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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (30 laps = ~80 mins)

Track: Spa Francorchamps
Cars allowed: Any 76, plus the GT-40.
Time of Day Setting: 17:00
Start: STANDING
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

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Woohoo ;D.

I guess this is the standard Spa that is in the game?

I'll take the fuelslurping, tyre-eating Vette, eventhough it really sucks here ;D

You guess right. Wasn't exactly sure what season standard tracks were taken from. Is it 2004?

I'll be able to show up for 40 mins of the race, work will make me miss the last half :(

The GTL one is the 2004 layout with the revised entry to the Bus Stop.

I dont see how 42 laps of Spa in these cars equates to 80 minutes (even for Jeff). It's got to be nearer to 2 hours. Also have the TVR, Cobra etc in your previous post now been replaced by the 76 cars. Just checking - these things seem to keep changing every couple of days (will we do 80 laps or 80 minutes? - and will we only find out on the day,lol)

TC

You're right, even a GT1 car can't do it that fast :). It's more like 30 laps for these cars I think.

Maths not my strongest point, at 2.35-6 ish a lap for the fastest, its should be 30 including pit. Ta.

What daylight setting will the server be set to? Just so my offline practising can be as accurate as possible?

5 pm, like it says in announcement  ;) Will change pracci server to that asap. Should see the sun setting on our way around which is nice.

No, I mean in the realism settings, Is it going to be realtime, 2x, 10x ?

I'd like to see someone manage 35s for 30 laps!!  Think the pace may be a few seconds slower than that - 35/36s are hotlaps from aliens in a Pantera, imagine doing that for 80 mins.   :o

But 30 laps does equal 2:40 pace, so that's reasonable.

If I take a Beemer it'll be nearer 50s!

Should look nice with a low sun, hope it doesn't blind us into any corners.   ;)

35's would be amazing ;D. That would make Jon 4sec off pace, and I've never seen that :D. Or we must invite Huttu, as he can "only" do a 35 in the  Pantera :D

looks good.

... only hope my Internet connection will last longer than the 1,5 laps @ Silverstone last time  :-\

ok...endurance......wonder what the dictionary says about that word?.........everyone has asked for endurance....this thread seems to be a bit of a complaint coz the race might run too long... :-\ :laugh:

Oh...here it is...just found it.


put up with 80 laps.....ooops 80 mins, or as close as we can arrange it.....or stick to :D ;D ;D wimpey sprints

There's no complaint that the race might run too long - but it would be nice to know in advance how long it is going to run. Some of us like to plan a race and work out the best time to pit - that's difficult to do if you don't know whether the race is 42 laps, 30 laps, 80 laps or 80 minutes.

TC

Nobody is complaining Psuedo, please direct me to a post which complains  ???. There are only posts which direct to mistakes in the opening post. That's called helping, which I'm sure the dictionary also has a description of  :P

sorry folks.....just ignore me....had a bad day ::)

I believe its sorted now. I'll be doing 30 laps at 2.35 pace ;) You chaps will be doing 80 mins which is going to be the length of all enduro events. We've based number of laps on either GTL rank info or our own times so please let us know if its wrong, or my maths suck.

Prolly GT40 for me. Hope we get a varied grid with everyone taking part with their fave  :)

906 for me...  ;D

anyone?

911 for me. I would have considered Corvette, but I want to finish  ;D.

Realtime for this one Tony. If future events are different, a possibility, it will be in announcement  :)

I can only do 2:41 with the Vette, and it's a handfull here  :-[

Ok, thank you.

Have you a setup I can borrow JR? :) The GT40 is fun around here as well.

Yes, but it's still in development :P. Only did 5 laps or so, but I think I can upload it today or tomorrow :).

911 or GT40 for me - anyone got any good Spa set-ups for either?
Don't think i'll have time to sort a decent one now before thursday... ???

GT40 or 911 for me too. The GT40 is sooo sexy around spa  :-* but alas i just dont think its competitive enough to compete with the 76 cars. :'( They are way better under braking and more nimble through the twistier sector 2/3.

Times so far for me are 2:50's for the GT40  :-[
2:42 for the 911....bit of a difference !  though i am still getting used to the GT, only having used it twice before in anger.

lets hope my frigging internets up and running by thursday :-X

Nice one Mark  8)

Come on, it's MJ, we all know what he'll be driving. ;)

hehe, got to say after jumping back in the 911 it also feels mighty fine and nostalgic around spa  8)

though i feel a bit of a birk sitting here in my flares and kipper tie with my aviator shades on  ;)....pass me another Cinzano m'darling  ;D

edit: Huzzah !!...i am back online with my new ISP 'Fast'...how ironic  :-[ ;D ...ooh, the temptation to have an email address of mjonzo_is_fast.co.uk   :)

I've done 10 laps in GT40 and I'm hooked  ;D. Nailed rouge once and it was bliss. Hope a few take it as its gonna be left behind by most of the 76 chaps, best of late 47 so far with it.

