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UKGPL Season 15 - Historic Division - Race 7 - 66 mod - Monza

Finally back to a track good for 3L cars. :)


UKGPL Season 15 - Historic Division - Race 7 is this Tuesday at 9:00 p.m. London UK time (8:00 p.m. GMT).

Please be in IGOR UKGPL chatroom by 8:55 p.m.
(You will need to set up a channel called #ukgpl if you haven't already done so)
IGOR and Race passwords: see above

Server 3.ukgpl
IP address  87.194.135.42

Race date = 24-06-2008
Track = Monza
Variant = 66mod
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qually time = 35 minutes



Password: see above (#post_event_password)
(2) Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=LM2R&group=77&theme=6)


Chassis assignments:

Mclaren M2B Ford	Hristo Itchov, Lorenzo Galuzzi
T1F Eagle Climax	Neil Stratton
Lotus 33 BRM	Mike Beattie, Oliver Rakonjac
T1G Eagle Weslake	David Bryant, Remy Roesz
BRM P83	John Roberts
Ferrari 246	Ken Murray, Paul Skingley
Lotus 43 BRM	Syd Drake, Clive Loynes
Brabham BT11 BRM	Clive Gardner, Kruger Enge
BRM P261	Derek Howe
Honda RA273	Chris Bull, Amir Kamal
Cooper T81	Artur le Marquand, Robert Burton
Brabham BT19	Phil Thornton, Tim Robey
Ferrari 312	Terry Worth, Bernie Darwin

Typical!!!!!


We get to race at a proper track and my wife organises a holiday in the Lake District.  >:(

Humph!

Hard luck Clive

Pity you'll miss out on Formula Point and Squirt's most glorious hour :D

Syd's Dragster should be able to take the glory for Team Drake............ Hora - Hora Come on THE Team :D

Can the 2 litre machines have a 30 second head start? :P

Looks like I am working 2-10 tomorrow, unless I can beg someone to swap with me today. So I will probably not make this one :(

Bully.

No problem Chris, just leave the keys in the ignition of your Honda :P

We wouldn't want to waste a good 3 Litre engine, wouldn't we?  :)

I'd enter either of the BRMs if that's allowed?  I should be able to beat Clive's Lotus 43, if he's certain to be on holiday...

Any idea what the race length is ? can't see it posted anywhere , which doesn't neccesarily mean it isn't posted,  just that I can't see it if it is  :'(


IYSWIM   ::)

It's the standard Long race distance = 21 laps

BTW IYSWIM  :surrender:

Thanks Phil  ;D

I'm sure you can see what I meant by saying IYSWIM  ::)

Good Luck All


It's hissing down in Cumbria.   :'(

Hope you all had more fun than I did at work you lucky buggers :D

Replay and other stuff is up @ http://www.neurology-crew.com/gplserver

Bully.

Joined late in qualifying and managed to get onto an "unaided" 11th on the grid. Being more than a sec of the next 2 litre I didn't hold up much hope, until the was a large pile-up towards the front of the field on the run down to Grande Curve.

I came out of that round about 7th which soon became 5th and momentarily 3rd as others had more wheel banging incidents. ( some guy posted a rather rude chat about it all !! ). I was soon caught by Artur in the Cooper, who was dragging Evil along behind him. Clive and I then had great fun harrying the Coop for a couple of laps before Art drove off into the sunset. This all left Clive and I fighting over 4th, and we had a total ball, slipstreaming past each other.

It all came down to Parabolica on the last lap and I held the inside line, but there was a real Evil move round the outside by Mr G. and he won the drag race to the line :)

Some of the best fun I've had in GPL for years, thanks Clive :D

Thanks Chris,  they should have re named this one "Scrap Heap Challenge " cant wait to see this , I need a good laugh  ::)

Glad someone had some fun.That was possibly the worst UKGPL race I've been in for driving standards!!

Like Mike I didn't hope for much being stuck in a 2l at the wrong end of the grid but I knew from some sparring I'd done during the qually that with the aid of the slipstream I could at least have some fun with those slightly ahead of me on the timesheet. The huge mess on the run to CC put paid to any chance of that. I thought I'd got away without a reset but after a couple of laps of not even being able to pull top gear I resorted to a shift-r. That got my engine back on song but I was now virtually last. After being held up and knocked off the track at least once I finally got some space on my own and you can see from the graph I was matching Krugers pace, albeit at the wrong end of the race.

I think we should run Pro damage to punish the bad drivers.

