SimRacing.org.uk

Practice 1:	20:00	(25 mins)
Qual 2:	20:25	(30 mins)
Race:	20:55	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Silverstone ('Northampton') GP (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_silverstone))
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Upper Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Championship standings can be found on the series page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=67;theme=3).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.

Same as Lower Endurance - 'show of hands' class poll.

I intend GTC. Hope theres room!

GT1 for me, no idea what car yet.

GTC for me too - I'll be in the newly painted Legends RS.

I still have that hardly ever used MC12, preowned by a granny :wheelchair: (who has been getting quite bald and her mustache has extended to under her chin  ::))

GT1 and the MC12 for me. At the mo I'm not sure whether the new MC12 is too fast or absolute cack  ;D Prolly a bit of both in my hands.

Am I the only one who has a rather big picture of SBG's avatar? He leaves about a gazillion blank lines ;)

I didn't want to be the first to say, but yes it's huuuuuuuuugge and it would be nice if it was smaller wouldn't it Jeff? ;)

Mmm I feel somehow less important now ;). Still, size isn't everything.

It's less disturbing too in the smaller size   :D

i've voted GTC but was very tempted to go GT1 in the Maserati once again...until i saw everyone else seems to be taking it  ::)..ya bunch of freeloaders, little bit of torque and now you all want one  :laugh:

Im expecting my house move to scupper my season 7 so may take whatever suits my fancy on nights i can make it to the races.

Note to self: SBG susceptible to simple mind tricks, potential easy recruit for Team Shark Junior (The dark side of the team). ;)

What and prise you out of a 911! :o :o :-*
(I think hell is more likely to freeze over ;))

I knew it! Team Shark = Scientology. That makes you L. Ron Shark ;D

Oiy!  ;D...i took the maserati for a full season about 2 seasons ago, when it was dog-slow. :angel:
I actually enjoy driving it and think its about the sexiest looking GT1 car there is....especially in our tasty Legends colours  8)
Not tried it yet with its tiny torque increase...any difference noted?

If i could have made both enduro leagues as before, i would have gone GT2/C in one and GT1 in the other  :( that way i got my 911 kicks and a good thrash in a Massa.

...and TS has a darker side?..wow, who would have thought that?  :whistling:  The Dark side of the dark side  :laugh:

Would I regret asking who that mysterious person is in Ginster's avatar?

All signs point to 'yes' :)

It's Alec Guinness, you cultural Philistine! I will admit I had to Google to identify the film it's from...

Haha, the dark side of the dark side = the lovely light side! It's why they moved me to TSJ - I'm just too nice ;D

GTC and the Morgan for me please. :)

Wasn't that film on about a week ago? I knew who it was straight away, since I'm a fan of the original Star Wars films. I find it hard to believe that Team Shark Jr forces it's drivers to wear cloaks though...

Jeesus he looks rough there! I'd recognise him if he didn't have more bags than Tesco under his eyes  ;)

lol - I've now got a picture of Shark trying to get by someone .... "The force is strong with this one" as he's attempting to line someone up for a pass.  Simon, as we all know, you're only a master of evil (well - you started Team Shark so that's kind of a given!).

The blue Team Shark is the good side! :) For many years we have brought order to the force. We know when there's been an accident somewhere on the circuit cause we can feel disturbances in the force. Usually it's the Storm Troopers of the league (Legends Racing) and despite our best efforts at telling them to move along and that these aren't the sand traps they were looking for, I'm afraid sometimes they're just too hopeless to be helped by even such great Jedi Knights as ourselves. ;)

It's a shame about Team Shark Junior being on the dark side, as we can feel the good in them. However I fear it's too late and they'll never turn back now. ::)

What does that make us then? Ewoks? ;)

Wookies! ;D

If we're soo evil, how comes our cars are red, instead of black?  8) 8)

Or eeeevil green! ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) Omg, black and my avatar green! Now that's evil and stylish!  :laugh:

I suppose since the Sith use red lightsabres, and the Jedi use Blue and Green, technically you would be the bad guys. ;D

I always seem to find this track really hard work, I don't seem to be able to get into a rhythm like I can at some of the other tracks.

I just squeezed a PB in practice yesterday; 1:50.5 in the Vertigo.

I intended to switch to the GT3-RS this season but practice didn't exactly go to plan! :D Maybe later in the season... maybe...

I switched class from GT1 to GTC (sorry Joss ;)). Really enjoy the Vertigo so I'm gonna take that :). I've driven all the GT1's (except MC12), so it's good to be among them, but in something different :P.

Still not sure what to take this season. I did a bit practice today and still not convinced. The mc12 was the fastest car around here and I could get into the 1.41s race set up. I worry that if I do go mc12 it will be too much of a dog to drive elsewhere.       Need to decide soon and concentrate on my choice of car.

Hmm... contemplates a switch back to GT1...

I think we'll have to seriously consider switching the server back to the standard 28 slots for this as it's our last chance to isolate that as a factor in the disco's we've seen in the first two events of Season 7. ???

What was the highest numer of connected drivers? I had absolutly no problems with either connection nor fps.  :) 

TT

I've had no connection problems but then I'm usually one of the first in. Slightly low FPS last night but still eminently drivable.

