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All members welcome; this is a non-championship race, which means that whilst there are no points on offer, the results will be preserved forever and official league lap records will be set.

Practice 1:	19:43	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	19:53	(25 mins)
Warmup:	20:18	(2 mins)
Race:	20:20	(130 minutes)

Cars allowed: Any GT1 or GT2 from the experimental v2.7.9.0 pack (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg76901#msg76901))
Weather: Changeable, based on real-world conditions at the start of the event.
Track: Le Mans 24H 'revived' v1.0.0.0 - download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_lmsarthe).
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: You must make a minimum of two pit stops. You cannot take your mandatory stops at the end of the pace lap, or with less than 1 lap to go.

Server: UKGTR Super Enduro
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
(2) You will not be able to join the server without v2.7.9.0 of the UKGTR ballast pack and the track (download from the links above).
(3) Drivers are reminded that they must select ISDN as their bandwidth, otherwise the stability of everyone's connection will be reduced.
(4) Please use the Driver Details (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;sa=driver_info) page to ensure that the league management software has your correct GTR2 'Driving Name' (not necessarily the same as your lobby name).
(5) Note that the track is relatively heavy on frame rates, so if necessary turn your shadows and other graphical settings down to ensure that you get a decent number of FPS.

;D

Will this be the chicane track or the 1990 one?

The 2003 chicane track which is available from the downloads page.

Very nice, I do love Le Mans ;D

I'll be back online tonight for the first time in months!

I've never driven in Le Mans for GTR2 but I'd love to, so this could be the opportunity to download the track and enjoy it with a good race :D

Sadly being Fathers day i think i'll need to be somewhere else. Which also means i'll miss out on the real race as well.  ??? >:( :'(

Oh noes this revived version is very bad for my fps... will only race if its dry and on daylight lol

Tip my hat to the creator :angel: of this track, its been beautifully done 8)

Very nice indeed.  One thing to think about though...people with less powerfull systems may have FPS issues

If this old PC (which I'm sure Mr.BMW could come up with some good names for) can stand it I might be racing it...have you decided on the car class yet?

I was just thinking about that - I'm thinking maybe GT1 and GT2? GT3 are a bit slow for La Sarthe and if we use GTC and anything else we'll only get GTC.

A gt1/gt2 mix sounds excellent to me.

GT1 / GT2 sounds good to me. Will need a high turn out though to have enough peeps to race with the split classes. Especially with the race length (which I love) but not that many other folk care or are available for.

It may well help with attendance for this one being on a Sunday instead of the Super e normal saturday spot, and the greater range of cars available.

Is the the full length LeMans 24H circuit rather than the MotoGP configuration?

If it's Sarthe it should be the full one.

Ah, so it's the one where you have to remember to bring your own pillow and brick for those long long straights. ;) ;D

Or a chance for some of us mortals ;D to have a rest ;)

Just over two hours is not normally a distance I would consider racing :-\, but the circuit is just too.. tempting ;D, plus the inclusion of GT2 Cars is a real plus 8) and positive decider.

First post now updated with full details.

I know I've seen a list of which cars are in each class somewhere around here...but I can't remember where it is. :-[
Could someone post a link to it?

Are the gt2 cars still required to make 2 stops?

oh lordy lordy Le Mans  8)

I really hope i can make this one. Doing my motor bike direct access course that weekend :o and want to watch the real Le Mans on TV so will need some clever negotiations with 'she who must be obeyed'  ;) as will have zero time to do anything rational like keep her company...perhaps i better keep the crash helmet on when i get home  :laugh:

Best bet is to use the in game buttons I find.....just highlight the class/classes you want and it restricts choice to them.

Yes - I know they can go with just one but it seems appropriate at Le Mans to have to make more than one. :D

I assumed it would be runing during the day.  Oh goody! I'm in.

Err whats the point of the warm-up? If, say the weather had changed that doesnt really give you chance to try anything out.

No your right spanner, but it does give some of us old folk a chance to go pee and replace worn batteries in pace makers etc before the start of a long race  ;) ;D

Anyone suggest any times to aim for?

Not sure what car to take yet.....probably the S7 but maybe the Lister. I want it to rain! Really rain! Flooded track please! ;D

If the straights are really long, you want the Viper (FOF), fastest car in a straight line ;D. And wave when you blow those Lambos away :P.

The Lambo will get eaten alive here. It was about 8MPH slower on the straights.

I did however notice is, it now has a 105l fuel tank.

Having sampled some of the french gravel i'm hoping it doesnt rain as they are particularly difficult to get out of!

And i swear every version i try of this track has a different sequence of corners after the porsche curves.

That's 'cause they keep changing in real life. ::)

Did my first opening laps here last night to get familiar with the circuit again.
Wowee, the track is gorgeous, looks so real with road traffic signs and usual paraphinalia trackside  8)....goosebumps a-plenty !

The long straights can sometimes seem to go on for ever but the whole track layout is very challenging overall and a wide variety of corners and complexes to catch you out. Brilliant race track.  8)

Not decided whether i will run GT1 or GT2 here yet but i took the RSR out for a few laps and got down to 4:15 so far with im sure a whole ton of time to take off yet with the more laps i do. Rear wing is tricky, i'd assume a low wing for those long old straights but it makes it mighty tricky in the curves with a low wing!  :o  Took me 3 laps to get the gears right !

Shame we cant have an update-able time screen for peoples laps here like the Rolex timer at Le-Mans. Would be good to see peoples laptimes leading upto the event, perhaps we can all keep posting PB's on here ?

Awesome event.

Tried the Lambo and the Saleen round here so far.

3:57 in the lambo
3:50 in the Saleen

Qualifying will be interesting....takes that long to do an out lap there wont be much time left for any mistakes.

is there any way of rigging up some clever laptime recorder from the server thats running Le Mans as the practise track ?
Wondered if one of you clever nerds IT people could hotwire a little time recorder application into it, like ive seen used at other race leagues.

