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Practice 1:	20:10	(10 minutes)	full time drivers only
Practice 2:	20:20	(10 minutes)	reserves may join too
Qual 2:	20:30	(25 minutes)
Race:	20:55	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.5.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)).
Weather: dry
Track: Anderstorp GP
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=68;theme=3).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.

gawd, i loathe this track, so boring to practise on, though ironically i generally have some good battles on track in the race proper here  :P
Definitely my least favourite on the calendar though.  :(

The short versions are great for Alfa racing in GTL  ;D
So much beautiful sliding/drifting around, which the Alfa excels at.

Maybe can be good with GTC65 too, but not so much TC76, so I'm guessing I won't like it much in GTR2 either. But we'll see.

Have to find some time to practice for SE Suzuka and UE-GTC Mugello first though, it'll be a while before I get to try out Anderstorp in GTR.

This track is just like Brno, boring to hotlap, but brilliant for racing. The constant 90 degree corners, followed by straights is not the most creative of designs, but it makes for very good battles and lots of overtaking opporunities. I've also had many a brilliant race at Brno or Anderstorp.

What is this "practise" of which you speak?

Why aren't you lads running the short version tonight?

Missed the last race, sorry chaps - been having issues with faulty RAM in this machine - going to get cracking with installing GTR2, should make this :D

'Cause either short version is a crash-fest in GTR2mobiles.

Good luck to Gothwitch for taking 120 kg :D

I am so sorry. Something lagged just before start and I accidentally hit car in front of me and damaged aerodynamics. I couldn't control my car anymore and I had several contacts with another cars. So I retired not to make more accidents.

Michael Sunny

Line dropped at 21:15. >:( I thought with the switch to IDNet I was past the days of having to bounce the router before a race. :-\

Ran out of talent after Quali ('cause qualifying 2nd last takes a lot of it! :D).

Managed to give someone a tap on Warmup Lap, the nature of online gaming meant a tap at my end was a decent enough hit to make him spear off, waited and let him back in front - but he went off again at the banked turn around halfway round the lap!

Apologies to whoever that was!

Setup killed rears pretty quick and it became quite undriveable, especially after I hit the tyres on the exit of the final turn, got a puncture and knocked off my rear wing...had to retire halfway round the next lap as there was no way I was getting back to the pits without hitting someone! (Managed to avoid it until then, but chose not to risk it anymore!)

Nah - my connections screwed :(

Kept getting booted and when I got back into lobby it would only draw a bit of the list, then the rest appeared a while later. Something's not right. When I did get in eventually, everyone was lagging for me too this time so I left.

I phoned nildram and they say that I haven't been migrated yet, nothing has changed their end and he can see that im getting 4mbs and not getting disconnects too often. I said its not that its disconnecting, its just slow, but he said the line looks OK. Strange how its been rock solid for many years until this last week!

He wants to see a traceroute and ping to the GTR2 server but I told him I don't think I can get that info as its hard-coded into the game.

I know thats not the problem, but they wont investigate this until they have something to look at.

I told him that another online game I play has also been laggy the last week or so, so it must be my end or ISP end but you know what tech support are like at listening!!

Anyway, does anyone know how I can find the IP address of the lobby/game server for GTR2 and GTL please?

Pretty flippin' annoyed at being spun round twice in the same place by the same driver.  I await the replay to make comment.  :P

For once I actually had concentration on my side on a track I know well.  Oh well, roll on Barcelona, I've never raced there before.   :(

What a snooze fest.

Going from left to right as far as possible on the runway was as close as I got to having any fun.
:sleep1: :sleep1: :sleep1:

Good race for me, tho lonely.
Finished with wear of 37 at the front left and was afraid for a puncture ;D.

I saw a few people race around with cars on Dunlops. Not only is that the worst slick, it's also the most difficult to race slick. So if there is another car (same car, different variation) with Michelins, take that one instead as it will make your life a lot easier ;D

Good win Jeff

Pushed hard at the start to hold off Mark and TT which kept me in touch with Dan. He then made a mistake and I was passed. I then expected him to challenge almost immediately so I pushed on and to my surprise I eeked out a small gap to the cars behind. As tyres wore the gap grew a bit so I was able to relax a bit more. Tried to close the gap on Jeff once past half way but he was far too fast to catch. Pleased with second as only set car up at 7pm. 