It seems that once the server hits about 25 we start to see more disco's than normal. It doesn't seem so bad in the race itself which suggests that people leaving/joining trigger them (I had a short lag last night when Fred Flinstone quit the race, and I think we all had a momentary one a little later on), but it doesn't seem as stable as normal. There may be some effect from the track too although we've used Silverstone before in a Super Endurance and I don't recall there being any major issues.

no probs whatever for me last night....FPS steady around 45ish all sessions. Medium spec machine etc.

No problems for me either last night, and I was a reserve so there were already around 27 on the server.

We got up to 30 drivers I think. I actually think it's the track that's doing it. I have a very stable GTR2 setup and at this track the game has crashed on me 3 times in practice sessions. Funnily though no crashes in the race and even for everyone else the race seems more stable. Track? 32 slots? Who knows, only some major testing and help from our members can find out.

I think I'm going to go back to the Lambo as I haven't race it for a whole season since GTR1 and none of the other cars are really lighting my fire. Gonna be hurting at Silverstone I know because when we've done it before the Lambo gets killed down the straights.

I may go back to the 550 seen as it's back to being unpopular, and I used to quite like it.  It'll be interesting to see if the torque adjustment has much of an effect.  I'll see how things stand after a little practice.

Last season I had only 1 disco overall, so far this I've had 5, all at Silverstone, so maybe that is it?

Probably won't make Sunday, But will be in MC12 if I do.(I'm no faster in it, but it looks really cool)

Eyyyy ;D

The Lambo's very fast round here as the corners are high speed instead of nasty low speed ones where it's ace cornering can't regain what it loses elsewhere.......very difficult to pass in the Lambo here though. The straights do make it tough to get close into the big braking areas.

I think my disco last night in quali was at my end. My frame rates where lower than normal, around lap 20 the fps went real low (below 20 I would think) and I could hear the sound of bouncing traffic cones? Only lasted 10 seconds then back to normal.

I remember racing in the Lambo at Silverstone before and yes it's ok for hotlapping but come the race it has the "Vertigo" problem of inability to defend and inability to overtake. Still, if it's more fun to drive in the bits where you're not battling then that's half the enjoyment anyway so roll on the raging bull.

Can't say I've noticed the Lambo being that slow in a straight line, Joss seemed perfectly able to keep up with the 550 at Monza in U6US ??? and I've raced it a bit and found it very enjoyable.  Is it really that bad on the straights?

Yup, even the CR5 can out-do it on the straights. If you compromise the wing settings then you can make up some straight line speed, but then obviously you compromise the cornerning. Anyone can drive in a straight line fast, it's the corners where the real drivers are found anyway so my conscience will be clean. ;) :laugh:

It's pretty crap on top speed Carl, at Monza in qualifying I was hitting 181mph and about 179 in the race just before T1. The Lambo's just soo awesome on the brakes and in the corners that you can make up most of that again ;D
It's important to qualify well with it though, as it can be difficult to pass with.

I was miles off Jeff and CJ's race pace (S4), but had an awesome battle with Baracus, S6 was all screwed up because I didn;t get in in time so started from the back. The sprint wasn't bad but you were faster  :angel:

I don't know if this is a common problem or not, but last night I kept being told there was someone lapping me when there wasn't (honest!), even on the first lap! It wasn't a problem being a sprint race, but if it was endurance then I might not have realised when I actually was being lapped.

The lambo does struggle here on the main straight. I was practicing the other day and noticed that there is the same speed difference between the bmw m3 and the lambo as there is between a lambo and a 550 at the end of the straight.      The lambo is about 6-7mph slower and that is a lot. Get  in the slipstream and they are eaten alive on the straight.         The mc12 is a joy to drive here, really! It really likes the fast bends and has better top end speed than the lambo too. As I said before if I go mc12 i can see me regretting it later in the season. Probably from the next race on!

Yeah, I got the blue flag warning twice in the opening couple of laps.

The spurious blue flags have been a feature of GTR2 since day 1, you need to be tail end charlie like me as I get it most races. I was a little concerned last night when I thought my pitcrew told me it was my last warning, but I think I just misheard first  ::)

I don't think I've ever heard anyone get a stop/go for ignoring a blue flag. I'm not sure, but I don't think that's a part of the game.

For all Vertigo drivers...go for wing 1-1. No really  :yes:

Yeah we all get the blue flag warnings, especially during the first segment of the race, you just have to try and ignore them.

listen to uncle ruskus :-*.....1:51:3   wing 1 / 1

Hehe. Unkie Ruskus ;) :-*

 :wheelchair:

I wouldn't have even considered using 1/1 wing in the Vertigo but I'll give it a crack before Sunday. I guess you pray for a dry race if you go with that set-up!

Care to share how quick you are round here in the Vertigo Jeff? I just love being depressed ;)

My best Vertigo time was a 1:48.4  with a top speed of 153mph. Seat was reaching 161mph, so that's not too bad.

I think even in the wet 1-1 wing can do. I tried 2-1 wing, but that makes it very unstable, so I sacrificed some more handling for topspeed.

