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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (33 laps = ~80 mins)

Track: Nurburgring GP 
Cars allowed: Austin Healey 3000, Renault Alpine A110, Ferrari 250GT SWB, Ferrari 275 GTB/C, Jaguar E-type, Mercedes 300SL, Corvette and Shelby GT350.
Time of Day Setting: 18:00
Start: STANDING
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.ukRules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0).
(3) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.6 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).
(4) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
(5) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=178;theme=5)

As seen on TV  ;D

Lol. Not guilty, just coincidence this time :) Surprised we haven't seen this standard track a bit more and it looks stunning in late night setting.

Just remember this track is very poor on FPS in GTL. Frames half on the main straight compared to the rest of the track, even on big PC's. So please don't make that worse with certain time of day settings :).

Yep, we did realise that JR and did extensive testing on my rig which is hardly top spec anymore. However, could people try this before the date and if ANYONE is struggling with FPS with a 18:00 kick off tell us here and we will change it. It does look very nice, but I don't think its worth one person missing out?

No problem on my rig

Awesome! I love this track. Have done countless laps around Nurby Short in the Alfa, and while GTC's aren't quite as much fun, one of the Fezzas should prove very entertaining around here.

What's the difference between them though? I guess I have to download that SWB version?

Austin Healey 3000, Renault Alpine A110, Ferrari 250GT SWB, Ferrari 275 GTB/C, Jaguar E-type, Mercedes 300SL, Corvette and Shelby GT350


Predictable? :P

It's included in the Skin Pack. :)


Yes! :P

I'll be driving the Alpine, it's the closest to an FWD car out of that list. ;)

I'm sure me taking the Healey will be seen as a massive surprise and in no way regarded as predictable.

I'm leaning toward ferrari 275.

Will try the Merc since I haven't been able to drive with the top open due to prolonged winter weather ...  or the Car-Without-Brakes.

Due to scheduling messups at work, there's a chance I may be able to participate in a full Endurance race.

choices, choices.... :-\

For me, it'll be either the E-Type, Healey or Fezza, i need to run some laps in them all and decide.

Cracking choice of cars to play with  8)

Excellent  :thumbup2:

I've been Mr NoShow in GTL for a while, despite wishful statements to the contrary, and it seems that will happen here too. Hate to miss out on this one, as I love the track and think the Fezza would be a hoot here.

 :(

Unfortunately cant make this; looking after the grandsons whilst daughter off enjoying hereself.  :'( :'(

Bill

Can I remind everyone that this track is a bit of a fps hog. We recommend that you try a test tun with full grid and the time setting given earlier before the race next Thursday.

If anyone is having fps issues despite some careful tweaking, with which it runs pretty well on my old machine, then we will change starting times of race to help. No need to post here and bear the wrath of the romantics amongst us ;), just pm Pseudo or I. We certainly do not want to hear complaints after the event.

Really looking forward to driving the Healey for this :) A great match.

 :wub:

Please remember also that due to the difficulties encountered in making the Ferrari 250 available, the server has to be set to allow ALL cars from the GTC=65 class.

Please make sure you check which cars are actually going to be allowed for the race....it would be a shame to do all your practice in a GT-40 only to be removed from the game on race day  ;)

Dont you just have to make the Ferrari 275 available to be able choose the 250?

Looks like we will have a good spread of cars, at least I hope we do.  I'm in the Merc, gotta love the slow ol' thing, down to about 2:27 so far!  But what is it with the hairdryer whoosh as you lift off?   :D   Trouble is its about 3-3.5s a lap slower than the E-type and Vette (and 275 not far behind).  So hoping there will be some Healeys and GT350s to have a good dice with.

I take it we are taking the liberal approach to the chicane (like before) and allowing use of the concrete?

Had a chance for my first full Enduro this week, however the old lady is leaving for Poland for one month on the 26th, so I'm spending this week with her and won't be able to attend the race.

Have fun all

any inkling of what most folks are running at this event? I want to be in a good race with similar cars pacewise so not yet made up my mind what i am driving.
At present i am quickest in the E-Type, followed by 250GTO, then Healey but dont want to find myself in a car quicker than most others but still be slower than the usual aliens up front. ::)
...tho i note, Steve's quicker than me in his slow old Merc at the moment!  :-[ :D

Should be a cool spread of cars on a good track layout  8)

Hi all,
Quickest in the Vette but tyres won't last !!
Gonna do the F275 thing!
Gonna be slow as usual!!
Can I admit to hating this track! Just can't get my head round it!
Add horrible cars to the mix and I'm struggling!