(http://www.auga68.dsl.pipex.com/iviewcapture_date_24_06_2008_time_23_31_24.jpg)

Well that will be an interesting one for the moderators to sort out. 

Even with a tow from Ken and Kruger in praccy only managed 8th on the grid, so I lined up just behind Burt.  Got a good start but Burt bogged down on the line and I almost hit him.  I had to come right off the throttle and eased right to avoid him and I was almost collected by  Ken who had also got a decent start.  Luckily the minor contact with Ken didn't affect him but I was slewed right across the track and was lucky not to take Mike out.  Burt's bad start was the catalyst for the mayhem.  Burt you need a G25 mate.  There is no way you can compete off the line with someone who has an analogue clutch.  The 66s and 65s have a lot less torque that the 67s so you have to be able to slip the clutch to get them off the line.

Anyway got going in second to last place only to encounter the scrapheap at the Curva Grande.  Bounced off one or two cars but managed to squeeze through without needing a shift R.  At the end of lap 2 I was amazed to find myself in 3rd place.  It wasn't long before Mike and Evil were on my tail.  My 3 litre Brab had the legs on the straight so all I had to do was keep the inside line at Lesmo 1 and the Parabolica and they would have a real tough job getting past me.  It worked for a while but I clipped the grass on the exit of Lesmo 2 and spun and they were through.  So was Art.

Now down to 6th with Syd closing fast.  I decided not to hold Syd up and I hoped he would be able to pull me up to Art, Clive and Mike but my plan failed.  He was so fast I couldn't keep up even with a tow.  Something must have happened to Syd near the Curva Grande a few laps later because I passed his stationary Lotus and regained my 6th place which I kept to the finish.

Yes I noticed that too.  Please no bad language in chat, especially when the race is still running!!!! 

I think we need to wait until the race is moderated before we can say that.  The server replay is available if anybody wants to assess the incidents for themselves. Penalty guidelines are here (https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/penalties).


The intention (note intention) is to introduce PRO damage for the 66 cars in Season 16.  We didn't do it for this Season because we thought 2 PRO divisions (Masters and Div 1) was enough of a change between seasons.  In seasons 13 and 14 only the Masters was PRO and before that nothing was (apart from the 40th Anniversary in Season 14). 

With a lot of luck, a result I couldn`t have expected with 2 litre engine on this track.

Played it right in quali and on my first run managed a half 34 lap having had some tow in sector 1. I then had another go and tried to get some tow and improve on my position which was already down to 7th on the grid. Got the timing right and exited the pits just behind a Soggy train composed of Bernie and Lorenzo and that run shaved a second of my time which put me fourth on the grid. After completing that lap, I stayed on another lap hoping Ken might get some tow too ;)

I had a blistering start (even though I`m not using the analogue clutch of my G25 :)) and soon after start, cars in front had a contact and suddenly, everyone was out of my way and I had nothing but the sound of my BRM engine. A quick glance at Pribluda showed that many people were affected and I was all on my own with 15 seconds to spare after lap 2 (lucky bastard :) ).

I was under no illusion to keep the first place and watched for progress of the 3 Litre runners and soon it was aparent that Lorenzo was the one chasing me. I pushed as hard as I could but couldn`t do nothing to stop Lorenzo eating into the gap. Sure enough, he caught me after half race distance and passed so I was tagging along and my laptimes improved from there on. We had a great fun racing each other and two laps before end, I managed to slipstream into Parabolica and pass but stood no chance in a drag race to the finish line, which I believed at the moment was last lap and I already saw that Lorenzo passed the line before me. I lifted slightly but realized there was one more lap to go.

Had I not lifted, I might have had half a chance at having a go at Parabolica but most likely it wouldn`t stick to the finish line so I`m pretty happy with this result. Three races to go and there`s all to play for as engine capacity won`t be as important as it was here.

