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Practice 1:	20:15	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:25	(20 mins)
Race:	20:45	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT1 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.8.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Dry
Track: Silverstone ('Northampton') GP v1.0.0.2 (download from here (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54521#post_silverstone))
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Upper Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

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quick question, is this the same Silverstone track download & layout we have used previously? Its the (GP2000) bit in the title that caught my attention.

Yes, same as the last race we did there. The GP 2000 bit is just because with UKGPL coming on board I've been more explicit about exactly which layouts are which.

I've already done a few laps here to test the 575 out. It seems a really mixed bag here.     Very good at bits but poor at others. Turn 1 was causing me real trouble.     I will need to work on car to get anywhere near the pace needed.

Seems like avery technical circuit, with some bits that are just waiting to bite you, and catch you out :o

Anyone prepared to say what wing settings they're using?

I usually was around 2-7 here.

Thanks Jeff 8)

Do GT1's generally require more downforce than GT2 class? ie i assume they are actually more dependant on it because of their higher top and cornering speeds ?
Im finding the Maserati very twitchy with 8 wing whereas with 10 the backside is staying in tune with the very fast directional changes.

I was running 2-6 but it's not the back that was the problem, just too much understeer.    I've not had anytime to go back and practice to sort things out. I'm doubt I will have time to do so before the race, so I hope grip levels really come up.      I'm also worried since playing iracing that it might be odd playing gtr2.   

Rather strangely both here and at magny i'm finding a 2 front wing just creates too much understeer and and running a 1 wing setting allows me to turn-in better.

Just tried the Lister and found it quite a nice drive. Just got into the 41's offline, but I doubt I'll be able to get that online. I hope I'll be more competitive than last night though.

The different GT1 cars have quite different characteristics in terms of downforce. The Lambo isn't terribly quick in a straight line but seems to allow quite high downforce settings without big sacrifices in its top end.

what a shame, I think I'm gonna miss this one and I love this circuit :(

I also find that with the Massa Mark, I find that increasing front ARB and keeping the springs low helps. Also when turning in I somtimes lift off the brake and throttle then reaply the throttle to snap the front end in. But you'll need to alter the diff settings depending on the turns for that to work.  I try not to do that to much, more often that not ill find my self inspecting the build quality of the barriers. ::)

P.s...I never have low wing in the massa. I just dont have the skill to drive it properly on worn tyres. I have it on 8. which is low enough in my opinion.

In my experience you can make the MC12 fast and twitchy with wing 2-8 or safer, i.e.understeery, and slower with wings at 1-11. Its obviously got pace around here but I found it impossibly unpredictable, from corner to corner let alone lap to lap, in race here last time out. Glad to hear a few of you will be in the same position :) 

Massa normally requires high rear downforce. This will not be a good idea on that long back straight, so it's better to catch the twitchyness by softening the back up a lot. Settings of 1 aren't odd with that car.


What the...;D. How on earth can that be? ;D


It's hard for that car to go any slower really :P.

Well i'm happy, managed to get down to a 44.6 in the end, with, yes, a higher wing setting but i think the extra wing only seemed to help by about 0.5 sec. That was in a calm, stress free environment with nice music on. In the stressed environment of qualifying no chance! ;D

Visiting me old man, whose just had successful hernia op, in hospital tomorrow so I'll not make this one. Try to have fun without me :)

I turned gtr2 on for 5 mins last night after racing on iracing.     You would have thought I'd never played it before. I was all over the place and kept turning in far too early for corners.     It felt so different. Can't see me doing well tonight!

glad to hear that Brian  ;) ..more chance for us mortals to have a crack  :)
Sorry you wont be there Ginsters, best wishes to the old man  :)

2-8 looks like my combo for the massa tonight. I seem to have ironed out the twitchy-ness but i wouldnt say its perfect by a long chalk. Its a tough car to setup but looking forward to a good race at the very fast silverstone. Track looks great.

looking forward to this :D gonna be testing the 550, which i'm a newbie too......any tips welcome with that beast  :-\

Drive slowly.  ;)

Watch Simon or ask him for some tips, he's handy in the 550. I've barely touched it, so don't ask me! >_< Alternatively download Huttu's setup.......and win by 100 miles ;D

Been struck down by man flu ::), however will still prop my self up in the race chair and have a go, I think my temps will be higher than the cars tonight :laugh:

yeah i have a small dose of man-flu, but i will win the day in the 550 then! if i get Huttu's setup anyway  ;)

thanks for the advice TT hehe!

Was planning to race this entire season, but with missing the first race due to work, and definately not being able to make Monza, it's not really worth it for me (starting a new job means I'm a little strapped for time).

