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Title: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 06, 2008, 07:05:46 PM +0100
Practice 1:20:00(25 mins)
Qual 2:20:25(30 mins)
Race:20:55(80 mins)note: no warmup!

Cars allowed: any GT1 or GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.7.5.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519) (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)).
Weather: changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: UKGTR Donington GP 2004 (download as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
Race Start Time 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of one pit stop during which you must take on at least 1 litre of fuel or change your tyres. You cannot take your mandatory stop at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Upper Endurance
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) Championship standings can be found on the series page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R;group=67;theme=3).
(3) You will not be able to join the server without the skin and ballast pack and the track pack (see links above).
(4) Drivers may only change car once in the season without penalty.
(5) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: spanner on May 08, 2008, 08:15:22 PM +0100
Oh well, another one I'll miss. Though the reason is i shall be marshaling at the HSCC meeting at Silverstone, real racing and real cars ;D

I might just get back in time but it means no practise, no dinner and no rest!


Edit:Err i actually meant to post for the Lower Endurance THIS sunday! ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: sooty1977 on May 09, 2008, 06:27:26 AM +0100
Sould be there for this one, hopefully put a good show on for a change only problem i just cannot decide which car the sterif or a tvr  ???



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: spanner on May 15, 2008, 09:21:26 PM +0100
Been practising in the TVR but i thought it was faster than it is, I just cant get near an earlier 1.34.5 in the mosler. The easy option is the porsche where on the first flying lap i'm right there! Cant believe how bumpy the circuit is.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: sooty1977 on May 16, 2008, 07:46:57 AM +0100
Hmmm my pb here is a 32:912 in the tvr


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 16, 2008, 08:31:09 AM +0100
Surprisingly, the MC12 doesn't feel too bad around here :) Bit worried that I couldn't get within a second of record times but then saw those CJ times were freaky fast for that race and hope they are full stop.

Any chance of missing out the car park bit?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Kerr on May 16, 2008, 08:37:43 AM +0100
I think there will be a few drivers in 24s for quali and 25s for race. I can do it with the lambo, not sure about the listers times though.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: spanner on May 16, 2008, 09:28:28 PM +0100
Hmmm my pb here is a 32:912 in the tvr

Gulp! Looks like i'll be practising alot tommorow!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Joss on May 18, 2008, 01:47:03 AM +0100
U taking any weight Brian? I'll take whatever you take coss I reckon ur faster round here than me ;D I remember the S4 Enduro  8)

Saleen's fast round the first part of the lap, but rubbish round foggys and goddards. Not sure what to do atm. Hopefully, it'll be wet though ;D ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Kerr on May 18, 2008, 08:39:39 AM +0100
U taking any weight Brian? I'll take whatever you take coss I reckon ur faster round here than me ;D I remember the S4 Enduro  8)

Saleen's fast round the first part of the lap, but rubbish round foggys and goddards. Not sure what to do atm. Hopefully, it'll be wet though ;D ;D


I'm not going to be racing tonight. I've got too much on so don't worry about me.

I've not tested the lister out yet but the Lambo is more than able to beat both lap records.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: nsfast on May 18, 2008, 09:41:52 PM +0100
Sorry Guys. A bad race from me.

Started ok, but once I hit traffic I started to make a few errors. I lightly tapped JPV by mistake and spun him. I waited for him to return to the track. I don't think it cost him any position (sorry JPV). Later I think I misjudged FreQ's passing move and pulled out at the wrong time. Hope it didn't cause any major damage.

Decided it was best to withdraw from this one after that before I made any more mistakes. Guess its time for my first race incident report.  :(


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Mark J on May 18, 2008, 09:55:31 PM +0100
aarrgh  >:(  stupid internet connection went up the swanny with only 40 mins remaining. It all went south when someone quit the game, first noticed when i caught up with spanner, he was warping like crazy.
Gutted as 3 legends were running in the top 5 and was looking great for the championship.
Pitted okay and came out close behind Mark Mc in 4th but then game started frequency aligning'  ??? and everyone started warping crazily about me, next thing i know i am being smashed off track by a gt1 car mid corner, so no idea if he couldnt see me or i ran into someone as the whole track went mad about me.
Hope i didnt touch anyone else ? i had no choice but to quit out  :'(

What a bad way to end the championship.  :'(

Hope it all finished well and Legends manage to secure the Endurance championship ?  So gutted.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: H@L9000 on May 18, 2008, 10:08:08 PM +0100
Kicked back to the lobby ??? :-[ :'( >:(

I was off pace but having fun, damn it! I got kicked back to the lobby in the UKGTR server a few minutes before the server was reset for the race as well.