Also on the frame rate issue...
I drop to a low of 15 between turns 1 and 2 !? Just about ok to use!
Any top tips for minor tweeks to the setiings!? to speed up!?
Thought I had a good graphics card! :)

Ta

M.

Just had a go with the Healey to check on the frame rate and it  drops to 20 fps at T1 when starting from the back of the grid, then settles down to 40/50ish. thats with two 256MB 7600 gt's SLI.

Is the online server ok for praccy tonight?

how come this track has a frame rate hit? i thought it was one of simbins pre-packaged tracks with GTL  :-\

I havent noticed any noticeable drop in frames so far nor at any previous online race ive had here. (7800GT card).

Have narrowed my car choice down to E-Type or Healey for this one. At the moment i am 5 secs a lap quicker in the E-Type  :o but thats mainly down to lack of track time with a Healey.

Unfortunately one or two places in the standard tracks really tax the PC, never understood why.  The s/f straight here always seems particularly bad, although I'm steady above 60 all the way round in offline practice.  Might be worth turning down circuit detail and trackside characters if you get a slowdown there, apart from generally reducing detail.  Then there's the looong left hander at Magny, between the two fast chicanes, that's a real chugger too!  Simbin failed to properly optimize the tracks in GTL, bless 'em.   ;)

Nurburgring and Mondello are both very bad optimized tracks. I also suffer from framedrops, and that's with a 8800GTX. But I think it's the CPU causing problems, as the game is heavy on CPU, and doesn't use dual cores IIRC.

I'm a few sec slower in the Vette than in the Daytona for now :).

Makes more sense if you swap PSU for CPU. ;)

LOL, d'OH (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/GeorgeWBush.jpg/35px-GeorgeWBush.jpg)

We did do a race around the Sprint version of Nurby last season with little complaint of fps issues. Maybe the GP version is worse again? The first corners, on first lap will be about as bad as it gets and I'm suffereing about 30 fps there with a 30 car grid but then things go smoothly. I presume that will improve online as my CPU hasn't got to work on AI?

For those suffering there maybe some help here https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=791.0 I found turning down track detail helped me out a fair bit.

Turning off replays also helps.


TC

I can usually pin any bog downs I have in GTL/GTR2/Race to AI, as it's almost always during an accident or spinout when my frames drop, and this is happening even if I can't see the car that's doing it - to much work for the CPU it sounds like. Never had a frame drop online yet, even with smokescreens!

Well what do you know....it works too  ;D

Thanks for the info Tony....server now set with the correct cars only...including the 250.

I've tried out some cars here.

Corvette FTW ;D

will the tyres last half a race??

Will it matter?  there's plenty of steel rims when the rubbers burnt off.....It wont feel that much different I'm sure.

Half a race??? I'd be happy if they'd last half a lap ;D.

LOL They were rather hot after 3 laps I must admit ;D

Well, I guess I'm gonna find out hehe  I'm only stopping once, so they are just going to have to do  :P

That's the joy of the Corvette - when the tyres are fresh its the fastest out there, after 5-6 laps (2 if you're JR  ;)) you're already losing speed.  Makes for a great tactical race.

I ran a 40-minute Srouk fun race at Spa in the 65 Vette and although the handling gets massively entertaining for the final 3rd, the tyres do hang on, so a one-stopper is perfectly feasible.  I've only ever had one puncture in GTL when I ran a 60 minute stint in a 906 at Spa, never blown one of the 65 tyres.

Punctures, didn't know they happened!

After seeing Mikes Vette pace last night, the Healey might be somewhat out gunned here. Still, it will be fun and I sincerely hope the tyres fall off the Vette very quickly. Don't ask for sympathy ;)

Seems there are no big problems with fps? That said, there may be some trouble negotiating T1 cause of it so please all take extra caution there tonight. We all know that low fps may be an issue at that point so it will not be considered a valid excuse after the event. Anyone going all banzai on T1 of an Enduro race will recieve one of Pseudos much feared chinese burns :)

And a kick in the virtual goolies  :-X  ;D

a reminder for pitting in GTL, the AI turns off your pit limiter when you stop in your box, so dont forget to re-engage it when you drive off or you will be hit with a stop & go.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Vette is the fastest during qually, but the tyres won't last long so the pace will dorp very quickly, also the thing needs a lot of fuel so it will lose a lot during the stops.