So no need for that Vette setup :)

Post it if you have time and I'll still give it a whirl :) Found the Vette a little less exciting than the GT, especially under braking, but I suspect thats partly my setup and lack of skills.   

You should still get some good racing with 47s/48s!  I tried the big block Vette last night and couldn't do better than 45s - factor in silly tyre wear and much longer pitstops for a supertanker full of fuel and the GT40 may be close.  I really don't know how to setup the Vette.   ???  How Jeff drives those things consistently I'll never know.  But for fun I may take one or other Vette.  Be interested to see your setup Jeff.

Also tried the Alpina CSL and only got 48s with that.  But at least I didn't lose it under braking like I did the Vette.   :P

think i'm just gonna get the sissy 914 . It's a long drive and i want to get to the finish

914?!? :o

i wouldnt mind trying your GT40 setup ginsters if your doing 2:47's in it ! Best i could manage was a 2:51 so far and 2 out of 5 drives through eau rouge ended with a sloppy fish tail into the armco  :(

At the moment its still the sexy 911 for me  8)

I just hope we get a good grid turnout

...and that people last the distance.

Remember folks, it's worth repairing accident damage and carrying on in an enduro.   ;)

Lets hope we see the 25 or so who voted for it ;)


Yep no worries Mark, will upload it in to online GTL Spa file as SBG GT40 when I get home (done now). I may be telling you how to suck eggs, but I've found the best way to get it to turn in is to ride the brakes deep into corner and get on power asap. Its an understeery mess when your not braking or accelerating hard. Hairy, but big fun and 2 outta 5 isn't bad  :)

I think Ade is taking the 914 as well so you'll not be lonely mooij. I'll be excited if we see a wide range of cars on the grid and hope everyone takes their fave, fast or not   :)

= Little orange begin seventies mid-engined Porsche developed in cooperation with Volkswagen.
Looks a bit like a flattened mini-van.

I know what it is, I'm just amazed someone's going to be driving it!

But Tibs, It's faster than the BMW and the Escort and also corners pretty well. May be a smart move..............

I've decided to also take the GT-40, in my/Dan's Gulf liveried GT40 (didn't do a skin for it  ::) ), the car feels alive here! Amazing fun with a nasty bite of yo ass waiting for you!!  :D , Incredibly I too am doing low 47's  here SBG and as I cannot really compete in the GTL championship 'cos of shifts  :'( its the car I'm taking.  ;D

I'm just not sure, as I don't really drive fast in any car. Would like to try one of the cars best suited for the track, but don't know which that is yet.

might have missed the post with my snail mail i was lumbered with last week, but are there points to be had for this enduro series? If so, what are they?
Hope so, its more incentive to finish, and maybe a bonus point(s) should be scored for just 'actually finishing' the race to give some a reason to plod on until the end, rather than quit at 2/3rds distance etc. Its also a just reward for enduring the endurance length  :)

Just worried that if you tout this too much as a fun race then people will drop out too easily or not bother attending  :-\

will give that ginsters GT40 setup a try, cheers mate.  :angel:
...might have to wash the seats first before i slide my Legends derrier into your car  ;)

Forgot to say, tried an offline race with a 30car grid at your 5pm race setting and it looked fantastic  8)

Here is my Vette setup for Spa, best lap so far 2:41.2 .

http://files.filefront.com/Vette+69+JRsvm/;9708795;/fileinfo.html

If it still understeers too much, soften front bump to 1 and increase rear rebound. This is something I might do, but not tested yet it that will work :).

I had forgotten how much I love this car, can't wait for the race!
Got my time down to high 45's (scary as F***)  :laugh:

Ta JR will try that  :) Crikey Madd thats flying, you should ask for his setup MJ ;) Shame you can't make all the races Madd but I hope there are some fun choices for those that you can. I'll be in the fun cars as well.


Its no fun race.   Enduro Championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=178;theme=5)

I'll only be able to make every third race 'cos I'm on mornings that week (looks like I'll be missing Dijon then  :'( ), but yes its going to be the fun cars from now on (but still try for points of course  ;) ), as for my lap time it remains to be seen whether I can repeat it!!  :laugh: , I'll do some more praccy tomorrow and try to replicate it.

i tried your setup briefly ginsters, but alas i think i would need a fair bit of time with the GT40 to be as competitive by thursday, so think i'll stick to my fave car.

As an aside, another track you might want to use as an endurance round is the Paul Ricard 75 track (long). Tried it out tonight offline and its a superb power track for the 76 class, maybe even GT65.  8)

Lol, I think everybody already knew, except you ;)  ;D

not sure I'll make this, but if I do it'll be in the Pantera- it's so much fun to drive ;D

I'm only taking the Porsche 914 coz it looks like the little fella doesn't get out much  :( . nobody's even given him a paint job, poor thing.

