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Practice 1:	15:43	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	15:53	(25 mins)
Warmup:	16:18	(2 mins)
Race:	16:20	(130 minutes)

Cars allowed: any GT1 from the UKGTR Skin Pack (v2.7.5.0) (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Estoril
Race Start Time: 04:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of two pit stops. You cannot take your mandatory stops at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Super Enduro
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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4am start - so that will be starting in the dark and racing into the dawn? That'll be interesting - I hope it doesn't rain! :o :laugh:

Yes, took me a while to narrow down the right start time, but the end of the race will be gorgeous if it's sunny. Really bright, blinding sunshine low on the horizon to make the end really tricky. ;D :P Estoril is not extremely dark in the night setting so it shouldn't be too difficult racing in the dark at the race start. By 5am it's light enough to even think about not using lights.

Had a go with race time setting offline and it does look great, sun up is going to be very challenging :o but using track IR i can block out the sun with door pillars and sit up high to block it out with the roof. may even put the visible steering wheel back on and hide behind that. This is going to be a good one :thumbup2:

Might miss this one, i am on a lan from friday till sunday

Doubt very much that I will be taking part in this one.

I have never driven Estoril before and don't really have a lot of time to learn the track well enough to race in the light let alone in the dark.  :(

Nasty! Get practising dude, maybe hassle Gazza for a setup :) Its a great track and the virtual start time is really going to make it interesting, the last few corners get very intense when you are pushing hard.

I have an issue with pit stops and hope someone can help. The second time I make a pit stop do I just get the fuel amount that I set for stop 2 in my setup or do I have to select it some how???

I ask because my fuel strategy is ignored, I just get the same amount of fuel that I put in for my previous stop every time I make a pit stop. I have tried using different cars (skinned and standard) and different tracks and changing the button that I use to request a pit stop but still the same fuel amount every time. :( The only thing left that I can think of is reinstalling GTR2, just wondering if any one knows anything about this issue before I reinstall.

Thanks

H@L9000

My GUESS is that if you request the pit stop yourself it defaults to the last values you used in a stop and if you wait for them to tell you to come into the pits instead then it will give you what you have in your strategy. This is just a guess, as I always request stops myself and adjust whatever I need to at the time.

It's a shame it's not Estoril without that chicane, I like the track exept for that corner (fine for bikes, maybe, but not for GT cars!).  I'll do my best to make it anyway, not playing footy Saturdays now.

Don't miss this one, it's one of the best tracks!  :)

Thanks for the info mate:). I was thinking that i had a problem, good job you told me before i reinstalled for no reason ::)

It is a bit of a shame that GTR2 makes you wait for your fuel to run out in order to use different fuel amounts at pit stops.

Thanks again

H@L9000

I think this is wrong. For what I have seen in many races where I've made two pit stops, it doesn't matter the fuel amount you select for the second stop. In ALL the pitstops you make during the race (unless you change it in the board when you get to your pitstop spot) you will be added the same amount, which will be the one you select for the first pitstop ;) I guess it's a mistake from the game.

Would like to make it, but it's a twisty track that I don't know yet....best time I can manage in daylight is not as good as the GT2's times....I will join in, if everyone else takes a GTC  ;).

Not been having the best of times in recent races and I feel I dont want to put in hours of wasted practice for another '2 corner' race.  :-\ :-\ :-\

I hope you will take part Bob. The grids are small enough as it is!!

I seem to have a major problem once the sun appears - can't see a thing going into at least two corners, to the point where I simply fall off the track when racing from the hood view as usual. Switching to in-car helps but with my FOV I can't place the car properly and I'll be a hazard if I'm actually racing (or getting lapped by) anyone.

 ???

Hope for clouds I guess!

Hood cam is gay ;)  ;D

What's with the sudden outbreak of homophobia on the forums? ::)

Too many PINK cars about for eveyone  ;D

It's a challenge, use the force Luke!

Can't believe your practicing you cheat. ;)

Well it looks like I will make it after all. (what do you mean 'oh no'?)  ;D

Decided to substitute work for practice (more sleepless nights playing catch up next week again ::)) so I will trundle round at the back somewhere again.