Could be a cool feature to have for all our race events if you could get it to work. A live timer/session recorder.  8)

Just done a few laps in the Lambo, low 3:53 was my best.

3:50 in the F550. Started the lap with about 30L fuel and ended with about 20L fuel.

Awesome track, one of my all time favourites;D This will be an excellent event and I am really looking forward to it.

H@L9000

Yes this track is really nice.

My pb at the mo is 1.48 in the MC12.

Wow that's mighty quick ;)

opps sorry thats 3:48  ;D

Hmmm, i am tempted by this.
Going out for a meal that afternoon, but should be back before the event starts, so count me in  :-*



Just seen the start time - can't make it  :'(

What a track   :o  Love it...Did a 4.10 in the RSR after about 4 laps so im sure theres a few seconds to come off of that and 3.40 in the Maclaren F1 longtail  but i guess that dont count.

Update: PB now 3:47:3

I will need to put some practice in for this one as I was well off the times now being posted.      I just found the lambo out of it's depth here. Too many straights exposing it's weaknesses.      I'm thinking of going with something I don't drive just for a change.     Not decided as yet.       Can we maybe have a list of drivers and what class they intend to drive so we can balance the field?

I will be in the Saleen. As it came dead last in the Super E manufacturers championship.

But it's still the best car ;) (with the F550 stripped ;D).

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Such a shame I can't be there, finally a speed track :)

What changes have been made to the 550?      Can any of the cars make the 200mph barrier?

Less torque with the weight which was already there few seasons.
If any car can make it will be the Saleen or Viper. Just run 1-1 wing ;D.

201.4 mph ....no changes to the 550 as far as I can see

(http://i104.piczo.com/view/3/w/y/d/v/o/u/o/a/v/c/h/img/i346440302_85370_6.jpg)

GT2 for me, 4.06 so far.

im still salivating at this one. Out of interest what wings are you guys running ? Does it count as a high speed track like a Monza configuration ?  ie 1 front splitter, 2-3 rear ?

2:4 for me .... gets me round the twisty bits facing the right way.  :)

  Over 200mph with 4 rear wing?   I must have been poor out of the corners the other day as even running 1-2 wing I did not manage to get 200mph from the 550.    I just used my monza set ups with longer gearing. All the set ups felt stable enough except the Lambo which felt dreadful which confused me since my basic lambo set up seems to fit everywhere.

The top speed I can reach in the MC12 is 195.

Lap Time: 3.47.2

Hmm... The Lister isn't that slow then  ;D


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im finding with my gears stretched to fullest limit i am redlining the gearbox for far too long on the straights in the RSR which makes me wonder if the car will survive a 130min race  ???
That was using a 2 rear wing so should i assume that i will need to increase that wing just to prevent the limit light glaring at me on the straights and therefore kerb my top speed ?
Does changing the power diff affect gearing in this sort of circumstance?

The power diff will not have any effect on top speed. That's just a measure of how much power it takes to lock the rear wheels together on acceleration.

You will probably find the majority of cars red line on the straights here....part of the 'fun' for an Enduro race is looking after the engine. Setting up the car to last the distance is probably more important than top speed imo.

You can also reduce the maximum RPM in the setup - it'll lower your top speed of course but prolong the engines life no end.

For those that have checked there top speed in Motec.  Check your speed in game and the end of the straight. For me is differs by 5 mph 195 in game comes out as 201.4 in motec driver details tab.

but there is another thing, using the same data, Motec shows a different speed in the lap report 200.1.  All at the same point on the track.

If motec has got two different speeds from the same lap data I would trust the ingame speed more. seems very weird  ???

can someone check this out to make sure it aint me being a prat  ::)

For the graphs, Motec uses a 'corrected speed' calculation which takes into account the possibillity of wheel lock ups, wheel spin etc and compensates for them to give a more accurate speed measurement.

The speeds shown on the lap report should be the same...but it is possible to get a little variation due to the way the lap report is 'made up' and displayed as opposed to the Graph data.

IMO the graph data is the most accurate information you can get....looking at the speed in game will only give you an aproximation, (is it 93.1 or 93.9 ?) and who is to say you are looking at the speedo in car at exactly the split second before any deceleration occurs.

I'll stick with Motec....got to be more accurate.  :)

ah, good point on the revs reduction DG, had forgotten that ! :-[

Le Mans is all about endurance as well as ultimate speed so down-tuning the engine slightly is fine by me !
Be interesting to see how many detonate their engines here. :o

Are we going to use lightscaling for this one? Not tried the track at dusk/evening yet but bet it looks fantastic  8)

Drop the revs then you will kill your top speed. Badly.

No - the track is pretty hard on FPS in the daylight, weather plus night will kill a lot of people's machines.

3:55 now in the Lambo in race trim, 'interesting' tyre combination required mind!

One thing about the Lambo Dave, are you sure you can make it on 2 stops?

I was using 8.99L per lap and was thinking I would really require the formation lap and the 2 pit stops to try and help.

The fuel will be very stretched and I would need to reach the pits with next to nothing left in the tank.

Nope - but remember that the experimental pack gives it a 105 litre tank so there's a tiny bit more capability in it than standard.

TBH I'm going to lose out a lot on the straights anyway so I'm hoping for rain!

I was taking into account 105L tank, but the extra 5L here is slightly more than half a lap.

I was guessing that the race would be 32 maybe 33 laps, if dry. 32x 8.99L per lap is 287.7L. Not much to play with when the laps are so long.

 

You'll have 27.3l to play with, that's 3 laps. That should be enough by far.

Yes it leaves a spare 27.3l, if you return to the pits on exactly empty at end of each stint.

8.99L per lap would mean after 11 laps you have used 98.89L, you only have 6.11 left which will not see you around again.

