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Practice: 20:15 (10 mins)
Qualifying: 20:25 (25 mins)
Race: 20:50 (28 laps = ~40 mins)

Track: Kyalami (1979) v1.0 (download here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.0)).

Cars allowed: Detomaso Pantera, Porsche 906, Corvette 1969, Ford Escort and Ford Capri.
Time of Day Setting: 17:00
Start: STANDING

Server: UKGTL Classics Cup
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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(3) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=177&theme=5)
(4) The season will be run using the UKGTL Skin Pack 1.6 which will need to be installed prior to racing; please get it from the downloads page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3358.msg54518#msg54518).

This was a fitting end to last season and it'd be nice to make it a bit of a tradition of it we thought.

So tempted to move the date of this (oooogh the power ;)) as I'll be away on hols. What a one to miss :'(

Move it to the week after. I'll have finished my exams by then and I'll have had time to practice, so I won't be such a danger to the rest of you... ;)

Yeah move it Ginsters. After all your efforts it would be a fitting reward.

Yeah, move it, throw in a fun race if necessary to give the rest of us our fix!

Why not do the Cadwell Park race that was cancelled earlier in the season?

Great minds think alike... I was going to suggest that. ;D

I cast my vote for moving (because I am also away on a holiday  ;) )

Is it a national holiday on Jun5th or is everyone just taking their vacation around that time?

You gents are very persuasive ;). However this date is not for changing, its unfortunate some miss it but we have a tight schedule to keep to with S6 just around the corner :) We need time for skins, track/mod testing etc.

Re Cadwell, at the mo we plan a fun race after Le Mans and end of S5 that will reward the gents that have supported UKGTL, i.e. those that have attended most races not scored most points necessarily. Unless we get a fix (slight hint there MJ ;)) in the meantime.

What no escort again.  :(

I don't think its a match for the Panty, Capri or Chevvy? If you enjoy it and want to use it, then it might be an option :)

It's all about the Panterrifying this race, I can't wait!

Be nice to be able to use it  ;) ....hasnt quite got the top end of the others but if you get the gearing right its not far off.Plus you cant beat the sound of the BDA  ;D

and there awful pretty when they blow up  :laugh:

Raced it dozens of times and never blown one up. :P

Aww you've not been trying hard enough  ;)

Escort added, just don't blow it up Dan :).

Am looking to join in for this race. When you say Corvette '69 do you mean the Corvette from '65?

Never driven the 70's cars before, god they are a handful! And the circult feels different from the last time i drove it in GPL many years ago, I'm having to slow down for the corners!

Any ideas on how far back i'm likely to be? i.e any times?

'69 corvette is the GTC-TC-75 one. (or is it TC-GTC-75?)

It will be choice of two from GT76 class Spanner. I wouldn't use the slower spangly red one ;)

Forgot I'm missing the Vette. Wiping away the tears now.

Nice one, just wouldn't feel right without the Escort....imagine the Monday morning commute in one of these - http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/34435

what the?...where the heck is my 911 ?  ???

waaaa, waaaa...spits dummy out  ;D  .........but no seriously, where is it?  :(

ps. saw your hint hint SBG, but alas i never got a response when i tried following up on the Cadwell park probs. Are we sure there is a problem with the one i posted? As i thought Simon said he had no problem with it  ???

pps Great track Kyalami  8)

I might just join you guys for this one,had gt legends for a long time but not relay played it.
I think i will take out the bright yellow pantera mo-chine any ideas what times round here ?
I think from my blast i did a 1m:26:600 which i guess is slow

Err no thats not slow ;)

My best so far is 1.27.5 in the capri (ghia with fluffy dice). I just couldnt reign in the way-would pantera.

It worked fine for Simon but not for Pseudo or I, therefore its a little too risky to use I believe. We're just organising a fun run around Cadwell at the mo to reward the gents that have supported us, with their attendance, throughout S5 and details should be with you soon. I believe there are plenty of tracks (Mallory is better in my opinion :)) for us to use without risking this one again. If you get a better fix that all might change though ;) 

I tryed the capri but was woefully of the pace of the pantera is there that much difference with the pantera over the rest of the Field ?
With not having much knowledge on gtl i am a little unsure on what performances the cars sould have,just had another blast and down to a 25:900 so i guess this car either suits my style
or outperforms the other cars.

Can I humbly suggest that as your starting your journey into the Kingdom that is GTL you consider the distance of your journey rather than the speed that you might travel at? ;)

You are probably so right as i will cook my tyres after 3 laps i guess.