Thanks Jeff. I'm only 2s off your time then! :P

I'm aiming for a sub 1:50 before the race.

48's....sub 1:50's.?....and I thought my 1 second improvement into the mid 1:51's was ok. maybe get into a few battles etc. :(...Ah well. tumbleweed

so what times are the other...(non alien piloted) GTC cars doing round here anyone?

Did a 1:50.7  :o in qually spec in the RS, so only 3 secs to find :laugh:

Looking at the last GTC enabled race (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3004#event352) at Silverstone GP sub-1:50s were pretty unusual for GTC. I know ballasts have changed since then, not sure which way (I thought more ballast nowadays than then).

I think the standard of driving has increased since i've joined. Everybody seems to be getting faster all the time. I'm finding that at most tracks I'm quicker than I was a season or two ago. Seems to the the case for most drivers. 

i've done 1:50's so far in the RS but not had a lot of time for practise.Would hope to creep into 1:49 but not sure until race night
wouldnt want to try a 1 wing in the porker ! :o

Wing 1?! What is this, a sim or an arcade?  :P

TT

Does make you question the physics modelling once more doesnt it?  ::)
There is no way on earth you should be able to get that car around that quick on the gp layout with a 1 wing. Surely going through Becketts almost flat should be enough to go spinning off into the scenery with no downforce  :-\

There is also something called mechanical grip. Not all grip is created with downforce.

about the last race cars to rely on solely mechanical grip were running in the 50's and 60's werent they?

Im sure you can drive any car around silverstone without downforce aids but you wouldnt be setting record/fast laptimes

Splitter 1 and wing 1 is not no downforce, it's just less downforce. Try knocking the wing off and getting around, that's no downforce and impossible. The reason why splitter is on 1 is for the balance, running that on 2 makes the car very unstable.

I'm guessing you don't run 2-10 wing at Monza?

The Vertigo has so much grip and low top speed that using very low wing gains you more in the straights than it loses in the corners in this case.  Also 1 wing doesn't mean no downforce, it just means the minimum set for that car, (ie what JR posted as I was thinking :-[ :P)

have you stood at becketts and watched cars go through there?
i dont think Monza has any seriously cambered fast switchback corners like silverstone has.
Im not a race engineer and dont know much about the vertigo, still seems amazing that it could do a lap that quick at this track with such low downforce. :-\
Tho the Vert is very go-kartish.

I've raced at silverstone on my ZX-10R :scooter:, and it is a pretty grippy surface, I think mainly because of all the car racing there, the track is well rubbered in, but I don't know if that would be figured into game. ???

Does it really matter?

It is a game (sorrying simulation ::)) so you're always going to be able to go faster than real life because you can take risks that real world racers wouldn't even if the simulated laws of physics were exactly like the real world's law of physics.

Don't forget why aliens are called alien. It's because in the "old" days of games like GPL aliens would drive in an "alien" manner because the game allowed it and that alien manner was faster than driving "normally". Even though in the real world you couldn't drive like that because the laws of physics would not allow it. I think you can drive in a less alien way in GTR 2 to GPL, but none-the-less you can still defy the laws of real world physics because they are not real world physics they are simulated.

blimey, did you have aliens back in GPL days too? thought they discovered our planet, called earth, many years later  ;D

how many drivers on here have been racing since those glory days then? I missed the whole GPL phase whilst out getting spangled in bars and clubs  :)

And personally, i race GTR because its supposed to be a simulation of the real world motor racing that i cant afford to do. If i wanted arcade racing i'd buy a console. Interesting that some of the real world drivers prefer RFactor as its more realistic (to them) but i still way prefer the feel of GTR2.

In real world the car's shape generates base downforce that is increased by the use of wings. A wing range of 1-10 could represent angles of 10-40 degress or 10-70 degrees.  As JR said, knock the rear wing off, or lose the front splitter, to see the effect the basic aero shape provides.

I did some running with various wings last season and found that over a lap the settings in the Morgan often made little difference. However corner speeds/top speeds were traded.

anyone measured what mph/time difference the various wing settings create? ie is their a 10mph gap between say a 5 and a 8 wing? whats the net gain in time down a long (say, hanger straight)?

As picnic says, its a trade-off between time gained on the straights to time lost in the curves. Just wondering is all, as never get the time to carry out tests like that.

I agree with Mark that a game which seems unrealistic is less satisfying - it is exactly why I think GTR2 is so good. In the case of the Vertigo I think it is not necessarily wrong as Silverstone has a lot of slow speed corners after the first section - the vale, abbey, priory and the luffields, and these will not be affected so much by downforce. The long straights in the first half will cancel out the advantage gained by high wings, especially considering the Vertigo can carry a lot of speed due to its low weight.


I started racing online with UKGPL, ending up 5th in the first season. Many of the top guys in GTR started off in GPL, which was attractive to a large extent because it was so difficult and felt 'real' compared to other racing sims. Things have moved on now, but GPL is still very impressive for a game that is in it's 10th year!


I know what you mean about the top drivers exploiting the physics holes in GPL Simon, but I don't think that was the reason to call them Aliens. The term got used from very early on to indicate someone who was clearly not mortal because no human could possibly do such fast laptimes in a BRM!

