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Title: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 11, 2008, 03:49:12 PM +0000
Practice 1:20:00(25 mins)
Qual 2:20:25(30 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Silverstone ('Northampton') GP (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_silverstone))
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Championship standings can be found on the series page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=71&theme=3).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: picnic on January 11, 2008, 04:31:33 PM +0000
If there is no registration for S7 Endurance races do we need all the practice / qual sessions and mention of clubmen ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 11, 2008, 05:57:37 PM +0000
Was wondering about the same thing...  :winkiss:

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Joss on January 11, 2008, 06:04:14 PM +0000
Who on earth are clubmen?  :hammer: :wetfish: People like that?
I'm assuming it's just arrive and drive for everyone ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 11, 2008, 06:16:42 PM +0000
That'll teach me to post stuff at work when I keep being interrupted! ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Kerr on January 12, 2008, 03:40:09 PM +0000
Raring to go. I like the track as do most others.

It should hopefully be a good one.

I'm only concerned that with the opening race the demand is really high and a few of the regulars miss out due to the ones who start the season then dissapear.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: ginsters sponsored on January 14, 2008, 11:16:01 AM +0000
I'm only concerned that with the opening race the demand is really high and a few of the regulars miss out due to the ones who start the season then dissapear.

Me too :'( I'd hate to do the pracci and then not get in. Still, trust the managements math and get there early just in case  ;)

I'll prolly be using the RSR for enduro for a change. Although I will move to GT3 if numbers need making up. Can we have a head count?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 14, 2008, 11:22:38 AM +0000
I'll prolly be using the RSR for enduro for a change. Although I will move to GT3 if numbers need making up. Can we have a head count?

GT2 for me. Probably a BiTurbo or Seat :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 14, 2008, 11:35:35 AM +0000
Can we have a head count?

'Show of hands' poll added.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 14, 2008, 12:50:12 PM +0000
I'm only concerned that with the opening race the demand is really high and a few of the regulars miss out due to the ones who start the season then dissapear.

Brian said it all.  :(

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Andy Eves on January 14, 2008, 01:50:24 PM +0000
GT2 as well, done some pratice last night and thought I was doing well intill I seen the lap record.  :(

Iam looking forward to doing my first full season.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: spanner on January 14, 2008, 08:01:04 PM +0000
If the server can take 32 are we likely to run out of slots?

I'll be going GT2 for this one. Not sure about what i'm going to do with all that power ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 14, 2008, 08:16:32 PM +0000
If the server can take 32 are we likely to run out of slots?

Unlikely - we'll see, won't we.

Need more GT3 runners. Come on, yer pansies! :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Ade on January 14, 2008, 09:03:01 PM +0000
I'll be there in GT3.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: ginsters sponsored on January 15, 2008, 01:16:38 PM +0000
Clearly the GT3 numbers need boosting. I'm sure we can have as much fun as last season so I'll have a punt there  :) Now 811 or Viper?

Think PR will be bolstering GT3 ranks as well :) Wonder if he'll be in the bimmer this time?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Mark J on January 15, 2008, 01:24:07 PM +0000
can we have a more global endurance poll to see who is going to race in what class across the two proposed endurane championships? It will help people in their decisions for class choice.
I can probably only commit to one series this time around and even that is 'house-move' dependant, so would rather commit to the more popular series whether that be GT1/GTC or the GT2/GT3 events.
Of course should i get the green light on any random sundays i will attend as many as possible  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 15, 2008, 01:55:32 PM +0000
can we have a more global endurance poll to see who is going to race in what class across the two proposed endurane championships? It will help people in their decisions for class choice.

There's bu**er all point - if a poll could be accurate there'd be a point in running registration, but for the last 3 or 4 seasons I've run registation and then half the bu**gers haven't turned up. I was going to dump one Endurance and run two Sprints and a Sunday Race'07 series but was persuaded to keep two Endurance and dump a Sprint instead - if one turns out to be poorly attended it'll be dropped and replaced by something else.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Mark J on January 15, 2008, 02:45:17 PM +0000
eh, guess your right. Just thought a visual indicator might help the more committed people decide and make one or other a healthier series rather than a meagre handful in each  :-\
I can see the GT2/GT3 one dying on its ass otherwise  :(

I expect you have already considered it, but why not run all 4 classes in the same event? At least that way you get a pretty full grid of cars, albeit multi-class. I would rather other cars on track even if they are not direct competitors in your chosen class than empty tarmac. Could be a good solution if attendances turn out low within a few rounds.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 15, 2008, 03:21:11 PM +0000
I expect you have already considered it, but why not run all 4 classes in the same event?

Then we have the same problem we had last time out with GT3 - 3 or 4 runners, not enough to justify a championship.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: R. Midderhoff on January 15, 2008, 07:35:45 PM +0000
I'll drive GT3 This season.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 15, 2008, 10:35:39 PM +0000
I'm doing GT3 this season, either the Z3M or the 911 Cup. Then again not sure I want to be seen driving Jonzo's precious 911. :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 15, 2008, 11:27:57 PM +0000
Yep, going for the Seat. Thing is so understeery that I've dettached the front ARB and removed the rear wing :P (2-1 wing). With that I did a 1:47.7 on a dry track, still it felt like it was wet :P.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Mark J on January 16, 2008, 12:02:25 PM +0000
Quote from: Simon 'Shark' Gymer
not sure I want to be seen driving Jonzo's precious 911. :P

not sure i want to see you in one either...sully the marque  ;)

If i can make any of this enduro i'll jump in a Gt3 cup car to do battle with you lot  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 18, 2008, 07:07:20 AM +0000
Yep, going for the Seat. Thing is so understeery that I've dettached the front ARB and removed the rear wing :P (2-1 wing). With that I did a 1:47.7 on a dry track, still it felt like it was wet :P.

What's your race pace then?  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2008, 07:37:18 AM +0000
What's your race pace then?  :)

TT

Don't know about the Seat, but it's usually 1-1,5s slower than quallypace :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 18, 2008, 07:58:58 AM +0000
How's tyre wear here?   :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2008, 08:10:41 AM +0000
How's tyre wear here?   :)

TT

No idea :D. I'll found out sunday. I think between terrible and very terrible, same as fuel consumption and engine health :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 18, 2008, 10:11:39 AM +0000
How's tyre wear here?   :)

TT

No idea :D. I'll found out sunday. I think between terrible and very terrible, same as fuel consumption and engine health :P

Seems like it's something to look forward to...  :P

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Joss on January 18, 2008, 11:04:49 AM +0000
Recently Jeff has enjoyed punishing himself with his car selection.....at least the SEAT is fast on the straights!  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 02:47:52 PM +0000
Don't forget to set your ballasts guys.  ;)

I'm going for 20KG.  I would go heavier but the compulsory Legends survival pack of Cinzano and cigars already weighs the car down 40KG  ;) ;D

How heavy will you go?  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 18, 2008, 02:55:19 PM +0000
I'm not taking any ballast because I'm taking the Z3M. If it's actually competitive then I'll take ballast for future races, but I suspect the car will be handicap enough.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 18, 2008, 03:37:54 PM +0000
I figure the Viper CC is probably heavy enough already! :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: popabawa on January 18, 2008, 04:06:12 PM +0000
Awww... a few kg's of ballast too much for you Gymer boys is it? Well, I s'pose you need all the help you can get ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 04:20:29 PM +0000
While the Legends opt for ballast and close racing, it looks like Teamshark haven't changed and will do anything to win the title.  ;) ;D

*Darren downgraded to reserve for GTC Sprint*  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 04:40:40 PM +0000
Joking aside, you guys both should take ballast, even a few KGs, just to set an example for everyone else.   If the Mods don't take the ballast system serious, why should anyone else?