I'd hate to lose Cadwell, its one of the best classic clubmans tracks we race on, as are most of the old Brit tracks, but understand your reluctance if it causes probs for 28 car grids. Must admit not had time to try the fix out myself yet. Will install it this eve and try it out and report back. Did you remove your old 'Hat' files as JR mentioned? Have read many times that can be the source of problems when using an updated version of a track that you already had installed.

Good suggestion.  :)  I guess 906 acts the most towards todays cars. I tried the Pantera once. Almost fell off my chair.  ;D

I will be using the Ford Crapi....dont like porka's, escort is weedy (duck and run for cover), pantera is the devil with wheels. Absolutely love the vette, but can't even keep it on track in a straight line and unfortunately this track has corners too...so no hope of using it.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

 Top man!! Thanks   ;D  Im gonna get slaughtered .

Your right Tony ..I only rev it to 5 and half!!   :P



Low 1.27's so far in the escort ,would of thought anyone going quick in capri ,pantera will be doing 1.23's??

And I just wanted to cheer with my 1.28.1 in the 906  :-\
Still got a very long way to go ....................

Only chance to drive the Pantera this sprint season so it has to be the beast.  Down to 26 dead, but can't match PRs pace from the previous Kyalami race, how he drags that nasty CSL round so fast I'll never know.  ;)

1:23 ?...you sure?

1:26's for me so far in the 906 but not had a lot of track time.

Your depressing me... !!!  ;)

I hate this track, have done lots of practice and can only still manage a low 1.28 in Capri at best!?
It's gonna be a long race :)

And me.   ::)

Bill

shame we arent using the other Kyalami track, i think its superior as a race track over this flat out horsepower fest  :(

my times were done offline so i bet im a second off that online  ::)

and me

At least some of us will be having a close race then.


and me

I'll try and join tonight, new wifey permitting  :-*(if not she's getting buried under the floorboards).

Jeeze, is marriage taking it's toll on you already Will? ho ho ho

"Marriage" - Can't be happy all your life" !!!  ;D

Not going to make the race tonight sorry. Going to watch Indy Jones!

Sorry to miss the last race but with my luck I would have disconnected anyway hehe

Have fun all!! :)

If SBG finished 3rd or less, I'm still bringing in the title, even after missing 4 events :). Come on SBG, win it :).

ermmm...sbg is on holiday.... ;)

server is named 'kyalami sprint'......I get it right one day  ;)

Well, I don't know what that was, but I got DQed at the start. The car in front of me didn't move, and in my effort to miss him I swerved to the left and spun out. I waited for the rest of the field to come through and the spun myself back the right way and started to go forward. At that time I got a message I was disqualified for leaving the pits under red lights.  ??? ???

Oh, forgot about that  :)


I can remember bugs that get caused when driving past the pitwall too closely, and the game thinks you're in the pits.

Not saying that was the problem tho  :)

Similar strange one for me..

Started rolling backwards on the grid.....with my brakes on to the floor ???

managed to get going though and not much prob...till lap 2 when my brakes started acting a little intermitently....Just about getting the hang of that when I got a DQ for not doing my stop n go.  ???

can only assume that was something to do with rolling back at the start.

Only good thing...from what I saw...the start was better.

Apologies to passing Capri - tried to tuck into right through the flat right kink to give you the line but the kerb threw me off straight into you.  Hope I didn't damage your Capri too much but my 906 was a mess.

Bill

I hate this track, just can't do it! Sulk !!! :-\

Grats all.

3 unforced errors and very slow pace left me 12th!?  :(

Can we ban this track!? or can someone show me how to drive it!!?? ;D

Good chase, Tinman. Sorry for the contact, glad you could keep it on track. I'm not experienced enough for such a close racing, don't know how far the car will slide.  :-\

Grats to Legends!  8)

And to podium, of course.  :)

I'm afraid you took out Mr Oily and he's a bit displeased. He was 4th.

I just love this track  ;D
I'm not good and this is the first race I didn't make an error . So it must be the track :laugh:
Had a fun race with my first ever top 10 finish . Hope to get my levels a bit up before next season start so there will be more of these races from my side.

Apologies to you Mr Oily.

Bill

I really enjoyed it - but felt sure you would make the pass stick sooner or later. And you did!

Now if only I could work out what the hell Will was playing at?

