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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (27 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Silverstone 88

Cars allowed: All.
Time of Day Setting: 12:00
Start: STANDING

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0).
(3) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.6 and UKGTL Track Pack (v1.00) which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).

Should say big thanks to Bob and the skins mods, mainly Morten in this case, for putting the pack together ;D. Ta and much appreciated.

Links to track and 1.6 pack will be with you shortly but if you want to try track in meantime, its the version available from no-grip.

Ian, you might want to change the title of the thread as it says UKGTRL.

Just trying to be inclusive ;) . Ta Paul.

and won't it be L5?

Did I miss something here? What happened to the proposed GTL endurance race at Spa on 21 February.

TC

Cos of 'LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR' day yesterday...where everyone one was out for a meal...or grovelling at their wives feet, We have moved the test race for the skins to this date and the Spa enduro will be on the following thursday.

 ;D

I'm out of the loop here. Is that enduro race going to be part of season 5, or is that a race on it's own?

Quote from Ginster in Endurance thread "If all goes well in test race, it will form part of a seperate Enduro championship, not fun runs but seperate from S5. Therefore it will not penalise those who don't want to take part in longer races but do race every Thursday. That appears a fair compromise."

I'm awaiting VM to change my connection to another server - they accepted the performance of my current server is well below the min acceptable level  :taz:- ought to be done by then.  :surrender: :helpsmilie:

We're off to "Execater" on a coach trip to see the Ice Show matinee, hope to be home in time unless the coach stops on the way home for a feed stop, then who knows?  :drool: Hope to be there with a decent connection - 3rd time lucky?.  :thumbup2:

Bill

Anyone know if Coyote is going to be there? Haven't seen him since Watkins.

I'll be in for the usual 40 minutes before work :/

Can't we have two cups in season 5, like it was in season 2. We can have a classic cup with 40 minute races, and enduro cup with longer races. And we can even have an overall cup, with results from previous two added together.
Reminds me a bit pf alpine skiing. You have downhill, super g, gs, slalom and combined. They're all separate cups, but the results from all of them count towards an overall cup, which is actually the most valued one.
So you can have specialists for shorter races, and those for longer races. And the most valued would be the overall cup.
Just an idea.

The only problem with that is an Enduro race is alot harder to attend for some people, as it's a larger chunk of free time that must be scheduled and dedicated :/

That's why it's a completely separate cup for those that want/can attend. You still get the regular classic cup, like in the previous two seasons. Also, you don't have to have the same number of races in both cups. You can have 10 races in classics cup and say5 in enduro cup.

Is this the Silverstone GP track from the Silverstone v 5.0 pack in Downloads?

TC

No. I think it's the track called Silverstone 1988 which you can download from Nogrip.

A new skin pack and a track pack including All the new tracks for S5 will be published and available from the downloads page from tomorrow. ;D

Link to new skin and track pack now added to original post  :) You will need both for Thursday.

Should have mentioned previously that the fuel calculations are not right for this track. You may want to do some research ;)

wont be able to make this one unfortunately.  :(

House move went all smoothly and sweet at end of last week but the telecomms numpties set me up a shiny new account only to disconnect the line a few hours later  ::)
I am now waiting upto 2 days for BT to re-connect me and give me a phone number before i can even start my new ISP service through 'Fast' who take a further 5 days to sort via (yes you guessed it) 'BT'   :taz:

Enjoy the race !

I would prefer if we had a track by track option for download, like before, rather than this all-in-one. Also, some kind of a 1.5->1.6 incremental patch for skins would be nice. All this cause, for example I'm on a limited monthly bandwidth plan with my ISP, and this is a 300+MBs of downloading for skin and track pack.

I understand your plight, all the tracks in the pack can still be downloaded individually from their original source....ie nogrip generally.

The skin pack however is a slightly different story though as not everybody racing or wishing to race in s5 was also in s4, therefore the full pack is needed to ensure full compatability with what's loaded onto the server otherwise we would end up with no end of conection problems etc.