RULE BREAK ALERT

Read Note 4!

No, it does that even with AI turned off. During the pit stop it disables the pit limiter.

Sorry, after a hasty re-read I see what Tibs means, apologies.

I'm more concerned about the fact that I have absolutely no idea what Note 4 is.   :P

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.ukRules.
(3) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.6 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page.
(4) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
(5) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

Thanks, I must guiltily admit that I actually hadn't noted that, seeing as pitstops are a new thing here, oops.  My car is still set to AI control, at least now I can change that.  Good thing you raised that point Tony.  Does the No AI Control flag stop it taking over at the race end too?

Yes , so now you can do donuts after your win  :)

Ooh, goody, I can properly celebrate my 14th place in the Merc.   ;D

I do donuts even when I come in last! :lol:

I actually got DQed from the race at Argentina for driving the wrong way after the race... ;D

Love donuts, but please remember to wait till everyone has finished behind you before you do them or start playing pinball with each other....on a fps hungry track like this it causes loads of grief for those still on track.  :)

I will try to make this but may be doubtful.
I am just stuck on how to ensure that I do not have AI control for the pits. Cant't find a specific tab to disable as in GTR2.

The instructions state: The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

Do I access these from my user folder within GTL, as I can't find this file, Please treat me as a complete NOVICE when it comes to computers.

No Probs mate.

If you go inside your installed GTL folder, you will find a folder called "User Data".

Inside that folder there will be another folder called "JPS" (in my case it's called "psuedo")

In that folder there is a file called "JPS.plr". Open this file in Notepad and scroll through the lines till you find the ones that need changing
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car

and alter them to the above settings.

SAVE the altered file and presto...done.  :)

Anyone else taking the Alpine?...I like driving it more than any of the others but dont want to be 10 laps down all on my own. :'(....can only manage 31's in it at present.

Thanks for taking the time to help psuedo, got it sorted.

One other issue, I deleted my entire install due to the issues I had at the last race and have put a fresh install with all the relevant packs. I now find that I have zero credits to buy any cars! Will I have to complete alot of the challenges before I can race on any UKGTL Races? I went to the test server and again I was not allowed to use any of the cars until I purchased them. Am I doomed until I do the challenges again ?

Is Nurburgring within the track pack, because that was not highlighted either within single player.

Nurburgring comes with GTL

E-type for me, had a good run with it on the Sprint race last season, so I've got a setup ready for it, any more times ,no doubt ruskus is sub 2.20  ::)

JPS trry reading this, hope it helps

http://www.nogripracing.com/details.php?filenr=788

Don't worry, I'm sure there will be people to race - in the Alpine I can get better times than the Healey, Merc or GT350, so its not out of place here, even if it chronically lacks top speed.  :)

Thanks Madd-Rip, I am sorted, very little time to test etc, but at least I now have the option.
My thanks to everyone that kindly tried to help.

Sub 20  :o, I wish ;D. I only did a 2:19.5 in the Shelby and that car is much quicker. I think I'll do a 2:21 or something...atleast, I hope I can :D

Well, if I can do 2:22, I'm sure you can crack 2:21 :)

good lord, :o you boys should be made to drive with snow chains on  :( ;D

Bugger, 2.21! my pb in the E-type is 2.23 atm........need to praccy some more I think. I'm depressed now, i thought a 23 was pretty quick...obviously not.  :(

The Vette is not exactly easy to get on with though, I am sure I have a mid 22 in it, but the tricky bit is keeping it all under control in order to get it.  ::)

Warning! Some of the skinned E Types are causing major problems - I believe I mentioned in the other thread (about Will's Mini) that I noticed they had .CAR file names too long.

EDIT: if you want to race E types please use a standard in-game skin if asked.

Marc Jonzo - please use something other than the Legends skin. Thanks.

 >:( FFS my pit crew refused to fill my car up...can't believe it, what a waste of time that was. put an extra 15 laps in then they just dropped my car to the floor without filling it unbelievable, 2nd was in the bag.

That was intense. Learnt quite abit for my 2nd proper GTL Race considering I only got sorted this afternoon to compete.

Got stuffed up the back into the first corner at the start and ended up facing backwards, got going and then had some great fights, thanks guys that was fun.