32 laps will be the minimum in the dry. If it does not fall kindly it will be tight.




It's a bit like the 3 men who go into an electrical store to buy a TV.

They each have £10, 3x10=£30 and strangely they see a TV on offer at that price.

They make the purchase and just as they are leaving the store the sales assistant notices the TV was actually reduced by £5.

He takes 5 £1 coins out of the till and chases after the guys.

On the way he was trying to work out how he could divide £5 between 3 people.

He could not. So he thought stuff it, I'm doing them a favour anyway. They did not expect any money back.

From the 5 £1 coins he takes 2 of them leaving 3 £1 coins left.

He gives 1 £1 coin back to each of the 3 guys meaning each had spent £9.

However 3x£9=£27 add £2 =£29. Where is the missing pound?

Fuel consumption never stays the same over a whole race, and usually it decreases. It's up to the driver to make sure he makes it, and if that means making stops on only certain laps, stretching it to the limit, than that is what it requires.

I'll get lapped in any case. ;D I showed how easy it is to save fuel if you need to at Road America, running for over an hour in the Lambo.


I hope your pit stop calculations are better than your deductive mathematics: -27 + 2 + 25 = 0
The world is in balance once again.

Down to 4:06 in the RSR now after a few more laps. Still unconvinced on rear wing setting. More testing needed.
I am wondering how much time is lost through the twisties compared to time gained on the straights with such a low wing config.
An awesome track this. Real shame we wont be using lightscaling..cant we at least see some dusk? I hadnt noticed any FPS hit on the track.

I've been putting in a bit of practice today trying out a few cars.

There is an open server running practice session 1 all day.

I had a bit of fun in the Vette. If feels very nice and I can lap in the 3.45s in qualifying and 3.46s in race.

Normally a car I hate the 550 seems to sit really nice here, or I've been lucky with my set up.

I can do 3.42s in qualifying trim.

Looking at the testing times from the recent real life test the RSR's are doing 4.05 so this version seems real good in comparison. :)

Phew, not too far off the real world pace then in my RSR  8) Wonder if Flying Lizards will sign me up?  :P :laugh:

Tried the MC12 out around it last night, takes a lot of friggin setup work to get it right, just tyres and gears alone took quite a few lap attempts.
Feels great blatting around in a GT1 here, as cockpit view makes you feel like your in a prototype in the Massa.
But the porker feels like a dream, handling wise compared to this beast. I've had to give it -0.20 toe and 1.0 camber on the rear to stop the inside tyres catching fire on the straights !!!?  ???..weird, i think there is something buggy about the MC12. Its like its got pre-cambered axles to make the inner edge dig into the tarmac.
The rears increase by about 10psi as they get warmer so you have to start with low rear pressures and let it come to you over a lap or two. :o

ps real world Le Mans qually is on eurosport tonight  8)

Might be a bad choice on the reliabilty front, but the 360 P horse for me ;D, will really need to nurse things around here on the setup...extract as much reliability as possible, but a pleasure to drive, even better now (loaded Thinlane engine sounds thanks to Mark Jonzo) the engine sings very nicely 8). Down to 4:06 in Quali.

wonder if it might be worth doing one of your snazzy little votes/polls DG? to ascertain likely numbers in GT1/GT2.

At the moment im sticking with GT2 though slightly tempted by running the Maserati, despite its woes.

How accurate is the GTR2 rank times?

3.42.5 fastest, 3.44.5 second fastest.


Is it just selected drivers who use it or do most people post up their best times?

Oh look, a poll! ;)

Voted GT1 but might still have a change of car heart.  ;)

I've been trying the MC12 and it shocked me that the rear tyre temps rose 20 odd degrees just getting to the first chicane on the straight. nocked the toe down to zero and reduced the camber and it still did it. I'll have to try the negative toe. My main issue with the cars handling is going though Indianapolis when the back end jumps and spins me. Cant belive it bottoms out? Need to do more work.

If reducing settings to useless settings make the problem still occur, it's no use getting to those values and it's best to stick to better values.
Problem will remain the same, car will just handle better.
I think you should try looking for the problem elsewhere than camber and toe settings.

Yeah, me ;D

PB is now 3.46.9. I mucked up the last section of the lap so I reckon I can get another half a second at least.

anyone done any wet laps yet? I spent about 20mins tweaking my setup to suit wet conditions (just in case  ;) ) . I was surprised i could still get away with a pretty low wing setting but you have to be a bit tippy-toe through some sections. Think i was running 2:11 in the RSR in 40% rain.
Frame rates were average 45-52 but dropped to 30 ish at the stadium s/f straight.

I'm worried about the rain. My set up is useless in the wet but brilliant in the dry.     I will need to think about a set up to compensate for the forecast.   I've not been having any issues with frame rates. It's been very smooth and nothing obviously wrong. Really liking the track.

I've only done a couple of laps in the rain, I think i got a 4.06.

I don't think we will be worrying about how fast one can lap in the rain. It's if you can keep it out the barriers.

It's tough and a few corners the car can just snap and you can't catch it.

I was 4.00 in the wet with my wet set up and my best online PB is 3.41.3 on the gamers crib site with the 550.

I've been doing 3.43s with various cars on the real practice server with performance balancing changes

i take it that as we are using the experimental pack we can only use standard game skins?

why are we using the expo pack for such a big brilliant race by the way?
guess that extra big lambo fuel tank will come in handy for those that use it  :whistling:
Anything been done to the RSR that i do not know about? Drag anchors, lead lining, fat bloke in the boot etc ?  :laugh:

Christ!......on a stick....Thats some fast times.  My race pace in the dry is the 3.49 mark, give or take a second.  I hope there is somone as fast as you to race against :D  Is Rusky takin' part?