I'm kind of sad I'll never be able to fully participate in the Enduro events, I'll just be able to race for the first half of them :(

Not so Jeff, i had every intention of racing the 65 vette and had done all my praccy with it until belatedly it was announced as a 76 event. Then i wanted to use the GT40, but having only ever raced it twice before, it was too much of a learning curve combined with lack of any praccy time before thursday to get competitive in it and also dont want to race either on my own or against just a couple of other GT40s in an 80min enduro.
But of course, to me, it dont get that much more nostalgic for me to race a 70's Porsche 911 around the legendary Spa track  8)
Bizzarely, i dont think ive ever used it around Spa in a online race before  ??? Certainly not since the early days of GTL anyway, and i've never done a GTL enduro full stop !

What's the word on the white line at the pit exit? I think it shouldn't be crossed  neither by those coming out of rouge nor those exiting the pits. I'm asking because I just watched the replay of the fastest 911 lap posted on nogrip, and that guy stayed all the way on the right after eau rouge. With everybody slated for at least one pitstop, that kind of driving could lead to some high speed crashes with folks exiting pits.

think theres no rule against using all the track up there  :-\ gravity kinda dictates that your car naturally moves over to the right on the exit anyway !
Im pretty sure if you saw a car coming up the pitlane exit you could take the necessary avoiding measures in time

I see what you mean, but avoiding that line through rouge would be incredibly slow and ruin that corner. It would also be nigh on impossible to take another line in the GT40 or any other mishandling brute. So there won't be any special ruling here.

However, the point you make is very valid. The pit lane exit is dangerous so lets all be aware, especially on exit. Its also quite easy to spot tags as you come through rouge so those coming up to exit can also be considerate. By careful driving, or just plain good luck, previous GTR Enduro's (where no special rulings were used) have passed without incident at Spa. Lets make sure this one does as well     :)

Whilst we're highlighting possible danger areas, can I please ask for great care off start and 1st run through rouge. Remember its 30 laps and impulsiveness here will make you very unpopular  ;)

That said, keep standards the same as end of S4 and all will be happy.

perhaps we should have a 'keep station' policy for first run through eau rouge ? Lets face it we've seen countless Lap1 incidents through there that can instantly knock out upto 5 cars before the race has even begun  :(

Could allow overtakes off the line but state that wherever you are at entry to eau rouge, you stay there until clear at the top ?
Dont mind either way just would like to see a full field make it through lap 1 !!

However well meaning, please don't suggest rule changes at this late moment. It will only confuse. Standard start UKGTL procedure will apply.

As I said, any silly moves at start will be heavily frowned upon and, deservedly, punished. Lets make it a good one  :)

yeah, because you try to not straddle the RHS kerb (it makes some cars kinda unpredictable) so you can avoid a car exiting the pit lane. But the cars leaving the pits must stay to the right of the line.

watch this vid to see a vintage 911 being driven 'properly' around Spa...the man must have balls of steel using the corrective oversteer through eau rouge and the flat out kink on back straight before bus stop ! Amazing footage 8)
http://www.ccmotorsport.nl/video

click on the Spa Q1 to Q3 options in video list

(by the by for those that are interested, the IROC porkers in P&G handle just like the car in the vid, i wish the GTL version was as lively!)

What exactly does IROC mean? I've heard it before but I haven't got a clue what it means. ???

Must be something Race Of Champions?

International Race Of Champions I believe, only know that because I was looking at buying an IROC-Z not that long ago.

No i think you'll find it means  :punk:

LOL

Yeah its the international race of champions pioneered in the 70's at tracks like Riverside and Daytona. Basically a one make series to determine who indeed was the fastest race driver using exactly the same spec car, ie a 911, pontiacs etc. For the porkers in particular they used to send out North Americas Porsche factory driver Mark Donohue in every single 911 to prove they were the same spec and speed before the race so that no 'champion' could claim another car was quicker. :P
Now wouldnt that make a great online race series! All you aliens in identikit cars with no setup tweaks allowed.

edit:-Further info here:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Race_of_Champions

All you aliens in identikit cars with no setup tweaks allowed

Yeah! DO IT, DO IT ;D

When I raced at V8Thunder's Lites division using NR2003 (NASCAR) we usen identical setups (fixed setup).

What I miss in these race sims, is that we don't have to be machanics engineers as well. Should be able to get a "ready" car, test it, and maybe go through a form to tell the AI mechanics what the car feels like, and they would make some changes, and we'd do the same again.

I raced with P4 mod for NR2k3. We too used a fixed setup. Interesting feature. I'd guess the fastest drivers now would still be the fastest.

ah balls, just realised i missed out on a skinpack update when i moved house  :(  desperately downloading now but not sure if its going to upload before race and im gonna miss all qually  :'(

190 freaking megs nnooooo !!