Must just point out though that my Lights have a habit of Flashing themselves on and off...mainly at the parabolica interior and Orelha.....so anyone trying to pass me there please note....I am NOT flashing you through  ;)

You must be in one of the Italian cars Pseudo :D Will make this if I'm not dragged out to watch Cup Final.

I will try and make this one.

I will quite possibly be in this one, but not sure if I'm gonna last too long. First because is such a long race and I end up very tired lol but also because I struggle quite hard with fps at night (even if I have ALL settings including res at the minimum) so dunno :)

Quite interested in the way the daytime settings look (incar cam FTW ;D). I hope for rain at this one, too twisty to do well in the dry :).

Haven't been able to get any practice at all  :-\
Never even seen the track.
Given my less then stellar performance lately I think I have to give this a pass, so as not to cause accidents.  :(

You'll have 2 hours to get to know the track ;D.

Hmm.

It looks like you are correct about the pit stops Busi. Even if you wait for the pit crew to call you in, you still do not get the fuel that you set for stops 2+ :( In fact, if you wait for the pit crew to call you in then the stop takes about 5 seconds longer because the pit crew do not have the tyres ready :o
Did the GTR2 developers put the multiple pit stop fuel amount settings in just to laugh at people like me stressing out over pit stops? >:(

I agree with Ruskus on the Hood view thing::)

H@L9000

I'll be taking a small bit of ballast for this.

Absolutely undrivable, this is the word. I was having around 20 fps during the whole lap, with a maximum of 30 and having under 15 in some corners.

A real shame because with 2nd in qualifying it looked promising. But after starting the race itself, I just couldn't drive comfortably so tried not to get in anybody's way. All corrections and mistakes were due to that cause I was driving as smoothly as I could, but yet another very low fps moment put me offtrack and crashed into a right hand wall. Front end damaged, preferred to retire rather than ruining someone else's race.

That's not undriveable. That's more than the frame rate I get. :o

Absolutely gutted :(

Quali'd with race setup, then 11th to 3rd in 15 laps, 4 sec behind JR and Brian with still 35L of fuel before stop, and the game froze as I was on the back straight :'(  I'm hoping I just went into the tyres on the outside rather than freezing on the racing line.

It was great fun while it lasted!

It's still enough for normal daylight racing, but on the dark it's just impossible to keep the car under control cause apart from that you struggle to see much :(

You froze on the racing line  :P

My ADSL decided that it would reset after about an hour. So after falling off early and killing my lights I had to do an early pitstop, then proceeded to misread a couple of passing moves while trying to get back through the field, apologies there folks. All in all a bit of a mare  :-[

Bum :(

Quite probably my worst ever race.

Qualified in pole and was happy with my set up but I had not practiced in the dark yet.

It was actually much better than my old PC as before I really struggled to make out enough to race.

Today I could see enough but struggling to judge the braking points for a couple of corners.

I made a good start and already had a little lead. I then completely missed one of the braking points and went straight ahead.

I dropped back a few positions and then gave chase.

I caught Ruskus up but could not get passed him. I was quicker at most sections of the track but as Jeff was driving the car well there was no space for me to pass. Come the straight he was gone.

I was struggling with rear medium tyres. I never thought it could get so warn at that time in the morning.

The only place I could see that I thought I could pick Jeff off was the exit of that awkward uphill chicane. I kept making the same stupid mistake again and again. Too much power too early with over heating tyres.

Zacari caught us up and when I went off he went passed. I managed to overtake him the next again lap.

I finally got by Jeff when he ran wide on last bend.

I was able to pull away and put a few seconds between us.

Soon after I caught a backmarker who moved over to let me through at the chicane. Off line I could not get grip and lost time, I then stupidly lost more time touching the grass on the straight and I was worried Jeff was going to try to slip up the inside at first bend. I looked in mirror and missed my braking point. How stupid!.

I was just winding myself up making mistake after mistake, which is unlike me.

I knew I had a fast car today and just could not make any use of it.

I finally had a spin and hit the barrier. The car was damaged and wedged on the kerb, probably because of the puncture.

No point of going on.

I drove right into your frozen car with TT managing to avoid behind. Caused me some minor frontal damage, but nothing serious and it magically kept me in a straight line. Gutted for you as we were all having a really close scrap for the podium positions. The top 3 ended up only finishing 10 seconds between them so it really was close to the end. Could have been a 5 way battle if Brian hadn't had a bad race too.