Yes Shark you have penalised yourself by car choice, but what about other drivers who choose the same car?  Surely you deserve more ballast than someone who is slower...

Gizmo, we both know the Viper is very competitive in GT3, so don't be shy, add those pounds. ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: ginsters sponsored on January 18, 2008, 04:49:48 PM +0000
I'm not gonna decide on ballast until I've seen the opposition I face and what machinery they use :) Then I will have a better feel of what will give me closer races. Should need -20 I guess.

Really, unless your an alien, its impossible to guess what to take. Hopefully the aliens will take some ballast prior to R1 and then us mid-fielders will decide on some after that.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 18, 2008, 04:59:50 PM +0000
Joking aside, you guys both should take ballast, even a few KGs, just to set an example for everyone else.   If the Mods don't take the ballast system serious, why should anyone else?

Yes Shark you have penalised yourself by car choice, but what about other drivers who choose the same car?  Surely you deserve more ballast than someone who is slower...

Gizmo, we both know the Viper is very competitive in GT3, so don't be shy, add those pounds. ;D

I don't know that anyone else is taking the Z3M. I want to have racing fun and I think I'll do that by not taking any driver ballast and hoping my talent can bring my slower car up to the 911 Cup and Viper CC. After the first race I can judge it better. It's voluntary ballast and I see no reason at this stage to take any. If I were taking the 911 Cup I would take some, but I'm not. If I change cars halfway through the season, if for example I'm not having any fun in the Z3M for whatever reason, then I will probably take some driver ballast. The fact that it's voluntary means that the each driver is allowed to make a judgement call on whether taking x amount of extra driver ballast is something they feel they should do or not. It's not up to others to second guess what everyone else is doing.

If people are going to start moaning already before the season has kicked off about people not taking the right ballast in their eyes, then what's the point in it being voluntary? It's designed to help people create the racing that they individually want to create, e.g. if an alien wants to waltz off into a lot of lonely vitctories by taking no ballast and a fast car then that's his choice. But if he wants to take some ballast and maybe a harder/slower car to get some competition then that's his choice too. Then again if someone is winning easily, then perhaps they deserve to, it's not that driver's responsibility to make the racing good for the rest of the pack.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 05:00:17 PM +0000
Granted, it's difficult to know what ballast to take early on.  But if everyone is going to wait a couple of races before applying ballast, we will have to wait until race 4-5 before it settles down and we start to see the benefits.  If that is the case, we would be better off using the success ballast system from S6...

BTW Simon I was not moaning, I was making a suggestion.  Anyway, it wasn't my idea to make personal ballast voluntary.  ::)

I was under the impression that ability based ballast was backed by the majority here to help provide closer racing for all.  So why has opinion suddenly changed?  Personal ballast should only be used to level the playing field, not to gain advantage over your rivals.

I'm sticking to my initial 20KG ballast, so if the guys I normally race with want to continue our little battles (you know who you are) you know what ballast to take. ;)

 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Paul968 on January 18, 2008, 05:28:36 PM +0000
Surely if you need less ballast to survive in the Z3 Simon then the Z3 should be lighter as standard?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 18, 2008, 05:41:58 PM +0000
As to ViperCC - it outclassed the 811 all over allready, so ...  :-*

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 18, 2008, 05:59:53 PM +0000
As to ViperCC - it outclassed the 811 all over allready, so ...  :-*

The only tracks where I got close to good results in Season 6 in the VCC were the very fast ones like Monza. At most events I came out of the pits after taking on my requisite 8 million litres of fuel to find all the 811s and Z3Ms had gained the best part of a lap over me.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2008, 06:18:05 PM +0000
I'm not gonna take ballast as well. I have no idea how the Seat behaves in an enduro so I'd rather test it without any weight, than with. And besides, it already drives like a truck, and consumes the same :).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 06:22:27 PM +0000
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but haven't the cars been given ballast/physics changes to even out performance?  Ok there are a few cars that are clearly outclassed, but I don't believe the Seat is one of them.

I was planning on taking the Seat with 20KG of personal ballast.  Oh well, looks like I had better get used to the back of the grid.  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2008, 06:31:18 PM +0000
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but haven't the cars been given ballast/physics changes to even out performance?  Ok there are a few cars that are clearly outclassed, but I don't believe the Seat is one of them.

I was planning on taking the Seat with 20KG of personal ballast.  Oh well, looks like I had better get used to the back of the grid.  :'(

Could be, don't care really. I want to test the car how it is without ballast, simple as that.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 06:38:37 PM +0000
Could be, don't care really. I want to test the car how it is without ballast, simple as that.

Isn't that what practise is for?  ::)

Fair enough Jeff, personal ballast is "voluntary" after all.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 18, 2008, 07:39:46 PM +0000
Found a sign to use next to the Legends pit garage...
(http://www.beatcanvas.com/gallery/pics/stop_making_excuses.jpg)

 :-*


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 07:49:31 PM +0000
Actually this would be more appropriate  :-*

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/KLN/sm135_b.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 18, 2008, 08:00:48 PM +0000
This one has kept people out of the Team Shark garage quite well over the years...
(http://www.retroplanet.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/17260.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 08:02:42 PM +0000
I quite like this one.  ;D

(http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/KLN/SM115~Please-Knock-First-Posters.jpg)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 18, 2008, 08:59:51 PM +0000
I never practice a race before an official race so I won't do it this time as well. For Christ sake I've driven a heavily ballast car the whole previous season, it destroyed the whole season for me. I want to try one .... race without ballast and then this.
Might take a season off 1 season earlier and go to R2P. There is always something. >:(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 18, 2008, 09:52:37 PM +0000
I never practice a race before an official race so I won't do it this time as well. For ***** sake I've driven a heavily ballast car the whole previous season, it destroyed the whole season for me. I want to try one .... race without ballast and then this.
Might take a season off 1 season earlier and go to R2P. There is always something. >:(

By Herring, don't take things so personally. Nobody's forcing you to take ballast you don't want to take, and if people start trying to bully others into taking Xkg of ballast they'll be told to Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Zacari on January 18, 2008, 11:08:04 PM +0000
Think I'll be making my first race in a while if there's room, possibly in the 360GTC :)  Hope things haven't changed too much since S6!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 18, 2008, 11:14:33 PM +0000
Shouldn't that be Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform?  :whistling:

Anyway....

Jeff, I appreciate your honestly for saying upfront that you won't be taking any ballast for this race.  I have no problem with that.  My only issue was that you suggested the reasons for doing this is because your chosen car isn't competitive and that you had no idea how it would perform during an endurance race.  I was only commenting that I didn't believe the Seat would struggle and that certain information could be gathered through practise.  Actually I've found the Seat to be no slower than the RSR and the M3.  In fact, it also consumes roughly the same amount of fuel and has similar tyre wear to the other two.

I agree with Dave that no one should be forced to take on board ballast they don't want.  However, my biggest concern is that there is currently no real incentive to volunteer for personal ballast, and therefore I can see this system failing before the season even starts.  :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 19, 2008, 01:08:37 AM +0000
For me it's quite obvious why not to take weight for this race:

1) Seat is already horrible to drive even without weight.
2) I have no idea where the Seat puts me without weight, so I have no idea what to take.
3) Long time since I've driven an unballast car.

So for ... saké, can we just wait AFTER this race before we start disagreeing people's choice of weight.

There is a F1 1979 series at R2P at the time this is held. This will still be first pick, but might not be after sunday.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Joss on January 19, 2008, 03:20:15 AM +0000
I think Jeff's a little more passionate than I am about this, but the issue is one and the same.