That was tough ...Chose hards for the rears which didnt work well as the fell to pieces after about 15 mins. Jeff  set of at a crazy pace and managed too hang on for a LAP!! Made a mistake and Paul went through and then found myself holding my team mate up so let him through,  TT caught me and was so much later on the brakes then after a couple of dummies he went through at turn 2  (good move mate  ;))   then it was just a case of trying not to go off at every corner.
Grats to pdium
cheers

Despite what they claim, if your connection to the exchange looks okay but the packets just aren't flowing, you're running on the Tiscali backbone (or they've ferkled their own backbone too).

I don't know Simon....using the Morgan as a lawnmower looked like fun too.... :laugh:

Well what can I say....that was just about my best race ever.  ;D

Didn't really get a clean run in qually so ended up over 1/2 a sec off my pb....11th wasn't too bad though.

Race went....well dead smooth. I never fell off the road and just kept plodding along on mediums all round...no wear to write home about. Had a few hairy moments when Backo's engine blew (unlucky mate  :()....and avoiding a couple of spinners whilst chasing MJ.
Great battle for the last few laps Mark.....kept giving me a sniff then snatching the hanky away, the only way passed would have been through a mistake, and you don't make too many of them.

Dead happy with my highest ever finish...I'm getting better all the time...best watch out when I get a wheel eh!

Grats Jeff and podium

What do you use then Bob??

Lol. See here.

Crazy mate..

Good chase, Dan! Yeah, I could brake much later, almost got caught and had to lock the first time.  :o  Then chose to get alongside and scare ya.  :D 
Made a mistake in the opening turns, had to fight my way up and had some great laps with Legends Steve and Mark.  8)  Had some scarry moments with Luke when we touched but I was able to continue. Then some chase with Dan who was slower in just one corner.   :)
Had a gap of 5 sec to MarkMc and couldn't close it no matter what I did. So I settled for 4th which is superb for Anderstorp.  ;)  Then he made a mistake in the last lap but he managed to stay in front, less than a second difference at finish line. I bet it shortened your life more than one ciggy, eh Mark?  ;D
Grats to podium.  8)

TT

Where to begin?
My quickest lap in qualy so was happy. I'm not sure what happened on the pace lap, sory Dave for hitting the back of you which knocked out your lights and i wasnt sure when the limiter came on as nobodies lights were flashing. Ended up getting caught in peoples accidents in the first few laps and couldnt quite get into a rythm with people taking different lines and speeds. However a few people fell off in front and then managed to get my head down a string a few fastest laps( for me!) in while trying to chase down Munkez who was about 16 secs ahead.

I think via a few lappers and me pushing i manged to close up to the back of Munkez and it looked like you were struggling a bit so i thought i'd just follow you around when you got on the grass before the left hander and i thought i'd give you room and brake early but you braked early and i didnt have anywhere to go! Sorry about that, i should have been more obvious! So after you fell off again and i fell off again  ;) Ended chasing you till the end but thought i'd give you a bit more room!

My medium/hard dunlops worked really well. Havent really run the hards before but they definately helped. I was pushing all race and only the fronts were going abit with the high track temps.

I thought the idea of a michelin shod mosler wasnt applicable this season?

Wow, my best race yet. Qualified 15th, finished 13th, almost clean race throughout (until the very end).

There was some confusion in the end of the warmup lap, a little pileup ahead just before the last corner, got bumped in the rear but no significant damage. After that I got confused with the speed limiter, ending up with a gap ahead and behind. Eventually we got underway.

After a couple of laps I had to yield two places after running T3 a bit wide, regaining position ahead of LeeB after he'd spun the first corner. The race was on after that. He was slowly closing my lead, I could pull away on the straight and he would then catch up. We swapped places a couple of times.