I hope I can make the Enduro races, and I'll try to keep up appearences in the GT3 champs as well :)

Utter nonsense! Get yourself in whenever you can ya big wuss. Jeff's won championships before now by only turning up to half the races and winning them all, besides it's the taking part that counts.  ;) :laugh: :angel: ::)

Pole and win, I will happily take that as really never expected it.

I just found it so odd to play GTR2 again after [playing racing in iracing. I was struggling badly to judge the turn in.

Without getting that close to SBG pole record I manged to get pole.

In the race I just sat at a very steady pace and made no mistakes, don't even recall a wheel on the grass. How much will that effect my irating?

Again not that close to Freqs lap record but I was consistent

I qualified 14th and finished 5th.

Speed is nothing without control. :P :-*

 ;D Really enjoyed that, made a mistake with soft fronts as the front left was cooked at about lap 17 (36 wear!), but never the less, had a great scrap with Mark and Gazza all race, grats to the podium btw.

Ah its good to be back ;D

Got me a G25 now and i must say, it makes a difference  :o not in speed, but definitely how you feel the feedback it gives! no offs at all for me tonight very consistant wahoo! the only mistake was when i let team mates psuedo and reign man through woodcote on lap seven, whilst fumbling for the headlight button to give em a little flash, didn't change up a gear and lost speed all down the start/finish straight.....
JPS sorry for the little touch under pit limiter speed at the start :-[  had a very entertaining battle with Ade and spanner (with a little psuedo thrown in) throughout the whole race! most pleased with the finish and looking forward to monza.

congrats podium, see you in 2 weeks.

munk  

Not a bad race.  Had a good tussle with Gazzer straight away and managed to get a run down the back straight and passed him underbrakes at stowe 8). 

I then battled with my teamies for the most part and to tell you the truth it wasnt looking like i could pass them easily.  Madd in the lister got caught on the turn 1 kerbing which scrubbed off some of his speed which allowed me to get alongside and get him into turn 2, good race for lots of laps there m8 :).

Dan was next but again i couldnt see a place to overtake because i was never anywhere close enough to have a late dive underbrakes, so once again im looking for a mistake to get passed.  After a few laps of chasing Dan he pulled up at Stowe ???

I still had sight of Brian at this stage but he was a good bit down the road and i either got slower or Brian kicked it up a gear because i eventually lost sight of him.

cheers Mark

Engine let go Mark.. having a nightmare this season but nevermind ...Next!

I could just copy n paste my last few reports here....same again...terrible race.

Got 10th in qually...which was ok but 6/10th off my pb so could have been better.

Lost a couple of places on lap 2 when I ran wide a couple of times on cold tyres but felt ok and knew I had enough pace to attempt to get them back. But then a car in front lost it and skidded across the grass and came to a stop in exactly the same piece of tarmac I was aiming for :o...no way I could have avoided it and a hefty 'T' bone damaged my car quite a bit and the off put me to last but 1.

caught a battle of three or four cars ahead and basically spent the rest of the race swapping spins with them.  ;D....my lap times were 1.5 to 2 secs a lap below what I knew I could do, due to the damage, and I ended up spinning/half spinning at just about every bit that wasnt straight.  ::)

Ah well.....spose it's time to give iRacing a go.

Grats podium....well done again Gazza.

Plagiarism!

Yeah..im really sorry bout that m8..just couldnt stop the thing once i`d hit the grass..an unfortunatly knew exactly where i was headed...

Had a horrible race in general..no pace at all..so all in all i think i finished a few places higher than i deserved to..but thats racing

Results and replay up.

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That was pretty good, made a last ditch effort in qually with a different setup and got ahead of Shark and RR on the grid. Early race mostly consisted of watching Legends throw themselves off :laugh: and seeing the huge cloud of smoke which had once been Dan's engine.

Tried to heap some pressure on TT as his Saleen was pretty slow in the final sector but quick everywhere else and I couldn't see an obvious way by. That was overheating my left rear a bit and eventually I bit off more than I could chew going into Maggots and did a 360 in front of Shark's 550. Somehow we avoided disaster and the order was reversed.

This released TT to catch Steve's MC12 and that allowed the Team Shark battle convoy to drag up to the back of them. There was some light chaos going into Abbey after Shark got past and TT spun in front of me, wiping off my headlights but leaving me otherwise undamaged. I think Purdie, who had been slowly edging towards me after some sort of early incident dropped him back got caught up.

After that it was a question of keeping pace with Shark in case he made a mistake a looking after the tyres to avoid any more overheating problems. Steve seemed able to keep station behind me so I couldn't back off too much.

Needed a good race like that after the disaster that was Oschersleben.

