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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (21 laps = ~40 mins)
Track: Zolder
Cars allowed: Ford Falcon, Alfa Romeo GTA, Austin Mini Cooper S and Lotus Cortina.
Time of Day Setting: 13:00
Start: STANDING
Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
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Any lap times yet? I tried a few laps in the Falcon to learn the track. I got to about 1.59.

This is one of those tracks with hugely varying laptimes, depending on how much of the 'track' (read gravel and grass) you use.  I can do low-mid 58s in all 4 cars, but go have a look at GTLRank - people doing 54/55s in Alfas there, scary.   :o

Hate bits, awfull T1, but enjoy more bits, especially brilliant compression section through second chicane, of this track. Mid 58's so far in the luvverly Falcon for me.

I guess the Alfa may have the edge, boo hiss, but I'd hope those rank times are slightly dodgy. Funny mini one up top  :)

If it makes you guys happy , my fastest time till now in the alfa is 2.05  :-[
But we still got a few days till thursday so must get some better times......

Alfa Romeo for this one I think. I'd rather be driving the Mini though. :(

T1 is easy to skid wide on, but it's a great corner, imho. T1, 2, first chicane and the two righthanders after the second chicane are my favorites. T2 exit in a Panty is awesome, as long as you don't care about hotlapping or mind leaving your tires on the pavement  ;D

One key point to make time on Zolder is using a good chunk of the grass on the left going into the first chicane. Almost sorry to say it's worth at least half a second, maybe as much as a second, at least compared to keeping all tires on the asphalt.

Second chicane you gotta brake fairly early to make sure you don't drift wide in the first right, so you can get on the gas as early as possible going out of the chicane, just staying off the sand, but definitely using the concrete or whatever that grey stuff is (for rank hotlapping, not UKGTL legal). Actually, it's not only about getting on the gas early, since you also have to position yourself away from the right side for the following righthander.

Hairpin obviously be vary of going wide, only think about getting on the gas as early as possible. Third and final chicane again make sure you don't drift wide on the lefthander, stay on the inside of that to get a good line through the righthander for good speed on to the start/finish straight.

I don't recall exactly, but I'm fairly certain that achieving GTL rank times means cutting chicanes a good deal, at least the second chicane so all tires are outside the white lines, which of course is not allowed in UKGTL.

I should do 55's in the Alfa on a good day, and the rank page says my PB in the Falcon is 56.9. But, I haven't driven on Zolder in ages and keeping the lap UKGTL legal I'd say, and this is a pretty wild guess here, maybe high 56 in Alfa and Falcon a second slower for qually. Full tank or worn tires add another second. Maybe more, maybe less. If Bara or Ruskus practice, well, best not speak for others  ;)

I think Mike's post sums it up.  Speed depends on what you treat as track!  I'm trying very hard to keep one tyre at least on the white line, UKGTL legal, but it's a minifield with the cut detection allowing a good meter off track in places.  Maybe we need a directive from on high for this one.

All the best corners for me are the ones you can't cut, T1 all the way round to the first chicane is great, and those right handers Mike mentions are tail out fun in the V8s.  Just hate the chicanes and the vagueness of what line to take.   >:(

Think it's gonna be the Mustang, missed the Dijon Enduro when I would have taken it so now is its time.

You said it  ;)

In line with the gentlemanly conduct associated with srou, we would expect everybody to drive within the rules. As is normal for cut detection however, we will be relying on the built in detection system and of course any incident reports that may be submitted, to impliment the rules.

This is relevant section from rules-

Under normal circumstances the simulation's internal cut detection will be relied upon to police the cutting of chicanes and other corners.
Drivers are strongly discouraged from the deliberate placing of one or more wheels on areas of grass, gravel and sand.
Clear and deliberate cutting which evades detection by the simulation may still result in a penalty.
A driver who gains an advantage through a cut must yield the advantage back to any affected car(s).
An advantage may include taking a place directly, setting up a pass, or avoiding losing a place.

