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Title: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 17, 2008, 09:23:26 PM +0100
Practice 1:20:10(10 minutes)full time drivers only
Practice 2:20:20(10 minutes)reserves may join too
Qual 2:20:30(25 minutes)
Race:20:55(40 minutes)note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.5.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)).
Weather: dry
Track: Barcelona (National)
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=68;theme=3).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack (see link above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: JPS on April 23, 2008, 10:49:44 PM +0100
Being new to GTR can some someone tell me exactly what cars are allowed here in GTC. I notice a couple of Ferrari's a labled GTC. I am sure other cars are within this bracket. Sorry if this an obvious question.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: psuedo on April 24, 2008, 12:10:09 AM +0100
Best way to see which cars are in which class is by selecting JUST say GTC class in the UKGTR tab in game....the only ones that show up for selection then are the GTC class  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: JPS on April 24, 2008, 01:52:23 PM +0100
Thanks psuedo, didn't realise there was a tab at the top that allowed specific selection, its all clear now.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: spanner on April 27, 2008, 06:37:04 PM +0100
Never really run on this configuration before, wasnt it the one the DTM used?

After a few laps i can see this is going to be a busy race with little time for a rest. Havent quite worked out the line through the strange chicane onto the back straight, without any curb on the inside of that chicane its going to make things interesting.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 27, 2008, 08:34:53 PM +0100
Never really run on this configuration before, wasnt it the one the DTM used?

That's the one.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Simon Gymer on April 28, 2008, 10:40:49 PM +0100
That's the one.

I do believe it created a fair few crashes. ;) :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Mark J on April 29, 2008, 09:31:14 AM +0100
i hate this altered circuit configuration  >:(

The chicane through the sand traps at the top of the hill is going to cause all sorts of trouble. One wheel into the quick sand will effectively end your race as you will lose so many places on such a short silly lap. There are only two real overtaking positions, one at each end of the two straights in heavy braking zones. Turn 1 saw plenty of contact in an R2p race i had here as people attempted diving up the inside only to T-bone the car on the outside as they attempted to take the racing line.
Its more suited to slower classes or cup-type events than GT cars.

Still, should be a frantic no-let up race, Qually will be busy !!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: psuedo on April 29, 2008, 12:44:08 PM +0100
Giving this one a miss. Man U v Barcelona sounds much more inviting  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Jeffrey on April 29, 2008, 12:45:31 PM +0100
Giving this one a miss. Man U v Barcelona sounds much more inviting  :)

How can soccer ever sound more inviting? It was 0-0 last match IIRC, now the return must really be exciting  ::) :P ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: psuedo on April 29, 2008, 01:14:26 PM +0100
Cant get to grips with this little track....I fall off far too easily (nevermind saying 'what's new' )...so I can see myself getting no further than the first few laps then simply sitting there watching everyone else go round.....and round.....and round.....and round zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Jeffrey on April 29, 2008, 01:42:27 PM +0100
But with soccer you see 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: LuKe#69 on April 29, 2008, 03:32:07 PM +0100
Gonna have to miis this one out. Have an important meeting to attend this evening and wont be back in time  :'(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Simon Gymer on April 29, 2008, 04:03:44 PM +0100
But with soccer you see 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes  ;D

Not that I'm defending football, but, as opposed to 22 men yanking their gear sticks round the same bit of tarmac for 2 hours? :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Kerr on April 29, 2008, 04:06:26 PM +0100
I can't make this one either, have fun.

We used this track a while ago in an Elise fun race if I remember correctly.

Was good fun if a little hectic


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: spanner on April 29, 2008, 06:13:36 PM +0100
But with soccer you see 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes  ;D

Not that I'm defending football, but, as opposed to 22 men yanking their gear sticks round the same bit of tarmac for 2 hours? :P

No one can see me can they?? :shifty:  Where have you hidden the webcams then?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Munkez on April 29, 2008, 07:31:31 PM +0100
Giving this one a miss. Man U v Barcelona sounds much more inviting  :)

Snap! Have fun guys!!  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: BACKO on April 29, 2008, 09:17:57 PM +0100
Game over for me  :( :( :( Such a shame ,I was enjoing that track and I was on 6'th position a and my engine blow up. ::)Congrat. to podium! ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Jeffrey on April 29, 2008, 09:47:28 PM +0100
Game over for me  :( :( :( Such a shame ,I was enjoing that track and I was on 6'th position a and my engine blow up. ::)Congrat. to podium! ;)

You blew up an engine halfway down a sprintrace :o. You really should buy the book: Sparing the engine for Dummies ;).