I feel sorry that Jeff feels pressured to take weight just because he's fast. As many journalists have previously pointed out, it's not about slowing down the fast guys, it's waiting for the slower ones to catch up! ;D
If I personally knew the competition would be identical to the end of S6 where I competed in 2 races, it'd be easier to take ballast because you know where you stand, but I don't know how S7 will start out, how fast Jeff'll be, how fast Adam or Brian or Darren or anyone else will be. So I doubt I'll take anything for this race.

If I win the race by a minute, I know I need to add ballast, but that only really happens after the race. Everyone picks their own weight, but I'd advise Darren not to penalise himself too much, if at all. Dave's pointed out it will make the racing closer (I'm sure it will). Personally, I'd rather pick a car I don't like instead of ballast to handicap myself.

I think we should keep all ballast discussion in the S7 ballast thread. This should just be for the race. :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Kerr on January 19, 2008, 10:47:22 AM +0000
Darren the incentive for carrying more weight is the percentage bonus system that Dave has set.    I don't expect to see anyone taking ballast for the first race. I'm not as I've no idea who is racing and what car. Also I've noticed a great improvement in a few drivers.      I will do a race or two and see how things stand rather than putting on the pounds and getting thrashed first race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 19, 2008, 10:13:10 PM +0000
Can the practiceserver please be set on a dry Silverstone GP? Having to test in 20% wet all the time is usless for sunday.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Prof on January 19, 2008, 10:52:44 PM +0000
Picnic tells me he's changed it  :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: JonM_uk on January 20, 2008, 10:33:15 AM +0000
I'm a bit outta shape but I'll be taking the RSR if I race. Ballast suggestions? What are other ppl taking who are driving the RSR?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 20, 2008, 10:57:04 AM +0000
It would be nice if the System Administrator  ;) could implement an extra table somewhere or extra column so people can see the voluntary ballasts that others are taking. Not so important this week with everyone working out where they are and what ballast they should take in general, but in future it might be a good idea to be able to see what ballasts people are taking to make better calls on what to take yourself.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 20, 2008, 11:09:53 AM +0000
It would be nice if the System Administrator  ;) could implement an extra table somewhere or extra column so people can see the voluntary ballasts that others are taking. Not so important this week with everyone working out where they are and what ballast they should take in general, but in future it might be a good idea to be able to see what ballasts people are taking to make better calls on what to take yourself.

Once the ballast file is generated you'll be able to see, but that won't happen until just before the race.

What we don't want is any brinkmanship with the ballasts. In fact, given the whinging we've already had the last thing I want is a "you changed your ballast just before the race" argument after every event! ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jimmie on January 20, 2008, 11:34:51 AM +0000
Found a sign to use next to the Legends pit garage...
Stop image (http://www.beatcanvas.com/gallery/pics/stop_making_excuses.jpg)

 :-*

(http://www.themoa.net/b2evolution/blogs/media/stop1.png)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Mark J on January 20, 2008, 12:18:26 PM +0000
just a quick confirmation please, is the track (The rF track conversion)the same as we used last season? or do i need to re-download it?

Hope i can make tonight but not sure yet.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 20, 2008, 02:22:06 PM +0000
I'm taking 20 kg. Just to rub the salt in...  :winkiss:

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 02:55:26 PM +0000
Those Legends probably take the weight so they can blame that for finishing at the back. So they can complain after the race that Team Shark should have taken weight and bladiebladieblaaaaa.... tumbleweed :shifty: :clown:

Wine, official sponsor of Legends Racing... :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Zacari on January 20, 2008, 03:24:41 PM +0000
I can guarantee now I wont be taking voluntary ballast, at least for the first couple of races.  After that I might but only if I'm not getting any good battles on the track, and assuming more weight wont kill the tyre or fuel usage.

There does come a point where more weight kills the fun factor more than not being able to directly race people; it was getting like that with the Lister in S6, and I think JR and other aliens have been beyond that point for a while, so I don't blame them at all for not instantly chucking on tons of ballast.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 03:51:35 PM +0000
I might join a bit later (5-10 min.), could that mean the server will be full?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: popabawa on January 20, 2008, 03:58:47 PM +0000
My understanding was that it was intended to be a personal ballast, i.e. independent of car choice, that's why I think we've been surprised by some of the unwillingness to take ballast.

Looks like most have taken a different interpretation so we'll have to take that into consideration.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 04:40:33 PM +0000
How many of you whiners have driven with ballast last season? Well....? Especially 40 or more kg....none! So those people have NOTHING to complain that others now don't take ballast.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: popabawa on January 20, 2008, 04:49:58 PM +0000
I've re-read my post and really can't see how you can be accuse me of whining Jeff, it was a simple attempt to try to explain a point of view and what had prompted some of the previous posts.

I'm quite disappointed you can't discuss this issue without resorting to making comments like that.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 20, 2008, 05:03:30 PM +0000
Personally Jeff I don't care if you take ballast or not, you would win anyway.  I also find your comments insulting.  >:(

Ability based ballast (personal ballast) was discussed at length before season 7.  At the time the majority agreed it would be beneficial for the league.  At no point was there strong opposition against it.

This is why myself and others have been surprised by the sudden lack of support for it now that the season is officially here.

I'm sticking to 20KG of personal ballast, and no you WON'T find me using it as an excuse no matter how badly I do.

At least I can say I've done my bit for the league by helping the 2 drivers that are slower than me.   :P

P.S. don't forget to wave when you lap me.  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 05:09:49 PM +0000
This is why myself and others have been surprised by the sudden lack of support for it now that the season is officially here.

Because I've experienced how it is to drive with a very heavy car, you haven't. Why don't you try 50kg or more, then we can talk about how great weight is.

And to give it short, I don't want to race with you by giving me ballast. I want to fight with the guys of the same pace. That have been the best races for me, battling with a group of about 5 who can all do same laptimes, without having to add ballast.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Madd-RIP on January 20, 2008, 05:10:15 PM +0000
I think you may find that both myself and SBG had the full 60kgs at the tail end of the GT3 season due to both of our successes, and no, we didn't whine.
and further to the discussion I have added 20kgs for my car for appraisal purposes and due to the fact that both SBG and myself still were competitive (just) with the weights, so I've decided to throw my cards on the table and see how I fare.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Zacari on January 20, 2008, 05:14:25 PM +0000
Looks like most have taken a different interpretation so we'll have to take that into consideration.

This reads as a slightly sarcastic statement in my eyes, designed to guilt people who are fast into taking ballast when it's entirely voluntary to do so, and in doing so sounds like a whine.

Voluntary ballast is exactly that, voluntary.  Nobody has any scope for demanding someone have lots of ballast with this system.  Christ we never had this issue in the seasons before we had any ballast, maybe just eliminating the entire ballasting system would be the way to go?  That way people will just have to get used to competing with people of a similar ability to themselvs.

I also don't really understand why you care if JR runs with lots or zero ballast, anyway.  As long as you're having close racing that's all that matters, isn't it?



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Paul968 on January 20, 2008, 05:17:27 PM +0000
OK, as someone who carried a lot of ballast last season, I'll stick up for Pops and the others. I'd like to see all the fast drivers taking some ballast, although allowing for car choice. If they don't then the whole system effectively breaks down, or at least, it will be nothing like last season.

It all depends how you see the new system. If you expect it to be a refined version of last season's system then it sort of assumes everyone will take ballast roughly in line with Darren's table (although it is up to the individual to choose the exact amount). At the moment I don't see things working out like this. The new system is more likely to see a few generous individuals take extra ballast to slow them down and let them race mid-pack, but there won't be many doing this IMO.




Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: jan duijs on January 20, 2008, 05:21:49 PM +0000
I take my mother in law for a spin tonight,she ways 85 kg  >:( >:(

Jan


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Zacari on January 20, 2008, 05:37:41 PM +0000
Well, I preferred it when only the performance of the cars was being adjusted with ballast rather than the racers.  I'd much rather beat someone on an even footing rather than relying on weight penalties to give me a better finishing position.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 20, 2008, 05:38:11 PM +0000
This is why myself and others have been surprised by the sudden lack of support for it now that the season is officially here.

Because I've experienced how it is to drive with a very heavy car, you haven't. Why don't you try 50kg or more, then we can talk about how great weight is.

And to give it short, I don't want to race with you by giving me ballast. I want to fight with the guys of the same pace. That have been the best races for me, battling with a group of about 5 who can all do same laptimes, without having to add ballast.


Jeff, my disappointment has been at the GENERAL lack of support for the system which was discussed for weeks and has at no point been aimed directly at YOU!

Also, if you were so unhappy about the proposed system why do you wait until the eve of the first race to object?

I realise you are in difficult position by being one of the fastest drivers here, but the fact is (as Paul says) if the faster drivers don't take ballast the whole system becomes unworkable.

So as a league we have an important decision to make.  Either we back ability based ballast or we scrap it completely!!!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 20, 2008, 05:39:38 PM +0000
Well, I preferred it when only the performance of the cars was being adjusted with ballast rather than the racers.  I'd much rather beat someone on an even footing rather than relying on weight penalties to give me a better finishing position.

Fine, if that's what everyone wants, let's do that and get back to what's important.... RACING and having FUN!!!!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 05:42:53 PM +0000
Successballast seemed like a good thing before S6. But the season proved me wrong for me.
I don't know how this ballastsystem will work out, but I want to see it on action first.
Complaining before it's even used is just useless. How can you (in genereal) judge a system without testing it. That's why I wanted to see it in S6 and that's why I want to wait after this race. before I judge this system.
If people want to take weight, fine by me. But for the love of God, let people also make the decision of not taking weight and don't blame them for doing!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: DynoDaz on January 20, 2008, 05:55:41 PM +0000
How can you (in genereal) judge a system without testing it.

BINGO!!!

Sorry guys, but this whole affair has let a rather sour taste in my mouth.  I don't expect to receive personal attacks for fighting for someone only a month ago was considered a good idea by the majority here. 

Even if I joined tonight's race I'm not in the mood to enjoy it.  Therefore it's only fair to bow out now and allow someone else to take my place.

Hope everyone has a great race!!!



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: popabawa on January 20, 2008, 06:09:30 PM +0000
Looks like most have taken a different interpretation so we'll have to take that into consideration.
This reads as a slightly sarcastic statement in my eyes, designed to guilt people who are fast into taking ballast when it's entirely voluntary to do so, and in doing so sounds like a whine.

Well, I'm sorry if you read it that way but it really wasn't intended like that but I guess you'll have to take my word for that :-\

I just meant that if everyone else has a different view on how the ballast is going to work then maybe we need to re-think what ballasts are personally appropriate.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Adam Parle on January 20, 2008, 06:22:53 PM +0000
Lets just draw a line under this ballast thing and get on with the driving.  That's what we're all here for after all.  Whatever changes are made, nothing's going to make it a level playing field - not tinkering with the cars, not adding ballast, because ultimately we are not all equal in driver ability.

I think the voluntary balast system is an interesting one, but ultimately all it's likely to do is change the small group of drivers we regularly fight on the track.  There are still going to be groups of people of a similar pace, be it because of ballst or car-tinkering, and there will be people that are faster or slower that we'll not see anything of during a race.

Last season we tried to reign in the faster drivers with added weight ... to a certain extent it worked, but it wasn't a perfect system.

No system is perfect, and neither is the voluntary one.  Let those who have taken ballast take ballast, let those that haven't take none, lets find out who we're racing with if it's changed at all, and lets put this unneccesary moaning about moaning about whinging about whining about ballast behind us and remember it's meant to be A BIT OF FUN - NOT LIFE OR DEATH.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: ginsters sponsored on January 20, 2008, 06:43:27 PM +0000
No one wants to see you pulling out Darren  :( Race tonight and then we can discuss ballast thing.




Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Zacari on January 20, 2008, 06:54:48 PM +0000
Looking at the forecast, I expect the weather will play more than a small part in the race which will be very cool 8)  Damp races are always eventful!

Looks like most have taken a different interpretation so we'll have to take that into consideration.
This reads as a slightly sarcastic statement in my eyes, designed to guilt people who are fast into taking ballast when it's entirely voluntary to do so, and in doing so sounds like a whine.

Well, I'm sorry if you read it that way but it really wasn't intended like that but I guess you'll have to take my word for that :-\

I just meant that if everyone else has a different view on how the ballast is going to work then maybe we need to re-think what ballasts are personally appropriate.

Totally fair point, I take the way you meant it 100%.  I'm not sure how it's going to shape up either!  If I'm miles from who I'd normally be battling, I'll adjust things.  I think it'll be a while before things settle down, hopefully this apprehension will be forgotten after a few races :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Kerr on January 20, 2008, 07:40:22 PM +0000
I think the bottom line is this is the first race of a new season.

There is new drivers in new cars and as I've said before it's hard to tell how it's going to go. I'm sure there will be a few surprises tonight.

Lets wait and see how the race goes and lets decide after that.

I think the system has a good chance of working as everyone wants to have close, fair racing. I don't often see a driver gloating about the fact he dissapeared away into the distance.

I'm sure once everybody finds their level in their chosen car and takes into account track preferences too, I'm sure all drivers will make the effort to balance the difference out.

Until then please all be fair. No need to pressure of argue over who should be doing what.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 20, 2008, 07:57:15 PM +0000
The ballast isn't there to even everybody out. I said over and over in the previous discussions that there is no chance whatsoever of being able to dish out enough ballast to do that and the very idea was unworkable.

If you aren't fast enough to compete with somebody, you need to drive faster. There is no earthly reason why they should be penalised because you aren't fast enough.

The voluntary handicap is there so that drivers who know they are very fast, and don't want a boring race where they zoom off into the sunset to win by 3 laps, can give themselves a handicap and make life more interesting for themselves.

Claims that an enforced banded handicap had the support of "the majority" have no basis in fact - no poll was ever conducted and only the tiny vocal minority who get involved with these discussions ever voiced an opinion. We will see by the end of the season - probably even by mid-season - whether the handicap system becomes popular or whether "the majority" will vote with their feet and walk away from it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Stewprovo on January 20, 2008, 09:11:27 PM +0000
%&*^$#?"$# :censored:!!!!!!!

Punted off on  warm-up lap, re-joined dead last, only to disco 30 secs later. And after I'd driven 350 miles home, getting in at 8:01 pm, to race. Not a happy bunny!! :cursing:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jimmie on January 20, 2008, 10:06:10 PM +0000
What a race it was :)

After a long period of being inactive, my qualy time was quite poor, I actually matched my qually in the race with meds and 40 liters of fuel so that says enough ;D

Very fun battles and chases with various drivers around 10-12th place. The 360GTC lacks a tiny bit of speed on the straights so overtaking was really hard.

