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Title: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 03, 2008, 06:29:36 PM +0100 Quote WELCOME TO THE GREEN HELL! - ‘GTR Evolution’ for PC from SimBin Delivers Horsepower-Heavy GT and WTCC Extreme Cars, plus Germany ’s Notorious Nordschleife Circuit - SimBin Studios AB today announced the forthcoming release of GTR Evolution. Developed by the multiple award winning Swedish studio SimBin Development Team and published by SimBin Studios AB, GTR Evolution takes GT and WTCC Extreme cars to the Green Hell of Nordschleife, the holy grail of racing. Available as a stand alone game and also as an expansion pack for SimBin’s 2007 title RACE 07, GTR Evolution is scheduled for launch in 2008. In addition to many other tracks, players of GTR Evolution will drive the modern version of the monumental track of Nürburgring Nordschleife along with the Nürburgring GP layout. Dubbed “The Green Hell” by racing legend Jackie Stewart, the track is revered and feared as the most difficult and treacherous track ever built. “As the first PC game developer to get exclusive access to this track for reference, SimBin has been given a solid ground to work from and we hope that we will be able to give our fans a real hell, so to speak”, said Jay Ekkel with a smile, Producer at SimBin Development Team AB. GTR Evolution for PC comes with 22 GT car models in 3 different classes plus a selection of exclusive production cars. Further to this SimBin adds WTCC Extreme, tuned concept cars based on the FIA WTCC cars. “With rear wheel drive, extended body-kits and over 600hp the WTCC Extreme cars will give the GT cars a run for their money, said Diego Sartori, Creative Director at SimBin Studios AB. GTR Evolution will be available as a stand alone game including all RACE 07 content, all in all 49 unique cars in 12 classes with over 500 variations and 19 tracks in over 40 different layouts including the new and legendary Nürburgring Nordschleife. A GTR Evolution expansion pack for existing owners of RACE 07 will also be available. “This is the biggest game ever from SimBin and a must have for all gamers and we hope that GTR Evolution will satisfy all race fans since it is packed with a broad variety of cars and new features that should attract the gamer that wants to have it all in one high quality game”, says Henrik Roos, CEO of the SimBin Group of companies. Scheduled for launch in 2008, GTR Evolution is distributed by Atari in Europe, Viva Media in the US and Akella in Russia . The release is scheduled for 2008 with detailed info to follow. About the SimBin Group SimBin Development Team AB is a Swedish game developer founded in 2003 and is a subsidiary of SimBin Studios AB. SimBin Development Team AB handles all the game productions in the group and develops racing games for all leading platforms. SimBin Studios AB is the mother company, responsible for the publishing and IP rights for all productions developed within the SimBin group. SimBin Studios AB is also responsible for Business Development, Finances, Marketing, PR and administration. The SimBin group is a privately owned group of Swedish companies that occupies a total staff of 70 people, consisting of 50 employees and 20 distributed consultant’s world wide. In the SimBin portfolio you will find award winning racing titles like “GTR – The FIA GT Racing Game”, “GT Legends”, “GTR 2 – The FIA GT Racing Game”, “RACE – The WTCC Game” and RACE 07 – The WTCC Game”. GTR and RACE are registered trademarks owned by the SimBin group. For more info : http://www.simbin.com Best Regards: Mikkel Gram-Hansen Mikkel Gram-Hansen Web Manager Mobile +66 87 28 38 945 E-mail: [email protected] SimBin Studios AB Stora Torget 4 | 534 31 Vara | Sweden Phone: +46 512 819 70 Fax +46 512 197 39 www.simbin.com So I guess this is GTR3. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on April 03, 2008, 09:07:17 PM +0100 That's a shame, they're basing it on RACE 07. Won't be worth it with that in mind as it's light years behind GTR2 for feel and gameplay so I'm not dropping GTR2 just for some new models when the game is not as good.
I'd really hoped GTR3 (Evolution as they're calling it) would be based on the GTR2 engine and not the RACE 07 engine. Poop, looks like GTR2 will be the last decent GT racing game. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Truetom on April 03, 2008, 09:17:19 PM +0100 I feel same as you, Sharky. :(
TT Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 03, 2008, 09:31:56 PM +0100 I'll be waiting to try it before jumping to any conclusions. I still suspect that part of the problem in Race '07 is how the car physics are modelled - if this is partly a port of GTR2 cars plus some new ones it might feel like a totally different game.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: EdamSpeed on April 03, 2008, 11:17:27 PM +0100 Part of the reason for GTR1, GT Legends, and GTR2's "feel" was the prople behind it - Simbin as was, now Blimey.
The Simbin of now created Race07, and while I have to agree that Race07 doesn't feel the same as GTR2, lets not forget that the cars involved were wholly different.. Up until now that is.. I'm curious to know how the GTR cars will fit into the game environment that the new Simbin has created. You never know - they may be able to show us a thing or two, and if may offer a completely different feeling to the Race07 cars we currently have. Remember that underlying all this, the game engine is essentially the same gMotor2. Provided they put the right figures into the game, it should feel 'right'. And if this does well in sales, who knows - we might get another dose of the GTR series when Simbin move to the Lizard engine. We'll see :) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Mark J on April 04, 2008, 12:37:19 PM +0100 sounds interesting, wonder if they will release a demo of this add-on so we can try before we buy ?