With the deliberate placing of wheels on grass, gravel and sand being the most pertinent too Zolder.

For me, these rules provide one "grey area" at Zolder. That is grey/white concrete section on left hand turn of second chicane. For me, its not grass, gravel or sand and looks like part of the track to me so I say its OK to use it. Perhaps Dave can confirm this either way as we have two races here this week. Don't see anything else that needs clarifying?

We simply can't check through all racing laps and these rules place some onus on the drivers to play fair. Sure you will :angel:

My best so far is a 1:55.9 in the Falcon.

It's really hard to see where your tyres are in that thing  ;D

pffff, did something of 15 to 20 laps this evening and still only a 2.02.11 :-(
Don't think i'm gonna go much faster thursday .

So anyone in for a fight in the back  ;D

No Jeff, it's easy.....just look at the big black tyre marks you left, in your mirrors.... ;D

looking closely during a recent walk round of the track, I noticed the white line is clearly visible following the edge of the grey/white concrete section in the chicane. This implies to me that the said section is NOT part of the track and should be treated pretty much the same as any grass/gravel/sand.

As ever I'm expecting people to take the chicanes in a sporting and safe way. As I've said many, many times in the past, and has already been repeated in this thread, there is no practical manner to enforce more specific rules beyond the checking built into each sim, and since the vast majority seem willing and able to use their common sense where that checking is found wanting I'm confident that Zolder will be "business as usual".

Me... 2:05

Ruskus care to share your setup?
I got one from the online folder, but it's too stiff. I can't make the Falcon slide.
That Cobra setup from last week was so sweet, I was drifting through almost every turn. :)

I can't lock the wheels under braking. I tried it on purpose, just accelerate on the straight and then hit the brakes (no throttle), and car slows down gradually, with no smoke, and leaving no tire marks. Is that OK? I thought they didn't have abs and anti-lock brakes in the 60s. The car is Falcon.

Doesn't sounds right, but can have multiple reasons. Is pressure on 100% and try moving the bias way forward and way backwards. Does it lock up then?

Also check the controller.

Controller is not the issue. When  try the same with GPL, I leave a nice long tire marks on the road. I'm using G25. I'll check what you said Ruskus.

Brake pressure is set to 98% and brake bias is 61-39.
When I changed that to 40-60 and tried heavy braking I spun out.
Below is a pic from the etup screen, and a small clip of me braking with both brake bias versions.
It suffice to say I'm no setup guru, but it seems like a setup issue.

(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/3337/setupxa7.th.png) (http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=setupxa7.png)

http://rapidshare.com/files/100561208/braking.rar.html

My advice, keep brake pressure always on 100% and determan brakepower by your foot. It's always nice to have the pressure when needed :).
Also 61-39 is waaaay too far to the front for the Falcon IMO. I use 53-47, which gives me controlable tailbraking.

That's a good sign :D, shows it's working properly, but 40-60 is a bit overkill :P.



Watched both clips and it's hard to tell really, but looking at your setup I think your car is just way too soft. 1 on all fast and slow settings is pretty extreme I think. You'd want the front quite soft, but not the rear.

Here is my setup for the Falcon, great powersliding again :D:

http://files.filefront.com/Falcon+Zolder+JRsvm/;9844179;/fileinfo.html

Thanks.

Nice setup JR, ta :) Still not much faster though, might just dip into 57's.

If someone gets a Falcon on pole it might cause a tailback here ;)

As its effectively a 'Friday' today with the easter break i may well end up in a pub instead of at the race track  :P

However if i do drag my sorry ass home in time, i'll hop into a Mustang for some yeehaws in Belgium. It just sounds awesome with the soundpack  8)

However ive only managed about 4 laps in either the Falcon, Alfa and mustang for practise so am firmly planted in the 2:00's at the moment  :(

I've had lots of practice and still in the 2.0's !!  ;D

Join the club Martin, been doing a few laps in the lotus and cant break 2:00.....well it should be an interesting race at the back at least.  ::)

Down to high 56's in the Alfa, the in game corner cutting is so lax here, its difficult not to cut the chicanes!  :D

Bad news, its 5.20pm and the GTL lobby is down  >:(

Indeed, still down for me :'( Note that it was down around 4 when Morten tried, lets hope its back up soon.