Pitty my race had to end because of a blown engine, lost apex a bit at turn 1, shifted from 4 to 3 and the engine went burpppppp and smokey smokey (it didn't rev past the redline though, so it was kinda odd)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: pribeiro on January 20, 2008, 10:30:28 PM +0000
Not quite the best result for the very first race. Im not talking about final position,
im talking about blowing my engine when only left 4 minutes to the end. :cursing:
Untill there, i had some good batles and some fun.  :yes:
Anyway, congratulations to who won the own classes.  :) and to all that finished.
Thanks to all backmarkers, very gentling manouvers to let us pass.  :clap:
Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Madd-RIP on January 20, 2008, 10:31:52 PM +0000
Well that went all wrong, lapses in concentration pretty much cost me a whole lap to SBG....the shame of it, I hope this isn't a sign of things to come for me!  :'( .
I decided to finish just for team points, was cruising in the end with no hope of catching anyone.

Congrats to both podiums.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: JonM_uk on January 20, 2008, 10:34:15 PM +0000
Had a good race but I hadn't had eaten enough for tea and cus of the old diabetes had to make a pitstop for food :-[ ;D 13mins later all was well but was 8 laps down. Was a good race till then.
Grats SBG and Freq. Nice race all 8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Minton on January 20, 2008, 10:35:55 PM +0000
Tough tough race...got pole with a pb . Managed to get away from Paul at the start and got into a rythem, had few seconds in hand when i made my pitstop . When i left the pits i knew i shouldnt have changed my tires ,this left me behind sbg and paul968 and we were all doing similar laptimes so there was no way to catch up.
grats to SBG and Ferq on the wins and Paul for a great drive with 40kg on board.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 20, 2008, 10:38:24 PM +0000
I was only 2.5 seconds a lap slower than the drivers I normally race, so I definitely should have taken some ballast. What was I thinking not taking ballast, silly me. ::) My race would have been so much better with 40kg extra ballast.  :-*

That was a dull race for me. Viper CCs aren't really any fun to race with unfortunately as if they are roughly the same speed as you, you can't overtake and they can and that's all there is to it. Given that the Z3M is way way off the 911 Cup pace there are none of them to race either. My only hope is a better setup and more Z3M drivers otherwise this could be a long old season.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 20, 2008, 10:43:00 PM +0000
That was fun in patches and hard work. Knew I was never going to touch the 811s but had a good opening stint despite Robert cheekily nipping through whilst I was letting some GT2 cars past. :laugh:

Managed to pull away a little from Picnic and Shark behind but there wasn't much in it and I figured after the stop Shark would be long gone as I needed both tyres and a nearly 30 seconds of refuelling - not to mention my hard rears and medium fronts only really lasting for 35 minutes. It must've been just before my stop that I had drawn up to the back of Madd-RIP and whilst trying to put him under pressure he lost it on his own in Abbey and, broadside across the track I was unable to avoid him and my Viper picked up some light front end damage whilst his 811 barrel-rolled into the sky! :o

Pit crew signalled me in only to find JR in my box! Luckily he was just leaving so I only lost a few seconds but that allowed Picnic to close right up and I had to work hard to ensure I didn't mess up and allow him past whilst I got my tyres warmed up again. Pulled away a little and found myself closing up on Shark who was starting to struggle. Eventually managed to get alongside when he ran wide out of Priory and we ran side by side through Brooklands and Luffield. Unfortunately, in trying to stay right behind me through Copse he spun off and I was left to make my lonely way to the finish.

Not sure what was going on with the disco's/crashes in practice and qualifying, seemed okay in the race but Stewprovo's early bath probably brought the server back down to 28 runners anyway.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: pribeiro on January 20, 2008, 10:43:22 PM +0000
I was only 2.5 seconds a lap slower than the drivers I normally race, so I definitely should have taken some ballast. What was I thinking not taking ballast, silly me. ::) My race would have been so much better with 40kg extra ballast.  :-*

That was a dull race for me. Viper CCs aren't really any fun to race with unfortunately as if they are roughly the same speed as you, you can't overtake and they can and that's all there is to it. Given that the Z3M is way way off the 911 Cup pace there are none of them to race either. My only hope is a better setup and more Z3M drivers otherwise this could be a long old season.

I know your feeling....believe me  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Kerr on January 20, 2008, 10:44:34 PM +0000
Had next to no practice for this one after being away down south all weekend.

My game completely froze twice in practice session and i got only a few practice laps in. Then in qualifying the very same again. It always happened when someone joined or left the session.

Watched Freq do what he did last season when he took the BMW out. He always seems to be further down the grid until last minute and comes up with pole with great times.

My race set up was hopeless. Felt really soft and wobbly at the back end. It really seemed like the 5 minute job it was.

Was keeping Backo behind for most of the first stint. Managed to catch up Pablo and make a move on him.

I think Pablo spun as I passed, but I'm sure we had no contact and I played no part in it. I will check on replay.

Managed to hold off Backo for lap after lap, just about being quick enough when it mattered. Caught up some backmarkers and was worried about the impact they might have.

Pulled out to pass one and "bang" I was fling across the track over the gravel and into the wall. It must have cost me 20 seconds or so.

Returned to track to find the car was handling even worse. Obviously rear aero damage.

In the next couple of laps Backo and Zacari made there way passed and I decided I needed to pit early and change strategy.

I managed to jump Pablo and Backo at the pit stops but Zacari was a mile up the road after pits and his car was much quicker than he had been in the first half of the race.

I had no chance of catching up and was happy to settle for 4th in the circumstances.

Well done SBG on class win.

Well done Freq on the win. Even better for TSJ now. Would have been a great result for the team if Jon had kept going. Not sure what happened to him but obviously something went wrong


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 10:48:12 PM +0000
WHAT A RACE!!!! :jumpjoy:

That annoying Fri...Fro...FreQ took pole in the last minute by 0.7s  :o.

In the first stint he was slowly driving away with a maximum gap of around 4s. And I had Jon behind me for 10 laps or so. They were all making fun of my big a$$. Bloody (get it ;)) red Sharks  :P.
Joss Stone went in a few laps after me, so at the time he was in I had to do a very good lap. Unfortunatly, I had Pribeiro infront of me, also in the Seat. He was 2s a lap slower but it was for position and I just couldn't find a way past.
So when we actually just...and I mean JUST came out infront of that awefull looking red BMW of Joss, I was surprised, as I lost so much in that lap. Now he had to follow two lardy arses :P.
Pribeiro stayed out for a few more laps, and Joss and me were realy struggly to get past or even try to avoid rearending PR. I lost momentum as I had to brake hard so Joss overtook me. Later that went vice versa and we were infront again.
Later PR let us through and the battle continued. And when we lapped him, he blew up in our faces lol. Couldn't see anything anymore and I was worried that it was the same fate for my Seat as well :)
With 2 laps to go FreQ opened attack after attack on me and he overtook me in the next to last corner. But I used the Seat's power on the s/f straight and got alongside before T1.
He did the same attack in the last lap, and 2 laps before the finish he overtook me  :'(.

That was one awesome race we had and I'm glad we weren't on (different) weight  :)

Grats SBG on the GT3 win, and with pain in my heart I have to say the same thing to FreQ. But in his case, I don't mean it ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 10:52:08 PM +0000
Watched Freq do what he did last season when he took the BMW out. He always seems to be further down the grid until last minute and comes up with pole with great times.

That stinker does racepace first and only goes out for qually last few minutes. Cocky guy ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: picnic on January 20, 2008, 10:52:42 PM +0000
Replay and Provisional Results are available (just look above ;))


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Joss on January 20, 2008, 10:54:42 PM +0000
Dead, seriously. Dear god that was good!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 10:57:55 PM +0000


Unofficial Lapchart (http://lapcharts.simracing.org.uk/Lapcharts/LE Silverstone 20-01-2008/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 11:03:01 PM +0000
I was only 2.5 seconds a lap slower than the drivers I normally race, so I definitely should have taken some ballast. What was I thinking not taking ballast, silly me. ::) My race would have been so much better with 40kg extra ballast.  :-*

That was a dull race for me. Viper CCs aren't really any fun to race with unfortunately as if they are roughly the same speed as you, you can't overtake and they can and that's all there is to it. Given that the Z3M is way way off the 911 Cup pace there are none of them to race either. My only hope is a better setup and more Z3M drivers otherwise this could be a long old season.