It would be possible to do an additional sub-pack containing just the differences between packs, but unfortunately I also have to find time to work occasionally too...... ;)

Having said that, all the new skins that have been added to the new pack can be found individually in this thread: https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=55.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=55.0)

you could download them and do manual installs etc....but I cannot offer any guarantees as to compatability with the server.

Did any new car types make it into the skinpack ?

The TR4 mod was tested by me quite extensively and i had no troubles with it in anything i tried. (as reported on here quite a while back) I think someone else here did some tests with the 250GTO, though not sure how much. The Corolla also worked fine in everything i tried. I would really like to see some new cars used in our races, as im sure others would also.

why not throw one or two of the mods into a fun race so we can very quickly evaluate their calibre for our sim racing? ie an all TR4 race etc

Aw go on, at least give us a clue!!!  Are we gonna finish with 2/3 of a tank or run out at half distance?   ;D

Within the confines of the new skin pack.....you will also find that a Fezza 250gt appears as if by magic ;D

First one back here with the right answer wins a prize :angel: [In truth I've forgotten  ;D].

can i register for this? looks great  ;D

no registration needed.....just like the Queens cars ;D

There will be no mismatches if people download tracks individually? If not, we could always add link to single track in announcement post :)

If somebody is intelligent enough to install the track properly they can find it easily enough. THe problem we've had is that a lot of folks try and install the tracks themselves and get it wrong - no, I don't know how either! - so the installers have been created to protect people from themselves and us from them. :P

Oh yes, this is the real Silverstone.  ;D  Just had a quick run in a 65 Corvette, and boy that was just so much fun.  No fiddly bits, just huge long corners where you can hold massive opposite-lock powerslides.  Maybe not the quickest way round, but if I needed reminding, this is why I love GTL.

Did high 1:43s.  Anyone else up for some GTC65 goodness?

I was also gonna take a Vette, either the '69 or the '65 ;D

If I'm in this I'll be driving the Team Prodigy '74 'Vette. :o

eeeek...you wont be in for long then tibs..... :P ;D

I was thinking of taking a Drake Racing 69 Vette. Lots of vettes  ;D.

would be welcome....considering all the 'sick animals' we get racing usually  ;D :D :laugh:

Prolly gonna pinch somebody's Falcon :) Can server be set to open/all car choice so I can have some online pracci with it tomorrow please.

Dunno what to take, this track should be good for speed - the Pant-Tearer, Vette, Cobra, and maybe the GT350...or might just take the 911 :laugh:
Anyone done any good laps here yet?
What times are you getting and in which automobile?

I'm down to 1.36.340 in the Capri, Don't know if this is any good though.

Why is the server running the Zolder track :-\

Because I didn't have the correct track installed ;D

Not the Cobra, I haven't finished it...

I missed my braking point for t1 and crashed out on lap14  :-\.
Now, there's a problem with my Corvettes, probably because they have the same number. First I tried a few practice laps offline just before the race in 69 vette. Then I went to watch the replay, and I saw the 64 vette in there. Then when I joined the server, on the outside I had the 69 vette, but under the hood was the 64 vette (revving out at 6500 rpms). So I'll have to make a new 69 vette with a different number. Can it be submitted at this point?

 :taz:  B******  :taz:   F******  :taz:   :taz: game crashed with a c\ doc\locals\temp\213b\appcompt.txt  :taz:  fault ??? tried and tried to get back in got into the game loading every one then  :taz: crashed again gave up and did a new install. i shall check the server after the race       :taz:  i was looking forward to that as well  :taz:  suppose thats what tests are for :taz:

I'm sorry I quit folkses, I don't like quitting races but the gap to the car infront was increasing by 5 seconds a lap, and I was pulling out about the same on the car behind and I got bored and starting just spinning where I was being too lazy to hold the slides.

Might have been interesting near the end if I didn't have to stop but the 76ers did, but I couldnt face waiting 40 mins to find out if I would have jumped a place or not :)

I watched some of the action between Jeff and Pablo - that looked fun!

Hope you all enjoyed the e-x-t-e-n-d-e-d  test  ;) :laugh:.....thought i would give you some praccy at the enduro b4 next week.

