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Practice 1:	20:10	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:20	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.6.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Dry
Track: Zhuhai 2004
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: no mandatory stop

Server: UKGTR Lower Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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I take it you guys havent raced on this track before in these car classes? I noticed there are no GT2/GTC fast laps listed.

Yes, in season 4, but that had different ballastsystem.

Still you can see it here:

UKGTR Endurance Masters
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2487#event243

UKGTR Endurance Academy
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2488#event285

UKGTR GT Sprint
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2489#event247

UKGTR NGT Sprint Academy
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2456#event278

UKGTR NGT Sprint Masters
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2457#event249

I'm not going to make this one due to work.

I might miss out on a top 3 championship finish if TT puts in another good drive.

Getting broadband connected at my new flat tomorrow, so if all goes well I'll try to make this one.

Well Im now officially f***** off. Ive been disco`d 3 times tonight so not gonna be able to race. Thats now 3 races on the bounce this has happened. Strange thing is, public servers are fine, as is the UKGTR praccy server, its just the race server I`m having problems with  >:(

I never used to have any problems, its a new thing to me - as Shark suggested I turned off shadows, but all to no avail. Does anybody have any more suggestions?

Anyway hope you all have a good race, and oh yes, COME ON PAULR.  ;D

Cheers

Rob

Great qually, "poor" race.

That pretty much sums it up for me tonight.

Was never comfortable in the car, but somehow managed a 1:34.6 in qually for 5th overall - a really big surprise with that.

My race setup evidently wasn't as quick, and as I outbraked myself umpteen times I slipped down the order.  Apologies to Shark, for nearly taking his nose off on one of the aforementioned outbraking maneuvers .... and consequently leaving Pete nowhere to go but up the arse of the M3.  Sorry it knackered your race a bit Pete, feel free to get my wrists slapped...

A fairly forgettable race all in all.




Cheers all, great racing with you this season.

Had no idea what to do in qually with the weight, so I was happy with anything :P. 13th On the grid was gonna give a hectic race.

And that already started in the formationlap.
After that I was following some Beamers which were might fast on the straight. Overtook a LegendsBMW (can't remember how :P) and was behind Stew's RSR. He went off at the s/f straight  ??? and I got by. Then I was behind Andy and I had a hard time trying to find a way past. He later made a mistake in th elast corner and I could get alongside and outbrake him in T1.

Grats Malalala and Dan for the win.

 ;D Fantastic race for Team RVS, Dan and myself, a pb and pole too boot!  :jumpjoy:

Dan just wouldn't leave my beautiful Mosler alone and had to concede the lead lest we accidentally hit but as I'd compromised the gearing for longevity in the Mosler because of its fragile engine, it was going to be only a matter of time anyway.

Apart from that the warmup lap was good and so was the racing, it was fun keeping up with the GT2's too!  :D

After Dan got past it was just a case of pacing myself, the car was a dream to drive, exremely consistent and enjoyable too, towards the end I even started to catch Dan slightly as he was being hassled by TT! most entertaining, grats to all and thanks for the racing.

I was having some pedal issues all race, and at that moment, they decided to sod off for a pint or something, so I went chasing after them, hence straight line off  :stupid:

Good race again...hard work...but enjoyable.

Appologies to Spanner and Prof for falling off track twice on the warmup, and many thanks for letting me take position back. :)...My wheel came lose as I started weaving  ::)

Started reasonable again...matching the lads ahead til I touched the kurb at the last hairpin and lost it onto the grass....again.

Managed to get back some places though, thanks to Spanners generosity and Prof/Bernie eccle falling off ahead of me.

Congrats to tonights winners and podiums...and to the series winners. Good series this one...cant wait for S7.

I'm not sure what was happening, tonight.  >:( Got in, made a few laps, the car felt strange. Then I got a CTD.  :-\ In the quali I was 1 sec off my pb until the very last few minutes, when I was only 0,8 sec off.   :(  The car also felt strange in the race, terrible understeer and $hite outta corners. In the end I got home 5th, after some mistakes from others and a courteous move from Madd-Rip who let me by mercifully in his Mosler. I can't understand, I made my setup yesterday, polished it off today, it felt great.  :blink:

TT

Didn't want to hold you up seeing we were in a different class so felt it only fair, of course my teamie made you work too!

Unofficial Lapchart (http://www.lapcharts.teamshark.org.uk/Lapcharts/Zhuhai LS 11-12-2007/index.html)

Lol, I was mostly making a battle against my car, it felt terrible and every exit was on the brink of disaster.  :D  Thanks, Madd.  :)  I guess I could pass Dan eventually as his tyres were getting worn, but the risk towards the end was too high. Also, my engine was down to 88%.  :(

TT

That's nothing to worry about. Usually the engine only blows once it goed under 60%. But be carefull, as the percetage drops exponentially, so it starts to go down slowly, but goed quicker ever percent you lose. But 88% is absolutely safe...

