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Title: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on March 24, 2008, 08:24:40 AM +0000
Practice 1:20:00(25 mins)
Qual 2:20:25(30 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT2 or GT3 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.5.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Mugello - download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_mugello)
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Lower Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Championship standings can be found on the series page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=71&theme=3).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and the track (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: psuedo on March 24, 2008, 12:11:59 PM +0000
The server will be set to include the current weather conditions for Mugello on FRIDAY 28th March, leaving 4 days available for those wishing to practice with the Default weather for the sprint race only.

The monday and tuesday following this race will also have default weather only.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: psuedo on March 24, 2008, 03:56:22 PM +0000
I have come to the conclusion that this track is most definately not Viper cc friendly.....Yet another where the pork bellies are going to romp away with it...

Lets have an ENNA soon  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Truetom on March 24, 2008, 05:31:51 PM +0000
I have come to the conclusion that this track is most definately not Viper cc friendly.....Yet another where the pork bellies are going to romp away with it...

Lets have an ENNA soon  ;D

NO!   :helpsmilie:

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: spanner on March 25, 2008, 06:46:09 PM +0000
You can all breath a sigh of relief ;)

 I'll be running in GT3 from now on, when i get chance to race so i'll already be at the back!

So am i the only person to enjoy this track ;D Admittedly its taken a while.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: psuedo on March 26, 2008, 04:17:15 AM +0000
No, I like the track too...but a lot less so in the viper cc :-X


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: psuedo on March 28, 2008, 09:11:57 AM +0000
Real weather upload to the practice server has been postponed untill tomorrow (Saturday) morning as the practice server is currently running Suzuka for tonights test race.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Kerr on March 28, 2008, 12:44:59 PM +0000
The lobby was down earlier so I decided for some practice on my own.

I started a 40 car race set at 120% strength. I hope you guys are not that quick as I got whipped, badly!

I like the track, it requires some interesting lines and braking points etc.

It may be tricky to pass, but it will be possible. If you make a mistake on entry to a corner it almost certainly compromises the next corner too.

I guess the technique will be not to try and force a pass between corners but use the momentum out of the second bend, if you know what I mean. The track does seem like a series of chicanes.

I think it will be fun


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: psuedo on March 29, 2008, 07:27:21 AM +0000
Local Mugello weather file now running on the practice server.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Gazza49er on March 29, 2008, 02:03:34 PM +0000
Whats a good Gt2 time round here?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: psuedo on March 29, 2008, 03:28:19 PM +0000
There was only 1 GT2 in the test race, 1:51:9 qually and 1:53's in race....I would expect the race pace to be closer to the 51's though on Sunday.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Mike Hammer on March 29, 2008, 04:25:59 PM +0000
So very very easy to end up in the kitty litter here. Especially the last turn, where rear end is in danger if you brake early, and going off track by yourself if you brake late. Hope everybody, including me, are careful at this turn.

Can't really find a good brakemarker there. I've been looking at the red thingie in the background and when it goes behind my rearview mirror, but it's not a very good marker.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Paul968 on March 29, 2008, 04:45:14 PM +0000
I would think qually will be 48s and the fastest race lap to be in the low 50s.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Minton on March 30, 2008, 02:33:16 PM +0100
Think GT3 times will be late 55's .


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Jeffrey on March 30, 2008, 04:02:35 PM +0100
Might just pop up in this in the Seat :).

The GP1979's are at Monza and I have to drive the ATS, so that will be awefull :P. I might just wanna give FaG...FreQ a run for his money.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Mike Hammer on March 30, 2008, 10:30:34 PM +0100
I *really* have to learn how to pass lower class cars. Spun or went off not once, not twice, but three times when lapping. Completely my own fault, and I am sorry for the problems I must have caused doing that.

I have to be pleased with finishing position, but it still feels quite disappointing when I knew I had the pace to mix it up at the front.

Also sorry to Spanner, I thought you were giving room there, but once again I thought wrong.