TC

 :-[ thinking i could get back positions in that car that im not good enough to drive in - pretty eratic - sorry for getting in your way guys

1st race in gtl and probably the best race i will ever have.sumhow got pole with a Pb early doors,then having to wait to see if Keith could top it.
Luckilly he didn't as i needed to be as high up the Grid as possible as i am laim at starts which proved to be as i was quickly swamped.
Luckily a clean 1st corner and a misstake buy fellow panterea let me back into 2nd which just left Keith to catch,finally did and we overtook eachother a few times,with some clean crisp takes.Then Keith got a couple of seconds gap which soon turned to 5 seconds when sumone left as i was on an apex which caused me to go off ,5 seconds behind now i decided to consolidate 2nd place until 3 or 4 laps left when i just went for it as they tyres were surprisingly fine closing the gap to around 2.5 seconds the the race was over , just needed another 2 laps to make it interesting.
Anyway congrats to Kieth on a great win and a superb clean fight,luck forward to racing next season with you all  :laugh:

Well, it's ok with me, you helped me keep my position. Never knew Crapi was so good on the straight.  :-\

Another amazing sunset, i didnt realise GTL graphically was that good!

Managed to get a half decent lap in qualy early on then just tried circulating but didnt really improve at all. After a tweek to the dampers, first lap out and i improved to 6th, which turned into 7th eventually. Great! all i need is a good start ::)

Just in the middle of the countdown i realise i have no idea what to do! Got far too much wheelspin and took the easy route of change up to second but i bogged down and ended up back around 12th. Then got a bit confused and hit the barriers when the two prodigy guys infront decided to take both the inside and outside lines through turn 2! Then spent the rest of the time trying crawl back up the order but twice spinning after getting too wide at the slow left hander meant i was nowhere near anyone and just carried onto the finish.

Good race for me, finished 4th and great result for Legends with 3rd and 5th places also won by my team mates  8)

Only two other guys i was really racing tonight bizzarely. One was Mr Oilly, my only real competitor as we ran 4th and 5th for first 10-15mins of race both on the same pace until whilst trying a bit of pressure on him, i pressed the brake pedal just a tad too hard and got an almighty tank slappper down at T1 that saw me embroiled in the catch fencing. That was the end of that chase as i lost about 12-15 seconds and had no hope of re-catching the top 4.
Unluckily for Oilly he appears to have had contact and i claimed 4th a few laps later in race.
The rest were still about 7 seconds behind me for last 15mins odd, so i was pleased for the company of Will in his Green 'Hulk' Pantera even though he was just trying to unlap himself  :P Thats the first car ive seen look good in that disgusting green paintwork !  ;D ;) Looked like he could have had a decent result with that pace other than going off a few times.

The race felt like an enduro to me oddly, no one really near me on track and a good case of keeping concentration and consistency to bring the car home in a good position.
In the end i coasted home to a fairly easy 4th place and fastest of the non-pantera crew  8)

The sunset across Kyalami looked absolutely superb, great work gents, very atmospheric  :-*

You ain't seen nothin yet matey. All I'll say is watch out for the big cat.

Very sorry for the delay with the results and replay.....they are now available.

Real life got in the way.....Wish I could introduce a 'punt rule' for that too  :laugh:

Grats all, got to take my hat off to you chaps in the Pantera's. Was convinced you'd have to make a mistake as the tyres disappeared and victory would be mine!  ;D Unfortunately it didn't quite go to plan!

Couldn't believe your early pace either Jonzo, that 906 was keeping up nicely even when I felt relatively hooked up so fair play, 4th well earned, shame we didn't get to carry that on a bit longer. I couldn't believe my luck when you dissappeared from my mirrors but my left front was cooking up a storm and wearing heavily with 10 laps to go so I think it might have been closer than it first looked.

Bit gutted about the outcome obviously, not going to moan and apology accepted but would be really good if it didn't happen again  :thumbup1:

Good to see ya back Will, thought you'd pulled a blinder for a moment there into T1!

Cheers for another quality sprint season all, they just seem to get better and better.

Next stop, a little bit of something for the Kent massiv and ting  :punk:

yeah it was good fun for opening 10-15 mins Oilly, i was enjoying keeping your more powerful Capri honest and the leading panteras were only a couple of secs ahead at that point.
Like you, i was thinking okay just keep in touch with the panties ahead and their tyres will surely melt in last 10 mins of race and/or they would get lairy and have off's and Victory would be mine !!...but alas, they never blinking did  ::)

Great season again, top work chaps !  8)

Firstly I’ve gotta say great drives from both Sooty & Mark Jonzo (fastest non-Pantera)

My quali went well – could have been better I guess, but what-the-hell 2nd is great for me.

