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Practice 1:	20:10	(10 mins)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:20	(10 mins)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 mins)
Race:	20:55	(25 laps)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)).
Weather: 20% rain.
Track: Silverstone ('Northampton') International (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_silverstone))
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Championship standings can be found on the series page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=68;theme=3).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.

The race will be in English light drizzle.

The event will be held on the shorter International circuit.

The full time list will be published as soon as practical after the registraion poll closes. We are hopeful that the server can be run in 32-slot form to allow as many drivers as possible to compete.

The race will be done on a distance basis as the track has an incorrect distance setting. Future events will revert to 40 minute timed format.

What sort of GTC times are peeps getting in the 20% wet round here?

Morgan for me, so much fun :). Tried some laps online (dunno which wet percentage it uses, probably 20%) and did a 1:25.4 or something. Used hard wets, but it's a hard choice between hards and inters.

I got down into the 1.24's in the mosler with the inters. I tried soft wets but they just overheated, i'll have a go with the hards.

I don't tend to run in the rain so its taking time to just get used to it.


****Blatent lie alert******

Oops i was actually doing 1.27s in the wet. Cant beleive you guys are only a second off my dry time! balls!

This one looks hard on tyres for me... I think I will be on slicks.  ;D

Time wise iam not far off Ruskus with race fuel but the tyres wont go the distance.

27s here too.

Unfortunatly, i will miss this one  :censored:
i hope you all have fun  8)

I'm showing up as Full Time, but I voted for Reserve status.

I don't want to take anyone else's FT spot if there were more that wanted one as I'm happy to be Reserve for this series, but if there aren't any more requesting FT then may as well leave it as is.

Actually scrub that, I just realised I would like to drive the Vertigo in this series as I'm doing GT1 in the Upper Endurance.

whoohoo, glad to see we are now using variable weather in our sprints too  8) somehow i missed this fact and have only done dry practise  :P ...i best get my wellies on and do some laps this eve. Was doing 1:21 in the dry...not that it matters now  ::)

We're not - it's fixed weather and will normally be set based on what we haven't had recently in Endurance. :laugh:

Hmm, so other than you and your team mates  ;) how will the rest of us know what the weathers likely to be and when? or are you saying we need to do wet and dry practises for all sprint rounds from now on?
Busy people like my good self arent exactly blessed with loads of spare practise time so halving the prep once more is really going to hurt :'(

Its in the race briefing Mark.

....we've all know since the 13th  :) Sure we will get at least a weeks notice in the future.

Mind you I've not done any wet pracci yet :'(

ah ta Paul, it was Daves mention of 'depending on enduro weather' made me think it would be a late mention.
I hadnt even seen the 20% damp for this round until a team mate mentioned it this morning  :P Most of my glimpses of this forum are snatched briefly at work in between pretending to do some graft  ;D

Sorry, just to confirm, obviously because I did vote reserve, I don't want to take away someone's full time spot if there was someone that applied for it who didn't get one. Just if there is no full-time votee that I "took" the spot from then I'm happy to be full-time.

Just gotta say I'm looking forward to this (dodgy ISP allowing), my first srouk Championship GTR race.  And its in the wet at Silverstone, result  ;D

Hope to be keeping out of everyone's way!

I might not be able to make this. Sadly my leaky plumbing needs to take priority, I've got the plumber coming round tommorow night.

You'd think with a name like that you wouldn't need to... ;)

Hiya Guys

Im not going to be able to make this one - Work and rl issues have got in the way of any serious praccy these last 2/3 weeks. Will be back for Brno - tho I hate that track.

GL to all tomorrow night.

Cheers

Rob

Sadly I'm out of this one too. Not good to miss any event but I was especially looking forward to the first one.       I'm sure it will be a good race with a big field around the tighter track. Have fun!

right, after missing the eunduro cos i downloaded the new skin pack from the SRou link and finding it corrupt i had to miss sundays race but will be up for tonight...lack of prepping but alllll good! look forward to it  :P :P :P :P

Purdie who?

 ;D

Not seen or heard anything for you from a while (does this mean you're getting some nowadays  :-X ) - look forward to seeing you on track tonight.

I'm hoping there's room to join in the slippery fun tonight, 20% rain gives all manner of tyre options and the racing should be pretty interesting.  I was even able to run ok with hard slicks on during a practice, after I thought I'd put hard wets on :-[  Think it'll be inters for me though :)

Yea, 20% rain is a really difficult borderline condition where multiple tyre options are available depending on your driving style/car choice.