Lobby's been down for aboun an hour now....I tried at around 4.30 with no joy.

Should hopefully be ok later for the race....I will make the cut off time 8pm.

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii60/oilyway/panic.gif)

Thanks for confirming my mistake.

 ;D

Looks like I'm not going to make this one...

.. have a good race! (especially the colleagues at the back  ;) )

Don't panic Mr Mainwarring! ;D

Is the Lobby working yet? ???

Not for me, I can't get in.  >:(  :-\

ARSE!! I am a twat sometimes, just flippin reinstalled thinking it was more PC woes  :cursing:

What's the score if its not up by race time, will it get shifted back or cancelled?

Good question. :-\

Lets hope it won't be necessary. Prolly simplest just to move it to back of current scheduled GTL events which finish in 3 weeks time if thats ok with the majority. Before next couple of enduros.

Still down for me. Same for all? :'( Feel free to panic now.

Botheration, well up for this after last week's DSL grief lol!

Just a thought but is it possible to do direct IP link to the server to avoid the lobby?  ???

Nope, the retards at Simbim still demand you to go through their lobby, even with direct IP.

These downtimes are pissing me off more and more in Simbin's products. Good thing I hardly play GTL and GTR2 anymore and I'm shifting towards rF more.

Not working here either. :(

At least it's not as bad as EA's master server. ::)

Any luck yet anyone?

8pm has passed  >:( looks like I'll not be able to race now as this race will be postponed to when I'll probably be working.....Damn you Simbin!
I'm going to massacre some soldiers on Assassins Creed now and imagine they're simbin personnel!  :devil:

Sorry folks.  :(

Just tried again at 8pm.....no joy I'm afraid.

As said earlier, the cut off point was 8pm.....so this race will be postponed to a date later in the season.

 >:( Simbin lobby  >:(

Yeah that does kinda defeat the point a little doesn't it!

Interesting you mention RF, I'm a noob to it and haven't been blown away I must admit. With that many add-ons i'm sure its just a case of finding the good sheeeet. The V8 supercars are a giggle but as i mentioned to Tibs, the F1 stuff is really why I bought it but the 07 pack i've got just seems totally unrealistic...I know they're supposed to be quick but the damn things max out the revs in every gear far too quickly IMO. Plus they sound like hairdriers which isn't very manly.

Where's this goddamn lobby!?

Still down I thought it was my dreaded ISP at fault.  Thanks see race postponed now.

Bill

Well it's Infantry only on the 2es BF2 server so I'll do the same on that! :devil:

Bugger...never mind! Thanks anyway chaps...out of your hands.

Need a fix, V8 supercars it is!

Oh well, better get some practice in at Mexico City!

Absolute bugger, sorry gents  :'( Gonna be re-scheduled for the 17th April.

Anybody fancy some GTR fun as that fecking lobby is working ???

Sure, maybe praccy for saturday  :)

MARA used to direct link and cut our the lobby altogether. Just a thought.

We should try to set something like that up in case this happens again.

I've asked before but nobody has been able to explain how to do it without using some sort of dodgy add on tool.

I wrote to the guy who sets such things up at MARA. Below is my email and his response.

Recently we have had troubles logging into the GTL lobby and I
remember that in MARA you did it a different way to us. We select a
server from a list then enter a password to get to the track. With
MARA I remember that we entered a specific internet address
(depending on our name) and then we entered a pass and got in.
Now here's the point of my message
Can you explain to me (so that I can pass it on) what system you use
to setup such a procedure like MARA use.