I lost my team speak connection as well so I think it was a problem my end :(

Hope it goes well for others :)

H@L9000


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Minton on May 18, 2008, 10:17:23 PM +0100
Pace was a little bit too quick for me in the race tonight kept making too many mistakes,   Simon and Freq had a great battle looked awesome on the moniter.
Cheers


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: ginsters sponsored on May 18, 2008, 10:34:42 PM +0100
Not sure whether it was that awfull track or GTC/GT1 mix but that was not real racing for me. Thx to GTC gents for helping out but that was terribly difficult from where I sat and not much fun for you I guess.  Did manage some good fun with Gazza and Dan despite that though. Ta.

Also, a bit dissapointed to see the less than inspired choice of GT1 cars. Not sure I want to fight for a GT1 sprint if everyone dives for the Lambo or Lister :'(

Congrats to the respective winners :thumbup2: And thx to the management for laying that on. Had some great fun over the season :angel: 







Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: jpv on May 18, 2008, 10:36:54 PM +0100
My race turned out to be a complete farce. :P I knew from the earlier reports that the track cutting settings were harsh here, so I tried to be as careful as possible with the corners. Unfortunately I couldn't nail every corner every time, and picked up a stop and go at the end of my first stint.

A few laps later I pulled in for my planned stop, only to find my slot occupied. Had to go once more around on the last drops of fuel, desperately tapping the pit call key. After the stop I was hopelessly behind and just tried to hang on. Eventually had to take yet another penalty.

I lightly tapped JPV by mistake and spun him. I waited for him to return to the track. I don't think it cost him any position (sorry JPV).

Don't worry, that had absolutely no effect on how my race turned out. ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 18, 2008, 10:41:21 PM +0100
Woo haa! My first win of the this championship. Had an atrocious setup in practice, far too oversteery and then had to go deal with the house lights fuse switch going off, blah blah blah. Toned the setup down a fair bit for qually and it started to feel a lot better. Set what I hoped was going to be pole about half way through the session and knew I was never going to beat that, it was one of those laps. Course Joss came and blew it away later on, cheeky sod, but it was nice whilst it lasted.

First half the race was not quite being able to keep up with Joss, but never far behind and Carl very close behind me. Was amazed after only 10-15 minutes we were already lapping GTCs and after that there was only a couple of times in the entire race we weren't lapping a GTC.

Pit stops didn't change anything in the battle, but unfortunately Carl had an accident (or a disco?) behind me and that was the end of his race. After that I chased down Joss, but we were lapping fairly similar times and then he made a mistake at the top of the hill and I seized my chance. Just as that happened there was a big pause as I roared through his smoke screen and a handful of people got disconnected and Gizmo and Pete got disconnected on our team TeamSpeak channel.

After Joss caught me again with a few laps to go I just had to keep it on the track and be fast in the right places and I knew he'd either not get by or have to make a desperate lunge to get by. Thankfully I held on and chalked up the win to end Season 7 on a high.

Thanks to all the GTCs for the lapping. I know there was a few times it got very confusing about which side to go and down the craner curves and up the hill was a nightmare trying to work out people's intentions as I'm sure it was for the GTCs too. Good job by all as there was so much lapping to do it could have been much messier than it was.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Joss on May 18, 2008, 10:42:55 PM +0100
Later I think I misjudged FreQ's passing move and pulled out at the wrong time. Hope it didn't cause any major damage.

Nah, was only minor. I misjudged how fast you were going, I was expecting to catch you on the exit of foggy's but suddenly was looking to run into the back of you. It was almost as if you'd stopped! I shudda gone left really, just panicked.

What's the phrase? "Stealing defeat form the jaws of victory?" Quite  ::)

Started off ok and pulled a small gap, then cocked up behind various GTCs - this track is appaling for multiclass racing. Somehow came out of the pits ahead of Simon and then promptly binned it at McLeans after taking some kerb. Managed to close it up again but couldn't get past as he was quick in all the important areas.