Driving in the dark was ok actually. Obviously driving slower than in the day, but as there are so few braking markers at Estoril anyway, that was the real issue, not knowing where to brake. Last 20 minutes was even harder than dark, couldn't see anything round the back of the circuit. Fortunately after 2 hours you know pretty much what gears and revs you will be in for braking and I was finding my braking points more with that than anything. Sun coming up looked fantastic though. The kink of the back straight was hard though. 8)

I actually found that easier than Nurburgring, not half as tired from driving at night as I was in the wet.

Thanks for the fun scraps, TT (as usual sir, we always seem to end up having close races 8), I lost track of the number of times we passed each other), Carl and Brian.

Start of the race in the dark was pure terror as usual, I was completely lost with my braking points. After a while I got into a rhythm and had some great racing with sooty. Unfortunately he went off as I was about to pass him in Orelha. It was clean on my screen, but apparently the server decided there was contact and off into the wall he went, really sorry sooty!

After that I was again alone at the back, managed to bring the car home despite some engine concerns towards the end.

Start of the race was interesting. First time ever at Estoril in the dark, so I coulnd't see my normal brakemarkers (dark racing line). Very few signs or anyhting else that sticks out.

Busi soon went off due to FPS problems. Then I was following Reign man and Brian. I coulnd't gain anything and only try and stay close.
Then Brian had his first off and Reign Man was in the lead. We stayed at the same distance for very long, and I lost so much on that MC12 in that last corner, that any win I had at the straight was useless :D.
Brian soon was right behind me trying to get past. I could use the power to my advantage, as I could prevent getting outbraked.
Then Reign Man spun and I was in the lead, still with Brian hot on my tail. A few times I got breathing space due to his small errors.

My aim was to try and keep him behind till the stops, and get a bigger lead due to the stops. But before he had a bigger off and it was Simon I had to worry about. So when he went in, I went in the lap afterwards, still with 4 laps of fuel. My stop was quicker and I had a few seconds space.
Can't really remember everything that happened, as I was fighting to get that Viper around this track.

Probably the most Viper unfriendly track, and it showed, as I was really struggling with pace. The only way I could try and be competitive is be consistent. Like at Nurby and Suzuka, Simon was gaining on the at the end of the race, and thankfully the gap was big enough to stay ahead. If only he didn't take all that ballast ;).

If it's any consolation, Brian, you still managed to get fastest lap you cheeky bugger despite me stretching my first two stints enough to take on soft fronts for a short final stint. :laugh:

I should've had a corker of a race with Hal, RM and Psu..psu..psudeo but my PC decided to give me a totally new sort of wierdness and freeze for about 40 seconds. Alt-Tabbed out to the desktop and miraculously succeeded in getting back into the game to find my car sitting safely in the T3 gravel trap having hit nothing - good job I jumped on the anchors when it froze!

Made one silly mistake but other than that drove well and thanks to my short final stop managed to jump Pseueueuedo at the end. Despite the small field and the numerous retirements there always seemed to be something to concentrate on.

Results and replay now up.

The sun ended up a non-problem as it did it's "big watery ball" trick instead of looking like it had when I practiced at 6am. Bizarre.

Ah, but the 2 points extra from the ballast made it all worth it. ;) :laugh:

;D. I like my round number now :D

Grats everyone, that was most enjoyable.

Had an incident on the first lap (that's new eh!) Gazza ran wide at curva vip and I went up the inside, just as he managed to recover and we shared the same bit of tarmac for a mo till I ended up nose first pointing at a barrier  ::)...all I could do was sit and wait for the field to pass by before reversing out.

First stint was pretty decent after that though..made a few places through offs and retirements...and a couple of passes. Didn't have any bother with the dark personally...either driving wise or with FPS.