Enjoy lads  :scooter: :scooter: :scooter: :scooter: :wheelchair: :wheelchair: :wheelchair:

Unexpectedly it looks like I can race tonight so fingers crossed I can get in as a reserve!

rain + Vertigo = fun! :sorcerer:

Really? I can't get it to stop snapping out under braking. I'll be lucky to complete a lap at this rate. :(

Unfortunately that was just undriveable, with my ancient (5 yr old   :o) PC I was hovering around low-20s fps, sometimes in the teens, no way to correct minor moments in time, and couldn't get near to times I'd done on the quiet practice server or offline (when I had high-30s fps).

I'd have been a liability.   :(

Okay, job 1 tomorrow is to buy the PC bits I've had in my Scan shopping trolley and build the flippin' PC I've been talking about for ages!

Hope the race was good for everyone.

Got to 7th from 11th on the grid  to then realise id put in 28ltr instead of 28 laps.. i didnt wack the steering wheel honestly. >:(
grats podium
cheers

Quite uneventfull bit still fun with the Morgan

Did a PB in qually and got pole not far from a few others behind, so it looked like it was gonna get close.

I hope I didn't surprise you SBG with disengaging the limiter there, but that's where the start/finish is :).

Rest of the race was nice sliding action and try to keep it on the black stuff :P

That was me Jeff I think at the start. I knew it was there just wanted to leave a little gap honest  :whistling:

Well that started off ok! Qualified in second place and race started and car felt great. Could just about keep with Jeff then all of a sudden the car just wouldn't slow down into the right hander at the top of hill. Not only did I go off I nearly hit the far wall. No idea what happened there but dropped from second to 17th  ;D

Then had some good battles until after a few laps with Darren again the car just didn't slow down and I tapped him. A few laps later while battling with Madd exactly the same thing happened in the same place and I tapped him too! Many apologies chaps. I wonder if I was locking up and just didn't hear it will check the replay.

Not the best way to start the season. Track was very hard to pass on and the only way was to wait for a mistake or get very close which was a bit dodgy in the slippery conditions. Good fun though  ;D

Argh... got a disco at the end of quali, didnt notice and set a good time. Got back in too late so started off the back.

Thought it might be fun climbing back up the order but it was hard work. Managed 1 car a lap intill I locked up and went on at the hair pin, god knows how I didnt take any one with me. :)

Back to last place, caught up and started again, I managed to clip both Gillets with my rear trying to get by, sorry guys. Sorry also to the RS I pushed off, I think one of us warped maybe? I need to see the reply, but it was my fault.

Well done Jeff.

Cars all look alike :P. I engaged my limiter but I noticed there was quite a gap between us, so I lifted off a few times to let you catch so you didn't have to disengage the limiter:).

Massive fun.  Was happy with 10th from qually - I forget what the time was, safe to say it was a PB? 1:25.2 I think?

From the start I was just very steady, making up places as people made mistakes.  Don't think I made a pass for position all race, just didn't make as many mistakes as others.  I'm sad to say that's how I ended up in front of MJ and TT...

I was running in 4th behind Zacari for an age, but then Baracus caught me, and that added pressure let Zacari dissapear into the distance.  A locked wheel into the hairpin let Baracus through, and then I had to chase him down.  We were less than a second apart for the rest of the race, only at the end of the penultimate lap did I get too sideways into Brooklands and Baracus was off the hook.

Really really good fun, and a properly good start for the season (for me anyway!).  Cheers all.

Was relatively pleased with quali, 0.5s off pb but car felt pretty good, then thought I'd have some fun and throw the ruddy thing off the track  ::) , started to claw back some places then came across a spinner, tried to avoid but got clipped and spun so had to start all over again!!  :D

Once again started making up spots and had a mega scrap with Darren, but we came across Paul who'd spun and guess what?........ We had to start again   :laugh: ,

Finally got past Darren with some trouble but had run out of laps to make up any more spots.

A busy and pretty enjoyable race, the rain reallly added to the fun, although I feel for the people who's frame rates were low, definately not the thing to have with such close racing.