Sorry TSJ - I couldn't send you to the grave with a win :( Oh well

Nice race Simon and may see some peeps around next season  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: picnic on May 18, 2008, 10:46:42 PM +0100
Replay and provisional results posted.

Thanks to all who've taken part and congratulations to those who've had podiums on the way. Well done to those that have topped the tables :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 18, 2008, 10:48:05 PM +0100
Also, a bit dissapointed to see the less than inspired choice of GT1 cars. Not sure I want to fight for a GT1 sprint if everyone dives for the Lambo or Lister :'(

Think you need to check the list SBG, the GT1 field was again quite thin on the ground anyway, but there was 2 Saleens, 2 Ferraris, your MC12, 4 Lambos and 1 Lister. Really not highly weighted to one car at all I didn't think. Better variation than the 911 RS GTC class though. ;) 62.5% 911s in GTC. :P

As I always say, variation has nothing to do with good racing so doesn't really matter what people go for as long as there is competition and fun to be had.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: picnic on May 18, 2008, 10:54:01 PM +0100
There seemed to be very little to separate the TVRs of ReignMan, Sooty and myself both in qualifying and the race. That is until I decided that the old hairpin carried on turning right and piled in to the tyre wall. Limped back to the pits with no front end and a puncture. Still the amazing Team Shark pit crew got to work and fixed it all, although the muppets decided I needed fuel  :-\

Came back out a lap down to everybody but hoped that I may not have to stop again. Tyre wear was quite bad at the end with my mega-long stint. Well over 25 on the front left. Somehow sticking in there I managed to pick a few places up as others had incidents.

I got disco'd from yesterdays Super Endurance race as my ADSL reset, it had a bad day yesterday but was much more stable today. But I thought I was a goner when 3 or 4 people got disco'd at the same time and I got kicked from the Team Shark TeamSpeak server. Luckily that was all I lost.

So when's season 8 starting ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: psuedo on May 18, 2008, 10:58:24 PM +0100
 :( :( :( :( :(

Team pseudo teamspeak went off too....but all three GT1 runners got booted to the lobby at the same time  ??? ??? ???

Gutted as we were all running pretty well too. any one else ever had the problem with TS? I want a refund  :laugh:

Had a great first half of race..cracking battle with Dan for a few laps, great stuff mate.

Went pearshaped at the pitstop though when some cheeky 'shark' was in my pit box so I had to do a drive through and try again next lap.

Grats to all in this series...good stuff but we need some more GT1's :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: DynoDaz on May 18, 2008, 10:58:37 PM +0100
I managed to do a good time in qualifying which gave me 2nd place in GTC.  But amazingly during the last few minutes, while testing my race setup I bettered my time by 3 tenths.   ;D

I started the race slowly, and gradually built up my speed.  I could see Paul was really struggling in places with his extra ballast, but there just was no way through.  That was until he made a mistake.  I took my opportunity and tried to pull away, but to Paul's credit he hung on until the GT1 boys came round.  After that it was just a case of not making any mistakes and trying to get to the pitstops first.

Paul however had other ideas and decided to pit early.

With no one to race against my times started to drift and I was caught out a couple of times by backmarkers.  :'(  

<slight rant>
I know these corner cutting rules are there to stop cheating, but it's not fair when someone makes a mistake in front of you and you get a warning for trying not to hit them..

I know I deserved one of the warnings (honest mistake  :angel:).  However, I received 3 more from trying to avoid contact, which gave me 2 stop n go penalties which effectively ended my race.

I spent the last 30 minutes tiptoeing around trying not to get another.
</slight rant>

Oh well, I enjoyed the first 40 minutes anyway; thanks to Paul.  Amazing driving with so much ballast..  :notworthy:

Congrats on your Enduro title.  Well deserved!!!

Also congrats to the Kerbies for winning the team championship.  It was a close fight, but the faster team won.  :alien:  ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Tibernius on May 18, 2008, 11:00:27 PM +0100
<slight rant>
I know these corner cutting rules are there to stop cheating, but it's not fair when someone makes a mistake in front of you and you get a warning for trying not to hit them..

I know I deserved one of the warnings (honest mistake  :angel:).  However, I received 3 more from trying to avoid contact, which gave me 2 stop n go penalties which effectively ended my race.