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Kerr on March 30, 2008, 10:40:03 PM +0100
What a truly awful race for me.

Qualified 6th but just could not get my car to go well, but I was far more confident in my race set up.

First lap everyone was following very close.

I had the run on both the BMW's ahead out of last bend but with them holding a slipstream I made a good out braking move first corner but left enough space.

Come second corner I was now on the outside and again tried to leave space. I knew what was coming, it always does, "bang" and that was me up in the air flying deep into the gravel.

It took me ages to get out and I was already about 40 seconds down. I felt like hitting escape right away.

Made a effort to get back into things. I was trying to make my way up the field.

I eventually caught PR. I was about 2-2.5 secs a lap quicker but even in the early stages he was not for letting me past.

Although it was for position it was costing us both huge amounts of time with really only one end result. I was far too quick to hold for too long but the Bi-turbo is too fast on the straight.

I went around the outside only for cotact to be made and further time lost. PR then allowed me in front.

I soon made a stupid mistake and decided to pit slightly early and not try and pass PR again.

The pit crew stood and looked at the car and I was dropping even further behind.

Out on fresh rubber I was catching the leader, at that time, at a really fast rate. Although I was a mile quicker on new tyres he refused to budge.

After nearly running off the track he still tried to hold me behind. He was putting us both at risk for really no reason. Why? Completely pointless!

I eventually got my car back in front and felt a little clip on my rear. I can only say the outcome servers you right.

I was catching up with Jan and Mark McLean. Mark ran off and gave up and I had Jan in my sights.

I then ran off again and those gravel traps are really hard to get out.

That was another 20 seconds lost and just completed what was a horrible race,

The track is actually quite good I just had a race to forget.

Congrats Jeff and SBG



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: psuedo on March 30, 2008, 10:48:18 PM +0100
I had the pace to mix it up front too.....for about 6/7 laps till my badly abused tyres started playing up  :(

Dead chuffed with pole....a pb by nearly 1/2 a second  ;D

Started ok...lapping quite consistent and keeping a steady 1 to 1.5 secs ahed of SBG, but I was pushing a bit to try and get a bit of a lead so that I wouldn't lose out too badly in the pits, and over used my tyres in the first quarter....so ended up visiting the kitty litter a couple of times and lost 4 or 5 places....

Then Mike lapped me, and I lost another 30 seconds or so extracting myself once again from the litter. ::)  ;).....just don't do it on apexes of corners Mike, it nearly always ends in tears.  ;) :)

Never really recovered any rythem back then so finished in my usual sort of place.

Ahh well, It was good praccy for tuesday and next Sunday, where I'm quicker still in the GTC's  :D

Grats to winners and podiums...good race (ish) lol


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: picnic on March 30, 2008, 10:52:54 PM +0100
Replay and Provisional Results posted


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Kerr on March 30, 2008, 10:53:26 PM +0100
Is anybody else having trouble with the replay?

I can't extract the file as it says it's damaged


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: picnic on March 30, 2008, 10:59:55 PM +0100
You've downloaded all 90MB already!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Paul968 on March 30, 2008, 11:01:08 PM +0100
The download terminated early the first time for me too. 2nd time was fine.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: picnic on March 30, 2008, 11:05:44 PM +0100
Is anybody else having trouble with the replay?

I can't extract the file as it says it's damaged

I've now downloaded the whole thing and it opens ok in winrar


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Kerr on March 30, 2008, 11:06:39 PM +0100
It's ok now


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Truetom on March 31, 2008, 12:09:01 AM +0100
What do you eat lately, Picnic? Mind if I have a bite?  ;D  Great driving, buddy.  8)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: H@L9000 on March 31, 2008, 12:55:23 AM +0100
Good race for me  :)