The forecast is for clouds only isn't it, so at worst we should only get light rain.  It will be very intersting if it does, but lets just hope my pc dont crash like it did at Road America, this track is very hard on frame rates, I wonder if there will be a problem if rain does come.  We dont want a 3 car finish again  ??? ::)

I'm unlikely to take part in the next year and a half ;D.

Yes.

Drag anchors on the RSR... wish I'd thought of it! :P :laugh:

Because a few changes have been made to the GT1 cars I wanted to run with the experimental pack just in case they have any unexpected effects.

I've just noticed the new 2.7.9.0 pack is only 500kb. Do we install that over the existing 2.7.5.0 pack or can we not bother with the new one?

I'll try to run the S7 in this, providing I don't have to run to the toilet  :nuke:

They're completely separate packs.

Right....

So we're racing standard cars then? 500kb can't possibly include all the usual skinned cars.

Unless I need to, I won't install this new pack as the existing one seems fine.

Yes - you won't be able to race Le Mans without it.

There'll be a new pack for the next three test races which will be incompatible with the existing packs and then after that a new full pack for Season 8 with skins.

OK, thanks.

Just tried to join without the S7 pack but with the new pack installed, but GTR just freezes up when I input the password....

I'll have a go putting the old pack back on, but if it still doesn't work, I'm out of this one :(

EDIT: Still can't get in. Have fun lads  :'(

If you can use the 107l-tanked Lambo offline it's not likely to be a pack issue.

I've just done a 3:53 in the Lambo with splitter on 2 and more rear wing - fuel consumption is hardly affected ??? so I guess I'm going with a high downforce setup, which will also help if it rains.

Lambo with 107 ltr? my pack says 105

Just tried the Saleen out of interest. Only ever done a few laps in the car...

Track P.B  3.46.808.

Really nice to drive, it's steady at the front end and is good on the rear tyres compared the the Massa

Interesting, the Lambo only has 100l for me. I've joined the server Kerr mentioned too, so no probs with the track. Seems like the new track pack doesn't like my GTR install.

Try a 'Copy' install of GTR2 FreQ and uninstall any other UKGTR stuff in that before loading the new one....not had any problems with the new pack here though  ???

BTW...are you selecting the cars from the correct 'Tab' in game?

;)

When you go to the server you can only choose from the cars that are allowed.

You can't pick a wrong car

Ah, I've been playing with the updated values ready for the second experimental pack which must have a bit more. :D


You can't have the experimental pack installed correctly if the post season-7 class Lambo has only a 100l tank. You should have some UKGT3_* files alongside the standard car files, these are the experimental ones. You can also verify correct installation of the pack by checking that the Elise, 350Z, Vertigo are all in GT3.

Well, after a few more installs, I can now see the 105 ltr tank...but I still can't get into the svr. It's had 0 people in it for ages, can anyone else get into it or is it a problem with my game?

Just connected now....no probs.

Weird. Oh well, thanks for helpin peeps.

 :nuke:WARNING:nuke:     :alien:    :nuke:WARNING:nuke:



PS. My pb is 3.48ish in the Lister so I'll stay in the back of the pack and learn. I can maintain a steady racepace just below 3.51-52 DS.

Ok, I'm lazy and don't want to read through 8 pages, so if this question has been asked and answered already sorry :P :angel:. Is there a breakdown of what cars are in the GT2 class please, as I'm too lazy to download the car pack at this time too? :)

Yep, they all breakdown.  ;)

M3
360 GTC
Seat
Porka with a questionable sexuality turbo
porka rsr

Shark, this experimental pack is very small, just download it. :P

I dont suppose someone has got a timetrial file of a decent GT1 lap around here they could send me? I'd like to try and work out where i'm losing sooo much time. My first thought is down the straights. Should i be on the limiter half way down or just hit top before braking?

Whats this the RS??

Porka 911 Bi Turbo. (it was getting late when I posted :laugh:)

Sorry, can you clarify whether I should be uninstalling the previous car pack or not with this new car pack, or do I need both?

You don't need both...and you dont NEED to uninstall the other pack...it works with both installed but takes the game a little longer to load in.

I'm seriously thinking about switching to GT2 to balance the numbers out, and because I can't quite get comfortable in the Lambo running with the crazy tyre choice I feel I'm having to make. Done a 4:02.289 - in which car I will not reveal - worried about reliability and tyre wear but felt a bit more comfortable.

Soft/Hard? ;)

Fronts are usually a bit cold round here, purely because so much of the lap is straight!

Ahem... yeah, something like that. :laugh:

The problem is not just the temperature - the problem is that if the rears wear much quicker than the fronts, the car will go from balance, or even understeer, to big oversteer as the fronts still have grip but the rears don't.

I've now found a car in GT2 which, whilst not the quickest, appears to wear its tyres evenly, so I'm going to be using that.

The Seat had even wear, although very high wear due to the shotty Dunlops.

I notice the track textures have horrible effects when using lights (flickering triangles), so good job this is a day race. 8)

Are the skinned cars intentionally not in this new pack? I can't select one on the server and in off-line none of the skinned cars come up? (Or am I not doing the right thing?)

Get it mate.  :D

Down to high 4.05's in the rs, Thought the rs was in GT2 will have to do some praccy in the rsr. Trackl is awsome ...love trying to get into them chicanes nice and smoothly on the brakes with the low downforce, great fun  ;D

Yes - to keep the size down. They will be back in the official 2.8 pack but since I wanted to do two revisions of the experimental pack and didn't want to force any new people to download the 2.7 pack to use it I left them out.

After some test laps, I don't think I'll join in with this. I really don't like the circuit and at 4:14 pace I'll be a mobile chicane anyway. Hope you get enough to make this long circuit it fun.

Now you've told me your laptime I insist you turn up, just so I can beat you! :P

No Sharkie,  GT3 race is Tuesday.... ;D

Having not even got close to Shark's time, and with the fact I don't really want to run 2 hour 10 races, I'll be doing something else to!

