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Practice 1:	15:45	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	15:55	(25 mins)
Race:	16:20	(130 minutes)	note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Spa 2003 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2)
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of two pit stops. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Super Enduro
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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Yeahhhhhhhh...good one, I'm in, good track choice for the first one. ;D

Boooooooooo...bad one, I gotta learn how to drive a GT1, Quickly :-X

I'm spending Easter away back home, so I wont be able to make this.  Sounds like a fun format though :)

Damn Easter and these Western holidays.  :no:  I hope I can make it.  :(

 :shifty:

TT

First post updated to correct the skin pack number (2.6.0.0 was for Season 6).

I'm with Psuedo on this one  ;D best get the learning head on  :smartass: all the same  :jumpjoy: cant wait

great.  8)

Not sure I can make this one, but if I can I will.       Good luck with the series as I really like the idea of longer races.   

Been looking forward to doing another super enduro. 


Should be fun, provided enough people show up!

Sorry can't make this, will no doubt be getting cold and wet watching Bath play rugby.

120mins around Spa on saturday and 60mins around mugello on sunday :o


Now thats an easter weekend :)

Not a big fan of spa but it will give me a chance to have a play in GT1.

I will be taking part in this one  :)

Spa and Suzuka are 2 of my favourites. See you there  ;D

We need Suzuka In GTR2. I love that Track!!!!

...I am looking forward to this. I just hope there is a good turn out! 

But it's worth it!!! I shall be watching the BBW too from a dry seat in the stand  ;D
Good luck with the race.

So far my practise at Spa has been an exercise in how many times I can crash at Eau Rouge rather than how fast I can lap. :(  This track is tuff but it is sooooooo much fun.  ;D

I hope knowone is close to CeeJays times, they are totally crazy!  :alien:

Damn CeeJay...  :o  Which world are U from. ???  2.09-2.10 in a LISTER.... HOLY MOLY. If I ever get below 2.12 I'm High as a tree of pure joy of succeeding just that goal. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

PS. Just as a referens, I make high 2.13 in Lister... so P L E A S E  :helpsmilie:  me in on the secrets. DS

Those laptimes are with a -45kg Lister, the Lister now is -5kg with Michelins, and for a hotlap it's worth more to have -45kg and Dunlops, than the other option, as Dunlops get up to temp quickly. Problem with Dunlops is making them last.

The lap times are for the lister with michelin tyres.     Cj suffered a couple of discos if I remember correctly and with last seasons ballast ended up very light.      No point of looking at lap records set by such a light car as they are impossible to achieve.

Ah yes you're right. I thought they were from the old ballastpack, but it was indeed how you described :).

Is it fair to keep such a lap record as nobody will ever have such a low weight and any chance to challenge those times?      The best case scenario is now 40kg heavier and that is a massive difference.

It's simply not practical to have records which cover every possible scenario.

If you want a chance at the quali lap record, take the MC12 ;) Might be a bit tricky for 2 hours mind.

Trust this proves popular as its an interesting format. Hope its going strong by the time footy season ends and I have some free Saturdays.

Hmm, is it considered shameful to take what I gather is often called the noob-mobile, i.e. the F550? I think I want to do it still.

Although, the lambo does have a nice sound as well...hmm-ho, what am I to choose.

In this Super-Endurance series, can you choose a different car each race, or should I stick to the same car every race?

The F550 in the pack is balanced to be equal to other GT1 cars. It has less power than original and some weight, so using it won't make you look like a plonker, what the original F550 does :D

You can take whatever you want. The F550 has it's own problems (dodgy handling), so you might be good in a straight line (although the UKGTR one has a tiny weeny bit less power than the original), but if you can't sort the setup out to be good round the corners it won't really be an advantage.

CR5 is quite good for "noobs" (and you might be a GTR 2 noob, but we know you're far from inexperienced when it comes to sim-racing), why not give that a go?