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Jimmie on April 29, 2008, 09:49:47 PM +0100
Lovely race, had a bit of fighting with everyone around me at the start and then I slowly catching up with Darren, which was pretty fun to chase, but then I misbraked 2 times so I had to rechase it all over again which takes so long... When I was finally nearing Darren again, Darren spun and so I could go past without a fight. In the background 2 other drivers were fighting for position (#4 and #5) and I could catch up pretty quickly because of that, but when I was finally near joining their battle the race was over... :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: JPS on April 29, 2008, 09:50:51 PM +0100
Being a reserve, hope I managed to stay out of the way of the full time drivers.

TED sorry about my lights on the warm up lap, kept getting the wrong button, hope it didn't put you off.

Great battle with JPV, managed to take him just before the end, when a golden opportunity presented itself whilst he was being lapped.

Good fun, thanks for putting on the show Dave Shark.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 29, 2008, 09:57:12 PM +0100
Bit of a horrid race for me with a good result thanks to just plugging away. Weird graphics problem in qually left me with a flickering purple screen so I had to quit and reboot. Came back without enough time to qually properly so did a couple of laps with my race setup and managed a time good enough for only one spot lower than my original qually spot, so I was happy with that.

No real battles in the race although I was always in close proximity to someone, first Evert, then MJ, then the Ade/Pops Vertislow battle. Car felt horrible throughout, it just didn't want to turn, and after the Gillet battle was ended prematurely after Pops tangled with a lapped car I tried to put some pressure on Ade, but my tyres were shot and he drove a great final few laps to prevent me ever getting close enough to use my straight line speed advantage and steal 7th.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: popabawa on April 29, 2008, 09:59:47 PM +0100
A somewhat mixed bag that one...

I was pleased with my pace considering I hadn't had a lot of practice due to holiday and it was shaping up for a barnstorming finish between Ade & I in the Verty's and a swiftly catching Dave in his Z but contact with a backmarker left me too many seconds down to catch up. Bit cheesed off really, it was a great battle with Ade, it would have been interesting to see how it would have ended!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: BACKO on April 29, 2008, 10:50:43 PM +0100
Game over for me  :( :( :( Such a shame ,I was enjoing that track and I was on 6'th position a and my engine blow up. ::)Congrat. to podium! ;)

You blew up an engine halfway down a sprintrace :o. You really should buy the book: Sparing the engine for Dummies ;).

I didn't understand it either  :-\,I had to do some mistake when I changed gears down I think on straight line. I sow smoke behind the car (55%) and was too late for start to saving engine. :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: spanner on April 29, 2008, 10:54:50 PM +0100
Todays lesson was when given a black flag for speeding in pit lane DO NOT stop at you pit stall! Then struggle to work out if i can just cancel out of the pit stop clipboard screen and just drive straight out. Sadly the ESC key is just too prominent, like a big red 'do not press' button which you will inevetably press, which i did.

Wasnt expecting to have to pit so didnt know where the pit speed line was, but damaging the front splitter just ruined the handling so decided to try and pit.


 :cursing:


I'll get my coat....


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: picnic on April 29, 2008, 11:28:27 PM +0100
Sorry for the delay, lost in Liberty City ;)

Replay and provisional results available


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: psuedo on April 29, 2008, 11:35:38 PM +0100
That was superb.

Held own for first 10/15 mins and then managed to start applying a little bit of pressure...it payed off when a mistake ahead gave a clear run giving a good oppertunity, which was siezed upon and taken in very good style.

Held on well till the half way point, but in the second half was constantly under extreem pressure from those not far behind. But by an amalgamation of luck and good professionalism, managed to thwart any attempts made and hang on in good style for the victory.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Kerr on April 30, 2008, 12:38:52 AM +0100
That was superb.