Grats to Lorenzo and thanks for another enjoyable race and grats to Art for making a surprise podium appearance :)

Results are up so you can submit incident reports now.
As for the start...
From the very start, I was looking in my mirrors to see where everyone else was. Since it was a staggered start I thought I could see 2nd and 3rd place cars in my mirrors. In hindsight I should have checked on car makes, and been aware that Ferrari was second. As it was I thought I made a good start, I could still see two cars in my mirrors (Lorenzo and Kruger), and about half way towards Curva Grande, convinced there was no one on my left, I started moving towards racing line. Suddenly there was wheel in my sight, and I tried to quickly pull right again but it was too late. Bernie was actually beside me all the time. On my client replay we never actually touched, but we came pretty close, and then warp did the rest. I had to reset and did a SnG at the end of the lap.
Then a couple of laps later, I got a good run on a ferrari (probably Bernie again) going into Lesmos 1. I tried to stay all the way onto the inside of the corner, but unfortunately clipped the kerb, which pushed me towards the middle of the track,and I spun us both out.
After all this I was last, and started my fight back. With about 7 laps to go I was just about to catch up to Clive when my engine exploded. Another reset and SnG and then a spin at Lesmos 2 and I was last. In last place and with no motivation to continue left, I quit with 5 laps to go.
A really bad race for me, compounded by ruining it for others too.

Qually went pretty well for me and got my PB of a 33.9 so was happy with 5th.  :)

As for the race well I got a great start and made up a place straight away. Was tearing down towards T1 when I noticed Syd and Bernie spinning in front of me. They went off track and as I was coming towards the incident the spinning Fezza slid right into my path and I could do nothing but collide with it. :( Lost a wheel or 2 so I done a NO FAULT Shift-R when it would let me. lol

This pretty much left me back in around 7th I believe when I eventually got going again and decided to plod on and see what happens. Made a few driving errors going into Parabolica but managed to settle myself down and start catching the pack. There were a few retirements and I got a place back after passing Tim and that was me now chasing Clive and Mike. I chased Mike down and got him going down into Parabolica. A Clive/Mike sandwich wasn't good as I was doing a lot of mirror watching. So now it was onto trying to pass Clive but always having my mirrors full of Mikes car.  :) Got nice drive out of Ascari and tucked in behind Clive and managed to overtake him into Parabolica. (Seemed like the best place to pass again  ;D) Clive wouldn't let go of that place very easily and he was in my mirrors for best part of a lap and a half. The Cooper wouldn't yield though and eventually I started pulling away.

The rest of the race was pretty uneventful  for me as I was trying to catch Kruger and Lorenzo. Not very easy but after looking at the replay I was matching them on times if not slightly quicker and was closing the gap but I ran out of laps and crossed the line in 3rd.  ;D WELL CHUFFED IS ME!!!!!  :P

I was watching the replay and the battles between Clive/Mike and Kruger/Lorenzo.........GREAT RACING GUYS! Very enjoyable to watch.

I'm now away until around the 15th July so good luck in the coming races and GO TEAM C 'n' B!!!!!!!!  ;D

OK yes, probably a rash claim born out of the frustration of droning round Monza for 20 laps on my own at the back, especially knowing I was on the pace of the leader!!

Not much to say about this except to bolster Kens views about the poor driving standards which IMO where worthy of the finest Monza "pick up" race  :(

No use harping on about this , but I would like to comment on people who really should know better trying to win the race before its started , No blame on Syd for the 1st one which unfortunately caused the havoc , it looked to be  warp contact from what the server saw although any further comments I will leave to the moderators .

The worst part for me was my being clobbered four times inside the first 3 laps , one of those black days , maybe something to do with the weather , who knows ? I just hope things improve for the next time .

(rant mode over )


Grats to Lorenzo and Kruger that was a great finish (vertual at least ) in the true Monza tradition and a great result for the Soggies  ;D

This race made me wonder if it would not be possible to have stopped the server and then had it re started in pre formed grid positions , all it would need would be a call from someone selected as race steward or stewards , I dont know if this would be practical but it would solve the problem of major shunts which must totally ruin the race for most of the drivers involved .

Worthy of discussion I'd say. Better the incidents didn't happen but if that was a real race it would have been red flagged for sure!

....followed by a couple of funerals, and some hospital visits no doubt  :(

Like Kruger I was not expecting to get any sort of result here amongst the 3 litre brigade. I managed half a tow during qually and got a place not quite at the back of the grid.
I actually managed to remember to save a replay of this race, usually I have just quit and get a "DOH!" moment.
Strangely enough upon watching my replay of the start, to see who the heck instigated that road block,  I discovered a phantom Fez!!
I could not understand why Syd appeared to veer sideways (when clear in the lead and on the straight down to Curve Grande) and run into the fencing.
It is not until a second car is collected by Syd's rebound that a red Fez ( Bernie's cloaking device obviously failed during the impact!! :laugh:) magically materialises on its side and somewhat "out of scale" in the middle of the mayhem.....wierd or what??