My concentration started wandering a bit in the second stint...enabling Dave to close a 40 odd second gap to just 8 secs before I made my stop  :o. Did a few good laps after the second stop though and thought it would be enough to keep/extend over him when he 'eventually' decided to pit. His tactics won the day though as he stayed out forever, giving me plenty of time of lose any advantage without his help and he emerged 10 secs ahead after his stop. Started closing a bit though...got it down to about 7.5 before RM and H@L lapped me with obout half a foot between them....looked like a good battle going on..I got a real close up of it at the chicane when I had to carefully thread my way through the debris  :P :laugh:
That left me about 15 secs behind Dave and I was starting to get pretty tired so I backed off and just cruised to the  finish, wasn't going to catch him...and even if I did the chances of passing were slim with his fresher rubber.
Bit suprised by the temps in the last section....37 deg at 6am....think I'll move to Portugal  ;D

Grats to JR and podium.

Not really, it's the results that count. No point in being fast between your mistakes.

I only did about a dozen laps earlier today to make sure I had a rough set up, I was actually happy with it.

I was pretty sure I could beat both lap records and did so in qualifying.

In the race, I really can't remember many clear laps. The first few were all finding my feet and working out where I was going. I did not manage that too well at times.

After I pitted the tyres were barely up to temperatures for fast laps before I caught Truetom and then Simon.

I really think I could have managed the 1.33s once vision and tyres were good, but not to be.

I made more mistakes in that race that I have ever done. I've been feeling rather irritable all day and that showed in my racing

Lol, I think we drove side by side for more than half of the lap and there were several occasions like that in the race.  :)
For all you moaners about close racing - this is where it's happening! So get in this championship and drive!  8)

Was counting on my "fast" last pit-stop. Lol, I think even MJ has faster pit-stops than this one was.  ;D  First three inside 10 seconds after more than 2 hrs. racing!  :o  Dave, if you start tinkering with fuel tanks: this is the only thing that gets Lister as close to the top, so think twice.  :-\

I found this race harder than wet Nuerburgring. Last 20 minutes I was literaly blind, guided by the thin white line with a sign "Shark(2)".  :D

TT

Fun but frustrating race.

Qualified 3rd which I was pleased with.  :D

Race started OK, Busi was all over the place and then went off, (sorry to hear about your problems) and then I tried to keep up with Kerr, he was ever so slightly faster that me so I decided to drive consistant to preseve my rears as I knew that they would be a problem later on. He went off and I found myself in first. I had about 2.5 seconds lead of Jeff.
I knew I wasn't racing Jeff or Kerr behind him but I was hoping that I would be able keep a good pace so i could be in a good position to fight for the last podium spot. It didn't happen as I'd hoped.

We came up to lap Pete, at this time my rears were already going south, it was only around 20 Min's into the race, I thought mediums should have lasted for 40 Min's!! but no!!. Almost lost it going past Pete into the chicane and then span on the next lap. I rejoined in 6th and tried to catch I think It was TT in 5th but I could not make up any ground. After half an hour I'd had enough of the rear end sliding all over the place so I pitted to put on hards.

They were much better, I was instantly faster but knew I could only manage this pace for 10 Min's. Unfortunately a had a slip up and over cooked it. I got lapped by Ruskus but it was soon apparent that I was faster than him. He was holding me up, especially in the last sector where I seemed to be mighty! I found myself braking a couple of times to avoid hitting him. By the time he pitted my tyres had begun to fade. but i was still able to maintain a decent pace until around 40 Min's into the stint when the tyre just went horrible. I was very slow and lost 3 places (I think) on track. An hour into the stint with around 45 Min's to go I pitted.

I soon caught Dave who seemed to let me pass  ??? (Thanks?) and then my Team Mate Hal....He didn't let me pass  ;D I was much faster than him but his car just blew me away on the straights. I tapped  him in one corner spinning him (OOPS!)  ::) I waited to let him past fully expecting Dave to come steaming through. It Didn't happen, that must have been when Dave had his PC hiccup. Anyway I eventually got past H@l on the outside of the righthander before the chicane section.  ;D  Great fight mate!

and after that I just took it easy until the end of the race to finish in 4th.

The MC12 Is shocking on rear tyres, your OK for 15/20 Min's and then your just a door stop after that, it just seemed to be really bad on this track!   ???   ...Still like driving it though   ;D

Grats to podium.

See ya next race

RM

Tyre wear and temperatures were very high here.

My rear mediums were too hot and heavily worn. Car was better on hard rears after stop.

Why was it so hot at 4AM?

What was your Lister using per lap? I was using 2.9L a lap (manual clutch). I also thought the Lister was the most fueleconomic car of the game, but I was disappointed to see the Viper, F550 and F575 use equal or even less a lap  :o.