BEEP..BEEP..BEEP....BEEEP ( al lot of bad words i don't want to repeat)  >:(

Jumped from the garage to the starting grid and had no steering , no gas, no nothing....
so sorry for who was right behind me but I just couldn't get out of the way.

This was the first time my steering device had a problem and I hope it was also the last time.

Up to the next race :'(

Gutted as well. Crazy slowspeed slip into corner, slowly into barrier and engine gone, tank like car my arse ??? Really, really enjoying battle with Madd as well.

god - stuck in traffic on way home and missed it :'(
Note to self - 'no more overtime on thursdays'

Hope you all have a good one guys  :P

Run out of fuel 20 yards from my pit space!...now thats annoying.

Sorry but this is my last venture into the world of GTL. I really have no feel for the cars and when the pit board randomly appears it's the last straw. Fortunately my ADSL reset so I got chucked out and didn't have to endure that to the end.

If you can really set a racing BMW up for liftoff understeer and liftoff oversteer I'd be amazed but unless I changed down too many gears to lock the back wheels that all I had  :-\

Grumpy old Picnic over and out

Had a great race, at least the first 10 laps. Was very steady in 12th. Then I touched the wall in the last right-hander, which f**ked up my steering, so I had to pit. Waited until lap 12, then pitted, got a stop and go penalty because I was speeding in pit. On my way around to server the penalty I wasn't prepared for Madd-RIP I think that was braking a bit early for my taste and I went trough the sand and into the barrier.

Went to serve the penalty, then next lap I repaired the damage, finally I though I was going to enjoy this again, but half a lap later I was let by by Tibs, and missed my braking one turn earlier than the second barrier kiss. Enough is enough, and my cat was getting pretty mad as she was determined she wanted out.

Still looking forward to the next endo, this was great.

Sorry to bail, but I really wasn't enjoying it.  None of the 76 cars really do anything for me and the Corvette in an endurance race was a terrible mistake, lost the will to live after 10 laps.   :-[

Stress of having to reinstall GTL at 8:15 as another game I installed appears to have corrupted every other game on my PC wasn't a great start, and a totally stationary Syd on the startline that I ran straight into wasn't brilliant either.   :(

The around lap 14 I ran into the back of Michael Cooper, sorry, you must have had damage, your car was so slow into the corner, I was braking normally.  And then poor Jeff hit my car as it rolled to the edge of the track.  A mess.  Hope the damage to your Vette wasn't bad.

Just couldn't be bothered after that.  Shame I'm gonna miss the TC65 enduro, the 65 cars are far more fun for a long race, just dont get on with 76ers.  But that ain't no criticism of the idea of the enduro, it's a fantastic idea with the right cars (for me!!).

Mostly enjoyable whilst my engine lasted.....lap 16, went wide at ascari and ever so slightly kissed the barrier....but enough to send we into a few 360's and then the engine quit.

Not too happy about being knocked off track on lap 1 though....from 6th to 19th....any chance of a good race up the sharp end ruined, so it was catch up time....made it back up to 11th when the above happened and was driving pretty consistently up till then. ahhhhh well....there's always the next one.

Grats to all finishers, the podium and winner......and thanks to all that turned up for our first GTL Enduro....great to see so many of you and in a wide variety of cars. :punk: :thumbup2:

I've always hated Spa, no matter which game I've played it in.

I hope whatever physchopath that designed the track is burning in hell!

My race was over in about 10 seconds from the green, as I was standing on my splitter for a few seconds. Mooj stalled 2 cars in front of me, so I had to watch not to hit the people avoiding him, and as I was doing that there was a 906 not moving right in front of me, swirved to miss him - cut someone off, and almost ended up doing a sommersault. Car felt ok after that, so a pit wasn't needed.

For about 4 or so laps I felt pretty lonely nothing in front or behind me for quite a few seconds. Finnaly caught up to Ade and Picnic battling it out for 17th. Passed Ade in that Orange 914, but then lost it because of the un-curable Understeer this horrible track produces. Caught back up to them again, this time passing Picnic. Picnic lost it going into the hairpin before the home straight, and it was down to me and Ade, the power of the BMW was making gains on the VW untill the uphill chicane where I lost grip going over the hill and smoked the left barrier causing me to do a few flips into the air.

That was the end of my race. Unfortunatley I couldn't stay till the end either, or i would have repaired the damage.

Even tho I hate Spa with a passion, I can't miss my weekly GTL fix! Till next week in the Alfa!