I havent used Race enough to comment on the physics. Whats the problem with them then Simon? The few go's ive had with a couple of car types felt okay but not pushed anything hard and have got no comparison benchmarks for cars like caterhams, Rads etc. not having driven any of them. I thought you and DG tried them out at Brands before release? didnt you get an inkling then that not all was well? Are the WTCC cars very wrong then? Not even tried them. I'm wary of slating the physics since thinking GTR2 was too easy when we first got it only to find the cars were easier to drive but not to drive very 'fast'. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on April 04, 2008, 12:46:35 PM +0100 The cars don't "feel" quite right and the ultimate test of what happens on the edge of grip is that they act oddly. Hard to explain, but there's something just not right about the physics and feel.
Sure I've had fun with RACE 07 (and will continue to do so), but it just doesn't feel right compared to GTR2. The WTCC cars especially are odd. On the limit you seem to be able to do very unrealistic movements with the car that should be spitting it off into the gravel. It's like it's almost pinned to the floor in the middle of the car somehow and there's some canned extra grip somewhere that helps spin control. It's a little odd. The best feeling cars in RACE 07 are the Caterhams (once you've removed the understeer in the default setups). They are really the only cars in RACE 07 that makes me think the engine isn't as odd as I think it is. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Mark J on April 04, 2008, 02:08:11 PM +0100 must admit when i tried the caterhams, they felt how i imagined they should. :-\
My big fear with Simbin, and its reflected with the interface and certain features of Race, is that they are steering towards the arcadey/games console market with these supposed racing 'sims'. I know its all about shipping units at the end of the day to them, but they should at least provide a full 'simulation' or arcade option so we are all catered for, not a mish mash of the two. Copping out on physics to enable a 10 year old to play is never going to guarantee continued success. I hope the new release feels great, be cool to have a proper nordschliefe and use of the newer rain /graphic features with our GT cars. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on April 04, 2008, 02:25:09 PM +0100 Strange, I feel pretty much the same with Race 07, something not quite right but nothing you can actually put a finger on. It does IMO feel a little more arcady than GTR2....as said above, so that the younger generation can handle it too.
So basing evolution on the race 07 game instead of GTR2 will be a mistake by Simbin as far as serious simmers are concerned. I would like to see them spend some time updating the cars, physics etc to represent the current GT championships....work on improving what they have already made sucessful instead of using time and resources to do something 'new'. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on April 04, 2008, 04:02:22 PM +0100 I would think the split between Simbin and Blimey (the coders of GTR2) means they either can't use the GTR2 source code to add on top of to make GTR3 or won't use the GTR2 source code to make GTR3.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Tibernius on April 04, 2008, 04:49:04 PM +0100 I would think the split between Simbin and Blimey (the coders of GTR2) means they either can't use the GTR2 source code to add on top of to make GTR3 or won't use the GTR2 source code to make GTR3. I'd bet on the first. If the coders leave the work remains theirs, so SimBin would likely have to pay royalties. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 04, 2008, 05:01:40 PM +0100 I'd bet on the first. If the coders leave the work remains theirs, so SimBin would likely have to pay royalties. Most unlikely - an employer normally retains the retains all rights to code written by its employees. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Tibernius on April 04, 2008, 05:09:00 PM +0100 Good point, I thought SimBin were the publishers but they aren't. :-[
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: spanner on April 04, 2008, 06:10:05 PM +0100 There has been no mention of official cars or if its based on a real life series so i'm more inclined to think they wont be espiecially with the logitech skin i've seen. Plus with the WTCC extreme class i think its going a bit console'y and they will make the wtcc extreme cars compete on track with the gt cars.
So they dont have the FIA licence then? Err.. no'ones mentioned the fact they are going to model the Nordschleife which i would have thought people would rave about. Isnt that what people have been asking for, for so long? Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on April 04, 2008, 08:21:40 PM +0100 Err.. no'ones mentioned the fact they are going to model the Nordschleife which i would have thought people would rave about. Isnt that what people have been asking for, for so long? Zzzzz. Rubbish track for online racing. Ultimate real world track? I think not, it's just some fantastic B-Roads. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Mark J on April 05, 2008, 10:47:47 AM +0100 err, tell that to the hundreds of thousands of people who go to watch the 24hr races there every year Simon :o, not to mention the thousands who trek across to take their cars on the mystical ring.
Like all historic tracks its not just about the track layout, its all the history, reverence and nostalgia that goes with it. 8) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 05, 2008, 11:03:56 AM +0100 Like all historic tracks its not just about the track layout, its all the history, reverence and nostalgia that goes with it. 8) Last year's 24H race included about 6 hours in the pits whilst the circuit was shrouded in fog. Like Monaco, an epic place to drive, but the romance and history hide the simple fact that they're appalling places to actually race. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on April 05, 2008, 11:19:21 AM +0100 It's become so much of a myth that most of it's reputation is in the myth itself. It's a con. Yes I'm sure it's a great set of back roads for hammering your car round, but racing circuit for fun and exciting racing it is most definitely not.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Clive Loynes on April 05, 2008, 11:49:43 AM +0100 Hehe
I'm with the Gymer clan. You can't call either of them a race circuit. OK for hot lappers with too much spare time on their hands. ;D Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on April 24, 2008, 05:34:43 PM +0100 More screenshot (and a chance to improve your Dutch ;)):
http://www.insidegamer.nl/pc/gtrevolution/screenshots/ Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Mark J on April 25, 2008, 10:45:00 AM +0100 looks mighty tasty in the screen shots. Aston Martin...mmm :-*
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Truetom on April 25, 2008, 11:26:36 AM +0100 I'm waiting for physics. :) The driving feeling should be at least as good as GTR2. For me Race doesn't reach as high. :(
TT Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: D_Nichols on April 25, 2008, 12:55:02 PM +0100 I'm not impressed by the graphics in those shots and likewise TT I'm anxious to know what the physics will be like. I'm all for fantasy cars (the Koenigsegg) but I will not suffer any fantasy handling and behaviour.