:notworthy:

The Bike I would have. Kawasaki ZX-10R Ninja. What colour have you got?

I'll have to admit defeat on the 1/1 wing settings in the Verty, I just can't keep the speed through the corners like I can with a higher wing so I'm half a sec. slower no matter how much I try :-[

It's surprisingly drivable though with such a low wing

I guess it's impossible to perfectly model real-life physics but it is, after all, only a game eh? ;)

Who do I trust more, a real life Porsche RSR driver who says it feels very accurate except cold tyres give too much grip, or people behind their PC who have never driven such racecars? ::) ;D

Would love to take part in this race, hope there is gonna be room!!

Why is the practice server showing 25deg C, now? Shouldn't it be closer to the real 10degC.

The actual race was 25 degrees last weekend when it was about 10 in real life

Don't think GTR2manager is on yet.

If you're looking for an extra few tenths, try manual clutch...really try it.
After the R2P 130min I left autoclutch on and when I practiced in the Vertigo I just couldn't get a rythm in it, switched to manual clutch and immediatly improved my times. It's really worth investing a bit of time in it, it's still the fastest way :).

 ;)

Seriously, I tried the 1-1 wing thing and it's impossible. Jeff you're officialy wierd. I don't like low downforce setups anyway (one of the reasons I don't like driving at Monza). Back to 2-8 for me as I can actually keep it on track with that. :)

I tried 1-1 and it was about as quick (maybe a touch quicker) as 2-7 for me but massively more on edge. Might be worth a punt in qual but I don't think it would be good to race with. It does make the Vertigo a lot more interesting to drive though   :laugh:

Lol  :clown: . My 1-1 wing experiments with GT1 cars goes very well too, so I think it just fits me :D. Somehow I can feel the car better with low downforce settings and more mechanical grip. Go karts don't have downforce too after all  :P ;D

The biggest flaw of the Vertigo is it's topspeed, whereas the handling is it's biggest plus. So in order to balance those out I sacrifised handling for topspeed. I hope to prevent every other GTC from flying past on the straight. So I think (just guessing for now :P) that it will quite well in race because of the added speed, because it's very hard to overtake somebody in the corners if you lose so much on every straight and the gap is big every time.
But ofcourse it's personal preference and everyone should just pick what they feel is best/most comfortable. :)

How consistent are you though with 1-1 settings?

I've been praccy with 1-2 wing...and find it pretty stable. it does make you concentrate harder too which is a good thing for me anyway :). My laps have been pretty consistent too with that setup...rarely more than 0.5 tween them.

Normal consistency, because 1-1 is more stable for me than most of my setups, so to say the least, I find it easier to drive  :lol: .

But I might come back at that after tonight lol ;D

I have been messing around with the wing on the TVR and I have strangley set my fastest time with 2-5 wing. not sure how low wing affects handling on a twisty track with worn tyres though. Might have to take it up a couple of notches for the race.

What a waste of time after my first time at practicing for an event for a while. Had to brake really hard to avoid Brian causing me to spin under locked wheels then I waited for a gap in the cars and so I start to move, only then more cars suddenly appear out of nowhere and surprise surprise they have no where to go but hit me. Very sorry to whoever hit me but really there was no one there when I started to move. I did actually wait for a gap.

Really tempted to give up racing for a while as I'm just getting annoyed and frustrated with it and I seem to be causing more accidents than I used to so I'm probably better off just staying out your ways.

Buzzcocks.

Think that sums it up for me.


Bloody discoed .... not a happy bunny.  Me, Pops and MJ were in a proper race from the word go, very similar pace, and with Pops in the Vertigo it was a good mix ... shame I discoed as I was looking forward to the rest of the race.

Gutted.  Fantastic to be racing 2 fellow Legends.  Hope you guys have a better end to the race than me.

It did seem a little laggy a times.  Pops got stationary on the pace lap - scared the crepe out of me.

Well, that was crap, I made a last minute tyre choice to go on hards and I couldn't get the temp up at all. I was about 3 seconds a lap down on my practise times and then started spinning off, thought I'd better just leave before I caused an accident!

Was in the server until the end of practice and i decided i would leave to lower a few settings, big mistake ???  Game was full so i waited for 15 mins incase some unlucky sole dropped out or disco'd, but no joy :'(

Cyas for the next.

I managed to collect your frozen car Adam ;D and then saw a couple of guys spinning trying to avoid me :-[
Then it all ended up with my pc freezing a couple of laps later. (I had to hit the off button, so hope no one got caught up in that as well)
I got the blue flag warning from the warm up lap till my game crashed, that was really starting to become annoying and don't really like some of these add on tracks because of those issues.

The positive was I was having a few battles at the back with Psuedo, Spanner and the Prof, till it all went horrible wrong.

DOH!

Seems to be a bit of a problem track .... or could it be the increased numbers?

Could be me - showing a constant connection on the router but have been booted out of MSN Messenger twice in the last 15 mins....

NUts... that should have been a brilliant result  :(

I was amazed/chuffed to qualify 4th with the 3 aliens ahead of me and Adam & Mark just behind.