I spent the last 30 minutes tiptoeing around trying not to get another.
</slight rant>

Sounds like UKGTL race last Thursday. ::)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Simon Gymer on May 18, 2008, 11:06:32 PM +0100
Went pearshaped at the pitstop though when some cheeky 'shark' was in my pit box so I had to do a drive through and try again next lap.

I wondered if you were trying to get into the Team Shark pit box when you were loitering behind me in the pits. I did request the stop and got the blue light before coming in so it obviously got confused over something there. :-\

<slight rant>
I know these corner cutting rules are there to stop cheating, but it's not fair when someone makes a mistake in front of you and you get a warning for trying not to hit them..

I know I deserved one of the warnings (honest mistake  :angel:).  However, I received 3 more from trying to avoid contact, which gave me 2 stop n go penalties which effectively ended my race.

I spent the last 30 minutes tiptoeing around trying not to get another.
</slight rant>

That's the game Darren, not the cutting rules of any track. It simply can't tell the difference between going off by accident, making a mistake and genuine cutting. If you used the original track you'd still have the same problem, albeit in a slightly more lenient way (because there is more track to play with), but it's a problem in all the ISI based games. To be fair though, it must be very hard to write code to distinguish genuine cutting with accidental offs.

I think we've all been there and it sucks so I completely sympathise with you. Many a time have I heard the scream of "stupid game" over TeamSpeak as someone has accidentally gone off, lost loads of time and still been given a cut warning.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Truetom on May 18, 2008, 11:09:10 PM +0100
Grats to team Small teeth for the GT1 championship! And of course to Crap Strollers for the GTC win.  :-* 

Bad luck, MarkMc. It wasn't my fault this time.  :D

Grats to all and thanks to the staff.  8)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 18, 2008, 11:12:32 PM +0100
I'm starting to get the hang of this track now after 7 seasons. :D Got a half decent qually spot with softs on both ends and slapped on some mediums for the race; was a bit concerned about both how long it would take to get heat in the fronts, and whether that would give me a very oversteery car with the rears wearing faster.

The latter turned out not to be in issue but I was right about the front temperatures, which took over 5 laps to come up properly, during which time there was constant pressure from behind. When the front left finally went green I was able to stretch the gap out to 2 or 3 seconds over first a Pink Team car and then SbG's MC12.

Tyre wear was very mild and I nearly did the stop without a change, but decided I wouldn't save enough time and hoped that I would still be ahead of Ginsters after he stopped. Stop went almost perfectly and I gained 3 or 4 seconds over the KC MC12. After that I was able to pull away a little, pushing quite hard knowing that one visit to a gravel trap would've cost me a podium.

Dunno if all those who got disco'd together are using a particular set of ISPs but I heard the TS girl tell me I'd been disconnected from it so I ripped my headset off - it certainly looked like a netburp on one of the backbone networks.

It is a tough track for lapping but to me that race was the epitomy of multiclass racing, balancing risk against time loss, advertising one's position to the car ahead and trying to read their intentions.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: DynoDaz on May 18, 2008, 11:19:16 PM +0100
I fully understand what you are saying Simon, I really do..  However, at no point in the race did I have less than 2 wheels on the track.  With the normal cutting rules I wouldn't have received any warnings.

My point is, when using a game that can't tell the difference between going off by accident, making a mistake and genuine cutting, should we employ such strict rules?

Anyway, nothing we can do now...

Thanks to everyone for a great season, and thanks to the staff behind the scenes that do great job running things.  Thank you!!!

 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: picnic on May 18, 2008, 11:27:08 PM +0100
My point is, when using a game that can't tell the difference between going off by accident, making a mistake and genuine cutting, should we employ such strict rules?

The original circuits that we've modified were way too lenient. It's been some while but there were some very lively debates about what constituted cheating as people took some huge liberties with the default checks which is why time and effort was spent making and testing these. I'd rather SIMBIN fix the problem such that if that sector was say a second or two slower than your average then the cut was rescinded.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: DynoDaz on May 18, 2008, 11:32:36 PM +0100
I fully understand why the changes were made Pete.

I don't want this to turn into a massive debate, it's just my disappointment talking.  I'll soon get over it.  :angel:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Kerr on May 18, 2008, 11:42:30 PM +0100
Later I think I misjudged FreQ's passing move and pulled out at the wrong time. Hope it didn't cause any major damage.

