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Practice 1:	20:00	(25 mins)
Qual 2:	20:25	(30 mins)
Race:	20:55	(80 mins)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Brno 2004
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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any body got any GT3 times for here yet please? never driven this track before, just had a first few laps in the viper cc.....2:09 ish ?

2.05 in race setup so far Bob. I guess that Brno is more a 811 and bimmer than a tub track.

Cheers Ian...not too upset at being around 4 secs slow at the mo, as I dont know the trach too well yet and only turned a couple of laps....prolly end up only 3 secs behind you all after some praccy  ;D

What I found a fast way around here, is to really brake towards the apex. Most corners are so long that if you only brake in a straight line, you'll be coasting or on low throttle through those corners. Instead if you brake really late in right upto the apex, you can be on the throttle very quickly.

Probably easier said than done, but something to try for sure.  :)

TT

eeek.... sounds like trailbraking.....or in my words....struggling to get out of the sand traps ::)

Wishful thinking I'm afraid Ian. I'm knocking on the door of 2.02s in the Viper in qual trim, so expect to be playing the pitstop game to get in front.

Show me ur times FriQ...FroQ...FreQ  ;D

Lol - I haven't driven it yet mate, I've been sooooo busy!  :laugh:

Seriously, I've still got a lot of stuff to do this weekend as well, so I'll jump online as soon as I get a moment. Only ever driven the Lambo round here so no idea what to aim for  8)

The armco.... :shifty:

You're just jealous of our fiery-red youth!  :wheelchair: :wheelchair:

2:05.3 in the BMW Z3M in qually trim so hopefully a bit better than my last outing at Silverstone.

So you'll be taking some ballast this time then?  :whistling: ;D

2:07.820 with 85 mins fuel & Med/Hard tyres. :( Feel so slow here. :wheelchair:

I see we can only use GT2/3 cars. But when I select GT2 and GT3 in a quickrace I only get a few cars. But when I go to the practice server I can choose even GTC G3 and probably other cars as well. Which is correct?

I think the server is set up so you can practice for any Brno event in the future, including upper endurance with GT1's and GTC's.

Spot on JR, we usually leave the practice server will all classes available so people can practice early for the other classes.

Thanks

Think I'm gonna struggle here, the 360 feels really poor and I can't seem to hit on a good setup!  Anyone got any Q/R times in GT2 yet ???

Lost connection with about a min left in quali.   >:(  Not able to get back in time!!!!

Seems the god of racing doesn't want me to have any fun.

So angry right now I could smack a cute baby rabbit.....right in the face!!!

Hope you all have/had a good race

RM

Same here Reign Man, Disgusted....Bloody Disco with a minute or so left till the end of qually :taz:.  Couldnt get back in on time, two sundays in a row now ive had problems.

Ah well, cyas next time i guess.

Had a "great" newbie race  :-[
Sorry to the Beemer I tapped, entirely my fault.

puntured a rear tyre and got stuck in the sand, couldn't get back to the pits.
hope I last a bit longer next time  :D

Sorry Evert, thought you were to give me space through the esses, so I went beside you. Tap and you were off. Tried to hit your front to spin you back, but it didn't go. Waited, but the race was spoiled. That and bloody worn tyres were too much, so I quit.  :(

TT

Don't know what happened. Did 3 sec slower on quali than I did on practice, then in the race I made too many mistakes. Also had to take hard rear tires which gave me no rear grip, so I'm pretty sure I'll give the BMW a go in the future.

not good for me either tonight.....again.  :(

a second down on pb for quali and nearly 3 secs a lap down on praccy times in race setup?....

had a couple of nice rear end battles though....good stuff lads :).....went out in the end through excessive tyre wear I presume. Really struggling to turn in anywhere and ended up tickling a tyre wall....which in the viper means you lose the front end...wheels and all ::)...didn't know I had lost the front wheel though...tried to limp back to pits but the engine blew after about 100 yds. oh well...I am really neading some more praccy time.

grats to winners etc.

I had a good fight with Dave and SBG for a while but got greedy on the power and spun  ::) , then when I went in for my pitstop, the engine wouldn't turn off  >:( , so wasted about 10 seconds there and when I started to catch back up to Simon and Dave in the last few laps, my pedals stopped working on the last corner  :( .
Not my night I think, a real shame as I was reasonably competetive and was looking forward to a good race long scrap.
Ah well on to the next one!