Near the end of the race I was ahead, with the leaders catching up on us. I found myself trying to outrun Ruskus, since LeeB was chasing close behind. This proved futile of course, and I let him pass with two laps to go, LeeB now just a second or so behind. On the final lap I again made a mistake in T3 and he was breathing down my neck on the straight. The exact same situation in the beginning of the race in my mind, I kept a close eye on him in the mirror. A bit too close, since I missed the brake point and ran straight into the gravel trap. He probably would have had me in the corner anyway, so no damage done there.

Best results and cleanest race so far for me, looking forward to the Endurance race with the same car!

I believe that may of been me Steve. I cant be sorry enough and cant feel like much more of a p**t, both times it was my fault and just over cooked it that little too much on the brakes, no excuse that can regain you the positions lost on track. Very very sorry mate  :'(, I will be awaiting sanction from moderators for both incidents. Hope you can accept my apologies and I will steer well clear at Barcelona  ;)

Why did the server say: Standing start?

Qually 7th with my PB and was soon up to 5th after a couple of cars went off in front of me and just kept going down after that. Got back to 6th and held it there for a while and had a few good battle and sadly hit Steve up the rear twice in the same place, feel ike a right twat after that. With about 20 mins left tyres were tarting to feel cooked and I spun twice, went in the kitty litter once aswell and dropped to 11th.
Not the best of nights for me.

I must've clicked the wrong GTR2 Manager link. :-[

Replay and result now up.


Not really your fault - the field just ground to a standstill behind the final corner. Then whoever was in front of me left an enourmous gap when we did start. :-\

LOL, well that did wake me up momentarily. ;D

Every right hand corner was like trying to drive a car with an anchor attached. My left front was so worn after only a few laps that it didn't matter how I turned in or exited the corner the car just didn't want to turn right and that made driving not fun at all.

wow, what a race that was! :o and i didnt even expect to last longer than the opening grid as i was getting awful warping from cars in front of me and almost constant 'game re-synching' messages at turn1 and final corner early on.

Qually was well off my offline PB's, but i found the whole wobbly online experience very offputting and un-settling so was happy to get some late quicker runs and qually 8th just behind Steve and more importantly...in front of shark ! 8)

During the race, the connection stayed stable until people started quitting the race, then i would suffer serious warpage behind TT and Steve and i kept having to back right off in case i rear ended a teamie  :(  this kept putting me back into the clutches of shark and losing me valuable seconds when i really wanted to put Steve and Luke under pressure.
Gradually the line stabilised and i was able to close on them again and i enjoyed some great battles with Steve and Luke whilst Shark kept a menacing stance behind me for lap after lap.
I then saw my teamie get clattered up ahead at the final corner..on two seperate occasions by the same opponent  :nono: allowing me to slip past and chase after TT and Dan Minton
I closed to within a couple of secs of Dan on final laps whilst fending off tough assaults from Pseudos Fezza and suffering worn tyres. (21 on both lefts). A couple more laps would have been very interesting for the 3 of us with Psuedo breathing down my neck.

Good result at a tough track with TT 4th and my 6th   8)

but it should have been at least 4th,5th and 6th with Steve included, and maybe we could have been even higher without connection problems and contact on track.

Great driving gents  and congrats to the podium  :thumbup1:

Yet again an awful night for discos and synchronising for many drivers...any insight into why this is suddenly happening? Seems a bit of a coincidence that so many of us are having problems. Like Baracus, my problems have only started in this last few days since thursday. What actions can i take my end?..if any? I pay for a premium ISP (Fast.co.uk).

You can do a traceroute to the game server, mine is


Not sure if one must keep in touch with the lobby during the race, if so that trace might be important. I expect they can learn something from such a trace but with all the traffic shaping some ISPs do I suspect a ping is fairly low on the food chain. Thus potentially a pessimistic view of what's happening.

From the back of the grid, the formation lap was certainly, er "entertaining", though I can't say the back of the grid needed to be pushed even farther behind the front due to these events!  :D 

The good news was I finished the race (no "Connection Lost"!), made contact with no other cars, and believe I didn't inconvenience anyone on any 'rejoins' (I have the 90-degree look Left/Right .plr mod to thank).