That was great racing with the 3 of close, I made a stupid mistake to let MJ through and tailed him, about 1s behind all the way to my pit-stop when I got a flipping stop&go penalty  :'(

I'm not sure how it happened, I'm pretty sure I was well on the limiter in time  :-\ (I guess not...)

Anyway, I did my penalty, came out in the middle of Jan & Darren when I had an incident with a lapping GT1, I think it might have been my fault but Darren had a ring-side view. Apologies to whoever I had contact with, I hope you were able to continue. I ended up on my roof  :D

well that was........(lost for words)

Never got a clean lap the whole race...well below praccy times and even though I hadn't altered anything the car was feeling totally different....snap oversteer into the slow left regularly....never once had it during praccy?

I gave up in the end...concentration low....frustration high.

Kind of frustration race  :o
Downside of race: i must get use to apply throtle and brakes on GT cars
and try to find a balance setup for the fast left-right transition.
I had plenty of grip but only on first 5-6 laps  ::)
Upside of race: i overtooke Jeff 2 times  ;D  :P  :w00t: .....what???????
he was in the GTC class?.....bah.....doesnt matter, it was a fine sensation  :whistling:
Even so, he gave me a hard time to let him behind  :sweatdrop: :shifty:
hehe

Cheers

Very sorry for that FreQ  :-[ well done with the win.  ;D

That was hard work, spun at the start, worked my way back only to make a bigger misstake.

Great fun Jan, I was catching you near the end. :)

Cracking race 8) Had a long battle with Paul. Paul was alot quicker at the start of the race and overtook me and stayed about 5 secs in front then as the 1st stint was coming to an end his tyres started to wear and I could close up a bit. He made a great save at the end of the hanger straight putting his rears on the grass half spinning around going into the corner and then just seemed to correct the car and lose no time at all. I was well impressed :o at the end of the 2nd stint it much the same. The only reason I could get by in the end was cus his tyres were finished and that extra 40Kg didn't help. Great effort mate a great drive.
Grats to FreQ and Unkie JR ;)

I ran into what I think was a ghost car on the formation lap ??? Could have been very messy but well done to everyone to get the race started ok. Nice job all

You had a flyer of a start, made up 2 positions with some excellent driving in the first lap! was cool to watch from behind you  ;)

About halfway through qually I noticed I was racing with the wrong setup, so loaded the right one and just got into the 48's.

Just before the racestart a car froze and there was chaos at the start. Jon and Paul were in a fight which gave me some gap before the stop.
Won around 10s in the stop and had a 20s gap after the stops. After that I had to keep an eye on the enginehealth and drive it home.

Vertigo felt very good allrace long  and med/softs.

Grats Joss

That's the first....

That's the first....

That's the first....

Boring Boring Boring Race  >:(

Slow car, slow driver. No fun.

Sorry mate, I never even realised that happened. I came out the first bend with too much speed and rode the kerb and the car got thrown across the track and was trying to control the car. I did look back after the moment and thought you were there for a bit.

Qualification was tough. I could not get a clean lap in anywhere. Lap after lap was ruined catching GTC cars right left and centre. Often I was well up on my best lap and was looking to be challenging for pole.

I gave up and was happily settling for 2nd when SBG came up with a lap that I did not even notice until the server went to race.

The first few laps were hectic. Had a moment when me and SBG were side by side and both wanting the same bit of tarmac. I found myself on the grass.

Then had a big moment out of first bend and thought I was going straight over into the barrier. Managed to catch it just but lost a place to Paul.

A lap of two later same scenario as with SBG, but this time Paul Richards was the other driver. I came off better this time.

Managed to get past Zacari after he spun and also made a move on SBG after a few moments of side by side racing.

Zacari was soon back on my heels and I managed to fend him off until the pit stops. Again I was the loser in the pits as Paul Richards pulled back time and Zacari put himself a few seconds up the road.

Chased down Zacari and came close at times. Thought I would get him then he managed to buy a little space time and time again. I just could not get him!

It was a great race and some real good moments during it.

The backmarkers were great. It was really scary at times the speed difference between the cars. Although I had no contact with backmarkers I had too many frights.

Well done Freq on another great drive and same to Jeff in the GTC class.

Another strong race for TSJ 1-2-3

Rus, now silverstone is out of the way, you couldnt post that vertigo set-up for me to have a play with?
 

Ok race on a nice track,that doesnot suit me.Sorry for the double downshift which made you  spin Andy. :-\
Jeff lapped me in the end,hated that ;D

Jan

Thx for feigning surprise at my pole time chaps ;). Honestly, done faster off line but chuffed nonetheless.

That was all well and good, but I knew my race setup really stank. Didn't help that I was still shaking from quali for first few laps :) and Freq passed easily and pulled away. Had great fun holding up Zacari, who was very patient, and eventually Brian. Then gutted when they both jumped me as I struggled past a GTC. My fault, in truth the MC12 was so twitchy that I shat myself when I lapped anyone. Sorry for touch Darren but someone left and the server skipped a beat :'(. Hope you didn't lose out cause of it.