Nah, was only minor. I misjudged how fast you were going, I was expecting to catch you on the exit of foggy's but suddenly was looking to run into the back of you. It was almost as if you'd stopped! I shudda gone left really, just panicked.

What's the phrase? "Stealing defeat form the jaws of victory?" Quite  ::)

Started off ok and pulled a small gap, then cocked up behind various GTCs - this track is appaling for multiclass racing. Somehow came out of the pits ahead of Simon and then promptly binned it at McLeans after taking some kerb. Managed to close it up again but couldn't get past as he was quick in all the important areas.

Sorry TSJ - I couldn't send you to the grave with a win :( Oh well

Nice race Simon and may see some peeps around next season  :)
Send team shark to the grave? Have I missed something?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: JPS on May 18, 2008, 11:56:51 PM +0100
Great race for me, my best result yet in GTR2, 12th overall and a 8th in the GTC Class for this event.

Made very few mistakes combined with some pre event practice, and it all seemed to pay dividends.

Still lots to learn but great fun, thanks for putting on the show Dave Gizmo Gymer.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Paul968 on May 19, 2008, 12:59:00 AM +0100
Unofficial Race Report (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.harrington/Donington%20S7%20UE/)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Mark J on May 19, 2008, 09:39:00 AM +0100
Congratulations to Paul on his Endurance Drivers Championship,  very well deserved, he was in a league on his own even with 40kg ballast  :notworthy:
And very well done to the Kerbies on a close fought Team Championship win, only 2 points in it for last two rounds  :thumbup1:

Commiserations to myself and my teamies, we took it to the wire and kept the Kerbies and sharks in line for most of the season, getting 2nd place overall in the team championship. I had hoped with 3 of us running in the top 5 last night, we would have done enough to grab the title, but my disco and Darrens stop and go's saw it went the way of the Kerbie.
Great racing as always and special thanks to the guys behind the scenes who make it all happen  :thumbup2:

I was surprised to hear so many had Discos again last night  :thumbdown: i thought it was my connection again as it had been pretty naff all weekend. Im with Fast.co.uk, a premium ISP but i am far from happy with the quality of my connection, with low data speeds etc, i dont know if its their fault or BT's ? Though it seemed rock solid in game last night until somebody quit the game, then i began getting 're-synch' messages and first one car, then all cars started warping all over the place making it impossible to drive.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: picnic on May 19, 2008, 09:51:29 AM +0100
Though it seemed rock solid in game last night until somebody quit the game, then i began getting 're-synch' messages and first one car, then all cars started warping all over the place making it impossible to drive.

It was noted on our TeamSpeak last night that you were lagging quite badly for a few mins before you left.

I see Fast.co.uk are resellers of Netservices, wonder who else resells them. If there was a link there to last night's glitch. Mind you as you were the only one reported as lagging I suspect the two are unrelated.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Paul968 on May 19, 2008, 10:13:25 AM +0100
Another great first half and a nail biting finish in the team championship. I was pretty happy with my pole time but was expecting Darren to go a bit quicker as he was doing low 32s in race trim earlier. Once we got going he was quickly on my exhaust, especially through the old hairpin, but he was slower in the places were a pass might happen - the esses and the hairpins. I was having to push really hard though and in the end it told as I took a bit too much curb at Mcleans, got a bit sideways and he nipped past. I managed to stay with him after that with a 4-5 sec gap back to TT & Mark but there wasn't much chance of a pass. I was pretty sure that Darren would need longer to stop (either that or he was absolutely pants at qualifying on low fuel!) but I had one eye on Mark who was very quick last time out and might be on the same strategy (full fuel). I finally managed to get an early pitstop to work so that I wouldn't lose too much time on worn tyres, and by the time the stops had played out things looked pretty good. Mark was 16 secs back and TT & Darren were even further away (especially after Darren's stop/gos). For a while Mark was closing, but the gap was big enough to  let me take it fairly easy. In the end it didn't matter as he unfortunately discoed, leaving me with a long cruise to the finish, but it did make the team championship more of an issue - with Mark 2nd behind me the Kerbies would win, but with TT in 2nd then Darren had a chance to spoil the party. His 2nd stop/go and Ade's contribution though meant that they just fell short.