Lol...yep it is a big pack......its all them prodigy cars lol....oh yes...and the fact that it contains the addon Fezza 250 too. :)

a tale of woe here too tonight  :(

Missed all of praccy and most of qually bar last 7 or so mins. Managed one flying lap and ready to blitz a final one until an over aggressive driver rammed me off at eau rouge in full flight leaving me no time for another lap  >:(
Qualied a measly 12th, 4 seconds off my normal qually time  :(
This put me back into a mixed midfield and i lost tons of time dicing with a couple of GT40s and other traffic, having to be very patient through the twisties after getting gazumped on the straights by the bigger engined cars then having to sit behind their bad handling asses through the infield. :P
Had a contact with Syd Drake, followed by a whack up my butt to put me on the grass too, so apology to Syd, no harm intended. :-[
Then had a pretty good spell of about 40 mins dicing with Dave G, Syd and Steve H along the way, including having to almost hand brake the car at La source to avoid broadsiding Daves spinning capri across my bows!  :o
Around the 40min mark i suffered about 3 seperate spins under braking that cost me about 15-20 seconds a time  :(...think i was getting hot and tired at that point!

Soon i had fought my way upto 7th for about the 3rd time of the evening, and this steadily rose to 4th whilst others pitted and i was able to keep going on my full tank.
...Then it all went pear shaped big time....pitstop time  ::). I pulled into the pits all sensibly, no errors, tried to select 'dont repair' found my bloody +/- value key was not responding...Noooo ! >:( not only that it meant i couldnt put any fuel in the car :taz:  i was flipping livid but kept my composure, left pits, did one lap on fumes, litterally coasted into my pitbox but exact same thing...no up or down  :'( I had no choice but to retire. Would have finished 6th or 7th as thats where i still was when i exited the pits.
Bloody annoyed ! god knows why the stupid game had reset my +/- key to nada.

Was loving the enduro atmos upto that point. Cars looked great and the sun setting was superb. Well done to the winnners.
I need a beer  ::)

I love the 76 cars, not so much the TC-65 cars. I also liked the track, espesially the fact that it was so long, so I didn't have to worry about lapping cars all the time. I think long tracks for endurance is the way to go, and I wasn't alone at any point I think, there was always someone either behind me or in front of me.

Ah, I wondered why you totally failed to move. ::) :laugh:

I nearly didn't do the race as I hate the 76 cars but I wanted to give GTL a proper soak test with my reconfigured PC, using the built-in sound and not my Xi-Fi. That worked a treat but my feelings towards the 76 cars weren't improved as my Capri was trying to spit me off the road at every opportunity. Fortunately I was one of the lucky ones with no stop and gos and a working pit board when I came in for fuel and tyres. Everything else went wrong and after my zillionth off I destroyed the front end of the car, resulting in no lights and horrible understeer.

I only kept going to secure a few extra points for the senior team. That is absolutely the last time I race a '76 car. >:(

The first few laps were very hard with Zacari and Baracus right behind me.
I made a slighty mistake, Zac and Bara overtook me and they went away (great pace guys).
My setup was only good for 3 laps, as i only did stints of 3 laps on quali session, didnt realise that.
Too much front negative camber, after those 3 laps, and i was understeer and beginning to
brake a bit earlier than before.
I had a good fight aswell with Jeff for several laps, very clean dice dude.
Everything normal untill my pit stop  :cursing: after refuell and tire changes, i hit the throtlle
and  :eek: stop and go penalty for speeding in pit lane  :2guns:
why?? Because in GTR, after the stop the pit limiter still on. :yes: but in GTL it doesnt  :hammer:
So i had to do an extra stop in that huge SPA pit lane  :death:
Nevertheless it was a fun race, thank you to all backmarkers, you were very kind  :notworthy:
Congrats to Baracus, great driving mate.
Well done to Zacari and Jeff aswell for the podium.

Cheers

Had to turn down some settings in qually, so had to rejoin qually. Sorry for messing up the result file...isn't the only time tonight ;D.

Had a good start, and I could easy overtake the 906, but that would be dumb heading towards Eau Rouge. So I set back, hoping to overtake at the straight, but I have to take Eau Rouge so slowly that I couldn't make it up at the straight :P.
I was the top 3 drive away in a good looking battle, and I was driving away from the pack behind. Like I predicted looking at the qually times.
But then all of a sudden I was gaining on PR and we had some nice battles for a few laps. Between the Busstop and the last hairpin the Vette was quicker, and I could get alongside. But my brakedistance was litteraly twice as long as his Beamer :lol: . So there was no way for me to outbrake him.
Also between the last hairpin and Eau Rouge I had to coast behind him as getting alongside there was much too dangerous. But also then I lost too much in the chicane.
After my tyres were shot he drove away again and after that I was alone.

Went into the pits halway, used up 90L up to that point ;D, so I went for another 100L :P. But the stop went bad. I rolled towards the pitguy with my engine turned off (not necessary in GTL I noticed :P). And when I stopped there was no clipboard :(. Had to restart the engine, drive backwards, and try again. That cost me a lot of time.