I filled up for 19 laps but ran out of fuel on lap 17 (intending to come in on that lap) a couple bends before I made it to the pits! any way of telling how I am doing on fuel in the race in GTLs?


 

I did a complete Jean Alesi. ::)

Bah, stupid game. :laugh:

Wasn't going to race tonight, but I had some time on my hands after all and joined part way through qually. No practice, not like I need it on this circuit and just picked my setup from the last E-Type race at Nurb Sprint. Qualified 5th or something and got one place off the grid and then had a little battle with Madd, Prib, Dan and Mike for the other podium positions (as Jeff was clearing off into the sunset (literally)).

After that it got a bit boring with no one around really. Came in to do my first ever GTL pit stop and the buggers wouldn't service me. Had a couple attempts at reversing up and asking again and finally they gave me some fuel and tyres and I was off again, probably losing 15-20 seconds.

After that dull again although Mike was chasing me down in his Vette. Knew he was going to get to me before the end and easily pass me with his straight line speed advantage. Came up to lap a Merc, we rubbed door handles gently and found out they weren't door handles at all, but spring loaded rocket launching mechanisms, which shot my car 100 feet in the air and I landed on my roof. Thank god we've got this game setup to auto-flip the cars back. Mike was long gone though and although my car didn't seem to have any damage despite it's space flight, that was that with just a couple more laps to go. Finished 4th.

Congrats Jeff, shame you didn't have any competition and to Priberio and Mike on the podiums.

I wish we could have just one stress free race this season ;) Thanks to MJ, Bob and Dave for sorting it without much fuss. Honestly felt like I did a race before we kicked off.

Start was a bit untidy so please report any silliness. It took me 2/3 laps before I was equally silly with a forced dart down the inside of Spanner into T1. Apologies as it was more forceful than I intended but I did try and leave you room around the outside. Apart from that it was great race. Stand out battle with Syd that was ruined by something ???Real shame and I hope it wasn't something I did.

Thanks for the great turnout and interesting car selections :) Congrats to JR, PR, Mike and begrudgingly to Dave "Healey" Gymer ;) Really enjoyed that one.

 

Great to see the enduros getting a nearly full grid. Lovely selection of cars. Love seeing the merc in action. Well done pods, really don't know how you do it.

Was very happy to get sub 20's, as I didn't think that was possible for me in the Vette.

Had a good start and could create a gap. With the events behind me the gap only got bigger and bigger, and I had a 30s lead at my stop.
My front tyres were 25 and my rears were....35 ::) ;D.

Couldn't believe how much more grip I had after the stop. Before it I was always using opposite lock at corner exit ;D. Great fun tho ;D. Never a dull moment in the Vette :D.

I was about to lap Dave when the circuitlights popped on. That looked great  :drool: .
P.S During qually there were very weird thing going on, mainly cars popping out out of nowhere. I think that had something to do with the skinproblems early on, as the race was fine. Sorry of I hit anybody due to that. On my screen I didn;t hit anybody, but I don't know if I hit an invisible car  :-[

Great cardiversity, with even a couple of Mercs  :thumbup2:

You can look at your fuel meter  ;) or you can calculate your fuel usage yourself (hint, hint) ::)

Nice ambiance with the sunset turning into the stadium lights... great track/time choice... :punk:

Well quite frankly that was one of the worst races I have ever driven. ::)

Had to start from the back as when I pitted near the end of qually, MarkJ's name kept flashing (skin prob) so I had to quit & rejoin. Was OK then! Only 4mins left, tried to get in a qually lap, but spun into the barriers >:(

After spinning at T1 I made good progress up the field & got to about 11th I think, before a bout of lag got me a S/G. Carried on with tyres starting to go off & pitted on lap 25 as planned. Decided not to change tyres :laugh:, at that late stage & slithered around vaguely on the track for the last few laps to finish last but one!

Basicly my setup was pants, bad understeer until the tyres went & then unable to put the power down.

Congrats to the podium finishers.

Cya all next time
Geoffers

Gotta agree with that

Same with me. Something I'm gonna test next week tho

Try coming into your pitbox sloooooowly and point your car well to the right of the guy with the headphones... hope that helps...