The bad news is that I have a steep learning curve in front of me with respect tyre models and car setups.  The Porsche GT3 RS with Dunlop tyres--which I didn't realise were on the 'default' car selected (I've only driven Michelins/Pirellis previously)--turned the Porsche into an evil-handling pig after 1/3 of the way into the race, and I was getting massive corner exit oversteer which resulted in numerous 'offs'.  Trying various strategies to 'drive around' the problem just made me slower and slower . . .  I'm a bit befuddled, as I finished the race with tyre-wear numbers no worse that '19', and never had worse than 'orange' displaying on any tyre throughout the race.  Should I try a different car/tyre combination next race, for greater 'stability'--possibly the Vertigo?  Any hints welcomed.

Your Backmarker

Unofficial Race Report (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.harrington/Anderstorp%20S7%20S/)

Thanks for the info Bob. I'm thinking its not really going to help Nildram though becuase other games have all been laggy this week too to the point of unplayable yesterday - never ever seen it this bad.

Anyway can;t be arse to deal with them any more as they have been most unhelpful so I've signed up to fast.co.uk today which should be active next Wednesday. There might then be the horrid 10 days of testing my line for the max reliable speed so still might not be able to game until that has settled down... but its not going to stop me trying! :D

I went for the top service at Fast (£50 a month) with the 830kbps upload speed which should help too with a bit of luck. Digits Crossed :)

Is it time we tried all using Cable/ADSL as the setting in game instead of ISDN? Does anyone know why we use ISDN?

Coz thats what it says in the rules?

To limit the load on the server. The assumption was always that the server was always the weak link in the chain, so telling it to communicate with clients using any more bandwidth than was absolutely necessary seemed a bad idea.

Is that an issue anymore? Our server is pretty good and so is the bandwidth.

Just thinking that maybe cause we are all using ISDN that we're effectively throttling what our clients can do and maybe ISDN isn't enough for the big grids? I dunno, just trying to throw some ideas into the mix. Most likely is it's the internet and it sucks and what can you do.

My understanding was ISDN uses less bandwidth and thus stress everywhere on the system. The race experience always seemed better by us consolidating on a particular speed. I'm always game to try these things as you might get less car jitter sending more data in the same time frame but if you warp I don't think it's because 1 update packet was lost but several. Upping the amount of data you send in any time period when none gets through will make sod all difference.

If we could arrange a test race where we had a full grid, otherwise what do we really learn, for a decent length race we could see what the difference is. I can however can assure you that if your ADSL line resets you will still get chucked  ::)

The RS is a pretty hard to handle car, especially on Dunlops. Dunno if there is a RS on Michelins, if so, try those first and check out the difference.

Vertigo is very stable and very good in corners, it just lacks straightline speed.

Other good/stable GTC cars are the Mosler and Nissan 350Z.

There was 8 of them on Michelins last night...(going by the info above)  ;)

Cheers for that, gents--I'll have a look at all three types!   :)

I don't trust the info above  ::) :P ;)

I just checked and I have no reason to suspect that any of the RS information is wrong, and every reason to believe it to be right. If you know different please tell us what is wrong so that we can fix it - don't paint us as incompetents or liars. ::)

there is one 'stock' RS available with Michelins in the game and its that car we wisely used as the model for our Legends RS fleet  8)

Because it's George's job and no-one elses!
(http://www.topplebush.com/images/bs_incompetent.jpg)

I was so stupid not to check the info above so I needed a quick excure, mr Bush  ;D

Thankyou, Mark J--I shall hunt down the said one-and-only stock RS with Michelins, and she'll be mine.  Let the painting commence! ;D

I did stick incident reports in Luke, but no hard feelings, we all make occasional misjudgments.  Then we learn and improve after recovering from the moderators' big stick if they choose to use it.  ;)

I thought I might have clipped Shark's car at T1 after the second contact, in the red mist that descended, and I am very relieved to see that it didn't cause too much of a problem.  I retired straight after as I was in no fit state to carry on racing.   :P

I have received the incident reports, and deffinetly no hard feelings, as I have already said I feel a right twat and it was just pure coinsidence that it was the same driver and the same turn. It was simply a misjudgement braking and the tyre wear didnt help too much but still I screwed up and will deffinetly learn from it and hope it never happens again.

R.I.P. Luke#69's pride  ;D