Grats to both podiums too.  ;)

Not a good race again :wacko:
Had a good scrapp with Zacari and Roadrunner for a while, i hope my defense
driving was fair :yes:
Bi-turbo have a nice top speed and torque, but i feel it a bit heavy, and after 15 laps,
i began to struggling with lack of front grip :tank:
At least i didnt blow the engine this time  :whistling:
Well done to both podiums :alien:

Cheers

Even though I thought I had a reasonable setup before hand, when it came to practice sessions for the race I was so far off I had to make some more major adjustments. They seemed to work and I was ok pace in qually just ahead of Gizmo's Viper CC.

Race started ok, although Gizmo soon powered past me in his Viper CC I then had a GT2 right behind me and I guess his extra grip and my lower grip and braking power saw him nudge me into the gravel at T1. This lost me about 26-27 seconds and damage to my rear.

So right at the back after that, the first half of the race up to the pit stop was about seeing if I could get back into the back of the GT3 pack and indeed after quite a while I managed to catch and pass Ade and Pseudo in their Viper CCs as they were fighting with each other.

I decided to pit at half distance for fresh rubber and also got my rear bumper repaired. Came out of the pits about 7 or 8 seconds behind Gizmo. With much less fuel in the car, the rear repaired and new medium tyres I was lapping faster than before by quite a lot and after about half of the second stint I'd caught Gizmo up. Then for the remainder of the race I tried to find a way past Gizmo but even right down to the last lap he didn't make a big enough mistake for me to even have a decent try. I was all over him in the corners, but on the straights he just powered away so it was impossible to make an outbrake without a major mistake from him and it didn't come.

The Z3M really doesn't like the heavy fuel load. With full tanks I was lapping quite a lot slower than I would hope for and despite the amount of time it can make in the pits with no need to take on fuel it's not quite fast enough to get up to the 911 GT3s. If I hadn't lost 26 seconds at the start I think I would have ended up between Gizmo and the 911GT3s up front in no mans land, so in the end the off gave me a better race. :)

Maybe it could do with a bit more torque in the next skin pack? Anyway, I'll stick with it as I'm still learning it and how to set it up and it was a darn sight better this race than Silverstone with a half decent setup.

Well done to all the podiums and winners. Time to go watch the Superbowl!

I didnt see owt wrong...Though there was TT, Andy? and Evert up close as well..was a mega exciting race for first 10 laps or so  ;D..eventually pitstops cycled through an despite his spin Zacari came out 15 secs infront of me  ???, but Gazzer ended up behind..so i was goin bit to quick to keep infront, an spun it into tyres exiting final corner...day done...

Those first 10 laps though  ;D...probably had me ratios a little wrong, cos i was losing out a little to Zac & Pr down the straits...the bi-turbo was just to strong at the end of them, though M3 & 360 did seem a little stronger coming onto straits an for the first 1/2 or so..then turbo power kicked in...the long straits were to long..an the short ones to short. But i`d take 10 laps of racing like that any day of the week

Replay and provisional results available

Again very close in qually with me and FreQ.

It was really Silverstone in vice versa :). I was infront of FreQ for the whole 1st stint. Then he disappeared all of a sudden and I thought he wrecked, but the bugger pitted early.
So when I came out he was 2s infront and I thought, oh he still needs to pit, but he didn't. So I had to push.
We had another cracking battling ;D. Side by side for half a lap :).

Sorry Mo for the tap, I thought you left room for me after letting FreQ past  :-[

Enjoyed that more than I expected - made some setup changes during qualifying to take some of the understeer out without making it snappish and they worked pretty well; not much pace in qualifying but once the race started I was able to power past Shark's Z3M and the Porsches of Madd and SbG, after the latter was subject to a little bump pass by another 811. Couldn't make any impression on the next car up and by halfway through the stint my tyres were shot (as usual) and it was more a matter of not doing anything crazy and nursing it round to the halfway point.