Held own for first 10/15 mins and then managed to start applying a little bit of pressure...it payed off when a mistake ahead gave a clear run giving a good oppertunity, which was siezed upon and taken in very good style.

Held on well till the half way point, but in the second half was constantly under extreem pressure from those not far behind. But by an amalgamation of luck and good professionalism, managed to thwart any attempts made and hang on in good style for the victory.
Got there in the end. Not exactly the Barca of a couple of months ago.    Good goal by Scholes, but barca were depending on an unfit Messi. Brilliant that he is, one man does not make a team. Can't see Henry lasting over there. He seems out his depth and not trying a leg.    The team seemed flat. Still that's a trip to moscow for utd. Not sure who i'd want in the final. I can't think of a positive reason to pick one over the other.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 30, 2008, 07:26:50 AM +0100
Todays lesson was when given a black flag for speeding in pit lane DO NOT stop at you pit stall!

You do need to stop in your stall - but you have to select Stop and Go (or similar) on your pit board to serve it.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Ted on April 30, 2008, 08:16:34 AM +0100
My first outing at a sprint race, very enjoyable  :)

Couldn't get the car to stay on the track in qualy, sorry to anybody who got put off by one of my many spins  :(

TED sorry about my lights on the warm up lap, kept getting the wrong button, hope it didn't put you off.

np JPS, tbh I didn't notice, I was concentrating too hard on the road in front!  ;)

Different story in the race - seemed to have much more grip and didn't have much problem keeping the car going forward. Excellent battle with mvedrina, managing to get past around half way through. Eased off toward the end when I thought I wouldn't get caught, and very nearly did get caught :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Paul Richards on April 30, 2008, 08:49:36 AM +0100
well that was another closely fought race! With one eye on the championship in zacaris absence (that will be tt then!) i was pleased to qualify 2nd with tt in 5th. Race started at a hot pace and i tried to stay with rusky. The front 3 of us pulled away from the rest but as jeff pulled away i couldnt drop mark at all!

My car felt good but mark was faultless and kept me under constant pressure. After half way it was clear he was quicker for as soon as a small gap appeared while passing lapped cars he was quickly back on my tail. I pushed hard to stay ahead but my rears were fading fast. Eventually in the final few laps i got a big slide out of turn 1 and he was past. Great race mate sorry if i held you up. Its superb to have yet another close clean battle which is a testiment to this league and its drivers! Unfortunately for me tt also had a good race and finished behind me in 4th so its going to be tough in the last race in overtake him. Should be an exciting finish to the series! Congrats to jeff on another win and well done to teamie ade on a strong 7th place finish in the vertigo.   


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Mark J on April 30, 2008, 09:45:39 AM +0100
As i feared and expected, i had an awful race here.

I know this is mentioned countless times but my car was so 'completely' different to my offline practise it was ridiculous !
Only the evening before i was pumping in regular low-mid 1:09's with two different setups, one soft, one stiffer. But last night, those same setups felt awful. I had horrid understeer, really poor brakes and slow acceleration  ???
Had a terrible qually as i wasted so many flying laps trying to get the damn car to stop at T1  >:(
To compound my misery, the fuel calc was so badly wrong in the race that i was carrying the equivalent of an endurance race fuel load in a tight little track. I still had 66 litres sloshing about onboard after 25 minutes  :taz: which would explain why the car felt fat, lazy and understeering  ::)  Not sure if i missed a post, but i thought the srouk mods were supposed to make us aware of any faults with tracks like this ?...or was it a bit of handy insider info for TS employees only?  ;)
I finished the race with 38litres onboard and i had only fueled for allegedly 45mins in the garage menu :(

Race was a case of damage limitation for me as just didnt have the speed in the car to catch the guys in front. I kept a steady pace of 1:11's and picked off one or two cars early on but had to just try and keep station behind 8th and 9th for majority of race with DG doing likewise behind me. Two errors at T1 as the car refused to stop in time, allowed DG to scamper past and i grumbled all the way to the finish line in frustration. :surrender:

A quick note to the backmarker who tried to race me when i lapped him, your being lapped for a reason! It means the guy lapping is faster so dont try and outbrake him down the inside at T1. If i hadnt taken avoiding action i would have been t-boned off the track with only 2 laps remaining. I believe the same culprit nerfed Pops too?  >:(

A race to forget for me. It gave me the hump for the rest of the evening !  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 30, 2008, 10:19:16 AM +0100
To compound my misery, the fuel calc was so badly wrong in the race that i was carrying the equivalent of an endurance race fuel load in a tight little track. I still had 66 litres sloshing about onboard after 25 minutes  :taz: which would explain why the car felt fat, lazy and understeering  ::)  Not sure if i missed a post, but i thought the srouk mods were supposed to make us aware of any faults with tracks like this ?...or was it a bit of handy insider info for TS employees only?  ;)

How long have you been racing GTR2? And you still believe the fuel estimates?!

Each car has pretty much fixed consumption per time, except at exceptionally fast or slow tracks. In GT1 (and the VCC! :o) my rule of thumb is 2 litres per minute, in GTC it's 1 litre per minute.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Simon Gymer on April 30, 2008, 10:27:12 AM +0100
How long have you been racing GTR2? And you still believe the fuel estimates?!

He is a Legend, his old brain must be unable to work it out for himself.  :-*

Unfortunately a sad reflection of Britain's society today, blame anyone but yourself :-\, or is that just a trait of Legends driver? :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Mark J on April 30, 2008, 10:36:10 AM +0100
i thought the fuel estimates were supposed to be correct for 'stock' tracks so naturally when it read 45mins in my garage menu i assumed it to be correct.
For add-on tracks i do my own fuel calcs.

and we dont need your continual crap remarks after every post thanks Shark  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Paul968 on April 30, 2008, 10:45:41 AM +0100
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in GTC it's 1 litre per minute.

How do you work that one out? If that was the case then all the GTCs would easily get through an endurance race without needing to refuel, but in reality they often need a splash more than 100L to get home in 83 minutes. If I relied on your forumla I'd run out of fuel in half the races in the RS, and that isn't the thirstiest GTC.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 30, 2008, 10:54:31 AM +0100
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in GTC it's 1 litre per minute.
How do you work that one out? If that was the case then all the GTCs would easily get through an endurance race without needing to refuel, but in reality they often need a splash more than 100L to get home in 83 minutes. If I relied on your forumla I'd run out of fuel in half the races in the RS, and that isn't the thirstiest GTC.

I said it was a rule of thumb. I don't drive those silly thirsty German things. :P


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Simon Gymer on April 30, 2008, 10:56:40 AM +0100
and we dont need your continual crap remarks after every post thanks Shark  ::)

Awww, can dish it out, but can't take it.  ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Paul968 on April 30, 2008, 10:58:39 AM +0100
Interesting rule of thumb :o I'd expect it to err on the side of caution given that running out is a bit final in a race  :death:

Which GTCs other than the Vertigo manage to get anywhere near 1L per minute then?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Mark J on April 30, 2008, 11:07:00 AM +0100
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Awww, can dish it out, but can't take it.  ::)

i'm referring to the way you appear to follow around in various threads to add your flippant or derogatory remarks about 'Legends' or Porsches without actually adding anything to the relevant post :1eye:

with regards to fuel, i must confess i ran out of time to try a race setup with full fuel for this event, or i may have noticed the considerable fuel discrepancy here. Poor prep = poor result  :-[
Though as i said, i would have thought it reasonable for someone from 'da management' to mention the fuel problem.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on April 30, 2008, 11:11:28 AM +0100
MJ and Shark you can both pack that in right now. >:(

Moan moan moan I don't know why I bother.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 GTC Sprint - Barcelona (National) - Apr 29
Post by: Mark J on April 30, 2008, 11:49:49 AM +0100
No sweat DG, its all part of the inter team rivalry/needling that keeps up a healthy dose of competition  :-*

Where would we be without a foe/arch rival team or driver to try and compete against?

Team shark just happen to be ours  ;D