Mine was 76% in the enduro, that's why I tweaked the gearing tonight to try and save it, and finished with 83% I think.

First off, sorry for my part in the concertina in the warm up lap. I was trying to screw down my wheel properly after it got away a little, and I didn't notice how much Truetom was braking in front of me. I hit the brakes, but he was weaving, and we met :( Fortunately he didn't spin, but the resultant stop for both of us really bunched everybody up behind us - so sorry for that, and sorry for the nudge TT.

After that, I was getting into a nice rythm, when all of a sudden someone spun at T1, TT had to brake sharp, and I had to spin to avoid them. I then got collected by a BMW (Mark McClean possibly), and ended up near the back.

Still, had a good race making my way back up the order - had a good scrap with Mark, teamie Stew, and a few others fell off, giving me places. On the last corner of the last lap, I had a little rallycross moment, and Mark was right there to steal his place back off me - nice driving there Mark - thanks for the clean racing :)

That's actually the first time I've used the RSR in anger. I would normally have picked the Fezza, and been much much slower in it. I don't know why I don't use the Porker more often actually!

Ruskus spotted it :) Incase you lot didn't replay and provisional results published

Managed a PB in quali which pleased me and put me closer to the sharp end. Got caught up in the warm up lap cause I had to slam my brakes on, but no harm done.

Sorry Edamspeed it was me who hit you after you spun, I was mid drift and had no where to go  ;)

My pace soon dropped off, made a few misstakes and lost a few places. For me the BMW seams good over one lap, but I was very slow towards the end.

Party time at Kerbcrawler HQ :jumpjoy: Congrats to PaulR for clinching the GT2 champs and virtually the rest of the team who contributed to his stirling effort to nab the team champs.

I was really enjoying that until I could see Bara catching me. Realising what it meant to Paul, and our team, to keep him behind me produced the most intense pressure I've experience here. Glad to have come through that but also disappointed that Baras race ended in that fashion. You deserved better after battling hard all season and particularly hard tonight.

Only regret I didn't join this championship earlier, unsurprisingly its as good as the others but I can't do them all :'(. Congrats to Mala and Dan tonight. And to Ruskus, Shark and our Paul for championship podiums :)

Indeed - forgot to say...


WELL DONE PAUL R !  ;D :D :-*

Grr is all I can say.

Glad I turned up as it kept my 4th place in the GTC championship which would otherwise have gone to Madd, but a poor race despite better pace in both qually and race than the Endurance thanks to a driver I will not name here overdriving badly in a car often chosen to try and compensate for a lack of ability but which usually ends up emphasizing it. ::) >:( Particularly frustrating because it spoiled what should've been a good scrap between me, Picnic, Stnasky and Shark.

Thanks to both Prof and Picnic for not making it too hard to get past them. ;)

Well done to Paul, JR and Shark for taking the GTC championship podium spots and well done Nissan beating Ferrari in the GTC team championship. ;D

hardly suprising as it is 42 Kg lighter and has the best tyres......and the Fezza was driven by me ::) :laugh:

It's ok, but I can only speak for myself.  ;)  It's usually best to leave some space and of course to look up front.  ;D

TT

Madd-RIP, any chance of getting your Mosler setup? I wouldn't mind giving the Mosler a go at some point off-line at least if I've got a decent base setup to work from. F360 Modena might be my weapon of choice next season, I'm sure it can't be as slow as people are making out. :P

Me too, I'd like to see how you set it up. And if you want, I can show you mine....setup that is. ;D

Got my broadband connected yesteday, but it won't let me do more than ping other sites, so no race for me.

where do i see the engine percentage ... ive only been driving gtr for about 2 and half years so havnt noticed it yet. ::) :D 

Don't worry, you're not going mental :P, it can only been seen with a 3rd party program like GTR²-XD (http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=292968)

I must admit for the Endurance when I first joined the grid I got less than 90% engine health, so I kept ESCing out and back to the grid until I got an engine health above 95%. I then proceeded to mock my team-mates about their engine abuse and continually dropping engine health figures whilst mine sat at the same level until I decided to rag it to catch up or overtake people (I think I lost 5% alone revving the nuts off the Lister whilst catching Brian at the end).

I also try to get the engine health start above 97%. I get nervous when it goes below 90%. This usually happens when I use Italian cars.  ::)   I never have any problems with Porsche (MJ does  :shifty: ), BMW or SEAT. I don't get into high revs too often, mostly shift on first or second red. Yesterday it was the exception as I was pi$$ed annoyed (sorry Dave  :clown: ) with the car and myself. Seems like more on-line training is needed.  :-\

TT

"in a car often chosen to try and compensate for a lack of ability"

Not why I chose it, I watched Top Gear.