Could have only hoped to catch Paul in front of me but low fuel meant I couldn't push and have some fun. Maybe next time :) Congrats to Freq and JR, and all podiums. Thx to all GTC cars who helped made the job easy and, thanks to you, I even relaxed for last 10 laps.

Stick with it Simon although I have noticed that these things to happen in batches (normally of three :'(). A good race is just around the corner.

had a sorry result that didnt match my speed tonight  :(

Hadnt touched GTR since thursday so qually was a bit of a re-acquaitance session culminating with me finally getting back in the 50's again to leap ahead of a couple of guys and be in a Legends sarnie.
Race was great for first half, battling pops and Ad for lap after lap. Got past Pops finally up at becketts when he got out of shape on final curve and then tried to sprint off up the track but pops was making me work hard for many laps until the pitstops.
He pitted first and i followed on lap later, only to see him re-emerge for a stop and go and then to get one myself when i exited the pits  ::)  I must have crossed the line about 1 or 2 mph over unwittingly  :-[ (note to self...practise your sodding pitstops Jonzo!  :wetfish: )
I had been running just behind the top 3 (aliens) upto that point and expecting a good result. The stop and go destroyed all that, but i was hopeful others were making a late stop.
I was re-catching the pack ahead at 2 seconds a lap or more and confident of re-taking some places before race end only to then find i didnt have enough fuel to finish with about 10 laps remaining  ??? :taz: That really p*sed me off after 2 hours around silverstone  >:(
Dont know why as i had 1:10 of fuel onboard and put another 15mins on at stop  ???  is there a fuel bug here?
Very frustrating end to a good race as had to stop again for yet more fuel and luckily just rejoined in front of Munkez who had been a lap down on me. Felt like a long old waste of time for no result.  :(

ps...also i noticed my name disapeared off driver table at end?...any ideas why?  I hit the escape button after crossing the line as i was annoyed but i had got the race finished text up, so ?

Another cracking racedebrief  :lol:

Was I in GTC? I was wondering why I was so slow  ???.  ;D ;D


You could of had it before if you wanted :). I don't have secrets :):

http://files.filefront.com/Vertigo+JR+Qsvm/;9521902;/fileinfo.html

Yeah I noticed, you didn't really make it easy for me there  :P

That was a tough but enjoyable race.  Finally managed i decent time in qualy right at the end after never getting a clear lap and started 7th i think.  Had Pablao on my bumper for a while but managed to stay ahead and was following Dave i think almost same pace so was pleased but then i really started having problems stoping and turning in about 30 mins into race and was getting caught by everyone behind, looked at my tyre temps and the fronts had gone right down to the 40's?? Never had this before. I noticed track temp went down aswell. Anyway managed to get to the pit stop and thought i would go for soft fronts as the temp was low and it kinda worked for a bit, but then engine heath starting getting dangerously low so had to nurse the car home with 15 mins to go.

GTC's were great.  

Grats Winners.

Replay and Provisional Results now available

Unofficial Lapchart (http://lapcharts.simracing.org.uk/Lapcharts/UE Silverstone 27-01-2008/index.html)

That was for me an intense 80 mins. Until the first pitstop I was basically battling with Darren after the 1st couple of settling in laps. Darren was obviously quicker over a lap but the TVR had a small edge on speed. Sadly we had a coming together when I decided the quickest way out of a corner was sideways. I had caught it but lost a lot a speed just as one would expect to be accelerating :( Thanks for waiting Darren but it was only right to let you go off first as it was my mistake.

I though after the pitstops, with the different strategies I would not be in a race after - how wrong was I. Darren did get the place back and about 6.5 secs more for good measure but we both seemed to jump several of the Porsches, and my bride to the marshals to give the Legend guys stop and go penalties seemed to pay dividends. So it was chase Darren down with Andy catching up from behind. I caught Darren and managed to get a run down Hanger Straight to get the position but with serious wear on the front left struggled and Andy got me, only to have his little incident to let me back passed. Darren was never far behind either to the line.

I think the biggest gap I had to a car was the 6.5 secs after the pitstop in the whole of the 80 mins. Brilliant :) However glad to see the back of Silverstone, I like the circuit but struggle to do well here - have done since GPL days :(

That's two pretty good Lambo races in two nights for me - after a satisfying 130 minute race on R2P yesterday with stnasky glued to my rear for most of it I thought tonight's 'Endurance' race would whizz by but how wrong I was!

Used all of practice and a lot of qually figuring out what to do with tyres before settling on soft fronts and medium rears - the right choice, it turned out, but with a price to pay, as I would discover.

Early part of the pace lapped seemed very quick and then things calmed down, only to have some bizarreness happen at the start - I pulled up right behind the Lister ahead with the limiter on and then suddenly everyone stopped - it seemed like there was some warp, not just a concertina effect. Hopefully the replay will shed some light on what happened. That also meant that the two cars ahead had no brake lights, which made the opening few laps interesting to say the least!

Picked up some front end damage but car still seemed to handle okay and made up places past Pablo and then Paul Richards as they went off. Car felt good for the first 30 minutes and as I started to lap people I was thinking how much people seemed to have learned since my last season in GT1 about how to let cars lap them safely. TT was catching me but I seemed to be able to stay far enough ahead to ensure he wouldn't be able to get past in the slower Lister.