I notice the number plates on the latest screenies have "GTP" above them (or is it on them?). Does this relate to the class name, ie Grand Touring Prototype? A way of getting away from the GT1/2 of the FIA? Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on April 25, 2008, 01:01:53 PM +0100 It's an addon for RACE 07 so it's going to have RACE 07 physics.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jimmie on April 27, 2008, 06:07:47 PM +0100 Damn... No official liveries on those screenshots ruined my hope :-\
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: linco24 on May 26, 2008, 12:15:49 PM +0100 What should I buy then if I want to also compete in the RACE series on here? This or the 'old' RACE 07 game?
Colin Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 26, 2008, 12:24:54 PM +0100 What should I buy then if I want to also compete in the RACE series on here? This or the 'old' RACE 07 game? Yes, however... I hate to have to say it, but unless there's a sudden massive increase in participation I'd rather return the alternate Tuesday night slot to GTR2after Season 2 has ended as the Race '07 events haven't been well attended. Who knows what effect GTR Evo will have. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: JPS on May 29, 2008, 02:23:10 PM +0100 It's an addon for RACE 07 so it's going to have RACE 07 physics. The hands and minds that crafted GTR2 are not the hands and minds behind Race 07 Evo.......... :'( Its not just the physicis that are not as good in Race 07, but the overall feel, sound and look is not quite as good, sad, especially when one considers the time gap in productions :o. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on July 19, 2008, 10:21:02 PM +0100 Here is an onboard video of a Saleen at Nurby. Looks awefull and on rails (oh, and the driver sucks :P)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbdDKBsergk&eurl And some more footage: http://www.virtualr.net/category/gtr-evolution/ Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on July 19, 2008, 11:14:47 PM +0100 good grief ::)
That looks sooooo arcadish its untrue.....I remember seeing something like it once before.....on my sinclair spectrum Zx80 ;) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Joss on July 20, 2008, 01:09:38 AM +0100 What should I buy then if I want to also compete in the RACE series on here? This or the 'old' RACE 07 game? Colin If you're thinking of getting something other than GTR2, I'd go with Rfactor. Maybe iRacing.....if you can afford to be ripped off. Race 07 had good WTCC's but precious little else. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on July 20, 2008, 08:30:50 AM +0100 Here is an onboard video of a Saleen at Nurby. Looks awefull and on rails (oh, and the driver sucks :P) That is almost definitely the AI driving. The utter utter smoothness of steering is almost certainly not human, so that'll probably explain the on-rails look. You also don't know, if that is a human driver, what aids are turned on, they might have all of them turned on. :) I don't think screenshots or videos will ever draw you any conclusions on anything other than graphics and maybe sound. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: TinMan on July 20, 2008, 09:24:15 AM +0100 Look on the bright side - they wont charge you a year's subscription and they will let you race all the cars on all the tracks a)without "training" and b)without paying any extra cash.
TC Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Linus27 on July 20, 2008, 10:21:24 AM +0100 The annoying thing with GTR Evolution is there is a chance that my name is in it as one of the drivers. Simbin asked the GB-GTL league for the name of some of its drivers so they can put some real life names in it and my name was put forward. On that basis, I hope its a great game and worth getting but to be honest, I don't play Race 07 so I would probably not play GTR Evolution.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: spanner on July 20, 2008, 10:44:33 AM +0100 If you reduced the camera movement in gtr2 it wouldn't look to different. The only noticeable thing i didnt like was the gear change animation which looks rubbish.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on July 20, 2008, 10:51:23 AM +0100 I didn't like the graphics at all. The colours are very plain and don't look too sharp. Also the track looked very boring with lack of detail, and the car's interiour with the hands was horrible.
Nordschleife also doesn't look that good, so I really don't see any reason why to get this crap. It basically offers what GTR2 already offers, but GTR2 does it with a whole lot better physics and graphics. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: JPS on July 20, 2008, 11:00:54 AM +0100 All that glitters is not gold!!!...as the old saying goes..
It looks like the car is stood still and the road is moving in front of it....Bizare!! Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on July 20, 2008, 06:55:13 PM +0100 I have spoken to one Dutch beta tester and he even says the physics will be better than GTR2. He was my teammate at Benelux Endurance Series and one SSCA race. So I know he is for real and he is bloody quick (he won last SSCA race), so there is actualle a sparkle of hope for this title :P.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jimmie on July 22, 2008, 05:23:39 PM +0100 As the current graphics state, it might be better to port the Evolution cars to GTR2 incl. Nurby :o
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on July 23, 2008, 06:39:35 PM +0100 Here is a preview. Apparantly, this game will be harder than GTR2, which sounds good to me, as GTR2 was sometimes a bit too forgiving.:
http://www.insidesimracing.tv/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=159&Itemid=222 Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: JPS on July 23, 2008, 07:53:43 PM +0100 ....Hmmmm... :-\
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on July 23, 2008, 07:59:38 PM +0100 Quote as GTR2 was sometimes a bit too forgiving.: Hey, it's not dead yet.......iBoring is doing it's bit but it's still number 1 in my book ;) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Don on July 23, 2008, 08:04:51 PM +0100 Quote as GTR2 was sometimes a bit too forgiving.: Hey, it's not dead yet.......iBoring is doing it's bit but it's still number 1 in my book ;) Lol, that might be because you haven't had the chance to try iRacing yet! It's anything but boring driving the Skip Barber around ::) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on July 23, 2008, 08:14:08 PM +0100 Hey, it's not dead yet.......iBoring is doing it's bit but it's still number 1 in my book ;) It's dead to me...as I can't simrace :taz: Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: ginsters sponsored on July 23, 2008, 10:03:04 PM +0100 Has anyone tried the Race minis since last patch? Might just be me (not unusual for me to be way off the mark ;)) but its improved beyond all recognition. It feels weighty and connected to the road which it certainly wasn't before.