Grats to the podium.....I suspect the stewards will be involved to check Jeff's car for illegal turning devices like rudders and keels etc!!!  ;D

Replay and provisional results are available above

Unofficial Lapchart (http://lapcharts.simracing.org.uk/Lapcharts/LS Silverstone 22-01-2008/index.html)

I finished with 30L as well, still thats better than the alternative ;)

Pretty dull race that. Clearly couldn't match JR but could stay with Paul, began to mount a challenge and he promptly wanders off into scenery :'(. Then Zacari and TT dissapeared and I was stuck in no mans land. Had no idea how my med/med slicks would last so took it real steady in mid section and luckily had a little in reserve when Zacari came calling again.

Great pace from JR and Zacari in less competitive cars, congrats to you both. Also a big thanks to those I lapped who were more than generous :angel: Although I think team mate Stew tried to dive bomb me ;D

First race back after my absence...... ;D ;D ;D.....I ain't arf missed it.

Great fun. Quite a busy little race for me...some good battling with Ossie and a few others...few little downpoints but still total enjoyment.

Ah well, there goes all the time I've been spending in the pub...back to practice ;)

Grats Podium.

That felt like 10 minutes to me, it was so exciting all race!

Highlight of the race was the battle with Adam - we were both going in too hot and sliding around mid-bend - it was ace!!

Lowlight is my spin indiuced by trying to avoid 3 cars infront going into Woodcote when one went on the grass and recovered... we all ran out of road and I had to let 2 pass me whilst I got back on-line.

Very happy with 4th from 8th on the grid. There was loads more passing for position than the whole of last season it seemed :)

Near the end I was thinking I might even be able to catch Zacari, but I pushed too hard an didn't gain quick enough. All in all a superb race from my cockpit... bring it on!

Respect to JR in that old chassis design... way to go m8!

As I wasn't expecting to race I hadn't driven a lap on the International layout until about 30 mins before the race so I'm pretty happy with 10th! Luckily I had a decent damp set-up from practicing the longer layout that we're using for Endurance so I just went with that.

The racing was great, I had an extended battle with Darren and Paul Richards for a good while which was great and Pete kept me honest the entire race just a couple of seconds behind.

I'm a bit disappointed I wasn't quite up to Sharks pace to have a Vertigo battle royale but he was a tad too quick in the end.

Thanks to the back-markers who were pretty excellent :)

I got lucky with last minute setup changes. I was finding it hard in qualifying, unhappy with an uncomfortable setup. Then with a few minutes left I made some more changes and the car was not bad. So I jumped quite a few places in the last minutes of qualifying and ended up dicing with some 911s and a certain 350Z in the race where a few minutes earlier I was expecting to battle Pop's Vertigo.

That was rather good fun. Qualified mid-pack in 14th which wasn't bad, especially with a little bit of ballast on board. Nearly ran into Darren at the start when he was faffing about with the limiter but decided not to try and take advantage as that would mean going offline into Copse on cold tyres and I didn't much fancy that! :o

Early on I was being pretty conservative and Jan sneakily stuck his Vertigo up the inside into the hairpin at the end of the back straight. I tried to brave it out for a few corners but had to concede the place, only to reclaim it a lap or so later using the Nissan's superior horsepower.

After that I gave chase to Shark et al ahead while MJ recovered and reeled me in. Avoided getting creamed in the first corner when he misjudged his braking but I knew I wouldn't be able to hold the much faster RS off forever and eventually ran wide and allowed him to set off after Shark instead.

I was keeping in touch with Shark hoping for a mistake but after a while I started to struggle with the high wear on the left front and was getting monster understeer in the fast right handers. Caught Dan up after his stop but wasn't really any faster so when I ran wide in Bridge I let him back through to go off after the other tail enders and allow me to concentrate on staying on the track and making sure Pops didn't catch up, especially as I was now trying to make my way safely through the backmarkers despite my ever worsening handling.

Very pleased to finish 9th despite the 10kg of ballast. I'm sure I won't make a habit of it!

didn't have time to do a setup....other than alter the fuel... :) last minute decision to take vertigo so stuck with the default.