Same rules as the other series. One change is allowed per series before you get deductions to your points.

What race pace should I be lookin at?

I think I am gonna be around the 2.15 / 2.16 mark  :-[

I'm the same as you Reign Man, 2.16 after a few laps in the Saleen.

in GTR1 the Saleen was known as the n00b car, as it's so stable. In GTR2 it's also very easy to drive, just be carefull over bumps.

Probably the reason why FreQ is using the Saleen now...n00b  :lol:

Well, if I must reveal the reason and show why I call myself a noob  :D,  it's that Huttu "released" a setup pack for the 550, but not for any other car. This pack mostly frees me from worrying about setups since I'm usually the type that adapts to the car, having failed at adapting the car to me. I've long wondered whether I'd come to enjoy making setups and adjustments if I really put some effort into learning more about it, or if it would always seem like extra work. So far ready made setups have mostly won out, they simply reduce the needed training time by so much.

However, for GTC I will be attempting to make my own Modena setups for the remainder of the season.

  I didn't pick it for its "n00b" handling  :laugh: i picked it because it has the clearest view out of the window   ;D

Drive what you want to drive. As Jeff says it's been handicapped to make it less incredible, and more practical to race against the other cars. I'm still trying to get Zacari back into it seeing as it's his fav car ;D


So my using the Lambo all these years now means nothing eh?! :death: And I switched after being pushed by a certain Dutch character that I'm sure frequents this forum....can't remember who... :smartass:

But it is a bitch over kerbs  :laugh:


Haha, practicality first - what a weird way to chose a car :laugh:
I chose the Lambo before I even received GTR1....it just looked sooooo sexy ;)

EEEEEK,

Just seen the weather forecast for Saturday.....chance of SNOW  :o :o

I've added a poll to guage the number of people likely to take part. If there looks like a low turn out I will have a quick advert blast session in other places to get more people, but I want UKGTR people to have first knowledge of this series.

would love to be able to attend this but alas real life gets in the way. Saturdays are a veritable no-no for me  :(

Enjoy your racing gents !

Normally this would be a no-no for me as well,  especially as the Upper Enduro will be the night after with this seasons arrangements. But as circumstances are this weekend I will definately be joining this one.  :)  Looking forward to the extended length and the more than likely dodgy conditions should make for an interesting race.

I think a longer race series is a great idea, nice one Simon. It probably suits my slow but steady driving style too and with the longer length then a bit more strategy may come into it as well. Hopefully I will be able to join some of the other races planned as well but in general the time I spend racing at the moment is about as much as I can commit.

Got a Saleen setup from last season but if I have chance to get a setup ready for the 575GTC then I will use that as its my GT1 choice this season. Never really done that well at Spa although the track of course is one of the best.

Can't make it, as it's held when I'm doing my weekly shopping and preparing/eating dinner.

I will be coming, got some work to do, but I can fit this in before and after.

Tried a few cars so far, not sure which to go with yet, best time is 2:17, so iam not fast.

Found out my pedals where set to single axis, been struggling with my braking for a while, now I know why.  ;)

I can do it at the moment before the motorsport season kicks off proper. The Saleen would be my first choice as i've driven more miles in it as i find easier to drive but might choose the lambo to be different. Though its a shame it doesnt have a decent skin, why didnt they paint the thing!

I'm around 2.17's aswell but I'm practising the pits stops so i dont end up in a blind panic!

I like the format and would like to take part but can't.     The only problem is my daughter comes through every second weekend to stay, so it's her time I'm afraid.    Hopefully other races fall on my free weekends

Take the Saleen then  :thumbup1:

Take the Lambo coss it brakes amazingly and has lovely handling, not because you want to be different - it's one of the most popular cars ;D

Shame we aren't running the 2003 version anymore, much better busstop and with the improved cut detection I hope it comes back soon :yes:

 :lol: Thats why I drive it  ;)

Oh herring, I forgot we'd done an improved 2003 version too. I was assuming we'd only done the later track.