Wasn't that bothered about this add on but after a mini race tonight I'm midly excited :) That review is interesting as well, a Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on July 23, 2008, 10:10:32 PM +0100 I think someone has stolen Jeff and replaced him with someone who does u-turns as well as the Labour goverment.
Quote I really don't see any reason why to get this crap. It basically offers what GTR2 already offers, but GTR2 does it with a whole lot better physics and graphics. to... Quote so there is actualle a sparkle of hope for this title. Apparantly, this game will be harder than GTR2, which sounds good to me, as GTR2 was sometimes a bit too forgiving. So I'm now waiting for the finale of this bizarre twist, perhaps it will be... Quote Best racing game ever made, brilliant handling, physics, graphics and sound. Personally, the videos have done nothing more than re-iterate that it looks like RACE 07 with different cars, so no reason to buy it. Pictures and videos are worthless without a demo. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on July 23, 2008, 10:20:19 PM +0100 That was before I spoke to that guy and saw that preview. I agree, the final verdict can only be done when we actually play it, but that's why I said there is a sparkle of hope. didn't say it was good yet, just that my first verdict might have been too harsh.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jimmie on July 28, 2008, 10:58:37 PM +0100 Here is a preview. Apparantly, this game will be harder than GTR2, which sounds good to me, as GTR2 was sometimes a bit too forgiving.: http://www.insidesimracing.tv/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=159&Itemid=222 I got excited by this vid :clap: It seems they have balanced out the GTR classes as well, just like SRou does, so that should give some good close racing. On the other hand I rather have realism and GTR3, but maybe that's something for the Lizard engine in the far future :o Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on August 05, 2008, 07:42:16 AM +0100 Here is a vid that found it's way to the internet a bit too early :D. There is one whole lap at Nordschleife, with a different car for some parts. Physics look better now, less planted and more alive. It was recorded by using the replay, so some stuff are not visible, like MOTEC:
Download links: http://rapidshare.de/files/40160413/EVO_one_lap_around_the_Nordschleife_compilation.rar.html http://uploaded.to/?id=xxuy5x http://files.filefront.com/EVO+one+lap+around+the+Nonrar/;11361336;/fileinfo.html http://www.megaupload.com/nl/?d=3UNI4GF0 http://divxvine.com/jm8su91fo7qi/EVO_one_lap_around_the_Nordschleife_comp.avi.html Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: OSiriS on August 05, 2008, 12:51:11 PM +0100 The driving model looks a bit better than previous videos, but the cockpits are terrible, as are those skid sounds.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jimmie on August 06, 2008, 09:01:07 PM +0100 Car sound is good (GTR2 style), skidding sounds are terrible, they sound like a zerg swarm, cockpit quality terrible, don't even match GTR2 (well maybe the 350z which got a terrible quality interior graphics wise as well). Track quality average, below GTR2.
That's a bit of a disappointment, at least the physics look ok. EDIT: well I reached the DBR9 and Spyker part in the vid and have to come back to the "Car sound is good" part, they both sound terrible and way off :o Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on August 20, 2008, 12:59:21 AM +0100 due for release on the 28th August.....as said on the Atari website.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: JPS on August 20, 2008, 06:43:42 PM +0100 due for release on the 28th August.....as said on the Atari website. Any news of a demo? :) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on August 22, 2008, 12:04:12 PM +0100 Well, it has been released in Germany, and some other places ::).
What I heared is that the tyres have around 10-15% less grip, but the way they go over the limit feels better than GTR2. Cars are around 2-3 seconds a lap slower than in GTR2, so the ingame times match reallife laps more. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Kerr on August 22, 2008, 12:13:47 PM +0100 I've heard a few people say it's available in a few countries now.
I see R2P have already started races for it, but no doubt it will be a bit lonely for the 1 subscriber Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: EdamSpeed on August 22, 2008, 02:17:02 PM +0100 Hmm, no night racing (not that we did that much of it here), and the races can only be 120 mins in length, so I'm told. Bit of a disappointment on those two counts.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: spanner on August 23, 2008, 07:48:35 AM +0100 Is it available seperately if people have bought Race07 already? Seems strange if you have to pay full price if you already have 2/3 of the content already!