Last 10 laps I was way behind Tinman and he started to scare me if he'd already stopped or not. And the closer we got to the finish, the more I thought he'd already done his stop.

Well pleased to finish 3rd with this Vette. Once because of the bad tyre wear, also the insane fuel usage (180L :P), and the weak engine (-300rpm). Also Spa is terrible for the Vette, the two straights may seem beneficial for that car, but Eau Rouge and Blanchimont are terrible for that car.

Grats Bara, but I already said that before the race when you announced being in the 906  ;D

Also after the finish I jumped Eau Rouge and got DQ'ed, so again I messed up the results...sorry :P.

Not that I noticed, car felt crap at that point anyway. Especially that corner, and all of a sudden your car stopped and I had to tyres or brakes to  stop, so I slid sideways into you. After the race I had to exit via the other side :P.

... and a Test of Endurance it was...

Well, I managed to make all the Rookie mistakes. First I forgot to press the brake at the (downhill) start.. stop/go penalty.
When I rejoined - partly due to the enormous pitcomplex - I was utterly last. So I settled in for some lonely laps and enjoyed the nice sun set in the Ardeness. All went well until I was caught by the big E with a major shunt.. oops.. not good  :P
Managed to finish the laps to my regular 'planned' pitstop and repaired bodykit and suspension.. and a whooping 2,5 minutes later I was on my way again.
After a few laps a warning signal came on.. huh  ??? didn't understand but I pitted anyway (pitstop #3...) and found out that I mixed up the laps/liters figures  :wetfish: but at least I managed to finish the race (four laps down..)

Must say I kinda liked the whole enduro thing. I guess stupid mistakes are part of Enduro racing  :laugh: but I must say that the last laps were quite hard to concentrate (driving with a manual clutch).


Time for a G25, perhaps...  ;)

A bit of a shame that there weren't more GT40's playing but thought I could have a good scrap with SBG and a few of the other 76 drivers.

Got a pb in quali which I was well chuffed with ,then I stuffed up not one minute into the race by locking up and sliding into the gravel  ::) , still, at least I had some scraps along the way!

A notable few were with SBG, Syd and Wiltshire Tony, using the GT40's monstrous straight line speed I could keep the 911 behind for quite some time but made a mistake and Syd got past (oh for downforce!)

I think Tony was a little suprised to see me pull up alongside him on the main stright and even try to outbrake his Pantera!  :D

I just couldn't make it stick though, so had to just drive to the finish, very hard work, but most enjoyable.

Grats to the podium and also to everyone who turned up.

Try pressing ALT-F ingame, that should reset the FFB. When it happens and you can still go safely to the pits: press escape, goto controller and click "reversed effects" twice (thus setting to to previous setting).

The track looked great in these settings  :thumbup1:

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They are wrong as I finished 3rd but I got DQ'ed after the finish as my car was falling through a black hole at Eau Rouge :P.

Very hard race that, not set foot in the Pantera (a.k.a. 'The Pant Eater' - thanks for that one over TS Dave!) for a very long time and getting it around here was a real struggle!

Quali was fine, qualified with race setup so I was more than happy with 3rd.

Race started really well, got my rear end clipped at some point and broke my rear light- not sure if there was any aero damage.  Hard to tell with this car!  Decided to pit half-way despite having the fuel to get past 2/3 distance, and that's where the race went away from me.  Stopped in pit; nothing.  Never pitted in GTL and 22 secs of maneuvering later I got the pit board ::) followed by lots of time for tyres and about 12 seconds for a small amount of fuel (which was still too much, I finished with almost 1/4 tank).

After the pits I was just circling around, wondering if I'd been demoted as far as 3rd becuase of the pit issues.  Ended up 2nd so it wasn't all bad, especially with the Pantera being a real handful I was glad not to have a spin over the 30 laps :)

Grats to Bara for the win, and all the finishers!  Not sure if I'll make any other GTL events but driving the Pantera is always good for a laugh :laugh:

sorry....I will ask someone to sort it out.....its all i can do to actually get them here at all  :laugh:

No worries, teaches me not to do stupid stuff after the finish. I've already been name called at Team Speak for those actions  ;D

Still gutted to miss out on the fun, but be rude not to thank so many of you for turning up :). Congrats to the winners, especially Madd and our kid Ade who performed wonders in the 914 :thumbup2: Good that quite a few different models were out there tonight.

Surprising to hear that quite a few of you (about 50-50 I guess) share my dislike of the 76 cars. It will be interesting to see how the TC65's are received next week. Nothings set in stone for the 4 remaining enduro races so we are taking what you say on board. Hope to see similar numbers, including the unfortunate Bill and Will, then :)



 

Personally I prefer 76 cars to any others.

I also don't fancy the TC76 class, that's why I pick the Vette, as it feels like a GTC65 car  ;D

Actually what I was trying to say is that I like the GTC cars, both 76 and 65. However I'm not very good at driving them. I also like the Abarth and the big heavy Jag, forgot it's name. I can driver the Alfa, but it's not much fun.