With 10 minutes to my stop, the price for mixed tyres started to make itself know - the soft fronts, though more worn, had more grip than worn medium rears, and the car started to oversteer quite badly in some corners. Eventually I got bitten on the way out of Beckets, with a small use of the curbs unsettling the car and spitting me off in a big tank slapper, letting TT and Backo by.

Stroked the car round for one more lap before reaching my pit window. Stop went well and I let the crew spend a few seconds repairing the damage from the start as best they could in case it let me coax more speed out of the car, and knowing that everyone around me probably had similar damage too.

Second half had less direct action but it was still busy busy busy as the track seemed thick with traffic. With more of a gap to play with I was being a lot less forceful passing people, which seemed to make matters worse - on a number of occaisions I positioned myself directly behind a car, rather than offset, to show that I was happy to just follow through a twisty section, only to have them break mid-corner. :o Luckily I think the only car I touched was Darren - sorry, that was my fault trying to squeeze by on the inside.

I also scared the pants out of myself when, having passed Paul968 on the run up to Abbey I accidently hit the downshift paddle on the way in and did the first half of the chicane pointing in a thoroughly unconventional direction right in front of him. :o Also had a massive moment in Maggots as the tyres wore again with me fighting the car through 4 or 5 fishtails but this time managing to hang on to it. Rather pleased to finish without binning it again and not that far behind TT with his sneaky late splash and dash strategy. :D

Great racing Pete.  I lost count how many times we went into corners side by side.  :thumbup1:

It was a shame about the coming together.  At the time I was trying to slingshot past you down the straight.  I was already hard on the gas when you went sideways...  I just had nowhere to go...  :'(  I was having so much fun at the time, I didn't mind waiting.  I just wanted the battle to continue for as long as possible.  ;D


Don't worry Dave..  No harm done...  :)

ps. Haven't seen the replay yet but I fear I may have been the straw that broke the Psueueuedo camel's back - I was too busy looking at you running wide in Brooklands (or Priory - I can never remember which is which!) and ran wide myself, then I saw you were in the gravel and I didn't know whether I pushed or you simply fell. :-\

Seeing the turnout, I've adjusted the scoring system for both classes in Upper Endurance and GT2 in Lower Endurance to use the UKGPL scheme, 50 to 1 for 14 places. Otherwise only half the runners get points.

It was good to see such a large grid. It was a shame that some drivers missed out as server full.

Interesting race yesterday.  :)  Sad to say I was just starting to get a grip on how to use the curbs in the Becketts when quali ended. Was 0,5 sec down in the first part when I botched the lap, si my possibilities were for 5th or 6th place in quali, while my actual time was enough for 10th place.  :)

Was having some difficulties in the beginning of the race, gained and lost some places, then gained them back. Some close laps with Gazza, Pribeiro and Backo. Then the pace settled and I was following Dave closely until he went off. Very consistent, Dave, until that slip.  :)  Went to pits when I saw I was losing time on worn tyres. Increased the amount of fuel to take with me and it proved to be a tripple waste of time.  :(  More time in the pits, heavier car and in the end I had too much fuel - for the amount I took additionaly.  :no:  If I trusted my initial calculations I'd be in front of SBG easily, as in the last few laps the time gap between us dropped from 25 to 5 seconds.  :-\   But that would be exploiting another drivers miscalculation, not driving. So I guess 6th place in the end is about right considering laptimes and endurance consistency.  :)
I was lucky to get in yesterday. When I came to the lobby the game was full. Waited patiently and jumped when it read 31/32. Guess I got your spot, Mark.  :-\  Lister is great to drive, but I'm sad to see it have 20 kg more than last season. Why, that sneaky Shark...  :winkiss:

Good job my fellow Legends, though there was some bad luck.  :(  Why are you all over there driving the slow cars?  :P  Wanna bet GT1 class was much more dynamic on these straights?  :-*   

TT

Not guilty your honour  ;D 

Had a reasonably good qually it was tough to get a clear lap in but I got a bit lucky and was able to do an ok lap. My race setup felt quite good in practice so thought that I might be competitive. Not sure what happened at the end of the pace lap just as I went on the limiter it slowed up in front of me and I ran into Zacari, Simon then ran into me and I could see he had some front end damage so I guess I did too. Didn't seem to effect the car much though and Simons pace seemed ok as well. With the early battles apart from Freq we were all closed up and Brian had a moment at turn 1 and Zacari and myself were passed. Brian then got a good run down the hanger straight and was up the inside. I stayed wide and we were side by side through the fast right hander but he was able to chop across my nose into the sharp left. This allowed Simon passed as well with my loss of momentum but he spun at the top of the hill before bridge.

The race then settled down and I was pulling away from the cars behind but losing time to those infront. Toward the pit stops I closed up a bit on teamie SBG and jumped in the pits before we came up on some GTCs. Brian was also in the pit already. My stop went well and I left just behind Brian gaining time on him overall. After all the pit stops had rotated I had jumped SBG but was again slowly dropping back from the front 3. SBG intially started to close the gap to me a bit but dropped back in the final laps with his fuel shortage. Congrats to Freq and Jeff for the wins and to the other podium finishers. Big thanks to all the GTCs with the lapping, everyone was great last night.   