Heh heh, after catching the end of a conversation early on suggesting that you were going to be the fastest Healey I couldn't let you get away with that. :D I believe my best lap was a couple of tenths faster too - I think I must've used a lot of tyre up doing it though as you were bearing down on me fast at the end there. :o

Monster start and picked up about 4 places. Some good scraps early on, especially with MJ's E-Type and Steve Holmes' Merc. My pitstop went very smoothly. Made a bit of a meal of getting past Psuedo's Alpine, which hadn't yet stopped, then found Steve chasing me down again in his winking 300SL. Knew I couldn't hold him off forever but made a stupid mistake and spun off allowing him past - was amazed SbG's Healey wasn't close enough to sneak through and knuckled down to try and make sure I finished ahead; it worked but only just, I was struggling for rear grip especially at the end.

I thought I had mentioned that the E-Types were still a problem in another thread but obviously that got lost somewhere along the way. The skinning instructions have details of what's supposed to be done... some of the cars were working correctly in the previous pack methinks.

Results and Replay available

  


Tried to join server for three or four times, i couldnt due to some skin problems, i believe.
Then, tried a last time during qualifiyng session and worked, uffffffff.....
No setup and almost no time to qual, even so i did the 6th spot.
Had some cool fights with Jeff nahhh not this guy  ::) Simon, Dan, Mike and Madd,
with lots of fair play.
This time i did two equal stints (guess was the very first time i did so, usually i do a very long
first one)  8) changed all tires and i was lucky with my final place.
Well done Jeff, thanks to all baclmarkers  ;)

Cheers

Firstly my appologies for the skin pack problems causing grief in qually.....(nearly didn't get in myself)

I have absolutely no idea as to how these files have managed to appear again  ???...the last pack was updated and fixed so this particular bug was elliminated...and all I did for the current pack is add new files to the old pack, so there shouldn't have been a problem.

I don't think it is worth making an updated skin pack to fix this problem for this season....so please anybody wishing to take an E-type next week, take a standard skinned one.

SBG and myself are currently working on a new skin pack which should totally elliminate ANY problems once and for all.

That race was great....the time of day and stadium lighting was nothing less than spectacular...superb.

Race itself was reasonably lonely most of the time....stayed out till late (as Dave testifies ;) sorry if I held you up Dave but I was matching my best lap times and didn't want to ease off too much as I was determined to make some places up in my stop. Which I did....went from 19th up to 15th, no fuel and a new set of rubbers saw me in and out in 27seconds  ;D

At the end of lap 27 I was 12 secs down to car in front and 12 secs up on ADE behind, I was just thinking to myself that I just need to take it steady when I saw my rear end pass my front in turn 5  ::) Got going again ok..just as ADE came sailing passed. Great battle to the end then though...even though I lost the place I'm actually quite happy I spun as those last 5 laps were the most fun all night.

Grats to Jeff and podium

See ya next week.

"There's still some fuel left, I'll be able to do another lap...
[passes the start/finish line just as the fuel runs out completely]
...oh  :censored: :cursing:"

:lol:

That was great! ;D

Equalled my PB in qually of 2:22.9, then ran race fuel and decided on a setup tweak that would help me when the tyres went off (they were going to) but it didn't turn out that way.

Really crap start, but made good use of the Vette's muscle to quickly pick up 2 spots and start closing on the top 4.  Passed Simon first, then pribero as we passed lap 10 or so :)

Then the tyres went off   ::)

by lap 15 I was slithering about trying to keep pribero behind, only the Vette's straight line speed was saving me but a mistake in the slower sections would have lost me the place, not much steering, little traction, sideways out of the slow stuff ;D and even the flat kink in the back straight was getting interesting  :o  Thankfully he pitted first and took some pressure off!

I soldiered on to lap 20 then made my stop.  Faffed around for a few seconds, making sure I was putting in enough fuel and came out 5th!  One car hadn't stopped yet, so that was 4th.  Then set about chasing down Simon.  I didn't want to push too hard and use up the tyres in 5 laps, but I was chipping away and now that it was dark, the tyres were not going off!  I had good grip right up to the end.  I had closed right up to Simon when his car got launched, very unlucky, I knew I would be able to pass on a straight anyway.

3rd place, very happy with that, enjoyed the race into the night too, excellent time choice ;D

Congrats to Ruskus and pribero!

Grats to the sharp end, those Corvettes looked and sounded awesome and cheers again to "da management". Have to echo the feedback on the time/ track combo. Lighting change was awesome for atmosphere...took me by surprise and for a split second  I thought I was going to need the receipt for my new graphics card.