As for the race?
Wow, I got 1st …. fantastic! I’m sooo  happy :)  Had a good start, P1 by T1….Sooty repassed me few laps later….but that was no big deal and I was happy to follow closely behind.
Mid race my car seemed happier in the corners than Sooty’s, but I guess he had taller gearing –  so it was hard work keeping up on the long straight. Took a while a get a better exit on to the straight and finally pass under braking in to T1.
I managed to keep in P1 until the end – the time gap was coming down at end but my car was stable, with no big tyre issues (i was easy on them during the race) – I probably ran late 1:26’s in the final laps?

Well it’s been a while since I’ve got 1st in a league type race – last time was Bude’s porker Cup earlier this year.

1st in simracing league race, mann that’s better than getting a Gold Star in BF2 for POOdleSquad  ;)

** Thanks to [POOdle]Andy for practice battles in the build up to this race. **

That was a little bit of a dull race after the first half lap, just trundling round keeping it very safe to get 3rd, which was all I needed to get second in the championship with PR and Ginsters missing.

Start was fun, I got a good one, was looking to get into 2nd behind Keith after Sooty's slow start, but the gap closed and I had to lift, so all momentum gone.  Then Will came flying through so I braked easy for T1 and off he shot like an Exocet.  :o  Settled into 3rd and stayed with Sooty and Keith for several laps until I noticed Oily's Capri slipping back so I eased off and that was it.  No point pushing to stay on Sooty's tail, I don't really have the speed in the 76 cars to challenge for victory, so I just took it easy and kept close enough to benefit from any mistakes the top 2 made.  But tyre wear on the Pantera was very light, so the car never got difficult to drive.

The only interest was occasionally picking the pace up if I noticed I'd done a good 1st sector just to try and beat my fastest lap.  That was definitely the most strategic race I've driven, and consequently one of the rare mistake-free Pantera drives.

Sorry to pip you by 2 pts in your absence Ginsters.   ;)

Grats to Keith for the win (try raising the rev limit to 7000/7100!!) and Sooty for a great debut.

Thanks.  My problem appears to be that I try not to impede the overtakers and move over and take a tight or wide line into corners often getting cutting track warnings.  I'm sorry to say I've now had 3 incidents,  including this one, by taking a tight line and having probems with kerbs .  I think in future I'll wait until after corners when it's safer.

Once again sorry.

Bill

Yeah no worries Bill, I always used to find it a nightmare being lapped, particularly if you're trying to run your own race.

Personally I found it started to get a bit easier when I flashed my lights once when ready to be overtaken, just took some of the uncertainty out of it. The others might think differently but from what I can gather its just a case of being predictable. Even if you don't move much and just drive your normal line, that's a whole lot easier to deal with for the person behind...there are some SROU guidelines knocking around somewhere if you're really keen ;)

Yeah, I saw you run off track in my mirrors when you let me through Bill.   :-\   

You only need to pull offline after exiting a corner and lift slightly to let lappers by, or do like Oily says.  We all (I certainly do) appreciate the consideration of cars being lapped but honestly no need to ruin your race by getting out of the way too suddenly.  I would hope all of us when lapping are perfectly okay with losing half a second or so through a corner behind a car, better that, than a lapped car falling off track and making everyone unsure what is going to happen. 

But thanks for being thoughtful, just don't ruin your race because of it!

 :o

Great result! Even some points for our team !! (now that''s a first...)

Think we have to paint more cars with single malts  ;)

Unofficial Lapchart (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/steveh/KyalamiGTL/)

And congrats to JR for winning the championship, too fast for us all again!

Thanks :)

Shame I couldn't be there.

Fairly quiet race for me. Had a bit of a battle with Truetom, Tinman & Dan early in the race but one or two mistakes dropped me about 10s behind them. Eventually put together some good laps near the end of the race & started gaining on Tinman but needed another couple of laps to catch him. Pleased with 7th though.

Congrats to Keith, Sooty & Steve, awesome driving in the Panteras.

Also well done to Ade, in the absence of Ginsters, we just managed enough points to win the Kerbies the Teams competition :thumbup2:

Cya all at Brands
Cheers
Geoffers

Congrats to JR and Steve :) Its been real sad not to see PR for last couple of races and I hope he'll return soon.

Many thanks to teamys Bill, Ade and Geoffers for making the Crawlers first serious assault on UKGTL a successful one. There's only one way to go from here ;)