We start the server without broadcast to the lobby, so it is not shown in
the lobby. This is an option in the startup screens of the server, or you
set "LobbyBroadcast=0" in the Dedicatedserver.ini on the server.
Then in the client, you have to select to connect via LAN/Direct IP and then
you choose Add IP Address. Enter the ip address and press ok. After a while,
if all is ok, the race will show up in the list. You can then select it and
click join. Then you are prompted for the server password.
I'm not sure though if this procedure will work when there is a problem with
the lobby. We used it to be able to use 2 adsl lines to the server, with two
ip addresses. Anyway, I hope it works for you!

It doesn't - that's always been the problem. Direct IP still talks to the lobby unless the IP is on the same subnet (ie. your LAN). The only way to fool it is to hack your hosts file but even with a little tool to do it, it's easy to cock things up in a critical system file.

What the MARA hack does is allow two servers to run behind the same NAT gateway - the lobby gets confused as it only sees one IP address.

what a ferkin shambles that lobby is tonight. No cadwell, then when we start the Zolder race, the second the 'Go' word appeared, you all disapeared !  :'(  just my car on its own going around, looked like a good fun close race too  :(

Don't know what happened there.  I got on to Zolder OK, practiced OK. In qualifying I found I was 22nd with a time - no one else had a time recorded.  ??? At the race start I was in a hole with a barrer in front and spectators and trees floating over the top of it. :taz: :helpsmilie: :hang:  Real weird - any clues?

Bill

pretty much a wasted night/weeks praccy all round....

Was doing pretty well at Cadwel...posting competetive times etc. but thats coz I had time to praccy and do a set up...

Same cant be said for Zolder for which I was totally unprepared, and it showed....

Ah well, spose something will go right soon.  :(

Was having  a great race caught Bara and jeff ..Bara was warping bad not sure if i touched you at the hairpin mate but it was a nightmare ,   He returned the favour which was real nice . Then i run out of fuel as i put in Only enough for  about 10 laps for some crazy reason...gutted.
cheers

I apologise for the shambles tonight, totally my fault. I presumed that this track was ok as it had been used before and I really should have checked it. Really beginning to doubt if have the attention to detail thats required of this post.

Thx to Dave and Bob for bailing us out. And thx to you gents for not making it worse by making a good go of the race at Zolder.

Well that was a surprise. I only turned up cause it was going to be Cadwell Park (the track I grew up near). That went to pot when we discovered the 21 car limit and enter Zolder. Usual get myself on the grid just in the top 10. Good start gained 2 places, then passed Ossie within a couple of laps, then caught up Priberio and Keith when they had an incident and then I was all alone in 4th for 13 laps  :-\. Ended up getting third with Dan's retirement, how very odd and unexpected. ;D

Excellent race, with many great fights with, Geoffers, Keith and Steve
Amazing as we were batlling for almost 20 laps.
Sorry for the tap Keith, completely my fault, thats why i waited for you to pass me.
I was so distracted waiting for you that fall to 8th. Fortunately i managed to recover.
Well done podium. Thanks all.
Cheers

Was kind of sad that there was no Cadwell, managed the Alfa down to Mid 1:36s on it :(

Luckily I still had a setup from Zolder when it was going to be run originally, so I only had to spend a few minutes re-learning the track.

Everyone was pretty consistent throughout the race. Was having a fun battle for 14th with Will, Dave, and Mason. That kind of spread out after a while, and I creeped into 13th. Ended up spinning on the last turn causing me to lose a few spots. Raced pretty consistently from there, till I again spun on the same turn in the second last lap and lost a spot.

Pretty quiet race overall, everyone was running at a consistent pace and there wasn't to many errors to try to capitalize on :(

Are we going to do zolder again next week? Or will the track/carchoice change?

Me too SBG. I just assumed as we'd used it before with a decent sized field there wouldn't be a problem. Lucky last time we only had just under the maximum so never found out.  :) No problem though, still a massive grid for Zolder and a reasonable race had by most in the end I would guess. We can try and fix Cadwell if we have the skills, otherwise it can just be replaced with another track. No biggie, these things happen.

I appreciate all the effort you're putting into this. Look at it this way: if you would have had made a mess of it, there wouldn't turn up 28 (!) people to race the series!