Spanking it about in the Alpine turned out to be a lot of fun, lost count of the overtakes but there was definitely no shortage of action. Anyway despite finishing a lowly 16th  ::), really enjoyed the racing so cheers all.

Shame there were a few incidents along the way but as I was both the victim and the offender (sorry Martin!) at points, can't complain. In any case, a shambolic pitstop(s) meant my hopes of catching JR were probably a tad unrealistic  ;D

Martin, fair play for some good close racing - GTL at its best, handling Vs. power . I don't know how I kept managing to find you at different points but there seemed to be a red and yellow 250 in view for most of the race lol.

Nice one Tony "Ron Dennis" Wiltshire for an excellent qually position, a real shame you got punted but well done for bringing it home, keeping things organised and explaining pit stop procedures to me lol  ;)  We have a foundation to build on :rockon:

Will, got to take my hat off for some serious hussling of that Shelby, very entertaining. Apparently it can steer in the same direction its travelling but I didn't see any evidence of that.

Next stop for the circus...Hungary  ;D

Bit of a hit and miss suggestion, but thanks anyway, its ok I've found another more accurate way.

Do you have a Logitech G15 keyboard?  If so, you can use the G-Racer plugin for it and have information displays shown on the keyboards screen including rpm, fuel, lap no., position, oil & water temp and tyre temps.

Works in GTR2 as well, I've just bought one and it's most useful :)

Great atmospheric race last night  8)  I felt like one of those old duffers off GT Racers Programme  :laugh: Great endurance race on a great track, the E-Type felt like a proper race car with the Jag soundpack and long bonnet...totally took me back to my Mallory park day out the other week in the real thing.  8)

First off, apologies for the skin problems. I logged in early to book my space in the race, but left the pc un-attended until qually only to come back and find i had been disconnected ??? For some reason there are two Legends Jags skins present, one lets me join okay but everyone else doesnt see me correctly/flashing, the other skin CTD's me as soon as i join the race. I was unaware of the problems you guys were seeing until SBG announced it and so quit and rejoined with a standard skin. :angel: Hope we can get this fixed pronto as i really like our legends Jag colours.

Race was great, real endurance in style and feel though shame i didnt have much wheel to wheel racing the entire race, apart from early good scrap with DG's Healey who got a great start off the line to get ahead of me. I need to get my TrackIR re-installed as i really couldnt see his Healey nipping in and out of me in the corners though it was good clean racing between us. :)
I spent the whole race between 7th & 9th chasing two cars 5 secs or so ahead. (basically the time lost in my early fight with DG). They were having a brilliant battle ahead of me but i just couldnt close the gap on them until they pitted.

..and yes you guessed it, my race was ruined by my...ta da...Pitstop !  Once again  :stupid: :-[ ::)  
heaven only knows why but when i refuelled it i didnt put nearly enough in. ???
In my excitement of pitting whilst a giddy 3rd place after 50mins, i must have mistook fuel litres for minutes and came out of pits with only quarter of a tank in and 12 laps of 2mins racing to do. :o :'(
Adrenalin really does give me a brain fart in the pits :laugh:

Rejoined in lame-ish 10th place, but car felt like a proper race car and fought my way back upto 7th as others late pitted. But then got low fuel light with 5 laps remaining and had to a dash and splash.  :taz:
This cost me 3 places to steve, DG and SBG in the dying minutes and i just couldnt close the gap with few laps remaining :wetfish:

Atmospheric lighting was fantastic as the sun set and the track lights came on  8)...i  thought my graphics card had borked when i first came upon it at T2 !  I did however start to suffer some stutters and it began to cost me 2-3 secs a lap. Me-thinks i need to put my (now old) 7800GT card out to pasture and get a nice cheap 8800GT.
Congrats to podium and organisers  :thumbup1:

Yeah, that was brilliant fun, apart from the skin problems.  Was a bit dubious to even start, since although MJs car was okay, I couldn't load Dan or Madd, problem with their e-type in my install, they were running invisible GT40s in my game, so was a bit worried if they came up to lap me, but I hoped I'd see their names floating above nothing!  So no qually and no test entry to the pits, leading to inevitable terrible pitstop.   :P

Had no idea where the speed limit line was, so tootled in all the way near the limiter and discovered the line was miles down the pitlane, bah!  Then missed my pitslot, did the back and forwards shuffle until they agreed to service me (the AI driver never had this problem, time to replace me!) and then spent ages trying to decide on fuel and figure out what the numbers meant.  All lost me around 15 seconds, from being 10 seconds or so in front of Dave, to being 5 seconds behind.  And my cunning plan of a late pitstop to jump a few cars went well out the window.   :D

It also meant I had to fight with Dave again, after struggling to get by earlier in the race, his Healey was quicker exiting the slow corners, really hard to pass, and very effectively driven too.  Like the first time, it was only really an error that let me pass, I'll take that but it was bad luck, was a nice scrap.