As Jon says, quite a race! Had to settle for 3rd on the grid behind the vertifasts of JR and Jon, but in the race the RS had the legs on Jon's car with full fuel and managed to nick the place after a few laps. We both slipped up a couple of times but by the time the pitstops came round I only had a slender lead with Jeff a long way up the road. We pitted on the same lap and had almost identical stops, so the gap was unchanged. Things looked good until Zacari passed me out of T1 and then promptly spun on the curbs at the top of the hill. It looked like he would continue to spin to the right, so I steered to go behind him, but he then got some grip and steered the other way which brought the car right back in front of me and I had nowhere to go. Luckily the splitter survived, but the gap had come right down and the car felt a touch slower afterwards. Jon continued to reel me in until with only a few laps left a GT1 made a rather forceful lunge down the inside at maggots and in avoiding it left me out of position for beckets. Jon had a look at the inside of the next corner but I was commited to the line and we had some small contact, after which the steering started twitching down the straight. This was highly distracting with a pesky Vertigo buzzing around  my exhaust, so I was quite relieved to make it most of the way round the lap without messing up. It got me in the end though as I ran wide at priory and let him through. I almost managed to get the place back in the next couple of laps but it wasn't to be and Jon held on to finish 2nd. Great fun Jon  :thumbup1:

Congrats to Freq and JR for the wins and to the Kerbie lads in GT1 for some solid team points (and pole for SBG!). I was a bit surprised that there was such a gap back to the next GTC - normally 40kgs is about right to put me in the pack, but it didn't work out that way here in either qual or the race.

Don't worry Dave...I simply fell off...you didn't touch me.

By that time my enthusiasm had evaporated quicker than a vipers fuel load, so I drifted wide to stay out of your way and even got that totally wrong and beached it ::)

I meant to put this in earlier :-[
Amazing Pace Jeff 8) 1s a lap quicker, awesome stuff :o Better get my Hormonal Jr ass some more practice ;)   

Edit: Is ass swearing?

Thanks Jon, ass far ass I can tell it's a bodypart  ::)

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4382/iconmoonug4.gif) (http://imageshack.us)

Depends whether it's bottoms or donkeys! :D

...or Auto Sim Sport (http://www.autosimsport.net/) ;)

That was good fun. Big grats to SBG in qually, none of us were expecting it when you stuck in a 40.8!

Race started off great as for the first time ever, I was attacking on hangar straight (it felt soooo good  :wub:) which lead to the pass at stowe. After that I just got in a groove and slowly eeked out a gap. SBG did a great job of holding my teamies up (money's in an unmarked envelope under ur dustbin)  ;)

Main moments of the race were replay:
1028 - Psuedodo off and very close lapping - thru the middle!
1320 - Legends in convoy
2560 - Brian came out of the pit right in front of me, a bit like Jeff in the lower enduro. Felt a little mean overtaking him but made sense whilst his tyres were cold. I pitted after I held him up for a lap >_<

I'll spare the final one, suffice to say I had a scary moment 1.5 laps from home  :scared:

Great racing at the start and tense throughout. Great chat on TS again ;D and awesome to see the juniors kicking ass with a 1-2-3 ;D ;D!! The seniors in blue are past it now and we're taking over the force. Only Jeff remains in his (heavily cushioned - complete with stairlift and support handles) Blue 1984 Civic, nothing at all like the mighty Red Belgium bullet that Jon drives.  :angel:

Nice one JR, nice to know the old boy's still cut it occasionally  :wheelchair: :scooter:

Looking forwards to ogling your behind at Brno!  :tt1:

I was only a bit faster than you once I came out of the pits. I did not know if I should have forced a pass or not. I was in the slipsream on the straight but decided against making the attempted pass. I'm glad you pitted and solved the problem.

I watched the replay back today and there was a few moments.

The start was not the best again.

I was also glad that I found I played no part in Simons exit. I thought it might have been due to my first corner off but it turned out to be something completely different. Just a slight misjudgement and lock up on his part causing his spin.

On the whole it was an exciting race.

I was never far away from the car in front or behind for that matter.

I was only ever a few corners away from a Vertigo and even if you guys were running seriously low wing, the speed difference was still frightening.

Been checking Motec to compare my praccy laps with the race laps to see if I could spot any differences as to why the car felt so different....didn't need to compare though it was blatently obvious just from the race laps....every time I touched my brake pedal (not too often round this track fortunately) the graph started dancing up and down, it looked like I was cadence braking with a club foot! :o.....so I have now re-soldered the dodgy wire, cleaned the pots etc and it all seems to work again. ::)

Amazing how much you can forget after a short break.....I always checked my pedals etc before starting a race prior to going offline...never even crossed my mind last night. :wheelchair:

(please keep the comments about age and senillity to a minimum....I wont remember what you say anyway ???)

Sounds like an interesting race was had. Hope to god there is room in the next race!!

Download 8 times  :o.

What do you guys think of it? Did it make you faster or did it feel good for you?