Wouldnt mind a demo of some of the new cars to compare with GTR2. Though to behonest it would depend on its poplularity here as to whether i buy it or not. Though i wonder if we will see some of the cars soon in GTR2... Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on August 23, 2008, 10:41:36 AM +0100 Its available as a full game including all the race 07 content...but also as an addon for those that already own race07
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 23, 2008, 11:27:42 AM +0100 MJ will object to the lack of Porsches - it does seem a bit odd that they've included most of the cars from the GT Open (eg. the Sunred thing, which sounds brilliant!) but not any Porsches or Ferraris.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on August 23, 2008, 11:37:10 AM +0100 Blimey have the Ferarri contract...that could be a stopper for simbin....and I would drop porka's too ;) :laugh:
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 23, 2008, 12:13:41 PM +0100 Blimey have the Ferarri contract...that could be a stopper for simbin....and I would drop porka's too ;) :laugh: SimBin still have the FIA GT licence though which must include an agreement with the manufacturers to allow any cars in the series. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on August 23, 2008, 01:56:46 PM +0100 Maybe there will be a Ferarri pack...and a Porka pack....and a.......(you get my drift) at a price a little later
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on August 27, 2008, 09:31:36 AM +0100 Unofficially I've had a go with GTR Evo.
Essentially my view is that if Simbin think they are going anywhere but backwards with it then they may as well give up now. What passes for a new game is basically a load of rubbishly modelled new cars and one new track. It's so bad I've had one go on it and didn't want another. Poor work indeed. It is RACE 07 with a load of cobbled together extra cars that don't really fit with each other in a zillion new categories. The sounds are wierd as heck. Engines are nice, but there's some wierd crackling noises which I think are supposed to be the sound of the tyres, but it just sounds like there is a family of squirrels in the car cracking nuts whilst you drive. Still no working headlights, graphics looking even more dated than before and the car skins look rushed. Essentially though the handling is basically RACE 07 with different cars and that's it. Doesn't feel right and certainly doesn't feel half as good as GTR2 either. If this were a game on the PS3 to play with the pad then I'd be quite happy with it, but as a simulation on the PC it sucks. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Truetom on August 27, 2008, 09:35:57 AM +0100 After Race07 demo I decided I'm not getting anywhere near Evo. Glad I was right, but not glad considering the route of Simbin development. :(
TT Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on August 27, 2008, 09:51:07 AM +0100 Have they done another Race 07 and included the names of Sim Racing drivers? If so I'd have to get it if I got included this time ;) Otherwise the next year is iRacing ;D
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on August 27, 2008, 09:58:27 AM +0100 Have they done another Race 07 and included the names of Sim Racing drivers? If so I'd have to get it if I got included this time ;) Otherwise the next year is iRacing ;D Didn't check, LOL. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: EdamSpeed on August 27, 2008, 11:05:42 AM +0100 Have they done another Race 07 and included the names of Sim Racing drivers? If so I'd have to get it if I got included this time ;) Otherwise the next year is iRacing ;D Yes they have. I'm in it for sure - driving a Vertigslow ;) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Kerr on August 27, 2008, 11:21:03 AM +0100 Have they done another Race 07 and included the names of Sim Racing drivers? If so I'd have to get it if I got included this time ;) Otherwise the next year is iRacing ;D Yes they have. I'm in it for sure - driving a Vertigslow ;) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on August 27, 2008, 11:32:01 AM +0100 Yes they have. I'm in it for sure - driving a Vertigslow ;) Were you in Race 07 or is this a new addition? Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: EdamSpeed on August 27, 2008, 05:12:36 PM +0100 New addition. Can't tell you any more names though, as I don't have the game as yet.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on August 27, 2008, 06:41:10 PM +0100 Have they done another Race 07 and included the names of Sim Racing drivers? If so I'd have to get it if I got included this time ;) Otherwise the next year is iRacing ;D No you're not in it Pete. There are no new Team Shark guys and tbh I didn't recognise any of the other names other than Gregor Huttu. ;D Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on August 27, 2008, 06:44:40 PM +0100 Thanks Simon, that'll save me 18 quid or whatever the game costs then :D
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on August 30, 2008, 06:22:52 PM +0100 released on steam on the 1st sept...$24.99 about 12 quid for the expansion version.
not too bad compared to the cost of some other recent driving sims. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Linus27 on August 31, 2008, 02:32:19 PM +0100 My name was put forward but not sure if I made it into the game. I know Davor got in as I have seen a screen shot of him in the game also driving a Vertigo.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: BillThomas on September 02, 2008, 08:10:16 PM +0100 Did GTR Evo happen yesterday as promised? ::)
Only I've not received my Expansion Pack yet :( and there are no favourable or adverse comments on here - just a deathly hush. ??? Bill Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on September 02, 2008, 08:13:12 PM +0100 :ninja:
I haven't even looked to be honest.....I'm hanging fire because of.... https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5168.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5168.0) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: BillThomas on September 02, 2008, 08:51:58 PM +0100 :ninja: I haven't even looked to be honest.....I'm hanging fire because of.... https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5168.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5168.0) Thanks for that. :thumbup2: Not been racing GTR2 for a while - seemed addicted to the kitty litter. :oops: Must try again. now I have a G25, perhaps in the winter when I should have more time. Race 07 Evo was getting good reports (hence me pre ordering the expansion pack) but now it's released (?) I've seen no comments on the actual released simulator. Hence my query. ;D Bill Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: GardO on September 03, 2008, 11:08:01 AM +0100 my thoughts on the addition follow simons view, i waited anxiously for this,now i have it, i'm not really sure it's any good,certainly not as good as GTR2,the handling,to me, is very unpredictable, i did a race with racedepartment last night at nurburgring gp and it took me nearly the whooe hour of practice to get a setup to do a single competetive lap, i was driving the aston martin db9sr gt sport group.