My appalling times are made even worse as I got 268 MPH out of the BiTurbo!

(http://www.cixvfrclub.org.uk/pcatest/GRAB_023.png)

How can you have a speed of 268 when the revs show your idling? Whats also worrying is the amount of sky!

It's often a problem with 3rd party tracks, they can have holes you can fall through  ;D

I could only get 182 out of the BiTurbo really

I found a couple of black holes but they were over the fence after big accidents.

I've read a few comments about the textures in places. Apparently it's not too bad and only occurs when lights are on.

I'm also told you don't see the problems when using cockpit view.

Well, I'll be here even with my cold and low pace.  :wetfish:

I'll try and attend but can't promise - should be good though!

I had a long praccy session earlier with Kerr and co. I'm happy with the car in the dry now, anyone know the forecast?

Also, why bother with GT2 if there are only 6 runners? Why not 18 GT1's? ;D

Yes. It's at the top of the page

I still don't know what car to go with.

The vette is solid, the viper is hard work, the 550 and 575 very smooth, the Lambo an outsider but I've got it down to 3.44s now.

If anyone needs a set up for any of the above I will send them on

Yes, please.  :)

If your offering ;)

I will try and turn up myself but have not looked at gtr since i have kinda swayed to gtl the last 2,3 weeks.

what set up do you want? pm me an address to send them on and i will. I already put the 550 set up online. It's simply called 550Q and was the first one in the le mans folder last night

I've just been online and found the track wet - no fun at all and poor fps means I shall be a no show later. Good luck to the brave souls who attempt this race.  ;D

A timetrial file would be good to see where I'm losing all the time (for future reference).

Has anyone got an MC12 or Lister set up for this track?

My girlfriend is working tonight, so if its OK with you all I would like to race LM with you! :)
I will take GT2 also to help even the field, with my trusty Fez 360 - hehe

Will,

I will upload my mc12 setup to the online file when i fire up gtr2 in around 15 mins.  will post again with the name.


 Edit: - Uploaded to the lm24hre folder as RM - MC12

Timetrial and setup for the 360GTC uploaded in-game, both start with "Gizmo". 4:06 in race trim, stable as long as you don't carry too much brake into a turn.

Finally managed to get the online setups to work and downloaded that, but TimeTrial laps only show one lap and it's not yours. Can you upload to TS Forum please?

RM - Fantastic as always  8)

Yer cockpit no problem i concour as thats how i drive and no texture probs

It's there - I checked the online timetrials and for some reason it didn't take so I did it again and it seems to have gone up this time. ???

Been practising on a wet track against the computer, when I have the headlights on there is a glitch in the textures unless I use max viewing distance. I am using cockpit view. Just thought I should mention it in case anyone else has this problem.

H@L9000

Was gonna join but in the wet I just kept crashing :( More practice required I think. Hope you have a good 'un 8)

You can race me m8 i have had nearly zero practice and from what i have seen am like 12 seconds at least of the pace but it doesn't bother me
i just fancy a race tonight at least here i cannot get lapped i hope !

CTD at the end of qualy :'(

I hope my car was not on the track for too long :-\

Have a good race all, I am sure it will be one of the greatest UKGTR races of all time :)

H@L9000

My best GTR2 Quali session yet..2nd in the GT2 Class. 8)

Race started well in atrocious conditions, and by the 2nd lap I was 11th I believe, 1st or 2nd in the GT2 Class, then suddenly my rear end went through the 4th Gear swoops, my retirement stated suspension which would explain the sudden and mega rear end swap, although I had soft wets which I am sure were probably cooking on the rear by then....Hmm.

Great Race albeit a short one ::), Great Circuit  8) and Excellant real time weather 8).

Thanks for putting on the show Dave 'Gizmo'
 

My comp froze.  :no:

Nooooo !!  :'(  lost connection when i went to leave my pitbox :( Dont believe it, i was loving that.

Was enjoying a cracking race despite all the weather could throw at us. It felt like a proper Le Mans endurance race, making tyre guesses, watching the weather, moving off line to cool my wet tyres etc.

Ran 3rd G2 for a long time after several people had early spins or got caught in the 'proper' gravel traps here, myself included !
Was on soft wets from the start even though i think i should have picked hard wets but the track said flooded so took softs.
Within 2 laps they were overheating big time on the straights as had only test dry and hard wet tyres, so it was a constant case of keeping them cool offline. Enjoyed an early battle with andy eves but then my rears reached 'hot glass' proportions and the car even started swaying on the Mulsanne  :o
I dived in the pits as the weather got brighter and brighter and thought/hoped that the damp may have dropped enough to use slicks....oh no !
Came out the pits and tippy toed around for a whole lap including 20secs lost in a gravel trap as the car was like bambi on ice. Damn..thought it was a smart move with track drying and sky turning blue.
Anyway decided to pit again and put intermediates on and hope for the best until my next fuel stop but just as i exited the pit box i got an instant 'connection lost with host' message  :'(

Cracking race track, brilliant event and good turnout. (24)  8)

Hope everyone else had more luck and a good race.

I'm a fool!
Catalogue of disasters!
Qualified well but other than that.... can't say too much lol

1) Off on lap 1 - last
2) Wrong tyres - should have used inters! Had temps of 110 - 140 even when not skidding.
3) More off's due to tyres and my own stupidity
4) Suspension damage
5) 2 minute pit, well outside my pit window
6) Lost concentration - thought I was at 1st chicane, but it was the 2nd! Straight on into barrier. Lost wheel.
7) Game over

I take my hat off to any and all finishers - maximum respect!
- that was incredibly hard work!

They were the worst conditions ever!

I cant belive how bad that was, both the conditions and me! Just want to say sorry to everyone who i hit, got in the way and surprised by crashing. I hate those gravel traps.

Why dont they do a monsoon tyre!