That was a tough old fight from start to finish, had some great battles along the way particularly with those TS rascals DG and Shark  :fencing:

I was really looking forward to tonight as had been pumping in constant 1:24.4 laptimes in my offline praccy. However i was worried what the frame-rates would be as despite my fairly monster rig i had to leave online praccy last night with only 7 cars on track as had bad stutters and poor frames.
So for the first time i reduced all detail levels and turned off animations to help but it was still quite bad for first few laps of race and at intermittent parts of track through all sessions.  :'(
Cost me about 0.5-1 second in lap times and could not even break into 24's tonight  :(

Could have kicked my own ass on first flying lap when i ran wide at becketts with a bit of stutter and cold tyres and immediately dropped from 7th to about 12th ?
Then had a tough old fight with the TS pairing for most of race, eventually getting past both after hard duels in the slippery conditions.
Simon made it very tough for me in last few laps with my front left tyre on 24 wear :o and was throwing everything at me to get by, with the porkers exit traction saving me more than once.

Good team result overall with Legends in 5th,6th and 7th  8) but was personally gutted as had thought i could have grabbed a top 5 tonight with my qual and race pace i had in offline sessions.  :'(

The scarey thing is that Jeff has just tried my Vertigo setup and went faster than his Morgan time with it. :o :o Wasn't convinced about it being a great setup, but it seemed to do me ok for the race so if anyone wants it I'm happy to share as these more unusual cars are particularly hard to setup I find.

Not guilty your honor :angel:

Ooops sorry Stew. It was a fezza that let me bye for lapping and then proceeded to brake way to late and slide past my outside at next corner. Only bit of excitement I had in whole race :).

Said it before, but those being lapped were especially helpfull last night. More importantly they were very predictable and in control  :angel:   

I would like to take a look please Shark.....didn't have one for this race so used the default and it stunk...could you give me a clue as to times round the GP circuit being done with it too please if pos...give me something to aim at...(other than a sand trap)

In S5 me and Pops ran a race best of 1:52.9, so somewhere in the low 1:53's?

cheers Adam...feel better already...just been doing 52's in my first praccy session so I may be able to get a bit more yet too....although everyone else will prolly be in the 49's by now lol

Cool - I ran a 1:51.2 in qually if that helps.

Here you go.

SG - Silverstone (Int) - 20% RAIN (http://www.simongymer.teamshark.org.uk/files/SG-Vertigo-SilverInt-QDAMP.zip) - 1:25.6 in the race.

Sorry didn't try the Vertigo on the GP circuit so don't know about times. You might need to reduce the wing by one notch and increase gearing by one notch for the GP circuit. It's very much setup for the conditions. Normally I have a lot more stiffness in the rear of the Vertigo for the dry so it can corner even better.

Thank you kind sir

I thought that was a brilliant race, a good few battles, I'm assuming ossie had tyre issues as he was all over the place after a few laps! I decided to let a couple of you faster guys through rather than you taking us both out trying to get past :P.

The last couple of laps I had my heart in my mouth a few times, especially the last corner, worth a watch on the replay if you want a laugh! Paul had a go up the inside but due to my crappy right view angle (I must change it) I couldn't tell whether he was along side or not so I went wide and ended up on the grass and started spinning as I was going over the line! I think it was 0.018secs between us in the end!

Still have no idea where you guys can find 3secs on that track in those conditions though, I couldn't brake very hard at all without loosing the back end, don't know if setup changes made a big difference to that?

A lot depends on tyres, but if your car snaps under braking move brake bias forward, also stiffening the front helps to cope with weighttransfers. All this is not of any use in the Morgan, that's just a matter of throwing it around and thing you're playing Richard Burns Rally :P

I did actually try stiffening the front sus and lowering it slightly and I thought it was a little better but wasn't sure if it was my imagination. I always find it's difficult to get the right logic when it comes to car setup - I though changing brake bias to front might have opposite effect for the same reason as the sus stiffening works.

Don't forget to also increase ride height to prevent aquaplaining.

When you lock up the fronts under braking, you understeer. Locking the rear makes the rear break out. So if the rear is unstable under braking move the bias forwards. Also increasing coast might work for braking IIRC.

These first two races havent gone well at all!

I was all set to join on the dot last night and realised i'd forgotten the password. I couldnt logon to the website on the PC as i couldnt remember my password so had rush downstairs and start up the laptop that i normaly use to read the forum so i can see the password. Ended up losing most of the first practise session. I'd been practising with inters on but they take a few laps to get going so I switched to wets for qualifying as they gave more grip straight away but for some reason decide to stay on them for the race :o never seen tire temps that high before! But there was some close racing at the back which was good, but the Vert now seems as quich as anything else
So twice now i've changed tyres when i shouldnt have! 
Maybe i can salvage a half decent race on the upper enduro...