i'm not impressed the only thing i like is the nordschlieffe and nurburgring and gp version, also they have added an online set-up update,but it's not working right yet, you go to it, select the car you are driving, it brings up a list of set-ups people have added,but within a fraction of a second they disappear again lol i just hope they do some updats pretty rapid Dave Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: popabawa on September 03, 2008, 12:26:26 PM +0100 I've just had a punt and I'm not very impressed I'm afraid. It seems like a step backwards from GTR2 to me :-\
I'm not sure if I've just spent too much time in iRacing but the force feedback is terrible, I tried tweaking for a while but it just doesn't seem connected to the car very well, which was one of my critisisms of Race 07. Just so no-one accuses my of iRacing fanboyism, I'd say the FF GTR2 is a whole bunch better than Evo. I agree with Simon on the sounds too, feedback from the tyres is minimal, same comparison to GTR2, it's simply much better in GTR2. The cars just seem very flat in Evo compared to GTR2. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: GardO on September 03, 2008, 01:12:58 PM +0100 i disagree with your feelings of the forcefeedback in Race07, i find the way i have it set is very realistic,in the fwd with wheelspin in real cars you can feel the grip go away from you,i have got it set very very similar in game, it should be the same for the evo add on,but it doesn't feel the same.
Dave Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: psuedo on September 03, 2008, 01:27:18 PM +0100 I have always considered Race07 a step backwards from GTR2....but I was really hoping EVO would help at least bring it somewhere in line....It doesn't look like it though....and the car models are a little poor compared to what I expected from Simbin :(
It appears to be aimed more at the 'console' driver rather than the dedicated simmer imo, which is obviously worth more pennies to the developers etc. so I can't knock them for that. However, I will not be using it....it just isn't what I'm after in a sim. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: popabawa on September 03, 2008, 01:41:54 PM +0100 It appears to be aimed more at the 'console' driver rather than the dedicated simmer imo I think it sits somewhere, rather uneasily, in the middle of the two and will probably end up not appealing very much to either camp :-\ Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: JonM_uk on November 02, 2008, 03:34:02 PM +0000 After all these positive vibes I couldn't help but buy it...Well that and the fact I just wanted to try an official 'Green Hell'.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: OSiriS on November 02, 2008, 05:28:40 PM +0000 How many cars can you have around the Nordschleife on a decent machine while still having an acceptable framerate?
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: mr_oily on November 24, 2008, 12:55:03 PM +0000 I've been in two minds since launch, and after reading plenty of reviews and opinions, thought I'd give GTRE a bash - already had a much neglected copy of Race 07 and given the amount of enjoyment I get out of Simbin's work, thought it fair enough to chuck a few quid in for the cause!
I have to say that against the trend, I really enjoyed it. Within half an hour I'd had two absolutely cracking races in the 87 BTCC BMW online - I remember Ginsters saying it was plenty of fun and he's bang on, in those cars it was just non-stop overtaking and i couldn't wipe the smirk off until the flag - something I've not done on a public server in GTL/ GTR2 for a long time. I've been struggling to work out how realistic the physics are, they're definitely not as twitchy as something like GTL but I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. Is difficult necessarily realistic? Only Purdie, Edam and co can probably say for certain but in the 87 and 2007 BMW's it sort of felt how you'd imagine it would. The back will slide out under braking and on the power but it does feel very controllable without getting arcadey. What kept me interested was that although it felt easier to sling around the track, you still need to keep things ultra smooth to extract any pace and I found that a great challenge, especially around Castle Combe! Tried the FBMW too, didn't feel a lot different to in Race 07 (not sure it's supposed to be) but man I'd forgotten how much I love those cars. Could drive them all day long. Having driven a single seater at Donington albeit for about 6 laps lol, there's something about them that really feels right. I think the sound contributes but there's that same mechanical grip feeling too....love them to bits and the helmet view is quality. 997 around the Nurburgring was quite an experience although I think the German lady from Top Gear was behind me...ordinarily this wouldn't be a bad thing (;D) but I was getting badly harrassed by a Z4's vastly superior track knowledge! I've signed up to http://www.weissbierbude.de/ so I'm already stacked with cars and skins for free without any hassle, and quite honestly as I haven't yet been convinced iRacing is the way to go for me, this has been a great way to freshen things up. Oh yeah, did I mention the full GTL mod is complete for it too?? Grin I don't think I'll be leaving GTL/ GTR2 behind any time soon but I'm thoroughly enjoying GTRE and I'm buying in to the physics model too until somebody with experience says otherwise. I don't think it feels cheap at all, it's more modern but I like where they're going - the sinister sound track's pretty cool too...before the gorgonzola breakdown that is lol. Horses for courses - thought I'd feel like most of you but I was just really pleasantly surprised. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Steve Holmes on November 24, 2008, 02:46:06 PM +0000 Sounds like you've experienced a good selection of cars there Oily, I'm of a similar opinion to you, it's actually quite good fun.