Phew its over thx god my thumbs are aching  :-[

Quail 10th and found myself running in 3rd or maybe 2nd after around 10 laps after watching everyone fall of in front of me.

So two thirds of the race went better than i could have hoped for but last stop totally destroyed my chance of 3rd as the stupid gits filled here to the brim rather than a splash and dash,so once again i implode evrytime i do pit stops.So ran the last 15 20 min totally reving at myself so was falling off the track nearly evrylap till the end  >:(

Congrats to all that finsihed and podium boys

I started pretty well, but I was on soft wets, the highest temperature I saw was 160ºC in the left rear lol and they were also very worn, so I had to pit earlier than expected cause I was a mobile chicane.

I put inters and kept going, but I had to go so retired. I love Lemans, but I prefer it on dry conditions :-\ I couldn't believe the pace of the front runners, don't know what tyres were you on but I didn't feel like I was lapping slow... anyway congrats to the winners ;)

Replay and Provisional Results posted

What's with the DQ Freq?

Thought he DQ'd after the race?

I had a nightmare.....but loved every minute of it....PLEASE dont drop super e....it rocks.

2 seconds short of my pb left me down in 6th on the grid...sorry for the confusion on warmup lap Paul...I didn't have my labels on and just saw a car passing me and thought 'cheeky begger' so took it back  ::)...realised after putting tabs on that you actually should have been there, so let you back in..sorry  :-[

Weather was very Manchester....wet, cold and misserable but I had put some praccy in so was feeling ok.
Didn't go to plan. Just could not find any sort of rhythem for the first few laps and dropped back. Made a mess of the tyre choice first pit stop so had to come in again a couple laps later just for tyres....so I altered the board to add zero time in fuel and off again. Next stint was ok...started getting into it and through others pitting and falling off I got back to 5th.

Next pit stop though I totally forgot to put the fuel amount back up to 100 L, had a great stop too, now I know why...they only added 50 L  ::). That meant a splash n dash at the end with Paul only a minute behind...I just got out in front only to lose it in T1 and give the place away. Couldn't catch him again and had a couple of spins trying so backed off to cruise to the line.....Got a (pleasant for me...sorry paul) shock to see Pauls car parked up with flames rising from the bonnet on the last corner of last lap...so got the place back...(not how I would have wanted to though  :().

Great race everyone. Brilliant to see so many turn out.

Grats to winners and podiums.....lets just hope for more of this.

That was so tough, credit to anyone who brought their car home in one, or nearly one piece.

Qualified 0.3sec behind Freq in the dry.

The race started flooded and Freq was too quick. He was gone but I guess his tyres went off as he had a spin that allowed me to catch and after that looked to be struggling for grip.

I only made a couple of real mistakes. I lost it coming out of the second chicane and hit the barrier. I though as it was happening I will be ok here. NO. Aero and suspension was ruined. I could barely drive the thing back to the pits.

I was 1min 40sec up before it happened then about the same down after getting back to pits and having the repairs carried out.

I then landed it in the gravel and was stuck for about 30secs. I approached the corner as normal and for some reason the front just washed out badly.
  
After that and Freqs early stop it was clear we were is a direct race to on another, but actually nowhere near each other.

Come both our final stops it was close, Freq was just a few seconds up the road. he had a spin in front of me and that allowed me to get passed and enough of a gap to hold it to the end.

Well done Dave for gt2 win and everyone else for finishing. Unlucky to those who discoed and Paul for a late blow up. My engine only dropped from 97 to 94%

Dous anyone els have a problem with the replay evrytime i download it says it is corupt ???

Seems like you are not getting all of it.....check how many Kb you are downloading and how many the pack contains.

Wow hard work  :sweatdrop:

The first stint of the race was without doubt the worst I have ever had since I joined this league.  Truely shocking. Not becuase of any other drivers, it was my own performance. I think my average lap time would have been around the 4:30 mark, soft wets were just truely awful, I couldn't keep it on the road, I sampled every gravel trap. Even by team Psuedo standards, thats just poor.  ;D

At one point I was holding up a GT2.  I can't remember who it was but I apologise.  I wanted to stay out so I could have just two pit stops so I battled away..... but when I did a 4:45 on lap 8 I decided to pit in through sheer embarrasment.

I got lapped by the leader while in the pits which I wasn't pleased with I at least wanted to stay on the lead lap.   ::)  Others were starting to pit swell by this point.  I put inters on and rejoined in 13th place I think.  From then on it was a matter of keeping it steady I was able to go much better and started making places up (mainly while others were in the pits)  I had a lof of fun watching the gap reduce to the person in front of me each lap, trying to be consistant.

Half way through the stint I found myself in 5th 1 Mins behind Gazza, who was in turn around 2 and a half mins behind the leaders.  I was gaining on Gazza at a rate of around 10 seconds per lap, I think he was having trouble with his tyres at this point. When I was about 20 secs behind him he pitted.  I pitted 3 laps later and when I came out of the pits it was just infont of him.....which I was very pleased about. :clap:  :P.

Before I pitted I set to work on catching Sooty who was in 3rd at this point, he was about 35 secs up the road and I was gaining around 8 secs per lap.  The gap Increased to 2.5 mins after I had pitted.

After Freq and Brian pitted I found myself only 1 min behind them.  Sooty was in the lead at this point but he pitted and I passed him in the pits which was a real shame as at the rate I was catching him I would have like to have battled him for the position instead of taking him in the pits. The gap to the leadin pair stayed at 1 min until the end on the race finishing 3rd.  2nd place thanks to the DQ of Freq  :P

I thought I had a sniff at a GT2 win with the small size of the field but when the race started wet I figured I was screwed since my offline testing had failed to find a working tyre combination. Luckily the rain was a lot heavier than I expected and along with an extra click of rear wing (1/7 - madness), soft wets on the front and hard wets on the rear worked pretty well.