Generally people seem to prefer the 2003 version so what's the consensus on changing this to the 2003 configuration?

Doo ittt! ;D

My opinion doesn't really count as I won't be entering this series (way too much work), but almost eveyone prefers the '03 version. Change it quick if you do though so peeps have a chance to praccy.

'03 please, the 2004 bus stop was never right.   :)

Same here, '03 please. it's only one corner that changes so no real re-practice, and I think most people are more familiar with 03 anyway :).

I don't think it would matter, even at this late stage, if it was changed to 2003 version. It is only the bus stop that has any real noticable differences so it would not cause any major 'wasted practice' issues IMO.

Go for it.

So I tried the 2003 Spa version, and now the bus stop is just a normal chicane? As in Paniiic brake, steer over the curbs in a straight line and once you land on the far end just floor it.

I prefer the slower version myself.

Whichever.  :)  Is this a word?

TT

It is now anyways  :)

 :clap:

I prefer the 04 version...better chance for overtaking, and no possibility of straightlining the entry.

The UKGTR version has much tighter checking, you really can't do anything naughty at the bus stop with our version.

I've changed it to (UKGTR) Spa 2003.

Had a try at the UKGTR version, indeed much tighter cut warning. That, coupled with the much more dangerous 2003 chicane, makes it very easy to muck up your race here. But if you go carefully through the chicane, you loose a lot of time, as much as a second even.

Same for T1-2-3 of course, the fast uphill leftrightleft.


Gonna be a challenging race.

 :blink:

Oh, you mean "Eau Rouge"...   :shifty:

TT

Looks like a rainy race...

TT

Yeah, rainy  :-\

Tried a few laps with 80% rain at the 20C the game gives. No chance of keeping hard wets up to temp, and softs will become dangerous before half the tank is gone. Can only imagine what it will be like if we're really driving at 3C.

Sounds like an excellent test of skill, stamina and tactics.
 :shifty:

AAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH >:( >:(

I'm not entirely sure what happend but i think i did a Raikkonen and got a touch on the grass into the fast left before the bus-stop. Sadly the tarmac didnt help me at that speed and clattered the tyres on the outside but didnt think its was too bad but the engine was dead. Saw H@L coming though so thought i'd better jump ship. Sorry guys, disappointed is putting it mildly.


Well it started off ok, the temperatures werent as low as i feared and with a short practise and qualifying session i just wanted to get a resonable (for me) lap in. Was following Ade around with us both having a few lapses of concentration, me more than him though!

Just hope it went well for the rest of you :)

That went well.

Thanks to everyone who joined in the race and congratulations to all the finishers, especially the podium of Jeff, TrueTom and PaulR. Good stuff.

I was quite surprised it didn't rain, but made it a bit easier for the opening round.

Strategy in the Lambo was non-existant. It was basically 3x 100 litres and pit at the absolute latest for both pit stops. I finished the race with 2 litres left and was using 5.1 litres a lap!

Start wasn't so great getting bumped by my teamie Gizmo on the formation lap made me slightly slower in stint one. ::) :) After getting past Pseudo on lap 1 after he made a mistake in Eau Rouge, it was all about chasing Reign Man's MC12. The gap was about 4 seconds for the whole of the first stint I think and when I pitted I got the damage repaired and put on new mediums all round and waited the eternity required for my crew to fill the car up again.

I managed to jump Reign Man in the pits (just) and never looked back. Slowly I caught Paul Richards in his Ferrari, but with about 10-15 minutes to go in the first stint I simply had to sit behind him hoping for a mistake as the Lambo was only just quick enough to keep up with him in his slipstream let alone have a chance at a pass. He didn't make the mistake and we pitted together.