Lots of battles early on with nice driving by all. There was a bit of a hesitant moment near the end of the race going in to the last corner where I made a real mess of letting several battling GT2's pass but it turned out OK just about. Apart from Simon taking advantage  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Paul968 on March 31, 2008, 12:55:56 AM +0100
Unofficial Race Report (http://www.venturesimulations.com/KC/Mugello%20S7%20LE/)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: picnic on March 31, 2008, 08:29:31 AM +0100
What do you eat lately, Picnic? Mind if I have a bite?  ;D  Great driving, buddy.  8)

Thanks TT :) After several really poor races (hate Dubai) last night's race was a pleasant change. I used one of Freq's setups that at least meant the car remained consistent throughout the sessions. The setup is a little loose for my liking but apart from some minor slidey moments in the race it was always under control :) Thanks Freq :D Found it hard to do a quick lap without falling off though. Twice I was only .15 off the pole time at the second split to just fall off :(

Hard place to pass the 'slower' GT3 cars. Thanks due, no real issues with the way it went :) TVM chaps


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on March 31, 2008, 08:44:56 AM +0100
Really tough and enjoyable race that :)

Nice pole from Bob :) Just about impossible to pass a well driven Viper in the 811 and Bob drove his really well for first 6 or 7 laps. However, I did pressurise him as much as I could and would like to think that did for him in the end  ;). Good stuff.

Then, up to pitstop I couldn't really tell where I was in class with Fozz, good to see you back, and other GT2 cars in the mix. Not really surprised to see it was our Paul who was closest and even less surprised when he took 3 seconds outta me in pits. After that gap was down to 2 seconds and the heat was on. Could now see Paul and also note that he was pushing really hard so, instead of settling for second and revelling in a KC 1/2, my ego got the better of me and I pushed as hard as I could. Driving well outta my comfort zone and regularly lapping in the 55's but Paul still gained on me slowly, but consistently, over 10 or so laps. Didn't really have anything left to give as Paul finally closed to a couple of tenths and duly slipped a little through final turn but this must have surprised Paul and he duly slid off as I held my slide :'( Sad end to a great fight and I think we at least deserved to duke it out after that struggle. Pretty much a boring cruise to finish then.

Congrats to JR and our Paul for the amazing pace carrying the bag of spuds :) Lapping was excellent from my point of view and many showed great patience as Paul and I fought our own fight.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Simon Gymer on March 31, 2008, 09:45:55 AM +0100
Well, I decided at the last moment to hop onto the server. No setup, no practice and starting at the back I thought it can only get better from there. I stiffened the rear to the max and softened the front to the max to get the car to turn round the constant barage of twistiness, plonked a load of fuel in, put medium-hards on as usual and hoped for the best.

Picked off a couple near the start and then it was hard work for the rest of the race.

Pit stop was a shambles. I requested my stop but didn't check my blue light, so when I came in I found my space already taken by H@l9000 and so I effectively did a drive through and came back in a lap later wasting me a good 20-25 seconds I would think. Completely my own fault for not paying attention. I thought that would be the end for me, but somehow I was still vaguely in touch with some of the other GT3s and near the end I caught up with 2 of them and sneaked by pretending to be a GT2 behind a couple of team mates as they lapped the GT3s. ;D

Without the extra pit stop I would have finished 3rd in class which would have been a brilliant result considering where i started and how I started. Think the setup needed some work, although not sure what, probably even more stiffness at the rear as there were still a few clicks of rear anti-rollbar I could have added. :o :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Paul968 on March 31, 2008, 10:07:26 AM +0100
Another great scrap on a new track for me. Couldn't get near Pseudo or SBG in qual (great times guys  :thumbup1:) so started just in front of the Vipers of Ted and H@l9000 (hard luck to Dan who started at the back after a late disco). I expected to get gobbled up on the run to T1 but they must have been sleeping a bit because I had no problem. I chased SBG hard, but a bit too hard as it turned out when I put a wheel into the syrup on the outside of the last chicane and got dragged off. After losing a place to Ted I was then under pressure from H@l who had followed me into the syrup. He got past on the outside towards T1 but a late dive down the inside of the heavy Viper got the place back. I then had a lap chasing Ted, and thought I had a chance into T6, but he caught me out by starting to turn in slightly earlier than I expected, so I had to turn into the curb to avoid and promptly spun. The next few laps I had a ding-dong battle with a hard charging Dan working his way up from the back - hard work but great fun  :clap: I managed to fend him off until he made a slip at T1 and dropped back. As the stops approached I was closing a bit on SBG but then had several really bad laps as the lappers came through. What was most frustrating was that most of them then peeled off and pitted before they slowed SBG down - drat!