When you try something different, something things go wrong.. well, that's life  ;D

Keep up the god (and good) work  :thumbup1:

DOn't worry Ian, don't think anobody minded  :-*. Understandable mistake when a track has been used in the passed :).

Had a good race and after lap 8 my tyres were gone. Could hold off Bara more 19 laps till he overtook me. Sometimes it was hard for me to know where he was, because his car was warping backwards and forwards quite heavily. Especially at the beginning and end of the race, mddle seemed quite okay as far as I could see.

Well that was a experience and a very enjoyable one.  Had never driven Zolder in a race before so had no setup and had to learn the circuit.  Despite being at the back I had a great battle with, I think, Tibernius for a few laps - sorry if I caused you any problems with my early braking.  Later I chased a blue Alfa, but could never get close enough to make a challenge.  Watched some great dices as I was being lapped, while I could keep them in sight that is  ;D - yoiks you're bloody quick.
Congratulations on the podium finishers and thanks to everyone for a great evenings racing.  Previous commitments to GPL means I wont be with you next Thursday but I be back as soon as I can.

Laurie

Didnt mind at all... glad that we all got to race. ;)

Ian,
You are being to hard on yourself. 
I think everybody is very happy how things are going and things like tonight can always happen.
So just a  :thumbup2: for you .

Race was good for me, i even ended on the circuit with only being lappend once  :D 
Just 2 seasons more and I might finish in the points......

Yep, that was me. I had the brake balance a little too far back cause I was using a cadwell setup, so it was "interesting" for a while. ;)
I really don't like that track, it was my first time driving it and I made a right mess of it. Broke the suspension again. ::)

SBG: it's easy enough not to know these things. Don't be too hard on yourself. As long as we can race there with those cars at some point I don't mind. ;) ;D

GDC Strikesssshh AGAIN: I believe we've finished 17th and 19th .. huurraaahhh   :wetfish:

Now off the the pub to celebrate !! ;)

Dont be silly Ian, i only can say thank you for all your effort and for your time, allowing we to have
these great nights  :-*

Cheers mate

OK, any thoughts on how we want the results for tonight?

option 1: Fun race
option 2: Championship result from Zolder

I would like to add my name to these comments. You are totally blameless. You listening?

I hate Zolder so lets call it a champ race and get it out of the way
Option 2 please

Dosent matter to me mate, but im sure the guys who are fighting for postions in the champioship will want points.

I think it's got to be next week's Zolder championship race, just happened a week early.

Let's start with a gente single malt whisky and see where we end   ;D
Great race from your side , grats

No problem calling it the next week champ race.....except importing the results etc...and where to put them (dont be rude) is a little beyond my mental capacity tonight.

So results and replays will be a little later than normal but will appear at some time.

Heh, most fun track-learning exercise ever ;D

What possessed me to use the Mustang I will never know  ::), and as a result qualified waaaay down at the back, but had some good fun racing trying to get up the field.  I gained places as a result of attrition more than anything, but did manage overtake one car LOL.  I knew roughly where the track went, but the Mustang was definately not the best choice to learn the place in, so I was having to learn the track AND the car  :o

I'd lean towards calling this a fun race as people were unprepared for it, but I don't really mind either way, I'm racing for the fun of it.

Laurie,

I know you're only trying to be helpful (including to me tonight) with your 'go left', 'go right messages' but they're very distracting. They're also against the rules:

Only players acting as race control are permitted to use typed chat message during Qualifying 2 and the Race. Such messages will be prefixed with "ADMIN", and any instructions issued in this way must be followed by all drivers.

In any case, they're not necessary. Just stick to the racing line and the car behind will find its way round you. And yes, I know I broke the very rule I'm quoting, but after nearly stuffing it into the wall at the chicane I was trying to make you aware of the problem.

Thanks again for your considerate driving.