Having thought that though...It would have been better if I had mapped a button that would allow me to add fuel at my pit stop ::)....got some shiney new tyres but could not get the crew to add any go juice.

Still, it was fun whilst it lasted.....wish I had taken the arbath though. :laugh:

Any faults, etc with the packs etc...let us know on here and we will get them fixed b4 next race.


If its a totally new car we may be struggling a bit to get it in now....but we will most likely be doing a mid season update.

If it's a number issues then it'll probably have to be a completely new car. Anyway, I'll post in the skin forum, and you guys add it at the next opportunity. Also at that time remove no 23 Drake Racing 69 vette.

That was cracking. Had awesome battles with Pablo and Marc. PR was too fast so it was a battle between us three. I waited a few times to continue the battle and afterwards Pablo waited a few times for me :D.
I had to pit with 8 laps to go but forgot to skip tyres, so I had shiney tyres as well. So I improved my qually pace with a 50L tank by over a sec by doing a 1:33.0 ;D.

That '69 Vette is awesome and if the TC76 class is in enduro, guess what I'll be taking. Eventhough it's the worst car for enduro ;D

Thanks for providing that unexpected enduro test Bob ;D and thanks to all those that took part. If everyones pitting etc went without bug/problems then next week can be a championship counting run, no need for another test :)

Gotta say that we will prolly run with just the one class in enduro now, for two reasons. One, its ruddy dangerous to get TC and 76 cars sharing the same track, even when things weren't really racy like tonight. Imagine a fullish grid and the TC boys having their own battles. Secondly, with too much choice, the cars become too separated and and enduro length is far too long too spend on your own. Unless we get a full server it makes sense to keep the 20 or so runners together as much as we can.

Bugger to hear that Ade, let us know if its a problem at this end :'(

Enjoyed your skin Syd, even though I think it might be banned on some of our tracks ;). Surprisingly, given the colour choice, gotta say the Prodigy cars looked very nice :o. Good work all.

And they glow in the dark 8)

hey that was a fun, fun race. Sorry to Mr Drake for the tap In the complex. Hope it didn't unsettle your car. I span so lost sight of where you went. Always a pleasure tussling with Bill, and Picnic you sure could handle that TVR eh?
I thought it was a long race. Hope it gets dark next time  :D
Well done Organisers. Bodes well for an awesome season.

Tried to jump back on the server after the race before everyone left,got to  garage and Wiltshire Tony and Mr Oily where still in there but i just got the two names flashing up on the screen and it only let me in after they had left  ???  any clues.

Sounds good :). At one point I saw Psuedoodoo's nametag but I could hardly see his Mini ;D. His white/grey skinny thing was hardly visible on the tarmac :P;D.

I like Stewie on the Prodigy Capri ;D. Stewie rocks! :D.

But even the Prodigy cars were hard to see, as most of the time I saw their green cars on the green ;):D.

Really Tibs, you don't have to go off track if you're being lapped, just stay on track and be predictable :). Also well done on continueing even after so many pitvisits (s/g's?), that shows character to keep going  :thumbup1: .

@ ginsters sponsored

He he, I was a little surprised when I saw a Marlboro Falcon in the bunch at the start. Consider changing teams?  ;D

@ Wiltshire Tony
No problem, it didn't lose me any time. And there were lots of those green monsters.

Victory is mine! Or not.  ;D

Got the G25 through finally last night and decided to test it for the first time, H shift and all. I've never had so much fun poodling around off the pace...i now see what all the fuss is about but boy does it take some retraining of the brain to tell the left foot not to brake!

Do you use the H-shift Jeff?

