they were useless after about 30mins and just couldn't keep it on the track. Sorry to anyone out there I may have unintentionally screwed up, I had the disappearing cars on and off for the whole race and unusually poor frame rates at the very beginning!

 :lol:

Not being up on the 'technical' bits myself, I could (easily) be wrong but, I put in some offline praccy in various wet conditions using various tyre combo's yesterday, and didn't really find any over/under heating tyre issues, once the correct combo was found. But during last night my tyres either melted on the outlap or never got above 50 deg anywhere! Similar conditions to praccy (rain wise) but the ambient and track temps were much lower.
Could it be that the tyre physics in GTR2 can't cope/haven't been designed to cope with the exteme temperatures?
Offline, no matter what the wet setting is at, the track temp always seems to be in the 20/28 deg range.

I started with soft softs as I've been caught out before with hard hards and the track looked very glossy and raining hard and there was lightning bolts on the weather forecast for me too. I switched to hard hards for the second stint with 30-35 minutes remaining when my softs softs were melting like chocolate despite running off-line as much as possible. It's basically luck of the draw. I was prepared to come in for hards if softs were not the right choice. Qualifying conditions changed a lot so it was a real lottery on the correct tyre choice. Good to spice things up. :)

P.S. If this were a democracy (which it isn't and quite right too! Dictatorships rule ok! ;)) I would vote to extend the current championship by two races to make it have the same number of races as it was originally intended to have. I don't understand the need to finish before Christmas. A break for Christmas is fine imho and start again in the new year. People don't dissappear off the face of the earth just cause the digits in the year changes. I feel adding back in the 2 races that were missed would make the championship fairer and make the racing more exciting.

I'd be up for a re-run if too if it was dictated decided. Just one thing....WAIT FOR A DRY DAY  :laugh:

Well spoken. I also don't understand why stop before the fat bearded bloke shows up.

here here,i agree with simon,why try to end the current season at xmas.
Add some races,but have a break over xmas.
I cant understand the rush to finish.
We can resume the rest of the season after new year.
I also vote for more races in a season as a whole,so who's with me.

Captain Birdseye?
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42021000/jpg/_42021788_captain_203jpg.jpg)

It's hard enough to fill the grids for the last couple of races at the best of times, with a gap of 2 weeks in the middle... er... we did that already didn't we with the server problems. :D I'll think about it but no promises...

Could postpone the super endurance and run the last event on the 23rd

<ducks while loads complain they are away :D>

i ran with hard wets both stints and they were perfect for the conditions. Even when the dry line started appearing towards the end of race, a couple of offline trips down the straights kept the tyres cool.
Soft wets were showing +1-2 wear after just 2-3 qually laps so i knew they wouldnt last.

I still think the result should stand after so much bloody hard work in a wet race for those of us that were still there at the end or i might just as well have quit halfway through. If it was going to be declared void why no message from 'the server' to say so and not waste our time for nearly 2 hours. I dont remember the GTL race being postponed when 6 or so couldnt join it the other night, so i lost potential points there too.  >:(

I would prefer more rounds to a season as well. Why do we only have 6 rounds? its not really a championship is it? It makes no allowance for drivers having to miss the odd round through other real world commitments or build up a challenge as the season goes on, both individual and team performance wise.

I thought it was 8 rounds,apart from the hiccups we've had this season.
Any thoughts to extending a season to say 10 rounds.

I took soft wets on my Morgan at the start, these lasted quite well as I struggeled to get them warm. After about 45 mins they did start to show much more warmth and I started to struggle with a sliding back end. What with the track appearing a bit drier I put hards on for the last stint. These didn't overheat but I couldn't quite match my pace with the softs when they were working well.

Before the stop there was little difference between the pace MJ and I had. After there was little I could do and MJ was around 1 sec a lap quicker than me. But with the warmer temps/less water I would have been slower still I think on the softs as they would have been too hot.

I have suggested for two seasons running that 10 rounds with the best 8 scoring towards the championship, but it's never been considered.

As we race online, things like the occasional disco we can't control. Also like said before, real world commitments sometimes take over making it impossible to make every race.

I can't speak for UKGTL because I don't really run it, but we only had 6 finishers, MJ, and the vast majority of retirements were through no fault of the drivers. At best if it happened in the 'real world' you'd only get half points and I'll be buggered if I'm putting in a massive effort to code that into our system for single bizarre race. :P


As you may recall we lost one round when the old server hosts went bust - we certainly never planned to have only 6 races, and hopefully it will only affect Lower Endurance and not the other series.


A normal season would be 8 rounds, but as I said above we already lost one complete round. If we do add an extra round after Grotmas and attendence is poor I'll be very, very hacked off indeed.


Just because we haven't done something doesn't mean we haven't considered it.  :no:

I took ards all round and they really stank :). However, they didn't get any worse so I didn't need to change them and therefore jumped Madd in pits.

I can't believe that some want the results to stand from last night. I did well but I wouldn't gain any satisfaction from beating PR and so many others that way. To be fair, if we have time for another race which we should, I think it should be at Sugo and with the same conditions. Even though I never want to go around that place again.  

I must admit I'm with Mark on this one, other races have had multiple disco's (albeit not as many) and those results have stood.  Its a shame you feel that way dave as tbh we all also put a concerted effort to turn up every week, is it really that  difficult  to add points to the tally? I don't know of course, but wiping the race is scant reward as Mark has said for those that remained or even those who turned up, only to be disco'd later on.

If most of the disco's began at halfway through the race then why no half points, that would then mean the race would not need to be rerun at least?

I do believe that a similar problem happened in a GTL race in Hockenheim in the GTC 65 cars and the race standings stood?