Can't wait to see you in the Abarth or Jag MkII next week Morten ;)


Understood :). They will get their fair share of action in S5, which is only right seeing that roughly 50% enjoy them. But they do appear to divide opinion strongly, with the other 50% appearing to hate them. No middle ground. Thats surprised me and its something that we shall take on board.   

I really enjoyed the whole experience. Qualified behind Jeff and had a cunning plan. I'll follow the MASTER around and find out where he's quicker than me.By the end of lap 2 I had my answer - EVERYWHERE. Cunning Plan number 2 was to fill the car up, do 28 laps then pit for 2 gallons (none of those new-fangled litres here,thankyou) no tyres and no repairs. It would have worked a lot better if I hadn't lost 20 seconds in an off at Eau Rouge. Scariest moment? - was in 2nd(a la cunning plan 2) when Dave G lost his Capri in front of me. New underwear required,methinks!.
I really do like the 76 cars.
Check out the Team Oldie Le Mans style finish.

TC

Thanx for the tip , Ruskus.
Hope it will never happen again but then I will give it a shot.

Here is my post-finish stunt  ;D

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Yes I cleared all the tyres, but those hills are very soft as I kept sinking and sinking :P

Had a great race but hard work. Enjoyed all the racing which to the most part was very clean, particularly the start and uphill drag. Very "after you claude"  :)
Lost my qualy position by spinning at Rivage which dropped me a load of places. Spent the remainder of the race making up positions until I finished a very happy 7th (Incident report pending  :() My pitstop was seamless but I had been practising them  ;)
I dont mind driving the 76'ers and am suprised that suddenly there is so many folk stating that there not there favourites. Didn't hear much about this last season when we raced 'em. I would have liked another class present as it would have made the event more interesting/exciting IMHO. Also the dusk was very "realtime". I personally prefer the daylight setting set to 10x as this usualy gives you the feel off driving throught the night. Still these arn't gripes just my personal observations. So pleased that the grid was pretty full and thanks to everyone who made this first GTL enduro a good event. More power to the event organisers.
I'm off to equatorial Borneo for three weeks R & R so see you all in Mexico.

im quite surprised at all the sudden animosity against the 76 cars too  ??? Its my favouite of the 3 classes available in GTL. Whats not to like of a class that includes racing legends like the 911, BDA Escorts, Capri, Pantera etc ?
I guess GT65 is the best supported class because of the sheer range of cars available but they have massive differences in ability and pace.

Great turn out last night, enjoyed the racing.  8) Shame my pitboard ruined my race, can only think that when i tried using manual gears the other day i somehow over-rode the button for +/-  ???..very frustrating when i was 4th at the time and only 9laps remaining.  :'(

I do wonder whether the longer tracks make the racing a bit spread out when only about 20ish of us race, but saying that, i was generally chasing someone or being chased for the majority of laps.

Results fixed.

It's not sudden - I've always hated them. :D :P

The problem with the '76 cars, certainly for me, is that they get you trouble very suddenly and don't give you any chance to recover before you're off the road. The Corvette is probably the exception but it destroys its tyres so quickly after 15 minutes it's no fun. Some of the faster GTC-65's suffer from the same evil handling - the TVR, for example, is especially bad for it.

Cheers Dave.


Tis a tricky one that. The very nature of longer races mean that fields are gonna spread out and race long battles are gonna be rare, the same is true of any GTR2 enduro, its always more of grinding, tactical affair. So does track choice make a huge difference? Only to keep different models even, as Spa did? We would love to use some of the "classic" enduro tracks, e.g. Lemans, but are very wary of the problem you raise.

The 76er's are clearly GTL's marmite class   ;)

Sorry folks, couldn't get a decent connection.  :hammer:  My connection is all over the place still.  :taz:

Here's hopping for next week when hopefully my bedding in period is finished.  ;D

Bill

Just want to add that my 911 had only about 3.6 in wear on GTL PD after 10 laps :o

you werent trying hard enough then  ;)

I suspect its just a combination of a longer race and a difficult track revealing some people's less positive view of the 76 cars.  For shorter races us less expert people can handle them, our inadequacies were exposed more last night!  Some of us need to try harder  :D

Length of track makes no difference to the actually racing, if the next car's 4 seconds up the road that's 4 seconds on a long or a short track.   ;D  Only difference is the amount of lapping that takes place.  So do people think its more atmospheric to see slower cars more often or are they of the opinion it increases the risk?  I'd say don't use anything shorter than a 90s track like Dijon GP but no need for great big long tracks.  I'd certainly prefer a less fiddly track, too tiring to be constantly cornering, and having a nice big straight is good for clearing lappees easily.