Hooray.  ;D My connection was upgraded yesterday - pathetic initially but improve during the day.   ::) Had only minor short term lag on a couple of occasions and one "killer" luckily very short severe lag near the end but it went away and all was well.  :clown:

Nice to be back folks.  :D Screwed up the start and was swamped - had an off in the braking area for Stowe on lap 1.  :taz: After that I think I was last and started my drive back through the field.  Had a number of battles not good remembering names more the car involved.  Had a long battles with an old style corvette and a green 906.  :fencing:

Finished 6th I think, which was very pleasing.  :thumbup2:

Bill

I'd broken the steering so i had trouble keeping on the track. :-[ I didn't finish either, I'd just broken the steering again and been given three stop/go penalties in a row so I gave up. :-[

That was a mixed bag, I struggled with the driving but it was a really good practice for the enduro.  Did 2 pitstops, all went well, learnt a bit about how the stops work, took only tyres in the first, then fuel and tyres in the second, just what I wanted, practiced quick entry and got no stop/go.   :)

Like Baracus I ended up in no mans land a bit, at the start he stayed with me due to my wayward driving, then I slowly dialed into the track and got a little quicker (vette and 250 GT was never fair!) and ended up in a big void with no-one to race.  Did have a fun dice with Bill's recovering 906 I think, but obviously he was quicker than my fishtailing Vette.   :D

Finally after about 20 minutes started getting apexes a bit better - on those long corners I was really struggling to find the right brake and apex points, but finally managed a few sub 41s, which was better.  I retired after setting my fastest race lap straight after the second stop, hadn't really bargained on a 60-minute race.   ;)

Hope the track turns up again in the season, with a more equal field, that big wide tarmac should make for very good racing.

Some good skins out there too, nice work guys.   8)

ooh, did someone mention the 250GTO had made into the racing mix ? Cool  8)
...any others?  TR4? Corolla? Gordini?

How does the GTO fit in with other car classes/makes pace-wise? And is it the version 2? patched mod ?

Only the GTO for this pack I'm afraid. still trying to assess exactly where it fits with the others....but we could always use it for a single make race ;)..and yes, it is the patched V2 mod.

i expect the Tr4's would make for a good single class race too, and/or fit in with the Elans etc  8)

But thanks alot for introducing the GTO into the racing gents  :thumbup1:

Yes it was fun, problem with these yank tanks is the track width they take up.  When you have better handling car you have to go inside on the corners and you lose sight of the other car (good job they're noisy) and then it is difficult trying to get back on line for the next corner without an incident.


Some of the shorter "bike" tracks are very narrow the yank tank virtually covers the whole corner sideways on making it a difficult decision where to try and overtake - in my case usually being too ambitious on braking.

Bill

GTO?  I hardly think so!  It's the GT SWB, c'mon, get it right.   ;D

I'm sure Bara can give a better description of where it should fit, but it has roughly the weight and power of the 275 GTB, and the kind of pace he was running (taking into account his ability  ;)) looked like it is similar to the 275, so in the middle of GTC65,  bit slower than e-type, faster than healey?

Must find the time to try it out properly, it really is a handsome beast.

We have done a bit of research and it seemed around the same pace as Healey/Alpine at Porto where it will be used. Any extra info from you chaps would be gratefully recieved :)

And I agree, it sure is pretty.

I see the results have not been published yet, is there a problem?

There was, and now there isn't. ;)

Thank you :)

Now I've seen the results and another look at your Avatar I see who was driving the green 906.  ;D  Yes it was fun particularly as it was in the closing stages.  :thumbup2: You were faster than me but I managed to keep on the blackstuff more - with one eye in the mirror I was able to watch your discoing.  :angel-wings:

Bill

No, sequential. For two reasons, the H-pattern feels like it's gonna break soon :P, and the pedals of the G25 are not suited for heal/toe (manual clutch) :).

And I ain't gonna use flippers for these old cars as that's just wrong :D.

I agree completely with your pace estimate.  Around Donny National I was a little quicker (about 0.6s) than Healey/Alpine/Merc, but about the same slower than the 275 GTB.  On a street track like Porto the heavier 250 will be similar to the Healey and Alpine.

And what a revelation it is to drive now (compared to an earlier one I tried), exactly like I'd imagine.  Sweet handling, nice balance and with just the right amount of waywardness in the live rear axle I'd expect - very noticeable round the long bumpy right hander onto the straight at Donnington.  I will SO be driving this in S5 when it's available.

Brakes are fairly awful, but it's an old car!