Things didn't start well when I completely failed to see a GT1 barelling down the inside into Dunlop and got thumped off. Rejoined and then fell off all by myself in the second Ford chicane whilst trying to talk to FreQ on TeamSpeak. Lost nearly a minute digging myself out of the kitty litter and thought that would put me completely out of contention, but kept plugging away knowing that there was still a chance of a podium if a few other GT2s fell off.

If there's one thing I really dislike in a multiclass racing, it's letting faster class cars go by, only to have them fall off repeatedly in front of me, costing me yet more time as they pass again and again. :no:

Tyres held up fairly well as the rain kept falling, and even after it stopped the track was so wet that I could go for well over an hour before they were overheating so badly I had to stop. By then my fuel was getting low in any case, so I pitted and gambled on hard wet fronts and intermediate rears, and filled the tank hoping to avoid taking any more fuel next time.

The strange tyre mix worked well for 5 laps until the rain started falling again; I spun in Ford 2 again, lucking not ending up in the gravel, and realised that I was now in need of full wets on the rear, and had to do a tippy-toe full lap back to the pits. Went back to my original selection of hard wet rears and soft wet fronts (and a splash of fuel, 'just in case' - wasted) and all was good again, despite a slightly overheating left rear in the faster sections. I'm not at all sure at what point I passed Andy for the GT2 lead - some time after the first stop I think - but by the end I had a big lead in class.

I've always found the 360 GTC to be too 'snappish' but at La Sarthe, the stock setup with very minimal tweaks (basically just diff, wings, ride height) was a peach. ;D

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We were hoping you'd get back in in time - why do these things always happen with too little time to rejoin? :(


We couldn't work out where you'd gone - I didn't notice a "MJ has left" message, I went to check on the standings and you just weren't there. :(


Silly sod was driving the wrong way up the pits after the chequered flag. ::) Results now corrected. That's why the rules sayOtherwise poor old muggins here has to manually work out the race time and correct the results. >:(

Can i have my 3rd place back then if he broke the rulze  ;D

Maybe if you didn't correct the results it would be an encouragement not to do it? :-\

I was merely "testing" the tracks warning system for backwards driving! I got no verbal warnings, just a sudden Disq - appalling! ;D

Was a really tough race. I think I made a mistake taking 1-1 wing in those conditions, as I was expecting things to dry out. It made staying on track really difficult, especially on the slow corners.

I also made the same mistake as RM by taking softs all-round at the start. Seeing the track "flooded" made me think they would last, but alas hard wets were the way to go, and after a few laps my rears were at 180  :o  2 spins in my first stint and losing the lead to Brian meant coming in for new rubber and starting again.

At one point I had a lead of over a minute, then slid into the barrier just before the start of the Mulsanne....brilliant  ::)  Had to do almost a whole lap with a puncture and explored most gravel traps on my way back. Then I stuck on inters as hard wets were melting and the track was far to wet for slicks. They were great for 2 or 3 laps until it started raining more heavily again, pitting once more for hard wets and too much friggin fuel (100l instead of 82). I cocked up my pit limiter as well....and had to manually cruise along at below 36mph to avoid a penalty....noob  :P

Looked great when Kerr exited just behind me and I thought we'd have a good fight to the finish...then I spun at the end of the lap and gifted him a 10 sec lead he wasn't to relinquish. Top drive in such difficult conditions! ;D

Also, great driving to Sooty who was bloody quick all race, and to Psuedodo who looked a lot more competitive than usual in his dashing Saleen ;) 

N1 on the class win boss  :angel:

Bah, what's a few doughnuts to celebrate a tough race and a good position.  :)

The rules say "should" not "must" - the data is still in the export most of the time, it just has to be reconstructed by hand. Sometimes somebody is DQ'd after the race through absolutely no fault of their own so I normally correct these results.

Wow a bit of a tough race, i'm not that good in the wet,
I got quite friendly with the barriers and nearly spend more time facing the other way and of the track than on it,
(oh and my first qualifying lap was finished by crossing the line in reverse lol :D)
got a stop go for speeding in pits,
cooked my rear tires by spending i think a minute or two trying to get out of a gravel trap :(
but what fun it was!
cant wait for the next one :)

I changed to inters at the first stop, which worked well on the drying track. I didnt notice when it started to rain again, so locked up going into the second chicane, thought thats ok, aimed to bounce over the gravel and spun. Had to wait for a few cars and Dave past me then.

I was about 38? seconds behind Dave when I got spun which left he looking the wrong way under the Dunlop bridge. Droped to about 50 seconds, then had a poor lap cause I thought my wing was missing.   :) Spun a few laps later, so just took it easy after that.  ;)

Thats the worst conditions Ive ever raced in online, first lap was so tippy toe, and I still drifted off into the gravel. Didnt help that my force feedback was playing up, so gonna order a G25 later.  ;D

Thanks all, great fun and well done the winners/ finishers.

Not sure about quick mayb consistant with only realy one bad lap which i could have done with a shovel onboard.  ;D

I never got round to trying the Viper in the wet. I just assumed with such levels of torque it would be a bit of a handful to keep straight.       Even for the dry I had set the gear ratios very low to help get the power down.     Did you end up using my set up, did it feel ok?

Yer m8 thx for setup it felt allright realy, as long as u do not push beyond it's limits also i ran hard wets on all stints front and back with know tyre were problems at all.