The atmosphere was brilliant, shame my headlights were a bit intermittent, I'd been unable to avoid a spinning car near the start, but no damage came up in my pitstop, fix the lights guys, please, its an MOT fail!

One of the most enjoyable races, and I feel a moral victor in the class B, slow car race!!   ;D

I think I did squeeze an Alpine after T4 at the start, really sorry, I thought I was clear ahead of you and claimed the racing line but you didn't appear in my mirrors and then a couple of seconds later I saw you losing momentum on the grass.  That wasn't intended, no need since the Merc's grunt would have cleared you before the next corner, I didn't realise how quickly the Alpine could accelerate out, and assumed I'd put a couple of car lengths between us already.

I hadn’t been on GTL for a while as the classic MS Precision wheel had final broken :(  therefore I selected the relatively easy to drive Ferrari , Vette would have been too much of a handful on my return – and the GT350 for 33 laps – no thanks (I never drive the other cars if I can help it)

Quali was good, put in a clean’ish lap 2:25? – no real issues.

Race, yeah…OK - I wasn’t able to keep up with the Vettes and front running E-Types. Had an entertaining time with TinMan for many laps, he was slightly faster but made a few small mistakes – so it made for a good battle. Knowing Timman was basically faster – I chose NOT to change tyres during my pit stop > however that tactic didn’t work – and he passed me on lap 26? – I guess the tyres where slightly worn costing me 1-2 seconds per lap? (however car still felt balanced & easy to drive) plus I’m not that good at night driving.

Anyway 6th place I’m happy with that :)

Grats to the dudes in front.

K

i was amazed that nobody quit the race until at least half hour had passed last night...good stuff, proves everyone was taking it seriously !  8)

The skin problems/rejoins cost me nearly all of qualifying, only managed 2 flying laps before session ended.  :( I thought i had already used the E-type skin since the skin pack update but must be mistaken  :-\

ah, it was poodle and Tinman who were having the epic race long scrap ahead of me 8)...i was trying my best to join you both and make it a 3-way scrap but just as i got it down to a few secs you pitted  :P

Looks like the night was a GTL racing success, well done to all involved  8)

Thanks Oily, yeah one of my best qualy's which took me by suprise! However my race was stuffed by an unexplained, unforced error which even in the replay looks kinda odd. Hard braking for turn 1 and the car turns right on it's own. Possibly driver error except that I had been practising my approach to this tight corner all week. After that I was on the back foot and in the high 20's. Few laps later I turn my headlamps on and the guy behind must of thought I was letting him through. I wasn't! Any way we touched and I was spun. Poor show that the guy didn't let me by him later on but I guess he thought I had flashed him thru. Ho hum. Otherwise fairly isolated race unfortunately. Pit stop was a farce. Backwards and forwards till the board shows up. Will be practising that from now on. Strange because in the past that has never been a problem. Wasn't the dusk/night effect great and then the stadium lights up. Awesome.
Finished nowhere but loved every minute of it. Well done organisers.

I've done the evening-night stuff in rFactor before and it is awesome, but nobody seems to run it much, which is a shame.  It is so atmospheric! ;D

Regarding problems with pitting. Unfortunately, its known to be a bit flakey in GTL and the problem was mooted when discussions about enduro races began. Hence we have used mostly standard tracks to minimise risks. I realise its no consolation to those affected but luckily they have been in the minority so far. Its something we need to keep an eye on and hopefully you gents will get better luck next time  :) (Don't think there's anything we/you can do to help?)

Its a real shame that many of the add-on tracks aren't really as suitable for dusk/night time racing. Both Leman versions suffer from texture problems which is a real shame as a night race around Lemans would make a superb season finale for me. Prolly be another night time enduro before end of S5 though  ;)

I can understand why many leagues don't run night conditions, because the PC requirements double to be able to run in the night no matter whether it's a standard track or not.