Welcome to the world of Pirellis :P. The Dunlops are even worst  :o


The reason why I didn't unlap yourself, is because I felt I was quicker in sector 1 and 2, and I thought I would get held up in those sectors. The MC12 was amazing quick through the last corner, where I lost 0,5s on basically every car :D.

My fronts were around 27 I think and rears at 25 when I pitted in. This track is heavy on tyres, especially that last loooooong right hander.

Set your tyres up so they have a pressure of 200kpa during the race, that's the optimum pressure.

The night to day looked great, unfortunately was a bit to much for my system at the start. Had a few incidents due to bad lag and very jittery fps. Once cars spaced out a little it got better and i was able to keep it on the track all be it guessing where to brake lol.

Found myself climbing up as others had problems and offs and found a decent pace.  First stop went well and came out in 6th i think and quickly caught and passed H@ll,  then was catching RM and got passed him one lap before my final stop.

Went into pits in a good position but brought car to a stop and nothing!! pit board wouldnt appear, nothing!!!  Went backwards and forwards loads of times but nothing would happen. Didnt have enough fuel to go round again so i was stuck! sat there for a good 15-20 mins banging the table lol.

Was a pitty coz i think i would of kept up my run of 4th's.

Grats to winner and podium.

There was one lap where we were side by side for most of the back section until that nasty little chicane where sense prevailed and one of us backed off. :thumbup1:


Think my rears never dipped under 230kpa pressure and front were about 220kpa, but wear was ok, so I ignored the high pressures as really tyre temps and pressures are meaningless compared to car feel and the lap times you can actually do. Sometime I think we all spend too long looking at tyre temperatures and pressures and forget 95% of driving is about the driver and nothing more. :)


From what Gizmo has said, GTR2 doesn't simulate temperature changes based on time of day and neither does the SRou weather generator.

Yer was a good battle jpv just unlucky what happend relay, was going to carry on but had a puncture after smashing the wall.
My m8 lee aka rockstar81 joined the team aswell today he used to race a good while ago so hopefully he will stick around and get the numbers up in super endurance,
anyways again unlucky jpv no need to apologise you were faster than me today so deserved to be ahead just a shame we could not carry on the battle longer

Great race. :)

I really enjoyed racing with the 4am virtual start time, it offered quite a challenge and I hope to see more of the same in the future.

The race started ok for me but Zacari overtook me early on and Dave was getting closer soon after. I had a brief laps in concentration and I went into the Gravel at T1 allowing Dave to pass. Shame as we could have had a good Battle there. I was not close to any other cars for a while after that until the recovering Gazza caught up to me and again I lost consentration as he got close and I almost lost it. I just about kept the car from going to far off track but Gazza went straight past.

Soon after that I came in for my second stop and I managed to jump RM when he came in for his stop but it was not too long before he caught up to me.


Yes it was a nice battle RM and it was made very challenging by the blinding sun :) You were much faster than me so I felt a little bad about holding you up so much. I am not sure if you had a chance for battling for 3rd or not, sorry if you did. No worries about the tap. I had a look at the replay and my driving was very sloppy at that point what with the sun and the difficulty in consentrating so hard for so long :whistling:. I completely cut you off at one point :-[, sorry mate. I did not leave you enough room when you tapped me, again, sorry. Then I managed to slow Ruskus down a little while getting up to speed, sorry to you as well mate ::)

RM let me get back passed and the race was on again. As he got close I went defensive but at one point I over did it with cautious braking and he sailed round the outside of me :o, nice move buddy :). RM started to develop a lead but I got close to him after he let an overlapping car through. However he was much faster and I could not get the position back. Most enjoyable battle:).

Then 2 laps away from the end Psuedo caught me and was faster but a lap down. He was right on me all the way to the finish :).

Shame about the problems had by some, other than that, one of my best races so far :D.

H@L9000

Don't worry about holding anyone up H@l when fighting for position, sides, my chances of fighting for third were slim to zero even if I didn't have the problems I had. I just aint that good  ;D

Interesting bug in GTR2's replay handling - mine showed darkness even at the end of the race!

Same for me, I have a mix of mid to high GFX settings  :-\