Why don't you join GT2. I need help from another TS driver as I'm alone now  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Kerr on January 20, 2008, 11:19:41 PM +0000
I was only 2.5 seconds a lap slower than the drivers I normally race, so I definitely should have taken some ballast. What was I thinking not taking ballast, silly me. ::) My race would have been so much better with 40kg extra ballast.  :-*

That was a dull race for me. Viper CCs aren't really any fun to race with unfortunately as if they are roughly the same speed as you, you can't overtake and they can and that's all there is to it. Given that the Z3M is way way off the 911 Cup pace there are none of them to race either. My only hope is a better setup and more Z3M drivers otherwise this could be a long old season.

Why don't you join GT2. I need help from another TS driver as I'm alone now  :P

I noticed that tonight.

Although I like the fact Freq is in the real team now, if Zacari and Jon turn up you guys have no chance


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: ginsters sponsored on January 20, 2008, 11:24:50 PM +0000
Funny that JR clearly had a whale of time minus ballast whilst, I'm guessing, our Paul had a blast with plenty ;D Maybe this volunteering system might work given time?

Real duel with Paul in quali but just couldn't pip him. Congrats to Dan for a great quali lap :). Race start was tricky with GT2 cars passing up through field, I presume they were discoed in quail. But, after things had settled down, the quali positions remained but with a healthy gap to Matt. That left me free to pester Paul as much as I could although I couldn't get right on his tail. Luckily for me, he slipped up just before our pit box and I held a 2 second lead when I left pits. What followed was 10 of the hardest laps I've done here ;D. I was way outta my confort zone pushing like mad to keep the gap to Paul but he was relentless. Terminator style. Daren't look at the clock but when I did it was only 6 mins to go and I knew I had done enough. But thanks for little slip that meant I could relax a little to finish Paul ;)

The win was a bonus as I expected Dan to be way ahead. Clearly changing just tyres, which I did, was quicker than taking on fuel?

Thanks to Paul for taking the ballast and providing us with some quality entertainment. And I guess I learnt that Dan, Matt and I are pretty evenly matched (considering Matt was carrying the extra weight tonight) so I would be all for us using the same ballast and hope that Paul would continue to carry his spuds just for fun :)

I understand what your saying Shark, but us 811 boys were evenly matched and I don't think we should ballast ourselves to be competitive with the Bimmer. Paul would have had to carry at least a 150kg :o Over the course of the season I'm sure the Viper will be at least a match for the 811, seeing Dave/Bob were bang on our pace in S6. I think its shaping up well (if your not in the Z3 ;))


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 20, 2008, 11:34:40 PM +0000
Pictures say more than a 1000 words :)

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Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Zacari on January 20, 2008, 11:55:03 PM +0000
Very happy with 3rd in the Ferrari after a long time out.  I'm not suprised only 1 other chap took the 360 as it's an awkward car, but by the end of the race I was quite at home with it :)

Quali was 6th, took lots of fuel and meds F+R for the race.  Lap 3 got lumped off at very high speed, but other than that the entire race was incident-free.  I managed to throw it off the road with Pablo persuing me around lap 15, but that was me braking too late :-[  Pitted around half-way and made up alot of time in the pits, came out not far behind Jon.  After his stop for grub and Pribero's pit stop I was clear in 3rd which was fine until the end.

Grats to everyone who had fun ;D



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Joss on January 21, 2008, 12:08:09 AM +0000
Calmed down a bit now, man that was the best race I've ever had on GTR2 - better than Donnington S4 ;D

Q2 was my usual Kerr-confusing tactic; practise for 20 mins on my race setup and then make a qually setup with about 6 minutes to go and hope for the best. I couldn't believe the margin myself!   :-X

Once again I cocked up the start thinking I should wait until the line....except the start and finish line are in different places  ::) Way to go me. Hope that didn't cause any problems. I'm a liability on pole, I hope Jeff gets it next time!  :laugh:

The race started out close and I slowly eased away from Jeff and Jon. I think I owe an apology to Picnic when lapping him. I thought you were letting me through buddy....but on viewing the replay I should have stayed behind you through those first fast bends. The Viper's just as fast as the M3 on the straight so without a lift off it's difficult to power past....bugger  :-[ I hope I didn't mess  up your race, but won't mind a mod wrapping my wrists for that one. :(

Jeff then pitted and something happened to Jon - I was concentrating soo hard I still have no idea why you ended up 8 laps down mate!  :laugh: I was planning on staying out til I had 20 litres left, but was losing 1.5 seconds a lap, so came in early and adjusted the fuel manually. I came out alongside Jeff. Not in front, or behind - alongside. How's that for close!  ;D ;D

We then had a fantastic battle to the end of the race, first behind Pribero (great defending mate, neither me or Jeff could pass you!) and then just fighting between ourselves. With about 3 laps to go I really pushed and realised if I went into Abbey slower, I exited faster and got a run into the vital for me sector 3. I managed to get Jeff once into Brooklands but he just powered past on the straight and through Copse, I tried a few places on the last 2 laps, once round the outside of Vale, which failed. I'd never tried Priory but knew I could carry more speed there and tried surprising Jeff on the last lap, but he's too wise for surprises and guarded well. He then missed the apex only slightly and I just snicked alongside......held the inside on Brooklands and cut Jeff off on the exit, exiting Luffield in front to win by 2 tenths.

Cheers for the close racing Jeff, it's always fun dicing with people at the front in races, but races like this and Donnington S4 are what will make me look back on my GTR2 days and smile.

Best Race Ever  :laugh: :angel: ;D :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 21, 2008, 12:28:10 AM +0000
Once again I cocked up the start thinking I should wait until the line....except the start and finish line are in different places  ::) Way to go me. Hope that didn't cause any problems. I'm a liability on pole, I hope Jeff gets it next time!  :laugh:

Deal :P. You were lucky I didn't take advantage of your mistake, as I was allowed to floor it as we crossed the line. But your doubt made me doubt :P, so by the time I realised and called you an idiot ;), it was too late ;D

Jeff then pitted and something happened to Jon - I was concentrating soo hard I still have no idea why you ended up 8 laps down mate! 

I'll let Jon answer this question :P:

Had a good race but I hadn't had eaten enough for tea and cus of the old diabetes had to make a pitstop for food :-[ ;D 13mins later all was well but was 8 laps down. Was a good race till then.

Are you still concentrating "hard". Probably doesn't need more explaining after all that dirty talk on Team Speak :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Joss on January 21, 2008, 12:35:38 AM +0000
Team Shark Hardies / Team Shark Softies
Team Shark Good / Team Shark Evil
Team Shark Oldies / Team Shark Period

Our TS channel is now a disgusting place to be with Jeff, Jon and me on it. It's the porn watching/drug taking/chocolate sprinkle-loving Dutch influence I swear!  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 21, 2008, 12:49:09 AM +0000
Our TS channel is now a disgusting place to be with Jeff, Jon and me on it. It's the porn watching/drug taking/chocolate sprinkle-loving Dutch influence I swear!  :laugh:

Don't come between a Dutchy and his "hagelslag" ;D. Yes...try and pronounce that :P. And if you can, try "Scheveningen"  :lol:. Always cracks me up when you guys try to pronounce a Dutch word/name  :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 21, 2008, 08:42:13 AM +0000
I must say that after making a 90 min race at R2P I was a bit spent. So a heavy RSR here was a bit over the edge, as it felt ... dead.  :(
In the light of this event I feel liberated from obligation of ballast in future events.   