Congrats to Simon on his first win of the season and to the baby Sharks for the GT1 team title - simply too good for the rest. Thanks to everyone who I've raced with this season - its been great fun battling again a wide range of different drivers, many of whom seem to be getting worringly quicker  :o Well done to the Kerbies on another team title and to the GT1 boys who might have had 2nd had Paul not been 'distracted'. I'm rather disappointed he couldn't be bothered to turn up for the last race - where is his commitment?  ::) ;D Hard luck to the Legends boys who put up a good fight last night - I hope you didn't use that ropey old setup I gave you  ;) Finally thanks to all the mods for another season of good racing - much appreciated.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: popabawa on May 19, 2008, 10:18:23 AM +0100
Just to add my congrats to Paul968 on the title; a simply amazing drive this season with all that ballast :notworthy:

And to the Kerbies on the GTC team title, we pushed you as hard as we could but just weren't quite good enough in the end. Well done on the win guys :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: sooty1977 on May 19, 2008, 10:54:39 AM +0100
Like jps1 this one of my better races alltho i must admit i fort i would have quala a touch higher than 10th but the pace of the field was faster than i anticipated.
Race started well was just about hanging on to the back of Pete and Reign Man who was putting early pressure on Andy eves,then to my supprise Pete looked like he just clipped
the grass at the old hairpin which rocketed him into the wall,I was close to following him aswel at the same time.
Reign Man and Andy were now slowly getting away 10Th's a lap then Rm put a move on Andy that didn't stick so he ended up of the track at McLean's,just Andy left now who
in turn fell at redgate so i now had a clear run while the battle behind continued.
I think i was around 3 or 4 seconds ahead which i managed to stretch out to around 10 - 11 seconds,then i was at my suprise running 2nd while people were pitting.
When it came to my stop i had no idea were i was in the gtc class when i came out so just went for it but to my supprise i was a way of Rm and Andy who i had good time over entering the pits
but with around 6 min to go i finally caught Andy up and as were both having a moment up at McLean's and copice i squeezed past and stretched away to finish 6th in class.


Just had a look at the ukgtr notepad as i wanted to find out why my pitstop was so Long but the time ain't there as you can see

Lap=(24, 2458.427, 1:36.636)
Lap=(26, 2728.483, 1:44.185)

It douse show on Paul's unofficial race report tho with a time of 2:53.420 which was 43 seconds slower than Reign Man,
 who was 45 seconds ahead at the end looks like i need to kill some pit crew  :-[

Nice race anyway guys and congrats winners and everyone making it possible


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: DynoDaz on May 19, 2008, 11:19:37 AM +0100
I was pretty sure that Darren would need longer to stop (either that or he was absolutely pants at qualifying on low fuel!)

Got it in one..  I am pants at qualifying on low fuel.  :-[  (must work on this for next season)
My fastest quallifying lap was posted in the last few minutes while using my race setup with 100L onboard...  ::)

I went for a soft/med tyre strategy but it didn't really pay off.  I needed to get past you early to take full advantage, however, like you say I was only really faster in the areas I couldn't pass; like after the old hairpin where I had to lift off everytime while going up the hill.

I hope you didn't use that ropey old setup I gave you  ;)

You gave us a setup?  Who, when, where?   Heads will roll  ;D
 


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Paul968 on May 19, 2008, 11:43:43 AM +0100
I don't understand Darren? How come your pitstop was so long if you had 100L on board?

I took soft/med too. It was too cold for anything else.

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You gave us a setup?  Who, when, where?   Heads will roll

Ask TT & Mark  :)



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Paul968 on May 19, 2008, 12:03:59 PM +0100
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Just had a look at the ukgtr notepad as i wanted to find out why my pitstop was so Long but the time ain't there as you can see

Lap=(24, 2458.427, 1:36.636)
Lap=(26, 2728.483, 1:44.185)

It douse show on Paul's unofficial race report tho with a time of 2:53.420 which was 43 seconds slower than Reign Man,
 who was 45 seconds ahead at the end looks like i need to kill some pit crew 

He will have started on full fuel whereas you probably too half and had to fill up mid-way.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: DynoDaz on May 19, 2008, 12:14:39 PM +0100
I don't understand Darren? How come your pitstop was so long if you had 100L on board?

I took soft/med too. It was too cold for anything else.

A very good question indeed.. WHY???

1) Even though I requested a pit stop just after starting a lap, my pit crew was still in the garage when I arrived.  They then slowly walked out with my wheels...  I guess this was due to me being close to the pit entrance.  I think they only leave the garage when you enter the pit lane...