I personally think the driving model is a little bit easy to start with, the cars are very stable, but it still requires skill to actually get quick in them. I jumped in a F3000 meeting at Brands having never jumped in one of those cars, and I didn't make a single error that spat me off the track and quallied midfield. So perhaps a bit easy. But I was several seconds (3 I think?) off the fastest guys, so not so easy. Race descended into crashes but oh well, public servers.... Interesting that opinions do differ so much about it. This from my teamie, although perhaps the demo varies a little from the full version??? https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5538.0 I'm completely the opposite, what I most hate is the FF which is simply telling me nothing, simply that I have the wheel turned a bit, or I don't. I guess different wheels? Weird. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on November 24, 2008, 03:16:30 PM +0000 especially around Castle Combe! Is that built in or did you download it from somewhere? Is it as good as the rFactor version? Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on November 24, 2008, 03:30:16 PM +0000 I gave GTR-E another go recently and it stayed on my hard drive for all of 30 minutes before it was dumped again.
Ignoring the watered down driving model and the lo-tech graphics, the sounds themselves are enough to drive you up the wall. The tyre screeching/squealing/scrubbing still sounds like a teacher scraping the blackboard with their finger nails. It's diabolical and I simply can't stand it enough to play through the scratching noises. Nope I won't be trying it again, I'd rather play RACE 07 than GTR-E and I'd only play that to laugh at the fact you can drive the WTCC cars at 90 degrees to the track for most of the corners. :P Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: pribeiro on November 24, 2008, 03:30:29 PM +0000 In fact, since i got GTREVO and STCC, i tried to race again in GTR2 after....but only
i could do was a couple of laps before i quit for good GTR2. Physics and sounds, better than GTR2! :) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: mr_oily on November 24, 2008, 04:00:41 PM +0000 Yeah that sounds a bit much doesn't it Steve, even a man of your skills (;)) shouldn't be able to do that in an F3000 - I rapidly went off those in Race 07, I think for that sort of high speed single seater it's straight to the GTR2 F1 mod every time. Have you tried the FBMW's - would be interested to know what you think? I'd love to have some proper wheel to wheel action with some SROU people some time!
Sorry Picnic, I'm going to be no use to you - haven't played the rFactor version, this one seemed pretty good to me but couldn't tell you. As I used the http://www.weissbierbude.de/ auto installer as soon as I loaded the game, I also couldn't tell you if the track was standard or not either which was clever I know! I suspect not tbh, freely available though. I gave GTR-E another go recently and it stayed on my hard drive for all of 30 minutes before it was dumped again. I'm sure some day, some where, some one will release a game that meets your requirements Simon :lol: Physics and sounds, better than GTR2! :) Watch our PR you'll start a war lol ;D. I know what you mean though, a bit early for me not to go back but I do really like the tyre sounds on that Beemer i keep going on about, slicks bouncing across the tarmac under braking were excellent. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on November 24, 2008, 04:50:34 PM +0000 Sorry Picnic, I'm going to be no use to you - haven't played the rFactor version, this one seemed pretty good to me but couldn't tell you. As I used the http://www.weissbierbude.de/ auto installer as soon as I loaded the game, I also couldn't tell you if the track was standard or not either which was clever I know! I suspect not tbh, freely available though. I'm pretty sure it's an addon, I'll have to have a look at this site. As it's Simbin I expect it's a GTR2 conversion and that was pretty rubbish sadly, but I live in hope. I'm sure iRacing won't take me up on my suggestion ;) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: ginsters sponsored on November 24, 2008, 07:18:20 PM +0000 I agree with most of that Oily. However, the public races are ruddy awful. 3 starts and 3 times I was punted off at T1, reminded me of iR. A real shame as I saw some familiar faces (it can't be that accurate cause Purdie out qualified me ;)) and I just found it plain old simple fun.
Don't think I'm overstepping the mark to say GBGTL do a Race race every other week on Wednesday, doesn't clash with anything here, if anyones interested. I wouldn't want to race it every week but its always fun if you bring the right spirit :) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: mr_oily on November 25, 2008, 09:39:26 AM +0000 Ah yes, sorry, when I say public servers I mean the weissbierbude ones, they're not passworded but I think the fact you need their auto-installer thing works as a bit of a filter for the complete wallies.
Cheers for the heads up on GBGTL, worth the odd visit defo! ;D P.s - Picnic, I'll ZIP and upload Castle Coombe tonight for ya so you can check it out for yourself. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: pribeiro on November 25, 2008, 10:34:29 AM +0000 Public servers are hell in every sim racing, i believe. :(
But fortunately, first or second time i joined a p.server, i had one of the most good fights with a lad that enjoyed so much, as me, and gave me the link of a community. This community is almost focus on GTREVO and RFACTOR events. They have daily (fun) events and week championship races. Daily events are very different from each other, one day you have 260 Caterham in a STCC wet track, next day you have 4 city tracks, in which you have to choose carefully 4 different cars, that you believe suits better to each track. I have had 3 Mini(BMW) cup 80 mins races (always with 25 - 30 guys starting). Have a look, at http://forum.racedepartment.com/portal.php :) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on November 25, 2008, 10:46:29 AM +0000 I'll give you 5 pounds for your copy of Evo Simon ;D.
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Simon Gymer on November 25, 2008, 10:59:49 AM +0000 I'll give you 5 pounds for your copy of Evo Simon ;D. It's not worth £5 ;) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Steve Holmes on November 25, 2008, 11:07:59 AM +0000 Don't think I'm overstepping the mark to say GBGTL do a Race race every other week on Wednesday, doesn't clash with anything here, if anyones interested. I wouldn't want to race it every week but its always fun if you bring the right spirit :) Hmm tempting, but how to fit it in, think the missus would blow a fuse if 3 nights in a week were spent racing...there must be a way...there must be tranquilisers for her....... Just had a look at RaceDepartment too, that's a pretty full schedule, looks good too to avoid public server crashing. :) Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on November 25, 2008, 11:27:22 AM +0000 It's not worth £5 ;) So you give it for free? A true friend :-* Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on November 25, 2008, 01:38:38 PM +0000 How about if he throws in this gourd?