I personally have always been a fan of short tracks for this very reason. Everyone moans when I schedule a short track in UKGTR series Endurance but we seem to have enjoyable races on them.

eugh no, 'short' tracks are bloody horrible, especially with the wild handling of most of the GTL cars, it would be incident city with countless lapping/overtaking manouvres. I'm no fan of the mickey mouse circuits.
About the only class a short track would suit is the TC65 class and even then only for a sprint, doing 90 laps of a tiny track is not my idea of fun.
When i questioned spaced out cars for 20 car grids, i was querying whether we should use 'shorter' circuits...not short !
The longer tracks certainly suit GT76 and the faster GT65 cars as you can stretch their legs a bit and have proper sweeping curves instead of a series of niggly little hairpins and twists.

About the only tight track i like is Monaco  8)

Not to long. Not to short. Medium length? Dijon should be good  :)

There will be a small gap after next week and time to decide best way forward for enduro. Your thoughts are valued. That said, I (so not necessarily the views of UKGTL) would dearly like a "different" and special season finale at maybe Lemans, Nords, etc. Romantic fool. 

Mmmm, imagine a night race at Le Mans.....  :)

well im another 'romantic fool' then as i would instantly stick my hand up for either of those mesmorising circuits. :-*
 I dont think we do enough 'celebrated' circuits for our championships. I wish we would run a Le Mans round every year to coincide with the real deal and/or a 'Green hell' run ala the V24/Manthey Nords event. Racing nirvana  8)

Laguna could be a good choice too, after seeing that GTracers episode, or Paul Ricard. :-\

IMO there's only one track suitable for the Finale: Classic Le Mans (with the entire Mulsanne Straight  tumbleweed)... preferably at dawn/dusk/night)

For what it's worth: I really do not have a dislike for any type of car/circuit. What I do like is variety. Spa was great and a short circuit would be really a challenge... somewhat like the 24 hrs of Daytona in Januari (at least what I could distinguish between all the commercials and break-ups).
Sebring would also be nice...

Again a big thank you to the organisers (Ginsters, Pseudo,?) for setting up this series..  ;D

if you set daylight reality to 10x and start the race at 15:00hrs you should get all three! I've been testing the classic le Mans circuit for errors and have spent many a two hour session (30 laps) doing just this.

I'm for Le mans (with no chicanes) too. Looks like there's lot's of us for Le Mans.

One more vote for Le Mans.
Although a GTC-65 race at Nords would be good. :-\

If you're talking about Nordschleife, then I'm emphatically against it. I just hate that rack (and I'm from GPL and still have to drive it occasionally in league races).

Is it possible to have a overall cup, where points from both enduro and classic cups are added together?

How about Sebring instead then?

what have you got against the Nordschliefe (out of interest) ? Many thousands turn out to watch it every year so must have something going for it ! Not to mention the amount of people who take their real cars out on it.
Its on my 'to-do list' in the 911  8)

As for Le Mans  :jumpjoy:
Wiltshire, is that the LeMans67 track your testing? Been meaning to jump on that myself for some Steve Mcqueen type laps  :P

Certainly is ;D Been doing two hour events with mixed GTC65 and 76's, I drive the 906 with r e a l l y long gearing. Excellent track with no obvious bad spots, however at night with headlamps on there is graphical corruption displaying on the road surface on some parts of the circuit. It's not really that distracting. It's just something you can't help but notice. But could be my ATI card. Who knows. Doesn't stop me enjoying it tho :)

S U R F E R S  P A R A D I S E

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=2750 (http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=2750)

Can't possibly compare Le Mans and Surfers Paradise, especially, when we're talking endurance races.

Nordschliefe I guess is just one of those tracks you either love or hate. And I hate it. I'm also no fan of tracks where it takes more than 4 minutes to complete a lap.
And don't confuse me with this Nords and so so on names. It's the Ring people  ;D.

I don't mind 4 miute tracks, but the problem is when setting up the car, it takes forever just to start on the timed lap. So about 2.5-3 min should be fine IMO.

But the problem with a shorter track is the contant lapping. And for us not too confident, that's just boring, as I'm too afraid of ruining the race for the most comitted drivers, so I let them by as quick as possible, and loose a ton of time and consentration.

What's the ring lap time with these cars? 9 minutes?  ;D

It doesn't matter if the track is long or short for close racing. If the guy infront is faster and the guy behind slower, you'll always be on your own, either a Mickey Mouse track or a multiple minute track. The only way you get to see more people on a short track is when lapping/being lapped. If laptimes are equal you'll also be close on a long track, as on a short track.

The problem with Nordschleife...it's no racetrack for simracing. Too narrow, too dangerous.

Surfers Paradise, Albi 67, Le Mans (with no chicanes) and Paul Ricard.  8)
And all tracks with the layouts untill 1980.  :-*

and a Goodwood race during the revival would be cool