Anyway like just about everyone except Kruger I was forced into avoidance mode and slewed sideways to miss Syd and one or two other cars and found myself in the greenery on the left being pummeled by more "incoming" projectiles.
I figured I was entitled to a no fault "Shift-R", but there was just too much activity and had to wait for a gap.
Eventually picked my way out of the debris and was following Mike Beatie's tail pipes, a relationship that lasted all the way to the finish.
Phil was in front of Mike, and I think both of us were keen to make the most of any tow from that 3 litre barge.
I managed to get onto Phil's tail and take advantage of his draft for a few laps until he wobbled out of Lesmo 2. Mike was still chasing hard and I could not break the tow to him. Then Art cruised up in his 3 litre Cooper, taking huge bites out of us on every straight.
Once he was in front, it was a case of hanging on to his tail pipes at all costs, cos if he got away we would never catch him. Mike obviously had the same idea because he was hugging my exhaust as well.
I was pedalling that baby Brab for all I was worth and running at 10/10th's through every bend just to keep in touch, the inevitable happened at parabolica and as I applied just a little too much power just a fraction to eagerly the back came round and I performed a very graceful 360. This allowed Mike through and Art to escape, as the gap back to Mike was now just too much to be sucked along without me in that space.
I was about 3 secs back from Mike , but started to close by a couple of tenths each lap until I began to pick up his draft which pulled me onto his tail. by this time Art was over the horizon.
The second half of the race was a slipstream battle between Mike and myself with us constantly swapping positions as the laps counted down. It soon became apparent that either of us could effect a pass at the end of the two main straights, but even with the tow out of parabolica there was not enough grunt in the 2 litres to get past before the S/F line.
Therefore a devious plan was hatched. I would need to be in 2nd place out of Lesmo 2 and draft past into Parabolica on a perfect line to lead into the straight. Simple huh??!!
With 4 laps to go I had a dummy run, but was too close out of Lesmo 2 and did not gain enough speed to get a clean pass before Parabolica.
For the next 2 laps I sat behind Mike waiting to pounce ;D
Last lap and followed through Lesmo's actually easing off to get about a .5 sec gap, then nailed it !!! It was not quite perfect but i certainly got past Mike going into Lesmo, although I did not feel I had quite enough clear air to take the inside line. So I took route "B", and swept right around the outside keeping the power on and redlining 3rd gear onto the straight where I glimpsed Mike's nose in my mirrors. He was right in my wheeltracks and using the tow !!!!  :-\  and almost, but not quite got alongside by the finish line :devil:  and I had pinched 4th spot from him by about 0.5 secs.
It was a race long duel between us and I thoroughly enjoyed the fun. We both gave each other room ( I hope) to enjoy some seriously close racing and slipstreaming..thanks Mike.
Grats to the podium regulars and special grats to Art for great pace and consistency.

I agree with Ken, the first few laps were like a pickup race out there last night   >:(

I really struggled at times with the slipstreaming (not done much racing with the 66s), you don't realise how fast you are going until you reach the corners and boom! you're too fast & there is nothing you can do but rear-end someone. Sorry to Burt and Ken who I rear-ended last night at the parabolica.

After a few incidents I was running dead last and after a few laps on my own and the leaders not far behind I decided to call it a night.

NP, but yes you do have to be aware of the slipstream effect and how much quicker you can be approaching some of the corners.

No Problem Tim, After a decent qualifying session, was looking good for the race, but then the pile up at turn 1 i got caught in, and then again at parabolica Tim got me from behind.

In end i decided to quit in disgust.

Apologies for the language, I know im not that bad normally, just it got to me at the time.  :(

Tut Tut Burt , didnt see the chat but from what I heard you would have made Max Mosley blush.

And if you was miffed then spare a thought for a Ferrari, sat on the front row who had qualified with full race fuel on board.

at  "Monza" !!!


Took some explaining to Enzo afterwards , I can tell you    :-[

I got a problem posting a replay clip says file size is 446k, when max is 400k, can i upload it as a rar file instead?

No Rob, it has to be a zip file other wise LM2 won't accept it. I would recommend you to do the following:

- either cut the replay to be a bit shorter and it will automatically be less in size;
- you may not need to submit your client replay if its not different from the server replay;

Client replays are important especially when its the case of warp incident and when it will differ from server replay - what I've seen from the accident, it was no warp so just your side of the story should do fine.

yup all done thanks, I made the replay shorter, and managed to post it, had to download winzip tho, havent used it for ages since I use Winrar a lot more.