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Jeffrey on November 25, 2008, 01:55:17 PM +0000 How about if he throws in this gourd? 1. the hard-shelled fruit of any of various plants, esp. those of Lagenaria siceraria (white-flowered gourd or bottle gourd), whose dried shell is used for bowls and other utensils, and Cucurbita pepo (yellow-flowered gourd), used ornamentally. Compare gourd family. 2. a plant bearing such a fruit. 3. a dried and excavated gourd shell used as a bottle, dipper, flask, etc. 4. a gourd-shaped, small-necked bottle or flask. —Idiom 5. out of or off one's gourd, Slang. out of one's mind; crazy. Which one?:P Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Ade on November 25, 2008, 02:06:48 PM +0000 I think hes on about this one ;D :D
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9czBBKof7Yo Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on November 25, 2008, 02:24:28 PM +0000 No sense of culture these youths!
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Tibernius on November 25, 2008, 06:05:03 PM +0000 Nope I won't be trying it again, I'd rather play RACE 07 than GTR-E and I'd only play that to laugh at the fact you can drive the WTCC cars at 90 degrees to the track for most of the corners. :P Since they're FWD that's pretty realistic. That amount of power through the front wheels would be more capable of dragging the car from a 90 degree slide, or with the right weight transfer, continuing that slide. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: mr_oily on November 25, 2008, 06:51:34 PM +0000 This is true....aside from the Beemer that is - Giovanardi will vouch for ya too Tibs ;D
Picnic, that Evo version of Castle Combe I mentioned... http://files.filefront.com/CastleComberar/;12461237;/fileinfo.html Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on November 25, 2008, 07:36:13 PM +0000 Thank you, downloading and will report back ;)
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on November 25, 2008, 08:05:40 PM +0000 Ok if you've only got the Steam version installed where on earth do I put this?
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: mr_oily on November 25, 2008, 09:17:35 PM +0000 Yeah it's not obvious by any means! The path for me is...
C:\STEAM\SteamApps\mr_oily\race 07\GameData\Locations Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on November 25, 2008, 09:58:09 PM +0000 Thanks I'll try that. Found all sorts of references to extra folders and the like so gave up after downloading a track with an installer that putit somewhere brand new :-\
Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on November 26, 2008, 05:56:04 PM +0000 Installed and raced, 57.499 in 5 laps in the Radical I think goes to show how far off from real this version is :(
Not sure of real lap record for the radicals but it'll be over 60 secs. The Bobbies chicane (2nd one) is flat. I am a driving god if I could really do that. Shame. Thanks for making it easy for me to try Mr_Oily sir. Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: mr_oily on November 27, 2008, 01:29:26 PM +0000 Doh. Ah well, at least you know now.
Never been that convinced by the Radicals tbh but in any case I know the second chicane at CC requires the mere suggestion of a lift in the 87 Beemer, so I'm guessing that's not accurate either. Really don't know this track well at all - aside from watching the BTCC circus when it goes there. Going to mention this on the off-chance, GTRE felt different the other night to my first go, there was a fairly hefty dead zone on my accelerator and the handling was like it had driving aids on (it didn't I checked). I'm not sure if my G25 profile's been messed up or something but it didn't feel good. Even the FBMW's felt dodgy, i could max out the revs in 1st, side step the clutch and the wheels would spin a bit but no hint of pirouetting as you'd expect normally. Will try again and hope it's back to normal but it really was like a different game! Anyone else seen this ??? Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: picnic on November 27, 2008, 02:28:15 PM +0000 Really don't know this track well at all - aside from watching the BTCC circus when it goes there. Sadly the BTCC has get to get to Combe. The F3/British GTs came for 3 or 4 years before some NIMBYs decided they were disturbed for 2 days a year >:( Quick lap in a Westfield for you. It's the second chicane that is just so wrong. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BZBw9_0krnA Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: mr_oily on November 28, 2008, 09:30:17 AM +0000 Ah what a wally, yes must've been the GT's I was thinking of!
Great vid but yes I see what you mean, they didn't quite get the dimensions right on the chicane did they, the Evo version's sort of stretched!? Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: Steve Holmes on November 28, 2008, 01:41:45 PM +0000 I've got a dumb question to ask - how do I make and save a setup that I can access at all tracks? Seems as though every single time I go to a new track, I have to slowly click my way through the track filter (which has a built in 3-seconds pause in responding on my PC :() to find one I created earlier, then painfully click my way back to the current track and save it. With loads of Weisbierbude tracks that takes a really long time to get to my Anderstorp setup from Oschershleben.
I've tried marking the (e.g.) Anderstorp setup as favourite but it doesn't show up on other tracks. In GTL/GTR2 I have a basic setup for each car in 'Common' which I load every time I go to a new track and tweak it from there. The Evo way is painfully clunky, surely there's a better way? Title: Re: GTR Evolution Post by: mr_oily on November 28, 2008, 01:55:59 PM +0000 In GTL/GTR2 I have a basic setup for each car in 'Common' which I load every time I go to a new track and tweak it from there. Good thinking that man :1eye: As you can probably tell, I've only ever known clunky. You've shown me the light. ;D |