Phil

  Yes thanks for that Phil i was doing OK with the go left 'n' right ones then a new one came up and stupid me goes and reads it  :D then promptly drives off track :oops: losing a place  ;D

Interesting race from my cockpit but I must apologise for my warp/lag - I had no idea as it was all fine for me (around 100ms). I'm going to figure out what this is before next race for sure. Maybe new ISP time as I may have been migrated to Tiscali's lower grade service from Nildram sneakily.

Great battle with JR all the way. Incredibly hard figuring out a way past. Wherever I had a big advantage (i.e. the slow chicane) there was just no way through. Got out ahead a couple of times but the next straight let him power back by :)

Eventally, with 2 laps to go and his tyres suffering, I figured a different line into the slow chicane and managed to get enough breathing room before the hairpin so he couldnt catch me at the last chicane, and just kept ahead at T1 then I managed to break away around the next series of bends but had to push like crazy in that penultimate lap to make sure. Great race :D

Dan - I'm sorry if you feel I took you out as "revenge" as you seem to be implying but I can assure you it was not that at all. From my view you just moved over to the left before I had started steering right going into the hairpin where I was outbraking you on the outside, and you clipped me and just veered straight off :-(   Probably my 'fault' for having lag but there is no way I would do that to you (or anyone) on purpose :/

Well done to the SR boys for rescuing the evening ;)

Oh, and I shout for making it a point scoring race ;D  (don't mind either way, honest lol)

Dan - I'm sorry if you feel I took you out as "revenge" as you seem to be implying but I can assure you it was not that at all. From my view you just moved over to the left before I had started steering right going into the hairpin where I was outbraking you on the outside, and you clipped me and just veered straight off :-(   Probably my 'fault' for having lag but there is no way I would do that to you (or anyone) on purpose :/

That was just my feeling after the race havnt even watched the replay..as i said i thought i might have clipped you the lap before when i got passed which gave me the feeling that you might have felt a bit agrieved.. should have looked at the replay first before i said anything i know your a fair driver. ;)

 ??? I didn't do anything weird this time  :-X. Although I saw my car roll on the monitor and the FFB was still active.

Thanks for that Simon :)

Maybe I'm going against the grain somewhat but I don't think results from Zolder should count towards championship. I don't think its fair that some were clearly better prepared, by either racing there before or getting in some early practice, than others and hence perhaps bettered their finishing position by luck, through no fault of their own of course. I'm prolly excluding the gents up front who are always there no matter what, but I can't help but think the midfield positions were decided by those who have done some work at Zolder before, as luckily I had done.

I'd say make last night a fun race and we will either add an extra event, to bring championship back to 10 or leave it at 9. Its not that tricky to re-arrange things a way down the line :) However, I'm happy to go along with the majority.

Appreciate the support and respectful reaction to last night gents :)

I was on my Hols when the original Zolder was planned to take place. Hence I did exactly zero preperation and was also extremely happy to miss this circuit which I loath.
So I raced last night with no setup, practise etc. But I do want this counted as a champ race cos If I never race here again it'l be too soon.

I also don't think Zolder results should count. I was there last night, and my understanding was that the replacement race was just a fun race, and that's why I didn't race. If I had known it would count towards championship I'd have stayed. But from the chat it looked pretty clear that it was going to be a fun race, and even when it was agreed it would be Zolder, it was still as just a test.

Without wanting it to go to your heads...felt I should echo that you guys have put together a great track line-up and are doing a great job..no question. If you were earning what Bernie Ecclestone does I might have a word to say but bottom line is that its just for fun  ;)

I couldn't get in again yesterday though and wonder if anyones got any ideas before I go back to me Gameboy or wotever we're on these days ??

You've all experienced what happens to me every time, as its exactly like when the track limit was reached. You click on the track (in lobby), enter a pwd and then it waits for 5-10 secs and just throws you back into the lobby.

Over the weekend I reinstalled Windows, and put back on literally only GTL (+update) and the SROU packs. I joined the server yesterday at half six to make sure I had time to sort any probs and joined fine. I did quite a few laps in both unofficial practice and qually sessions with Pseudo, Tony and others but after leaving it on monitor with SBG hustling the Falcon around while I got some food, the thing froze completely. It's almost as if when certain people join, it kicks me out...permanently. When I tried to rejoin the server the above happens and there's no way back.