After colliding with a green RSR I had understeer and the car was going even slower. Got fed up and quit. Not a good start of the season.  :(

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: picnic on January 21, 2008, 09:01:37 AM +0000
I think I owe an apology to Picnic when lapping him. I thought you were letting me through buddy....but on viewing the replay I should have stayed behind you through those first fast bends. The Viper's just as fast as the M3 on the straight so without a lift off it's difficult to power past

Absolutely no way should you get done for that. I stayed left to let you passed then as we got close to the corner thought "why haven't you come passed yet". Trouble is this was my first race in the Viper and I hadn't appreciated the speeds were that close  :-\ I would have lifted earlier and a bit harder if I had understood the performance differences. Rack one up to experience ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Paul968 on January 21, 2008, 09:42:36 AM +0000
One of those races where you never get really close to another car but are under pressure the whole time. I was quite pleased with the qual time and relieved to sneak ahead of SBG by a tiny amount. As expected, Dan pulled away after the start and I kept a small gap to SBG. Things stayed this way till late in the stint when I bit off a bit too much curb at the last corner and lost the place. After identical pitstops we came out in 1st and 2nd, and then it was a case of applying pressure and hoping for an opportunity from a lapping car, but it never came. SBG was frustratingly consistent and although I was starting to close in towards the end I was having to push right to the limit. I went over the limit in the end which opened up the gap for the last few laps and that's how it ended.

Congrats to Ian on a very solid drive and to Freq for the last gasp win. As far as the Beemer is concerned, everybody knows it is at a disadvantage, so I don't really understand why it doesn't get less weight (or a power hike). Having said that, Robert wasn't that far off the pace in it, so maybe it doesn't suit your style Simon? (it does need ragging a bit).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: jan duijs on January 21, 2008, 09:55:47 AM +0000
Bad start of the season.Set the car up for wet weather (wing 9 etc.).Rain never came so that was bad luck,then on the pitstop i just cruised past my crew( in practise my box was at the end of the pitlane,now it was in the front),out again and another go next lap,change of tiers and....stop and go  :-[ .Pitlimiter on all the way how can that be??
All hope gone for a nice fight with the midfield boys.Must practise these darn pitstops  ;)


Jan


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 21, 2008, 10:01:27 AM +0000
Nobody took the Vertigo, so we don't know if the torque thingy works.  :(  Might this be a better way to speed up slower cars than have more weight on faster? That RSR felt really blah, blah after R2P race. Or did we discuss this before? I don't remember, really.  :-[

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Kerr on January 21, 2008, 10:08:57 AM +0000
Bad start of the season.Set the car up for wet weather (wing 9 etc.).Rain never came so that was bad luck,then on the pitstop i just cruised past my crew( in practise my box was at the end of the pitlane,now it was in the front),out again and another go next lap,change of tiers and....stop and go  :-[ .Pitlimiter on all the way how can that be??
All hope gone for a nice fight with the midfield boys.Must practise these darn pitstops  ;)


Jan

The forecast I saw was for a chance of rain, but hey, you take your chances at times.

I was not far away from Silverstone all weekend and drove back home on the Sunday. It was rather dull and cold and the rain had been threatening with minor downpours.

I was surprised to find the game weather file started the race in the nice sun and 25 degree heat.

I had been struggling to keep my rear left tyre temperature down and the heat only added to this.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 21, 2008, 10:26:57 AM +0000
I understand what your saying Shark, but us 811 boys were evenly matched and I don't think we should ballast ourselves to be competitive with the Bimmer. Paul would have had to carry at least a 150kg :o Over the course of the season I'm sure the Viper will be at least a match for the 811, seeing Dave/Bob were bang on our pace in S6. I think its shaping up well (if your not in the Z3 ;))

I never said you should SBG. I was hoping for more Z3Ms and for me to be better in it than I was.

I certainly don't expect the faster drivers to put on ballast so that slower drivers can catch up. Faster drivers and cars deserve to be there 100%. The only reason to add ballast is to make your race more fun so unless you didn't have fun don't change your ballast.

The race started out close and I slowly eased away from Jeff and Jon. I think I owe an apology to Picnic when lapping him. I thought you were letting me through buddy....but on viewing the replay I should have stayed behind you through those first fast bends. The Viper's just as fast as the M3 on the straight so without a lift off it's difficult to power past....bugger  :-[ I hope I didn't mess  up your race, but won't mind a mod wrapping my wrists for that one. :(

Cheating Junior members.  ;) First race and he's already into the ways of the dark side.  :o The boy learns fast! :whistling:

Why don't you join GT2. I need help from another TS driver as I'm alone now  :P

I must admit, something has gone wrong with the team division. :-\
I was not expecting all the Junior drivers to be driving GT2 this season so it was a surprise to see 4 fast Junior drivers all in that class. Perhaps one or 2 of them could drop down to GT3 to add to the team competition there?

As far as the Beemer is concerned, everybody knows it is at a disadvantage, so I don't really understand why it doesn't get less weight (or a power hike). Having said that, Robert wasn't that far off the pace in it, so maybe it doesn't suit your style Simon? (it does need ragging a bit).

Rob was still off the pace by 1.7 seconds in qualifying, although impressive in the race and my hat goes off to him. Yes it could probably do with some more car ballast off, but as I said I knew it wasn't competitive before I started. It would be nice to see it balanced a bit more in the mid-season refresh, but I'd like to see how it does against the other cars at slower tracks first too.

I did end up throwing it about, but in the end I found smoothness made my laps better as usual and throwing it around just caused the tyres to shred. I also never know what wing to run at Silverstone. I ended up with 2 and 7 which I'm sure was too much.

It's fine. I knew it was way off the pace before I chose so I'm not complaining it was slower than the 911 as I knew it would be hence (hence MY choice to not take ballast).

I'm looking for the challenge to see what I can do with it. I need 2 or 3 races to nail the setup as I really didn't have it sorted under braking especially which was really compromising my ability to race it. I think in retrospect I should have practiced first to get a setup sorted, but hoped with it being the first race I could get away with no practice and no setup.

Unfortunately last night the track contributed to the Z3M being very uncompetitive for me, so I hope it will be better at slower circuits as Silverstone is a power circuit and I was unprepared.

I was surprised by how much tyre wear the Z3M used actually. It was pretty good on fuel (I didn't need to add any fuel when I changed my tyres), but I did need 2 sets of mediums to get to the end.

Nobody took the Vertigo, so we don't know if the torque thingy works.  :(  Might this be a better way to speed up slower cars than have more weight on faster? That RSR felt really blah, blah after R2P race. Or did we discuss this before? I don't remember, really.  :-[

Vertigo is GTC not GT2.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Stewprovo on January 21, 2008, 10:28:05 AM +0000
Did anyone else have any problems with disco's/lockups last night, as it seemed that as soon as the server filled up, it became a bit un-stable. Or, was it just my pc being a *&%@  :censored:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: picnic on January 21, 2008, 11:06:44 AM +0000
Did anyone else have any problems with disco's/lockups last night, as it seemed that as soon as the server filled up, it became a bit un-stable. Or, was it just my pc being a *&%@  :censored:

There were issues last night, especially during P1 and Q2. Trouble is this is a 3rd party track and we're also running the 32 slot server tweak in GTR2Manager. Sadly we never got enough people on the server to test the 32 slot bit out when we asked for support to test it in a recent fun race :( I suspect we won't learn much until we race a standard track and get 28+ drivers on the server.