This is good too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q8ZNkhxT04

Don't think the car is particularly 'slow'....in the right hands it could possibly compete....but it's an unforgiving beastie that allows little room for error...and when pushed the engine is fragile. Driven within it's limits it will run very consistently lap after lap.....but for someone at a similar skill/experience level as myself, I wouldn't recommend it if you have any hopes of being competetive.

Thats why ive never noticed it..cheers.

Ahh thats whats going on then.... and I always thought it was peeps making last minute checks\changes to their setup. ;D  IMO as good as the XD thingy is especially with positions and times (something a driver could receive over the radio) this takes away a bit of the realism. To me is seems a bit of a shame that we go to all that hassle for realism (with Dave and alls hard work) to randomise something like the weather to have drivers bouncing on and off the grid until they get a decent engine. I don't use it but then we all have the choice so its fair game even if it does offer an very small advantage.

Well that was a very tough race but very pleased to have won my second championship!! Unlucky to Bara for his engine loss in the final laps. As Bara said in practice before the race it was always going to be very tight and for me with Bara's pace and my ballast it was never going to be easy. I generally needed to finish no more than two places behind him so to qualify just in front was a good start so went for my slower at start but more consistant over 40mins setup (basically Med fronts rather than soft). Race started and Mala and SBG both started to dissappear. Adam was hassling me and I dropped back a bit from Madd in the first laps. Adams engine noise was louder than my own for a strange reason and I struggled to get into a rhythm. Bara and Dan passed Adam and then were quickly on my tail. I managed to fend off a challenge from Bara at the last corner but on the next lap he was firmly alongside at the same place and made the pass. Great clean racing mate!! The loss of momentum onto the front straight also allowed Dan to get a run and he was also through.

Bara then also passed Madd and was off chasing the front two so I had to push. Dan and myself also got past Madd but Dan wasn't wasn't hanging around and I had to push hard to keep with him. My car then started to improve and I was able to close in and when Dan got a huge slide out of the final tight right corner I was able to pass approaching the final turn. Bara was flying at this point but I was in 4th so he needed to win. Fortunately for me my teamie SBG was driving a great race and was quite a bit up the road. I was going as fast as I could but wasn't making any impression so it was really out of my hands. Then Bara blew up (what happened mate any warning or did it just pop?) so I was able to relax to the finish.

Many thanks to Bara for a great battle for the championship and also to TT, MJ, RR, Adam Parle and  Brian Kerr all of whom I have had some great races with at points in this series. Many thanks also to my fellow KC's for helping to also bring home the team championship. Nearly the whole team contributed throughout the season! Special thanks to Mo who helped with the setup of the 360 at the start of the season. Congratulations to Jeff on the GTC champ and also Paul and Simon on the GTC podium.

Big thanks again to Dave and all the staff who run this great league. Looking forward to season 7 already!  

My Internet connection died late yesterday morning and is still dead, so racing was not an option last night. An engineer is booked in for monday, but who knows when I'll be back on line.  :( I would have missed the LE race anyway as I'm at the race of champions on Sunday.

Congrats to Paul R on winning the GT2 championship - another fantastic result for the Kerbies  :thumbup2: Congrats also to Mala and Dan their respective victories.

Can't see how it can detract from realism myself...no REAL driver or team would go on track knowing their engine was shagged below parr...surely they would sort it before hand...even at the last minute?.....whilst in online competition we all strive for as much realism as possible, but the way it has to be done is different from the 'actual' real world.

No! No warning at all mate!!  Temps were fine, I had a very slight change of rhythm for some reason (cant even remember what happened but something caught me out) and had to correct the car, nothing major from memory (will have to see replay), then... POP   :o
Maybe I blipped the throttle correcting it and that sent the donkey over the edge?!

Why am I only now reading about engine weaknesses at Zhuhai in Italian cars then? :)

It was a long shot to catch up for the win anyway (impossible without a problem from Mala as he was flying in that Seat!!) but I was really enjoying the chase with SBG! We were both pushing each other faster and faster, but I wasn't over-revving the car really so don't think (hope) that didnt affect it.

Not a nice end to an otherwise v. v. cool season. Had some ups... some downs... some great action... some hits (sorry!!)... some misses...  some good luck... some bad... but all good fun!!


Congratulations Paul R you totally deserved that champ!!  8).
I'm lucky to be where I am in the results really because my consistentcy is still way below you guys.

And of course grats to JR too for class win ;)

Well even though i was effectively last i enjoyed the race! Actually beat my fastest practise lap in qualy. Surprised to see just how close the field was, though probably down to the track more than anything.

I've enjoyed the season, but i really need to work out how to go faster! Well done to everyone though!

I tried the 360m a few times for comparison but it seemed too much 'on the edge' all the time.