Tried extending lobby timeout values, changing ports I connect on, checking firewalls, rebooting numerous times, reinstalling GTL from scratch AGAIN, creating new and different profiles you name it.

Has anything changed on the SROU server that could be causing me these issues do you think? Odd as 28 of you managed ok but I do seem to be able to race on other servers without any issues.

I want to get a new PC but i'm not even convinced that'll sort it which is worrying if I want to do a league race again  :-[

Ideas welcome!!!

P.s - I'd obviously rather last night's race was just a fun one and not league.  ;D

I disagree. In fact at one stage sbg said " remember this is a leaguey (sic) thing so the usual rules apply"
Can't see the point in doing it all again. Let's all remember - it's only a game. Anyone wanting the points can have my meagre haul, I'll never win a championship anyway.lol

TC

Had a look at the replay ...i did come across a little bit before i turned in so you couldnt really go anywhere  Bara.  You only warping quite bad when i tried to pass you at the same corner a lap before and looking at the replay i hit you a couple of times sorry for that. 

To be fair I did say that, to prevent any silliness and without being sure of where exactly we were going, but only when on server for Zolder race. Some, like Syd, may have presumed that any event would have been a fun type event from chat in lobby. An understandable view I think.

Its not a points issue, thats of secondary importance to most of us I hope, but one of fairness I think. No one is suggesting we do Zolder race again but I really feel that a proper replacment venue/event is the way to go?

Phil and everyone, else please accept my apology - the last thing I want is to screw up anyones race.  I, obviously mistakenly, thought it was expected of me and even reconfigured my wheel buttons to allow me to send the messages.  Be assured I wont do it next time and thank you for pointing it out.  If anyone has any comment about my driving and/or behavior (other than I'm too slow  :-[) please do not hesitate to do so.

Laurie

Thanks for that Laurie :) Your driving standards have been very good from what I've seen. And certainly good enough to make those little chat instructions unnecessary, as Phil said.

With all the aggravation, I almost forgot the fun I had around here last night. Thanks to Phil, Bernie and Tinman for some nice action. Apologies to Bernie for incident, not sure what happened but I meant no malice and nor did you. I got turned on my roof for all the right reasons ;).

That's alright mate. I didn't mind the lap before, it was the suggestion that I took you out on purpose that grated. I can pass you without removing you from the race if I wanted to ;P
No hard feelings ;)

I think you are right too. Not fair on people that practiced for the Cadwell race to be thrown in the deep end like that - and for Syd's misunderstanding he shouldn't miss out either. So we just gotta choose and extra track now... :D

Loch Rannoch! Place is insane.

There are quite a few refugees from Nildram appearing on IDNet at the moment. I'm surprised you aren't seeing problems at your end though - after they migrated me I couldn't stay connected for any length of time.

As a fellow-backmarker (yes, on of those blue Alfa's was me) I just want to add that you can flash your lights when being lapped. The overtakees then know you have seen them and won't make any rash moves  ;)

Gotta say that was a great job by Dave and co to get us up and running with a race and even get us back on the right start time.  :thumbup2: That's why I love SRouk, most other places would probably say 'track doesn't work, everyone go home!'  But a little chat debate and we had ourselves a good race.   8)

Shame its gonna be a fun one, after doing all the practice for it a few weeks ago I was prepared for Zolder, but I completely understand as people did miss out.  At least no-one's suggesting doing Zolder again, not my favourite track trying to work out how to take the chicanes in a legal manner!!   :-\

But for a track I don't much like I had some superb close racing with Bernie (such a shame you spun) and later with Keith and PR, brilliant stuff.  Great driving from cars being lapped too, Sandor was particularly helpful, but everyone was considerate.