Viper has a natural understeer, and very soft feel, which both help to keep the car "safe" under wet conditions. Also, the Dunlop wets are the most forgiving wet tyres.

yes totally agree with that, its very blinkin annoying to have your own race screwed up as un-controllable GT1s keep harassing you only to fall off next corner - rejoin, repeat process etc all the time costing you laptimes. It happened for first few laps last night. If you cant control a GT1 dont take it !


yeah i got no warning it was going to happen at all, no dodgy warping or stutters, just the 'lost connection' notice in red then appear in the lobby. :( I checked my internet connection straight away and it was fine. But i had 10 BT engineers shot as an example just in case ;)  >:(

We should make this an annual event !!  8)

I wish I had practiced a bit more before the race, I've managed a 3:42.9 in the Lambo (standard one, dunno if it is different to the one in the carpack), even if I wasn't gonna keep the pace that would've been pole position lol

We had some good battles tonight in H@L's server :D

Awwww, cum on chaps. ::)....the weather wasn't all that good you know....I think everybody (GT1 and GT2) spent some time off track (read the reports...dont forget your own  ;) :laugh:)...I wonder if it was because they 'couldn't handle the car' or because the weather was a bit dampish.  :-\  :P

I think i only had one problem with a gt2 it was at the dunlop bridge section he left me tons of room but i had to
go on completly the wrong line so ended up going cross country for a while.As it was the same lap i when in the kitty litter i put it down to my bad driving  :-[

it was very treacherous. Still never sure what tyre is the right one for those various wet conditions. Track said 'Flooded' and raining with storms so surely that should be soft wets all day long  ??? Thats what i started with and were good for first few laps then overheated massively. I kept cooling them a bit by splashing through the puddles offline and they cooled right down when it started to rain again. But as soon as the sky got bluer and track temp rose, they got so hot they turned to glass.
My choice of slicks was too premature so only did one lap on them before re-pitting for the inters. I was really looking forward to see how they would react as have never used them in GTR2 but alas i got Disco'd  :'(
Next time i'll stick with the Hard wets i already had on the car before race start  ::)

Amazing how poor the visibility was with a car or two ahead. The gravel traps on this track certainly work well, much more realistic. We could have done with some French marshalls to push us out  :)

Such a shame i couldnt complete the race as it looked like an interesting battle with DG and Andy tactically, with us all having to second guess the weather, and in the dry i would have eaten up DG with his 7wing..i had 4 !

Many add-on tracks already cause overheating tyres. Often a tweak to the GDB file must be made to make it more realistic. Something Simon has done in the passed and is being done at other leagues as well. That might be a reason why tyres overheated in these conditions, where they shouldn't have done that normally (at a standard track).

There are a few guidelines to check what tyre to take:
- Flooded is soft wet
- Wet is hard wet
- Clear reflections and massive spray on the track is soft wet
- Blurry reflections on track is hard wet
- And if you're driving with Dunlop tyres, never ever take intermediates, as they are bugged and give you around 50% less grip than you should get with those tyres. But in general, I never saw any use in inters in this game.

I normally still drive with slicks when it has just started to rain or it's drying up. They often give me the best feel.
Also overheating wet tyres aren't too much of a problem, within limits ofcourse. Up to around 130 degrees is still doable. Wets sometimes still give more grip at 130 degress than a slick would do at those times.

Jeff/Gizmo
If the Dunlop Inters are bugged and offer 50% less grip than they should, can this not be corrected in the new season car pack under test at the moment, or is this correction impossible?

Plus if over heating is an issue with third party tracks only, would a test race in the wet be advisable and the necessary corrections made before it is included into the season proper.

Overheating is normally apparent regardless of conditions - Le Mans is a peculiar place because of the very high sustained speeds. I still think there is something suspicious about the disparity between the heating of the front and rear tyres down the Mulsanne...

Yeah it's odd, the same happens at the Nordschleife at the long long straight before the last 2 or 3 corners.

Agreed. I did it too! In those conditions going off line was pretty treacherous and I understeered off at the start of the Mulsanne whilst lapping someone. I agree with MJ but maybe in these conditions, a pinch of salt is required  :P


I was thinking of that when the race started. All set to take Hard Wets all round, but upon seeing "flooded" I thought softs would be fine.   Alas no, softs were great for about half a lap, then the rears were constantly over 130 and peaked at 180.

Normally I'd try to go straight from hard wets to soft/med slicks, but the conditions were odd half way through - very sunny but the track staying pretty wet and no way slicks would work. The inters were perfect for about 3 laps (when I set my best lap) but then it rained heavily again and upon locking up under braking a couple of times, hard wets were the order of the day again.

I was on soft wets for my first stint. If you ignore the high temperatures they were fine. Wear was what you would expect.   I then switched to inters after my bump, as it was drying and i was expecting it to dry more.          The  car actually felt good but I was about 2 seconds a lap slower. The type pressures were too low though but I could not see where the time was going.   I put soft wets back on for later in the race and car and pace was the same. Having watched the replay the front right of my car was missing so I guess that's why I was losing time.      My experience of soft wets is to ignore the temperature and they are usually fine.

Those guidelines are for standard tracks. Like I said, add-on tracks often suffer from high tyre temp problems and that's why those guidelines won't count on those tracks.

After the first stint where I took soft wets, I had Intermediates for the whole of the rest of the race.  They worked really well for me in the wet conditions.

forgot to ask, did the track ever fully dry out or did it rain again? Would have been cool to see a dry line appear and then have to make that critical stop for drys.

I know this has been touched on before, but what weather utility (if any) do we(you) use for these enduros? Just wondering because we never seem to experience much variation once the race is underway whereas i have raced at other leagues where a race can start dry, then there will be a shower/downpour then it dries out again etc. Makes for a great tactical race.

It started flooded, dried a good bit but certainly not dry by any means. Still glazed surface.

When the weather goes back and forth between wet and dry a certain amount can be down to tactics, but far too much is down to sheer luck.

End up getting caught out and needing to make an extra pit stop would in most cases ruin your chances of a good result.

It rained heavily again towards the end. The weather.txt file is in the replay archive.


It's generated using a script of my own devising; the variability is adjustable and is set based on how variable the conditions look to be from the current conditions and forecast. This race did pretty much what you describe, just in reverse - started out very wet, dried out almost to the point where slicks might have become viable, and then started to rain again.