Stop went perfectly and found myself in last position but in good shape compated to a whole bunch of other runners, including Madd who should have been able to pass me easily in the stops but was nobbled by his ignition problem.

The track temperature had dropped off a bit, and where I'd had tyres nicely in the high 90s during the first stint, the second stint was more difficult with tyre temperatures only reaching high 80s most of the time. Pushed hard to maximise any advantage I might have over any late stoppers, and to try and build a gap over Shark behind who was now gaining alarmingly, knowing that once I got to the hour mark my tyres would be shot again and I'd be struggling to hold him off.

Was a bit disappointed to be flashed through by Ade who I was looking forward to passing for 17th, but we were out of sequence really.

Shark caught me up with about 30 minutes to go and I had to concentrate sooo hard to not leave the door open for him, and be able to get on the throttle early to build a little gap down the straights. I knew that if he got alongside under braking at the start of a twisty section he'd be past and away but somehow I failed to throw myself off the road, just dipping a wheel off now and again, nothing serious.

Quite chuffed with that as a finishing position at a track which doesn't really suit the VCC at all. 8)

Unofficial Lapchart (http://lapcharts.simracing.org.uk/Lapcharts/LE Brno 03-02-2008/index.html)

Don't know why, but me, the 811 and this track don't get on. So the result, and fun I had, came as a nice surprise  :)

Great fun fun for first 20 with Dan (no worries about touch whoever was at fault :angel:), DG and Madd. Dan eventually got past and pulled away, you seemed much quicker than me on straights, and I was left with a more ding dong battle with DG with his tyres going off. With some passes and avoiding action, as we both pushed hard :), Madd also caught us up until his spin :'(. Pitted early as fight with Dave was costing us both time and luckily I timed it as GT2 boys came round to laps us. This good fortune, and some fast laps, whipped me past those chaps and close to Paul after his eventful pit. Closed in on him at first but my tyres felt wonky and gradually fell away from him. Still, more than happy with 3rd with a track/car combo I didn't feel comfortable with.

Congrats to Jr and the new Mo (Irl version) ;)  Thx to GT2 boys who were great again and Madd/Paul for taking the extra weight, much appreciated :angel:

Your right Simon, the bimmer could do with a little leg up mid season I feel.

!!! O0 had a fun & great race today O0 !!!

made such a difference having a solid hours practise before the race! focused solely on race setup and honed in my strategy... running meds/meds and pitting half-way through with my fuel calculations saying I could make it on 100l  ;) it was close as I had to short-shifting most of the race  :-[

Start of the race was tough  8) with Gazza49er hassling me but he was in turn being hassled by pablo. Around lap 10 pablo passed gazza and sat on my backside for 5laps  :-\ before passing me. Due to it being an enduro I didn't defend too hard as pablo was faster and a teamie  ;)  :D

Pitting just for a fresh set of mediums I was out and running in 3rd until the end of the race. pablo would have beaten me if he didn't get any fuel (can't the M3 do it without refuelling? I thought FreQ just had tyres in his  ???)

Thanks to the GT3 cars for being fair...sorry to Morten, I know we didn't make contact but you spun so sorry anyway  ::)

Grats to Ruskus on a class win....great consistency in pace  ;D

He haa, that was fun! Who needs soppy ballast to make things close ;D

Tested a bit in qually and surprised to get so close to Jeff at the end, never expected to challenge him like in Silverstone. Great to see Purdie back at the front - you guys look like you had a close race. The race started off as expected, but my plan to run soft/medium went down the pan as soon as I saw the track temps - 34 degrees!  :o

Running med/hard for both stints, I decided to run a short first stint and then a longer second.....caught Jeff out a treat when he came out the pits 2 seconds behind me ;D

Then we had a reverse Silverstone duel. Great stuff again and we went side by side for 7 consecutive corners. That's pretty awesome, especially 2 races in a row!  8) 8)  Not quite a last lap gasp...but I suppose that's good for the ol' seniors  :laugh:

Well done all the podiums. The fuel calculation prize goes to Zacari for finishing with 0.5 litres left ;D I'm miles off with almost 11, anyone get closer?