Unfortunately for me my pit stop took about 8 seconds longer than his. I put on soft fronts and medium rears for the final stint and filled her up to the top again. I then pushed as hard as I could for 40 minutes to the end to try and peg the gap and in those 40 minutes I only managed to get 3 or 4 seconds off Paul. He did a great job at being consistent and with no mistakes he successfully kept me far enough away to take 3rd position. Well done Paul, you must have been feeling the pressure (I hope anyway! ;D).

18 runners is a good start to this series, I shall see what I can do about making it more for the next race and I'll try and sort out getting Suzuka ready asap.

Well for my first ever super endurance, I must say....I'm Knackered  :o

But it was great, loved every minute of it, oh, except the one where shark passed me like I was stood still after Eau Rouge....Not much in the way of racing to talk about, but it was a great experience for the tactical and consistency side of it.

Can't wait for the next one.....I think this will be my favourite series.

Grats to Jeff and the podiums, and well done team pseudo, 4 finishers with 3 in the top 10  ;D.....watch your backs sharks  :P

Yep, looks like a good series  :)

Thanks for bailing Spanner, it would have been close there as not much time to slow down. If anyone wants a good laugh then watch me spin on the warm up lap  ;D

That was a good event, felt shorter than it really was :D.

Surprised with pole position, as the Viper isn't the quickest around Spa and quite a handfull.

Had a good start and could get a gap of 3s on Mike as he was battling with Carl. But my Pirellis worn out quicker than his Michelins, and everytime halfway down my stint my tyres were shot and I was losing. So for the last 15 minutes of my 1st stint, Mike was all over me :D. We both went in the pits at the same time, but I came out 13s ahead  :o.

That stint was quite alone, but again 2nd half of the stint Mike was gaining. I came in with Carl around 20s behind, but he overtook me in the pits and I was standing to get worried...can the Lister really save that much  :o. Alsi Mike was way ahead and I was afraid he already pitted.

But then they had to go in, and I think they went in again after that, and I was leading on TT.

Well done Simon on the comeback, and also Dave on the finish position. Also thanks to everyone who joined and finished...well done.

Just checked the rest of the tarck, ans they all don't like Vipers  ;D

Results and replay up.


:-[ I still don't know quite what happened. I knew there would be a concertina into La Source but got caught out by just how far back it ran. :-[

Opening few laps were difficult as I stuggled to get any temperature in the front tyres at all. Evert shot past in a Lister and I had to adjust my driving style a little to keep Jan at bay as I in turn fought to try and find a way past Pseudo. Spent most of the stint preserving the engine and fuel to stretch things out as far as I could.

In the first stop I switched to soft fronts with more medium rears, and left the slightly damaged front end alone. That felt a lot better but we were now a bit spread out and I never really saw anyone else. At the final stop I stayed on the soft/medium combination but had the damage repaired as I had more than the 6 seconds required in hand - that turned out to be a big mistake as now I had some oversteer and went off a couple of times when it caught me out.

Was looking like 9th until Gazza and Carl had to make late stops, handing me a rather unexpected 7th place. JR and I arranged what was supposed to be a Le Mans-style photo finish but I stupidly crossed the line slightly ahead and had to do an extra lap. Good job I had saved a little more fuel than Shark! :D

Shame it didn't rain, as I started with my rainsetup (softer, higher wing: 2-8). Would have been awesome to see the panic as it started raining and everyone furiously wanted to get back in the pits  ;D

Dunno what happened, but you were clearly behind, I'll create a lapchart to see if you really had to do an extra lap or not  ;D:

(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6387/finish2zm4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

First of all an apology to Carl Hart. Getting in you way after my off was crappy move. Coming back on track it was all I could do to keep the car under control and away from any walls. I wanted to let you pass and went wide into the downhill righthander with the gravel trap. But I saw you weren't taking the spot so I closed the line. After that the rest of the pack was so close I thought it would just risk causing an incident if I let you pass on the little straight with the first section timer. By then Ruskus was getting away and my competetive spirit took over, so I figured I'd let the admins/judges make the call, instead of attempting on-track penance. Well, enough excuses.