Not sure about the pit stops. Having never done one in GTL before I didn't really know where to stop in relation to the bloke. I just parked it where his hand was and that didn't work. Looks like you need to be further to the right than you'd expect, so maybe that's the trick. Certainly worked for me that my 3rd attempt was the furthest right of the man.

At most tracks you can see where the box is marked out - last night I couldn't really but the actual stopping area was fairly easy to find as it was just to the right of the two gentle rumble strip type things.

 >:( The donkies in my garage lied and made sounds like they filled it up....gits

Hopefully it won't be to long before you experience the sheer delight of enduro racing with the daylight realism setting at 10x. Hint, hint. Nudge, nudge ;)

Conversely, i found the opposite to Simon, my ideal pit stop box appeared to be quite close to the man, for the pitboard to come up.
If i left a gap to him like you do in GTR2 then they ignored me !
Perhaps the width of the car had something to do with it  :-\

Pit stops shouldn't be a problem. You should always practise them (as I learn't last night) and then you get a better idea of where to "aim" for.
Turning on the AI would be a fix but would lose you some realism.
The comments about fuel not being added are odd. I've never heard of this problem before.

Its taken a while for me to post, sorry.

First thing, WOW! I'll echo everyones sentiments i loved the day/ night change. I wanted to stop and admire the sky at one point, and then  i jumped when suddenly the circuit lights came on! Brilliant.

Was that a full night time darkness? Can it go darker? It seemed at some points to be brighter than daylight, must have been circuit lights. What about a dawn race?

What an enjoyable race, with so many different cars with different braking, cornering etc it was quite a challenge. I've always enjoyed this track which swayed the decision to run and picked the alpine as it was the better handling one which meant i would catch people in the corners but lose out on the straights! Sorry to Phil at the first corner giving you a few nudges and sadly SBG I never ran that far up the field, it wasnt me! It seems most of the race i was shadowing a Merc both upto my pitstop and then for the last 10 laps. The only pitstop issue i had was i thought when you request a stop you'd get a response over the 'radio' like GTR2 so was a bit worried nothing would happen when i did stop. It all went well though, there didnt seem to be obvious markings for the pit stop but it worked for me.

I think i must have got the tyre pressures pretty well spot on as tyre temps were consistant all the way through, and the fronts didnt seem to loose the plot completely.

It was only my second race in GTL and after the cadwell/ zolder mix up, i was close to jumping out with the skin problems preventing me from doing anything but i'm glad i didnt! And I ended up doing better than i thought!

One thing i've noticed, highligted from the GTR2 issues people have had is that the data rate for the GTL race was set as LAN, but for GTR2 you've explicitly stated it has to be ISDN. I'm not entirely sure what i should set my setting to. Did people see FPS slowdowns with the night running? I didnt notice any affects.

It depends on the track, but it will get darker than that :)  What adds to it is that the temperature drops too, and affects grip and power.  I notice that at night my FPS drops a little, but not massively.  There are some settings you can tweak to help minimize this.

No problem mate, no harm done. I don't know what it is about these cars but much as I love 'em, I'm absolutely useless in them. All of them. I'm usually in the top 10 in our races but not in these things. I can get the mini round this track in 1.29 but the fastest I clocked in testing the available cars for this race was over 1.31 in the 'vette! Ah well, I decided to just sit back, follow Alex, enjoy the night breeze in my hair and the great scenery. Anybody else notice the moon coming up? Brilliant.

A note on the pitstops: I had a nightmare trying to get serviced in the pits ( :-*) at the Dijon race. Testing after, I found that it was less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. You really need to crawl the last few feet up to the bloke. You can drive straight into him as long as you go slow enough.

If anybody fancies a race at 5.00 this afternoon, Race2Play still has free slots for GTC76 at Imola. I see Dan has already signed up.

Phil

Ditto to all comments ref track, conditions etc. loved it!

Unfortunately my memory is poor ! I'm getting old now!  :D

A couple of unforced errors and a couple of minor bumps left me way down!
Sorry to anymore I bumped! Bernie, definitely for one! A very minor rear quarter nudge!
Luckily it only effected me! I think!? Sorry about that!?
Other than that some very very close excellent racing by all!

Looking back I think I still had my sprint head on!! Idiot! ;D
Will remove brain, get it serviced and re-fit in time for Thursday! :)