As for Ian beating yourself up, c'mon, look at the flippin' grid size, are we all loving the series?   :)

Thanks to all involved for setting up a replacement race. Shame we couldn't do Cadwell, but no ones fault. Did quite well even though I don't like Zolder much. Had a good battle with Ossie early on until he spun at the first chicane & later a good dice with PR who managed to win our battle for 4th  :clap:

I'll go with the flow on wether it's a points race or not.

Good fun guys, cya all next week
Geoffers

After much discussion behind the scenes it has been decided that this will be classed as a fun race.

We can see value in the arguements for and against. However, we don't want to see my cock up have any say in final championship standings, which it will have if we let this race stand. That would be grossly unfair and devalue what is an important, if fun, championship to fight for.

Another event will be organised to replace this one. It won't be at Zolder but its likely to have same car choice. Again, thanks for your understanding  :)

That seems to be the best decision to make.  :thumbup2:
and no we dont want to see your cock, thanks very much

 :laugh:

I enjoyed that race, but i still took the Mustang, and i still have not learnt that i can't drive it for more than 10 laps without spinning it when the tyres start to go.

Always expect the Unexpected - good race for an unplanned session - im loving the Grid sizes we are getting now - remember a few season's ago when we were stuggling to make double figures?

Thanks guys for sorting the races, and for trying new things aswell - if we didn't try different tracks & cars, then i'm sure most of us would be moaning to do so anyway!

And especially not up :lol:

 :laugh:

Being that i got friggin discoed on the start line i am glad its declared a fun race.
Could anyone see me on grid? i was 16th in the mini. I could see everyone until about 1m past the word 'Go' then the whole grid vanished. I kept going expecting you all to re-appear in a second but nobody did.  :'(
Was my car ghosted on the grid ?

I was next in line and I didn't notice any probs with anyone.

Yep, I had to swerve to avoid it. :o

Same for me  :D

I think i saw it on the grid, then it vanished whilst i was still in 1st gear - unlucky Mark... :-\

Yes, I have a comment Laurie - your driving is absolutely fine. Testament to this is the fact that you finish! Too slow? Not at all. A variety of speeds on the track keeps the races interesting. Nice to see you here.

Phil

Yeah i know!! :D

 A group of  cars  vanished for me after the start  ??? but luckily they all came back before the first corner  :o

Great race guys really enjoyed it!
Can I add my praise to those involved in getting us a race at all last night!?
Gutted it's not going to be a league race as I did quite well!.... for me!! With that monster Falcon!!
Fully understand the decision so no arguments here! :)
Dave, did see you coming up the side of me before one of the last turns but then lost sight of you and then
you were spinning in front of me! Havn't seen the replay so not sure if I was in error! Sorry! just in case! :)

Please can we have another circuit where I can try the Falcon !? that is not too twisty!?  ;)
That lolloping barge of a car is sooo much fun!!

M.

I just want to give my thanks to everyone who managed to sort out the problems and get the server changed in super quick time so that we all could race somewhere. Well done all.

Though it was just me who saw the irony in it?

Err well it wasnt an auspicous first race with you guys as i'd dreamed! It takes a while for me to get the hang of a track so really struggled getting the hang of it. Though i went the wrong way on the diff which meant i couldnt catch it into the last chicane under heavy braking during qualifying. Then i was caught out by how quickly the race began, I suddenly saw the 1 in the corner of the screen counting down and quickly hit the 'drive' button. This meant i had to pit after the first lap to fill up with fuel but i ended up hitting Mark's stationary car on the start which damaged my suspension.
Managed to get some laps in before letting most people through and tried not get in peoples way even though i'm a lap down. I just got a bit nervous with the leaders coming passed again and got the car sliding out of the last chicane a bit toooo much and spun and had to jump ship quickly as they were right on me. Sorry guys.

JR's position now corrected. I'm a bit concerned by the fact that we've had two weird results problems in rapid succession with GTL - in this case, JR's car appears to jump into a pit or something the moment he crosses the line; quite why that should result in a DQ I've no idea!

Speeding in the pit lane? ???