I almost messed up my pitstop by locking up and sliding sideways into the pits but just kept it facing forwards and had a good stop otherwise. After the stop I closed in on SBG, but it was clearly going to be tough to pass him. I got really close but in the end I went off at the last corner - nothing to do with you Ian, just braked a fraction late. It looked all over at that point, but I kept pushing and the gaps started to come down again. I then seemed to suffer another attack of unfortunate lapping (partly as they passed me and then went off and had to do it again), whereas SBG seemed to have much better luck. Even so the gap was down to 0.6 by the last lap, but I ran out of time and had to settle for 2nd.

Congrats to SBG for yet another win - great consistent driving  :) Also to Jeff for winning in the Seat, which can't be the best car at Mugello. Well done to all the KC lads with another strong showing and especially Mike who looks likely to be challenging for wins very soon. No complaints about the lapping btw - it just fell at the wrong time for me, but that is just racing.

PS You must have better nerves than me Ian if you can finish 0.7 ahead and call it a 'boring cruise to the finish' ! ;)

 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: ginsters sponsored on March 31, 2008, 10:47:00 AM +0100
PS You must have better nerves than me Ian if you can finish 0.7 ahead and call it a 'boring cruise to the finish' ! ;)


Lol, I was speaking relatively there. Your slip meant I could stop driving at my 100% for a few laps which was nice :) I really had shot my bolt trying to hold you off 1st time :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Truetom on March 31, 2008, 11:23:53 AM +0100
Qualified 7th and was able to follow the first group from the beginning. After Kerr situation M3s drove away and I also had a senior moment driving into the sand. Came out behind PRibeiro, Jan and MarkMc.  ::)  Had some close, but safe racing with PRibeiro - man that BiT really pushes on the straights.  :o  Had to seek my opportunity through braking and it went ok. MarkMc kept making sandcastles  :P , but I had more troubles with Jan's Fezza - that car is fast through the flowing corners. Had some close laps with Jan and one SCARRY  :scared:  moment when he decided to pit when I was nearing with slipstream and was going to pass on the right.  :eek:  Decided to stay one lap longer to be sure to have a shorter pit-stop. Pushed too much, binned it and lost 2,5 seconds. So when I came out of the pits I was again behind.  :P  Close racing again and when I finaly passed Jan I had nothing to do but cruise and keep distance from the following car. I tried to push hard for some laps, but was gaining only tenths on Picnic, so I decided to give him a chance to make a mistake.  ;)
Passing other class was fine.  8)  It was amusing to see Shark at some rally driving.  ;D

TT
 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Jeffrey on March 31, 2008, 11:53:30 AM +0100
Hadn't practiced for this and just took my Brno setup with 2-1 wing :D. Felt pretty good but was still understeery in the corners  ;D.

Mike and FreQ got infront at the end of qually. I knew FreQ would do that, as he always does his racelaps in qually as well, and only does quallylap near the end.

The first few laps Mike and FreQ had an increasing gap infront of me. But then Mike started attacking FreQ and I was gaining. Then I was gaining on Mike when he lost some speed, but soon after he drove away again and was right on FreQ's tail. When we met backmarkers he went off and I was behind FreQ. Surprisingly I was only 2,4s behind him, especially when he accidentically started on soft/med combo. His tyres were worn and the last laps of the first stint I was gaining fast on him and the gap was only 1,5s at the stop.