See ya next time folks

That was hard work, quite suprised to be 4th on grid. Start of race was really fun, close to purdie and pablo all over my bumper, managed to fend him off for 5-6 laps while closing on purdie with a few side by side moments but eventually he got by and i was running really well in 6th still on a good pace, then tyres started wearing bad and i stayed out to long (as i didnt really do a proper calculation on pit stops coz i wasnt sure i was gunna race).

Once again though my terrible pitstops cost me at least 2 places, taking 3.28, really must practice  these. Came out in 10th, a few still hadnt pitted so got back to 8th and catching roadrunner when he spun on last corner so brought home in 7th.

Not bad for my first time driving these cars, might have to continue in the series now as ive lost the GT1 sprints.

Grats to podiums

Forgot to answer this, no the M3 is a little thirsty and needs a fuel top-up. I needed around 20 extra litres for this one.

Fuel strategy is too complex  :-\ My calculations said I needed 114L for the race. I pitted a little early but had only used 46 or 47 in the first stint, was no more than 41 mins to run in 2nd stint. So topped up to 57L - enough for the second stint I thought......

Zacari was chasing me down over the last few laps, he was a good second a lap quicker than me and got passed with about 2 laps to go :( Well done (he said grudgingly ;)) Then started talking about having a low fuel message from the pits. Mine followed half a lap later. I finished with 1.4L  :o I would have been dust if we had had to do another lap!

Enjoyed this race so much more than running the Viper in GT3 even if I did get pipped at the end by the pesky Junior boy  ;D

Another good race, although I never quite managed to match Mo, who returned to dominate both qual and the race. I knew I had a good race setup, so 2nd on the grid was fine. I hung on grimly to Mo over the first half, although he slowly inched away so that by the time of the pitstops he was several seconds ahead and I had a nice gap to those behind. I thought I'd try a slightly early stop, but my request fell on deaf ears and I went round again. This time I was called in and the first part went well. I didn't bother turning off the ignition as I didn't need fuel, but the stupid pitcrew insisted I had some and waited for me to turn it off >:( I had set up a 0-stop strategy but presumably I should have set stop 1 to min fuel - I'll have to remember that. Anyway, the lost time meant that when Mo pitted the following lap he was much quicker and the gap went from about 5 secs to 15  ::) It also meant that Dan pulled a sneaky fast stop and jumped ahead, although it would soon be apparent how he did it. I quickly closed in behind him and he was clearly struggling in the corners but very quick in a straight line. I had numerous looks down the inside into the slow corners but backed out each time. Then I got a good run as he had a mid corner wobble, took the inside line and then felt Dan bounce off my door and he half spun off. I hope you are OK with this Dan, if not then send me a pm (I assume you didn't change tyres btw?). By this time SBG was closing in, but with a clear track I started to stretch the gap and this is how it was to the end (Mo was long gone by then). Nice to see a Kerbie 1-2-3 although not sure if Mo [IRL] has set up an Irish splinter group  ;)  Congrats to him and to JR on the wins and thanks to all the lappers, who were very polite.

Don't think you need to set a strategy at all in the garage Paul. You simply need to make sure you ask for less than you have left. Certainly this is what I do in the Z3M. I had say 53 litres left and so I asked for 52L (or less) and they just change my tyres.

Here is the nice side by side action me and FreQ had ;D

YOUTUBE (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=FoM37RX_gy0)

I just assumed Simon that setting '0 stops' in the strategy would give me no fuel if I did stop. I stopped and just hit enter without looking. In fact, the strategy for stop 1 was used when I did, even though when you have 0 stops selected it doesn't show you the amount of fuel, so I got the tanks topped up to 17.2 gallons at half distance when I could do the whole race on about 25  >:( I won't make that mistake again!

I hope you know him well enough to say it, even if did it.  :-*

TT

Learnt that lesson in the first season of endurance ;) So I usually set 3 stops of 1L of fuel in case I have to make an unscheduled visit. However, one thing I've only just learnt is if you change the strategy at a stop the subsequent ones seem to follow that rather than what you have set in the garage  :-\

It's an inside joke over Team Speak. FreQ keeps saying how he likes my a$$, so I keep asking him if he wants to touch or kiss it :P. Ever since he joined the dark side, we are enemies ;)

What's the difference between setting up 1 stop with 1L of fuel, or 0 stops, except that you get 1L of fuel of course? Can't you change the fuel when entering pit either way?