2) Due to you slightly tapping my rear bumper (no blame) I had some aero damage, which I forgot to cancel.  :-[ That cost me about 10 seconds...

3) I was using just over 2L of fuel per lap in practise.  So I calculated that I needed a top up with an extra 10L to be safe.. (which it turns out I didn't need)  ::)

4) I don't currently do manual stops..  (I need to change this for next season)

I guess all of the above cost me around 30 seconds...  :-[  Oh well, I guess there is plenty of room for improvement..  ;D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Paul968 on May 19, 2008, 12:36:02 PM +0100
Hmm, still don't get it. I also took about 10 litres extra . The contact was very slight and wouldn't normally extend a stop (I often get 'repairs under way' after little taps like that but they just get on and change the tyres), but you were stationary for about 25 seconds longer than me. You should request a stop on the lap before you pit so that the crew are ready, and this will save up to 5 seconds.

Don't think I tapped your bumper though - a slight dent in the door perhaps but we were pretty much side by side.  :P :-*



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: sooty1977 on May 19, 2008, 12:40:29 PM +0100
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Just had a look at the ukgtr notepad as i wanted to find out why my pitstop was so Long but the time ain't there as you can see

Lap=(24, 2458.427, 1:36.636)
Lap=(26, 2728.483, 1:44.185)

It douse show on Paul's unofficial race report tho with a time of 2:53.420 which was 43 seconds slower than Reign Man,
 who was 45 seconds ahead at the end looks like i need to kill some pit crew 

He will have started on full fuel whereas you probably too half and had to fill up mid-way.

I will let the crew off then and give my stupid head a wobble !  :laugh:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: DynoDaz on May 19, 2008, 12:52:54 PM +0100
Hmm, still don't get it. I also took about 10 litres extra . The contact was very slight and wouldn't normally extend a stop (I often get 'repairs under way' after little taps like that but they just get on and change the tyres), but you were stationary for about 25 seconds longer than me. You should request a stop on the lap before you pit so that the crew are ready, and this will save up to 5 seconds.

I'm just saying what I experienced.  Even though I pressed the pit request button just after crossing the s/f line, my crew wasn't ready...  So are you saying I should request a pitstop even earlier?  I thought you have to request a stop on the lap you want to come in on, not on the previous lap..  :-\

My crew not being ready cost me around 5 seconds.  Then they stood around for a further 10 seconds before lifting my car to change the tyres.  I had assumed they used this time to fix the damage to my car...

Then because I don't manually cut off the engine etc, this costs me a couple of seconds...  So we are already at 17-18 seconds, so why is it so hard to believe?

A poor pit entry (likely) and a bad exit (more than likely) and there is your 25 seconds... :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Paul968 on May 19, 2008, 01:19:44 PM +0100
Sorry, not saying I don't believe you, just don't understand. The 25 secs difference were for the stationary bit, not the entry/exit. Not turning the engine off won't have helped though. Did you spend long on the selection screen? That all counts too.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on May 19, 2008, 01:36:28 PM +0100
Even though I pressed the pit request button just after crossing the s/f line, my crew wasn't ready...  So are you saying I should request a pitstop even earlier?  I thought you have to request a stop on the lap you want to come in on, not on the previous lap..  :-\

Did they actually say that they were ready for you? If there was somebody else in your stand when you did the request, it won't have worked - you have to get the acknowledgement (or at least see the blue light illuminate) for it to be effective.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: stnasky on May 19, 2008, 05:57:11 PM +0100
Another good race there last night.  Good battle with TT for the first half of the race and everything was good until the disco but i wasnt alone as others got discos too.  I was tempted to go for a full tank from the start but it looked like it could be tight near the end (i always seem to use a bit more than whats needed for some reason) so i took half a tank and put more in at the pitstops.  After the pitstops Paul had a good lead and i dont think id have caught him.

Congrats to the winners and cheers to the folks behind the scenes 8)

Cyas


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Prof on May 19, 2008, 06:03:04 PM +0100
Sorry I did not get there to see the season out - way too much work this weekend. Congratulations to all winners, podiums and champions during the season. Thank you to all drivers who make this league so fun to race in albeit nearer the back of the field than the front. I missed the chance to be the only GTC to score points in every round :(
I look forward to trying to challenge a bit better next season - need to practice more - much, much more.
A definitely non-alien Team Shark member.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: psuedo on May 19, 2008, 06:05:16 PM +0100
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THE definitely non-alien Team Shark member.