He went in and I knew I would have to go in asap then, so I pitted the nex lap. Came out behind him again, and also behind PR ;D. That's so funny, as 3 races now in this series for me, and 3 times the exact same thing happened. Me and FreQ ending up behind PR after our stops. How big are the odds ;D?

He let us both past and I was following FreQ. I was slowly gaining on him and eventually had a 0,4s gap behind him at the straight. I then used the power and low drag of the Seat to power alongside and outbrake him.

After that I had to push hard to increase the gap as quickly as possible, as the Dunlops wear out 50% quicker than the Michelins. Last few laps I was teaking it carefull as the tyrewear was 25 at the front and it's easy to mess up a whole bunch of corners.

Grats SBG on the GT3 win :).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Ted on March 31, 2008, 02:51:11 PM +0100
Really enjoyed the race again last night - it seemed to be in 3 stages for me.

First half of the race was spent trying to get settled in - I found it hard to judge where to turn in to the corners and consistently seemed to be braking too soon and therefore turning too soon. Sorry Paul if this caught you out early on.

After the pits I came out a few seconds behing Ade, and although I managed to catch him and then pass him, I couldn't get away from him - really enjoyed that part of the race, trying to fend you off in the corners but managing to pull away a bit on the straights.

Then all of a sudden I looked in the mirrors and there was nobody there, so thought I was home and dry, but of course there was Simon catching extremely rapidly. I decided to try to defend my position rather than let him through, and again I hope my driving was fair in doing this.

Managed to hold on (just) for 3rd, but had sweaty palms by the end  :)

Great fun, looking forward to the next one.

Ted



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: spanner on March 31, 2008, 09:36:57 PM +0100
Also sorry to Spanner, I thought you were giving room there, but once again I thought wrong.

It was probably more my fault, looking at the replay again. I had just fallen off at the first corner right in front of Freq(sorry) and had just crawled out and misjudged how close you where in my mirrors which meant you ended up on me right at the wrong place, and it looked like you two were fighting but you were only lapping ::) . I was actually trying to keep to the inside of the second part of the chicane but its alot tighter than i though. 

I lost the front splitter and had already lost temp in the tyres so struggled to carry on for the last 10 mins.

Amazingly the whole field was quite close all the way through so any mistake and someone was though. Early on ade came up behind API and was being held up but i got such a good run on Ade i had to have a go! ( Sorry about that Ade) I decided to make the first stint slightly longer but struggled on worn tyres and amazingly was in 15 before pitting and it was the first time running a 'manual' pit stop but didnt switch the engine off so the pit crew stood there while they barked at me to turn it off! Disappointingly when i came out i was 40 secs behind the one infront but by the looks of things i might have been closer towards the end, oh well..


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Lower Endurance (GT2/3) - Mugello (GP) - Mar 30
Post by: Gazza49er on March 31, 2008, 11:37:13 PM +0100
Great race for me this one. 

Suprised i got into the 49's in qualy but was very nice and could of gone a little quicker apart from a few mistakes.
Race started good but soon had Backo all over me, held him for 4 laps or so untill i made a minor error on the last turn. Settled down and got into a good pace and very consistant laps. I fuelled myself a little heavy for the first stint but went in a couple of laps after the leaders, Backo stayed out a few more and i got back past him as he was exiting the pits. I seem to have got to grips with pitstops now which was letting me down bad in previous races.

Backo caught me pretty quickly and we had a great few laps scrapping but i could see that it was slowing us both down and Picnic was catching us so i made the dicision to let him pass and concentrate on keeping ahead of Picnic. He did catch me for the last few laps but i had just enough to keep infront and then (although i didnt realise till i saw the results posted on here) Backo went off on the last turn of the last lap which gave me a great 4th.

Really enjoyed it and must say the Gt3 guys were excellent as far as i was concerned.

Grats to both podiums.