Isnt the engine health just a parameter 'invented' for the GTR-XD program? In car Motecs measure oil and water temps. I'm sure ive seen the engine health value vary when i've not done any engine changes in the setup.

Hi everyone, first race for me here and it went really well.

First few laps of qualifying, think I was a bit nervous as the car just didn't feel quite right, eventually got settled down and put a couple of good laps in.

The race went well, managed to get it around the first corner, although I thought it was going in the gravel at one point, and then started to edge away from 'sponsored by ginsters'. Got the gap to about 4 or 5 seconds, which is where it stayed for most of the race.  Tried pushing it a bit further but small mistakes kept creeping in, and I would loose what I had gained earlier in the lap.

Managed to keep it on the track and take the win  :)

I've been running the SEAT quite a bit recently and have actually started to enjoy driving it!  It's quite a big change when you're used to the RSR and Saleen, but once you've got over its tendancy to understeer it's good fun.

Thanks for the race, really enjoyed it.

But thats the point they wouldn't neccessarily know that it was more likely to blow than an identical engine next to it. Thats the nature of engines, with all the moving parts etc.. no two are exactly the same. As this is a sim it is of course possible to make them all the same but that isn't the case. Blimey have done quite a bit of work on all the types of engine that are in the game and their differences (like their max revs, power ranges) and also reliability. I believe it uses oil and water temps, the revs being used and a random starting health factor to attempt to simulate the randomness possible engine failures. This is obviously evident as people using the XD monitor can see their engines starting health. By leaving the grid and rejoining they get a new value, rinse and repeat until you randomly get a high value. How is this realistic?

I am certainly not complaining as anyone can use XD and it certainly doesn't bother me that by not using it I am at a very slight disadvantage by not knowing how hard I can push the engine. But for me knowing my engine health like a percentage would take away a bit of my illusion that I am not actually racing  :D

I use XD and I never worry about my engine health. Then again my "French" car is a lot more reliable than the US or Italian rubbish. ;) :laugh:

Precisely Gizmo and one of the reasons I've stopped using the horrid American cars. The Italian cars are far better than the American cars for engine realibility and starting health, whilst the Jap and German cars are even better.

P.S. If you're using manual clutch and not lifting whilst shifting up then you are putting a massive amount more strain on the engine, that is certainly why Jeff's engine health plummits at 3 times the rate mine do.

 ;D ;D ;D 

I thought you were very unlucky this year mate. 2 blown engines and the thing with your name putting you to the back of the grid. Take those out and you would have won. I fortunately didn't have any bad races and that obviously helps if you don't actually win a race! In fact not including any fun races I have won more championships than races now :D . Not sure what that says about my driving  :wheelchair:  Many thanks for the congrats I look forward to more dueling next season  :fencing:

Just noticed you are only just up the road from me. One of my mates married a Salisbury lass and lives there now so have had many a good night out there and days at the gee gees!   

That is true, but it's weirder than that. The only time my revs hit red, is in the upshifts, which is very briefly. On the main straight and on dowshift blips I never ever hit red. I heard you talking about revving the ...  out of the engine on the mainstraight. You'd expect a few seconds a lap redlining it would be worst than brief upshift moments.

Oh wow! Yeah just noticed where you are too! :)
We shall have to meet up when the motor racing season starts again - go watch some classics at Combe or something ;)

Yeah I had quite a bit of bad luck actually didn't I - bit of a Raikonnen season (in his McLaren days) haha.

I only live 5 miles from Combe and I'm there every race meeting - I get a season ticket every year. Give us a shout if you get to any of the meetings next year. If you forget I'm usually in the paddock at lunch time with the 67 Focus from the saloons. My mate Terry drives this one, and with luck Paul will be back out with his Impreza next year too.

Great! Is it the May bank holiday (or earlier?) that they do the 1st HTCC round (Top Hat that merged with another classics series that I cannot remember the name of).... that is always good, will definately go to that, so see you there for sure :D

Which Paul are you referring to ?

Combe has 2 or 3 historic race weekends, I can't remember which is which to be honest. Bit of a shock but Combe have the race dates up for next year, that's well organised for them ;)

Monday, March 24, 2008    Classic Saloon Raceday 
Monday, May 05, 2008    Husqvarna Springtime Raceday 
Monday, May 26, 2008    Caterham Carnival 
Saturday, July 19, 2008/ Sunday, July 20, 2008    Dunlop Great and British Motorsport Festival 
Saturday, August 02, 2008/ Sunday, August 03, 2008    Historic Racing Festival 
Monday, August 25, 2008    Sportscar Raceday 
Saturday, September 13, 2008    MG Raceday 
Saturday, October 04, 2008    Formula Ford Carnival


Sorry, Paul like Terry are friends of mine who race in the Combe saloon car championship. Nobody here.

That's the one! Will hopefully be nice weather by then for spectating.