I did run a ping to the server last night due to the issues and got 100% response so I don't think there were network issues.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jeffrey on January 21, 2008, 11:11:35 AM +0000
So a heavy RSR here was a bit over the edge, as it felt ... dead.  :(

Must...resist...saying....I told you so ;).

That's how all my cars felt last season and that was with even more weight. So I was happy that no weight for this race turned out extremely well. Back with the boys :P
And as Brno is the next track, which I hate and expect the Seat to be useless at, no weight there for me as well.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Adam Parle on January 21, 2008, 11:15:18 AM +0000
Hasn't the RSR had ballast added to it anyway?  At R2P they've not messed around with the cars at all.  For that reason alone after a 90 min race there it's going to feel heavy.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 21, 2008, 11:46:57 AM +0000
So a heavy RSR here was a bit over the edge, as it felt ... dead.  :(

Must...resist...saying....I told you so ;).

That's how all my cars felt last season and that was with even more weight. So I was happy that no weight for this race turned out extremely well. Back with the boys :P
And as Brno is the next track, which I hate and expect the Seat to be useless at, no weight there for me as well.

RSR is heavy burdened allready, as Adam said. A direct added weight of 40kg from R2P to UKGTR race made it feel heavy 'cause of a short time between the races.  :)
But of course you're right, why burden myself with the "not obligatory problems".  ;)  Only - what excuse will I have, then?  :P

TT 

Edit: Because of this I asked if the way to go would be increasing torque rather than adding weight. Seems a more elegant solution to me. But I guess it's not that simple.  :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Andy Eves on January 21, 2008, 11:54:15 AM +0000
I was happy with my qauli pace, nearly matched my pb but no way I could catch the cars infront. Well done, very fast times.

Race started and something was very wrong with my race set up, it was so slow. I had no speed so PRibeiro was all over me, I held him off through copse and maggots but he shot past down the inside on hanger straight.

Then I had Jimmy on my tail, he past me only to run wide at Stowe then rejoin along side me into abbey and out brake himself running onto the grass, I went to the left to get past and Mark McClean drove past us both on the inside. I think Jimmy let me back by and I set after Mark and PRibeiro.

A 5 car train soon developed behind PRibeiro's Seat, at Abbey there was some misstake made ahead of me and I lifted off mid corner going very sideways and took a hit from Truetom sending me spinning. I rejioned in 13th place behind Jan. Repast Truetom when he ran wide probally due to the damage.

Something went wrong for Jan at Copse and I got alongside, with Truetom alongside me too, they both ran wide at Abbey and I set after Jimmy who spun a few laps later at Abbey.

I could see PRiberio and thought I could pass him at his stop, I stopped and it all went well. Came back out and my out lap was slowed by the fighting Vipers, I had so little speed I couldnt get past.

Then a few laps later a bmw rejoined the middle of the track at Becketts, then did a great job of blocking me so loads more time lost.

PRibeio pitted and I knew it would be close and it was but there was no way past so he pulled away on the fresh tyres, with out the lost time I may have held him off and saved his engine. :)

Any way, very well done to the winners  ;D and I was happy to get my 8th place back and a few points.

Thanks all...


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 21, 2008, 12:18:03 PM +0000
A 5 car train soon developed behind PRibeiro's Seat, at Abbey there was some misstake made ahead of me and I lifted off mid corner going very sideways and took a hit from Truetom sending me spinning. I rejioned in 13th place behind Jan. Repast Truetom when he ran wide probally due to the damage.

Ah, so it was you, Andy. Wasn't sure. Sorry I hit you, I couldn't do anything, you were sideways in front of me. The hit was quite hard, I must say. In real race I don't think you could drive on, while my damage seems to be close to which the realy one would be. I had understeer and it influenced the driving and car and tyres. Started losing places and time.  :(  And motivation.  ;)   I'm glad you could go on, you seemed to be doing ok.  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 21, 2008, 01:22:06 PM +0000
Then a few laps later a bmw rejoined the middle of the track at Becketts, then did a great job of blocking me so loads more time lost.

If you have an incident to report, report it!

Don't spout cobblers on an incident in public where you probably haven't even looked at the replay or tried to view it from the "other car". Talking about specific incidents regarding specific people in an accusing fashion is strictly prohibited for very good reason. If you think not naming the driver is the same as not discussing it in public then you must be an idiot.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Andy Eves on January 21, 2008, 01:36:07 PM +0000
No worrys Truetom, yes I was sideways and in your way, real good close racing, thanks.

Sorry Simon, yes I have seen replay. I was trying to report my race and its events not accuse you. Please dont start calling me an idiot, and no I dont want to fight. I had to go to a job so I havnt had time to report it.

Sorry for any trouble caused, none was ment.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 21, 2008, 01:39:41 PM +0000
Apology accepted.

Please accept my apology for calling you an idiot. I was being hot-headed after reading your post and it was very rude of me.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Andy Eves on January 21, 2008, 01:57:14 PM +0000
Of course, thank you lets shake hands.  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Truetom on January 21, 2008, 01:57:57 PM +0000
Happens to me sometimes. I try to delete the post before somebody reads it.  :D
Or quotes it.  ;)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Simon Gymer on January 21, 2008, 03:13:25 PM +0000
Of course, thank you lets shake hands.  ;D

How about a hug? :)
(http://www.simongymer.teamshark.org.uk/images/SharkHug.jpg)

Ooops, maybe not. ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on January 21, 2008, 03:53:42 PM +0000
Use of the word "blocking" - probably unwise when it has a specific meaning in racing. I'm sure he meant "defending".

ps. Told you so.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Roadrunner on January 21, 2008, 06:06:15 PM +0000
According to the unofficial lap chart i started behind will, when i was infront...as for going past Ade...i dont really know how i managed that...unless i managed to get stuck on the idea Hol was the one in front of me, only noticed Ade behind me on hanger strait, an spent the rest of the lap tryin to work out where he`d come from...so i`ll take what ever penalty comes my way from that  ??? :-[


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Ade on January 22, 2008, 12:29:53 AM +0000
Road runner don't panic ??? I'm still running with ' L'  plates on at the back of the field, If i remember you and Will where in gt2 so I gave you room  to get by, then I was totally supprised  to catch you up as soon as i did???..... Also its nice to see all you boys  playing out together after the hand bags flying over the " ballast"  queries? .. Well done the winners......see you next time.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: stnasky on January 22, 2008, 12:46:12 AM +0000
A 5 car train soon developed behind PRibeiro's Seat, at Abbey there was some misstake made ahead of me and I lifted off mid corner going very sideways and took a hit from Truetom sending me spinning. I rejioned in 13th place behind Jan. Repast Truetom when he ran wide probally due to the damage.


Sorry about that lads i think i overshot that corner on the brakes and ran wide which would of caused you all to bunch up  :angel:  Yes PRs seat was hard to pass.  It took half the race for PR to make a slight mistake for me to slip by because on the long straights the seat left me for dust.   

Had a howler of a pitstop, took the wrong turn for the pits,  could not remember which button my ignition was so i flapped at all the buttons and eventually found it. 

But anyway, it was a good race and looking forward to the next enduro :)!!

   


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance - Silverstone (GP) - Jan 20
Post by: Jimmie on January 22, 2008, 02:28:08 PM +0000
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Then I had Jimmy on my tail, he past me only to run wide at Stowe then rejoin along side me into abbey and out brake himself running onto the grass, I went to the left to get past and Mark McClean drove past us both on the inside. I think Jimmy let me back by and I set after Mark and PRibeiro.

[cut]

Yeah I felt the notch was a bit of my fault, so I gave the spot back to you again and then the whole fun of chasing again ;D