 ;)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: picnic on May 19, 2008, 06:08:55 PM +0100
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THE definitely non-alien Team Shark member.

 ;)

You flatter me  :whistling: :wheelchair:



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Prof on May 19, 2008, 06:14:22 PM +0100
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THE definitely non-alien Team Shark member.

 ;)

Don't I just know it  :-[

Btw thanks to Dave, Pete, mods and all who work so hard to make the league so enjoyable. May we never take you for granted.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: spanner on May 19, 2008, 08:04:25 PM +0100
Just want to say well done to everyone who ran this season, A big 'We're not worthy'  :notworthy: to all the podium finishers. A big thankyou to all the mods who make it all happen.

Interesting race last night, thought i'd tryout the TVR but it kinda didnt work out to well. Took a few laps to finally get some heat in the tyres and just couldnt keep up the pace not matter how hard i tried, and i was trying too hard as usual. Then it was a case of the GT1's coming round continously and letting them through. Trying to overtake round Craner curves through me a bit and it was safer to drive striaght across the grass as i was never going to turn in. And sorry to Psuedo for running you off at Mcleans, I was trying to wait and to let you through but you didnt go through!

Another mess of the pit stop, thinking the fuel on the clipboard was going to be added to what was already there, not what level was to be filled to. Was thinking of running full tanks and it could have worked! just wasnt brave enough.

One of my biggest problems is running on worn tyres due to my bad driving, and the TVR doesnt help as front and rear were wearing equally which meant i was struggling everywhere!


Well this break gives me chance to try learn more about setup and practise, practise, practise. Though i think a brain transplant would be the better option.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Truetom on May 19, 2008, 08:12:02 PM +0100
One of my biggest problems is running on worn tyres due to my bad driving, and the TVR doesnt help as front and rear were wearing equally which meant i was struggling everywhere!
Hehe, I'm still there after 8 seasons.  :D

Well this break gives me chance to try learn more about setup and practise, practise, practise. Though i think a brain transplant would be the better option.
You learn and improve quickly from the beginning. It's later that it becomes a bit tedious.  ;)
I learned a lot from the quicker drivers. I learned that even with Paul968 taking ballast he's a lot quicker than me.  ;D

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Paul Richards on May 19, 2008, 08:20:55 PM +0100
Sorry Paul, I promise to show more commitment next season!  ;D I am currently taking a small break from packing before I leave for Tahiti tomorrow morning  :-*  The wedding went well yesterday we both had a great time. I ribboned up the TVR for the church which looked great until some dozey bloke (not of our wedding) reversed into the front wing at the hotel car park.... ::) Its a bit of a mess but just cosmetic (nice cracks in the fibreglass) but he was very sorry and it will be sorted by his insurance. Cant imagine it will be cheap though! However we had such a nice day it didn't matter at all! See you all on track when I am back (with a tan!).

Thanks again to all the peeps for the effort that goes into this league.  


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: Truetom on May 19, 2008, 09:55:37 PM +0100
... before I leave for Tahiti tomorrow morning  :-*  The wedding went well yesterday we both had a great time. See you all on track when I am back (with a tan!).

If it's a proper honeymoon you'll come back a bit paler.  ;D  And tired.  ;)
Grats on the wedding and all that comes with it.  :wub:

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: jan duijs on May 20, 2008, 09:24:49 AM +0100
Congrats to all this seasons winners.Many thanks to the organisation .Hope to be there again in season 8.

Jan


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 7 Upper Endurance (GT1/C) - Donington Park (GP) - May 18
Post by: H@L9000 on May 27, 2008, 05:30:20 PM +0100
Great championship, i loved every minute of it :)

I have learnt so much about GTR2, setting up, pit stops, tyre life etc. And it is all thanks to the UKGTR races and forum. Full respect to all drivers and people that help out in the forums. My GTR skills and love of sim racing have grown massively as a result. Thank you all very much, I cant wait to race you all in the next season :)

I really hope we have GT1 enduro next season.

Thanks for excellent organisation and amazing standard of sportsmanship, UKGTR rules :punk:

H@L9000