I spent the best part of 3 hours last night with this race, had I known it was null and void after all the disco's I would have quit out as there was no point in me carrying on in the challenging conditions for no gain at all. (even though it was very enjoyable I must admit) would a server message have been the best course of action?

If you're not willing to give points for this race then I would prefer to see the 2 dropped races re-run, in exactly the same conditions, this would give everyone the chance of driving as they would have done and also given people more of a chance for championship podiums.

That's usually because the disco is on the client's side. This time it was the server messing stuff up.

its not to gain any 'unfair advantage' ginsters its for the bloody hard work of racing there for that length of time and getting nothing for it, especially in such a tight team champ position and also because i gave up an evening for it when i have got a million and one real world things going on at the moment.
I only raced last night to help our team points out, i had nothing to gain from it for my own purpose as not been able to commit enough time to both enduros this time around.
It doesnt matter, whats done is done, just a bad night with the server/supplier i guess but i'm still aggrieved about it..cos thats the way i am  ;) and the missus was none too pleased that i disapeared for nigh on 3 hours all-told either, so if i suffer...you suffer  :-X ;D

I like Brians idea of having 10 rounds, with the 8 best results counting towards it.  8) I have seen that used in other leagues championships and think it is a very fair way of catering for real world stuff and Disco's. Its very frustrating to miss a round in a short series as you effectively snafu your hopes of a good championship fight.

Because as I've already said, there is absolutely no mechanism in place for allocating half points. If you would like to pay me at my normal hourly rate to add and test such a mechanism, I'll be happy to oblige.


As I recall, for that race everybody got disco'd at the same time, near the scheduled end of the race, and we took the results from the lap before (and I think I lost out by a place as a result). A totally different situation from last night where the combatants fell in waves.


Sending out a server message would've been tricky given that I'd been disco'd - especially as at that stage we didn't know how many would finish. ::) :P


Running Sugo again in the same conditions would defeat the main object of changeable conditions, to make things less predictable. :P

I don't see how we could run the 8th race in the 'same' conditions since it's never happened. :P

As far as dropped scores go, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. What incentive is there for any of the successful runners to turn up for the last round if they know anything they score will be dropped anyway? You can't argue that they'd turn up anyway without me turning round and applying the same argument to those who've missed the odd round racing without the dropped scores - in fact I'd argue that it's considerably more annoying to turn up for every round and have some points taken away as a 'punishment' for good attendence.

It my screen it said the track was flooded, and the weather was thunderstorm, with thunderstorm as forecast.

I went with soft wet all around, but couldn't get any heat in them at all.

'Dropped scores' ? I dont think 8 best results counting towards the champ is an un-incentive to turn up unless they scored 8 1st places in the previous rounds and therefore nothing to improve upon  :P

Our regular racing people dont aim to intentionally miss the odd round, just real life gets in the way as we all know. It would help during the summer too when people miss a round through holidays.

ps..whats this lightning doobrie everyone is mentioning?

:censored:

:taz: I WANT MY MISSING OVER TWO HOURS OF SLEEP BACK!  :taz:

:yawn: :sleep1: :hang:

*Hits nail on head*
 :hammer:

Because this race was most likely to be wet, but not for certain, and the changeable weather makes the amount of 'wetness' unpredictable, I spent over 6 hours practicing and developing setups for this race alone. (and of course because I still need the driving practice ::))...was it six hours wasted because the server went squiffy? Not even remotely.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I do this for fun/pleasure/passtime/hobby/entertainment. No one forces me to turn up and race in a championship, I do it from choice because of the above. Yesterday was a dissapointment do to the issues encountered...no one here at fault I am sure we will all agree...but what does it really matter?
Whilst I do try my hardest, and put a lot of time/effort into it....it is not actually important whether I score points, finish, win, lose, get disco'd etc etc. It doesn't detract from the fact this is a fun passtime and I enjoy any time I can spend participating.

As for Dave and the rest of the admin team, they give up lots of their own free time on top of practice/racing time to run this for everybody's benefit, not everything will always suit everyone but generally speaking the vast majority seem very happy with the way things are run. I think it slightly unfair when they get their decisions challenged as they seem to have been due to last nights race.

I'm not challenging any decisions I'm just saying that I personally wouldn't have stayed up until 0100 or so for a fun race.  :wheelchair:

In hindsight...quite a few wouldn't turn up for a fun race....but nobody knew is was till after it unfortunately.

I agree with any decision, whatever will be  ;)
Cheers

Lol, I'd turn up for any fun race.  :)  And it was fun yesterday, I enjoyed every minute of it, even when I wasn't in the lead. We need more wet races, cards are shuffled and everybody's got a chance to reach the top. That is why I race, Psuedo. For driving only I get into a real car.  ;D
And MJ had fun, too. He's just bitchin' 'cause it's the way he is.  ;)

TT

Fun race no fun race,if the drivin is good i dont care,imo  every race at simracing.uk is worth the effort ,simply because the standard is high.
So wake me up at 2 oclock in the morning next time,no sweat ;D

Jan

Agree TT bring on the wet races  ;)

ROFL!  :laugh:

I agree, racing in the rain was great fun and I look forward to more wet races.

I take any race as fun races. If I don't find them fun, I just drop out, like I did for this one. Hard to see without headlights and poor traction, so it wasn't very much fun. I like this track though.

And I would also pay my respect to the admins who goes through all this work. Well done guys, and keep up the good work for better and for poorer, cheers mates.
 :clap: :thumbup2: :notworthy: :rockon:

 :laugh:.....I've already proven I can't race!!....I just stick to 'trying' to drive. ;D

I can't agree with that, Psuedo. I see a great improvement in your pace in the last few months. Consider your efforts upgraded from "men in pink" to "men in pink".  ;)

TT