Beats me. I rarely bother setting any strategy in the pits. I just adjust it from in race calculations worked out in my head whilst racing.

There is a big difference apparently. 1 stop with 1L means that when you stop it will fill to 1L, which in almost every case means no extra fuel. 0 stops means that you intend to do no stops, but if you do you will be given whatever the value is set to for the first stop, which because you have chosen 0 stops is hidden from you. In my case that value was 17.2 gallons!

Yes, you can change it in the pits, but it takes time and races are won and lost over such margins so I try to rely on the strategy and just whack the enter key as soon as the board appears.

I'm surprised that Simon 'Pit King' Gymer doesn't do the same. I still haven't forgotten Anderstorp  ;)

Now i see, so if I intend to do one stop I should set that in the settings, because I would get fuel anyway.

But come to think of it, I remember when I set 1 stop with whatever fuel amount I need to turn off the engine before they do anything. But if I set 0 stops, and do my stop anyway, they don't fill at all, and I can keep my engine running.

LOL, sorry I missed off the end of my sentance...

It certainly does no harm to set a strategy.


If it thinks you need fuel then you need to turn off the ignition. That can happen if you have '0 stops' selected if the value in the 1st stop field is larger than your current fuel load.

That cleared it up, thanks.

Shake that ass ;D
Yea, it's pretty obvious where I cocked up. I looked behind me before turning in and couldn't see Jeff at all, so thought he was up the inside and jumped left to give him space.....but he was behind!  :wacko:

Ah well, was great to be so close for 7 corners. I was getting all nervous being so close to that shiney SEAT bottom and finally got to touch it  :wub: :tt1:  Jeff pretends he doesn't like the attention, but he loves a big-red-metal-thing prodding his big ass  :laugh: :laugh:

This is pretty much our team speak banter. Come back Jon! I'ts only half as disgusting without you! ;D :laugh:

haha great vid.....although worried (and jealous haha) of the incest like tendencies of Team Shark!!!!!.... great driving the two of you!  ;D 8)

Believe you me, listening to those two on TeamSpeak is very disturbing. We've offered to get them a room, but they seem to prefer to perform in public. :(

In my view setting 1 pitstop to take 1 l of fuel (and then take none as you already have 1 l inside the tank) isn't abiding the rule to take on at least 1 l of fuel.  The crew acts like you made no demand for fuel and you obviously don't lose even that few seconds.  :dots:

Moderators, please respond!  :)

TT

I am afraid you are wrong TT. You must either take atleast 1L of fuel, or change tyres. Or of course both, but you have to do atleast one of those 2 things. If you only need tyres, you don't need to add 1L.

I think the "or" needed to be highlighted in this one ;D

We can take 20 or 30kg for next event FreQ. As long as we both take the same we should still be close together  :wetfish:

Fair enough.  :)  But you could take niether, right? If you just stop, don't change the tyres and "take" 1 l of fuel (none really).  ???
I'm a bit slow, you have to tell me everything - please do.  ;D

TT

Aah well, just to confuse things further, according to the endurance standings page:

"Events will begin with a rolling start and last 80 minutes. Each car must stop at least once for either tyres or fuel (or both); there is no minimum amount of fuel which must be taken during the stop."

So one or other is wrong- either you can stop for fuel and take none (effectively come to a stop and immediately leave), or you have to receive a min. of 1 litre over and above what's already in the car.  I wouldn't like to guess which is correct ???

Pancakces on a bike ::) there is no minimum but obviously taking zero fuel is not stopping for fuel. It's not haddocking rocket science! :no:

The way it would be checked is that in the replay, if tyres are changed you can see it get jacked up and dropped again; if fuel is taken the engine stops of a few seconds. If you stop, kill the engine and then immediately restart it we'll know you're cheating and you will be penalised.

How do you lot manage to work video recorders, that's what I want to know!

What's a video recorder? ;) :P
(Sky+ weener here!)

Well, the wording's changed since last season so you can't blame people for double-checking! ::) :P :-* :D

Yeah, and I can't just stop looking for ways to blame others that I'm so slow! Yea, on track as well.   ;)

TT