Was driving very badly the first few laps until I calmed down. I've done that a few times irl as well, and it's always embarrasing afterwards.

However, after those few laps I had calmed down and was getting comfortable in the car. Ruskus was at a steady 3sec (+/- 0,3) ahead for a while, and Hart varied his gap more, from 1 to 1,8 seconds behind at different places on the track.

I think it was first after 10 laps or so that I started to close in on Ruskus. Once on his tail, I found it very hard to focus on the track, and did the noob thing which is to stare at his car instead. Made some mistakes but I think Jeff did as well so I hung in there. 40 minutes into the race I was right behind him and he put the front wheel on the inside curb on the righthander before the downhill straight. That led to this situation at the end of the straight:
(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2125/mhjroo8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)


But, as you can see from the brake lights, I chickened out  :-[  Held P1 for alll of 0.5 seconds or so  :D

Well, soon after we pitted, where I closed the gap that had been built up by then. So went in right behind Jeff, but came out 12 seconds behind  >:( :-[

And the race went downhill from there.  :'(

Slid wide in T123, or "Red Water" as TT calls it  ;), twice, and then the chicane got me, so picked up a stop and go. Did that, came out, ran a few laps, pitted for tires and fuel, came out again, passed one car and saw I had 42 seconds to the next car, so race was essentially just a cruise to the finish line after that. Tried to set a few fast laps but don't think it was enough to nab the record.

By the end I had trouble keeping the car on track not because of tires or some such but because I was exhausted! If this had been a rain race in 3C temp, I'd have ended it in a wall somewhere, of that I'm pretty certain. Now I just picked up another cut and another stop/go.....Sigh.

Grats to Ruskus. I haven't driven that Viper yet, but I imagine my task was easier, and still I failed. Hats off, quite the performance.



I'm already dreading, but also looking forward to the next race  :D

Thanks for organizing this series, going to be interesting I think.

That was hard work but very good.

Was well pleased with 6th on grid.  Start went ok but looking back i think i was a little too causious at the beginning when i didnt fight much to keep simon behind as i wanted to really look after the car. Pitstops were better for me this time i think coz i did them manually but on the second one i thought i was not gunna make it and i actually ran out of fuel coming down the pit road (lucky its down hill).  

Was holding 8th quite comfortably until i got a slide on in en rouge and got a stop and go with 15 mins left,  came back out in 9th and at one point was right behind 7th and 8th (they must of had an incident) but couldnt catch them but then Carl Hart had an off so i got the 8th place back.

Really pleased to have finnished.

Grats to everyone who finnished and took part,  (well done team psuedo)

Special grats to podium.

I'm still waiting to start raining!  >:(  Was using my mid wet&dry setup as I expected to see at least one shower, but it never came.  :P  Too bad, have I known I'd be driving with my dry setup.  ::)   Not sure if the outcome would be any different, though, Rusky had 25 sec lead at the end.  :)

Had 3 interesting stints. The start went ok, and there were ducks on a string 2-3-4-5.  ;D  Had some close laps with Paul Richards and it was interesting to see how different the cars were. Lister did ok here, I'm glad I took it. 2nd stint was a battle with C.Hart in the same car. He was close all the time but never close enough to pass. Good driving, buddy. Seems like I went last to pit the second time, I added 65 l only. It was juuuust enough - one more lap and I'd be out.  :D
Paul Richards was close again but I was able to maintain a small gap.  :)

Good racing everyone, backmarkers were superb.  8)

TT

Unofficial Lapchart (http://lapcharts.simracing.org.uk/Lapcharts/SE Spa 22-03-2008/index.html)

According to the lapchart, you did good doing another lap, as it shows you did as much laps as me, eventhough I was a lap ahead when we did the Le Mans thingy :D.

I wonder how it works out when you've finished then. ??? I saw the chequered flag come out but only when I finished the next lap did it say race over. ???

O jeez, how could I miss out not noticing this date :'(

That's nothing. I was practicing on Friday and all was well. Saturday, prior to race, nothing was well, couldn't keep the car on track and decided to bail out of the race in order not to endanger others cause there was no way I could find out WHY car's so unstable.

Few hours later... well, let's just say someone was flying forgotten battles on Friday evening and forgot to change pedals back to racing mode/separate axis.

No comment. :-X

 ::) ???

Hey Mike thanks for the appology but dont worry you didnt take me off the track thats the main thing. Quite enjoyed the little race we had too ;) Thanks for a super race guys really enjoyed it and Turetom wow those 10 or so laps we had were great. Good driving mate. Shame i got a drive thru penalty overwise it could have been longer :-[.

Haha that made my day :laugh:

Sorry for the late report! When the race was originally 2:20 I worked out that I could just make it on 3x100ltrs. When it turn out to only be 2:10 I decided that I would not try to work out a strategy and just see what fuel mileage I got during the race. So I left the pit stops set to 2x100 starting on a full tank.

Qualified ok it was pretty close at front end with just a few tenths dividing us. I decided to go very long on the first stint and measure how far I could go. Without a full Motec in the 575 I had to use my watch as a race timer. By going long I would then have a very long pit stop first then have a short middle pit stop coming in when I was able to go the rest of the distance decided by the first stint.

First stint - I always start on a full tank for long races but never had to go a full tank in a GT1. With that in mind I was pretty cautious on the tyres at the start and I slowly drifted back from the front 3. TT was closing in so I ended up driving a little harder than I wanted to. My car went through a horrible stage of bad handling for a few laps and TT really closed up. About half way through my race was nearly ended early. While pushing harder than I wanted I caught the left hand kerb at the top of Eau Rouge and the back end stepped out big time to the right. I caught it but slid onto the slippery surface by the pit exit. I just managed to slow enough to avoid the tyres at the end of the pit lane by the skin of my teeth! Sorry TT if it was a bit of a fright for you! TT sailed by of course. I then continued to fall back form TT but my early cautious driving paid off and I closed back in with a few seconds before TT pitted. I continued on until the tank was nearly empty.

Second Stint - The pit stop was going to take an age re filling but I was able to work out how far I could go on a tank and at what time I could pit again. By running so long I had plenty of fuel in hand for the rest of the race and although I had lost 10 seconds at least to TT I was still in the same position although closer to those behind. I started again a little cautiously which was not needed but I was still thinking of my moment at Eau Rouge I think. Simon then started closing in quickly and I pushed on and made a couple of mistakes and lost more time. Simon was now right behind me but by forcing me to drive quicker my lap times improved and it felt more like the closing stages of a sprint race! Simon continued to apply the pressure but we caught up the car in front by 4 secs or so. I then came in to my pit window with plenty of fuel left but as my lap times were good and the car felt great I stayed out a lap or so longer which also gave me a but of a safety net fuel wise too. Just as I felt the tyres were a little past their best (due to me forcing them with Simons pressure) I hit the pit lane with Simon right behind and he followed me in.

Third stint - I still had 36 ltrs in the tank so the stop was going to be short. It went perfectly and I gained time on Simon and the cars in front. Not sure what happened with new teamie Mike or Carl but I eventually found myself third about 7 secs back to TT. I was closing a bit on TT and car was great but the gap behind me was getting smaller too. Eventually the pale Blue Lambo appeared again in the distance of my Rear mirror. I was going the quicker than I had gone all race and although I was closing in towards TT, Simon was getting closer and closer again (I now know on soft fronts!). Towards the end the gap was still coming down but a lot slower so I pushed on to attack TT. He had too much pace though and although I got the gap down to 3-4 secs I wasn't able to apply any pressure.

Very pleased with third and hopefully I will be able to make some other races in this series. Many thanks to Simon and TT for the battles and to Rusky on the win.