Bloody'ell that was fun :laugh:

Great race Ade, Munkez plus the guest appearances of Pseudo ;) Would have been nice to be a bit more consistant but oh well as everytime i got overtaken someone else would get by. Then it would take a few laps to get back up to them.

I hope i didnt cause you to spin Evert? Sorry if i did, you looked like you caught it then spun the other way and i was just too close. I dont think i touched you, i didnt feel anything.

Was catching ade and Mnkez on the last lap and got really close coming into the last corner, and had visions of getting you both ;) But just tried to go too fast through it and spun trying to accelerate on the grass!


Blimey, can't believe i finished on the lead lap.

No worries Munkez :)

That was hard work with my flu, my temps made me sweat buckets :'(, just as well it was a sprint, made it to the end.
Good battle with API until I believe his tyres went off.

Can't believe i finished on the lead lap to.

i had special effects turned off for extra FPS, thats why i couldnt see the fireworks.


i hear ya  ;D

Fun race for me despite going off and putting myself in last place at the start from 3rd  ::) Apologies to JPS1, my escapade on the first lap caused you to take the grass. Sorry  :-[s

I quickly gained a couple of places to find Psuedo in front, I followed him as we overtook a couple more cars but a few laps in he had a spin and so I put the hammer down to chase a lister who was in 16th, who in tun made a liitle error allowing me to get past (sorry cant remember who it was).

There was a 7/8 second gap to the next set of cars and when I caught them MJ was just recovering from an off and was all over the back of someone, who made a mistake I think and let us both through as well as another who went off at the same turn.

I had a hard time finding a way past MJ, my tyres were starting to fade badly and I had to be as smooth as I could. I eventually got better drive onto the hanger straight and went up the inside and broke as late as I dared and just got through  ;D Great driving  :yes:

Next up was Roadrunner, when I caught him on the hanger straight I tried to go straight past him by going around the outside of the right hander at the end of the straight. It didn't work, I broke really late, but he broke just a bit later and defended the corner by drifting around it with me on the outside of him.  Impessive   8)  :thumbup2:

Shortly after this MJ closed the gap to us and was all over the back of me when he span off.  Real bad luck Mate  :o   I spent the last 10 mins trying to get past Roadrunner, on the penultimate lap I got another good run onto the hanger straight and found myself on the outside going into the righthander. This time I broke ULTRA late   :scared: but he still broke later!  :eek: but unlike the first time, he was going too fast to show off again and drift around the turn and went wide allowing me through  :P  ;D  nice fight!

Finished in 10th.  Whew! was hard work

Grats to podium!

Looking forward to the Enduro

Wow great race, much better than i expected!

Didnt qualy as well as i'd hoped, did a 1.41.8 just b4 the server restarted but couldnt get in the 41's when it really counted but 4th was still ok. Got an unexpected 3rd place after just a few corners as RM went wide and lost alot of places (unlucky again m8) but i knew that i would probably get passed down the straights by the Fezza's behind me and by lap 2 they had.

So back to 5th but managed to keep the 2 infront of me honest by staying no less than a couple of secs behind also could still see 2nd lol.  Then another bit of fortune for me when Dans engine blew, blinding me in stowe for a split second lol so back to 4th.

Kept pressing as i had a decent gap behind me and trying to put Mad Ripp under pressure and in the last 5 or 6 laps i started closing as maybe his tyres were going off and with 2 laps to go he went wide at the top of the hill after the bridge and i nipped through for a great 3rd place.

Once again good consistant laps and no offs got me another good result as my lap times were not that great.  Now if i can just find another half a sec or more in race trim then i might give the big boys something to worry about for a few laps  :D :D :D

Grats brian and Mark.

fun race :D

had a crap quali 9th and managed a lap that was -0.9s up in the 2nd sector which may have got me top 3...but i ran off the track doh!  ::)

start was okay but i had some lag at Vale and Pseudo hit me  :-[ .............. sorry mate, hope u weren't damaged  :-\

had a good race even in 11th and was working hard just for that!  :D ...good tussle with TT at the end and i managed 8th and 3rd fastest lap, slowly getting the hang of the 550  ;D

grats Brian  :taz:

When are you gonna sort out your website Andy  :whistling:

I've been checking through previous results after each race, curious to how much performance changes and people improve over time.

Last time we did a GT1 sprint at Silverstone, April 10th 2007, I did 23 laps in roughly 41mins 20 secs. Jeff won in Saleen doing 23 laps in 40min 51 secs.

This time Jeffs race time would only scrape the top 5.

Shows how much people can improve with practice.

Hm, can't set up the Saleen, rear was all over and I had 10 wing!  >:(  Also, I was slow through the slow corners which points to a shot in the dark concerning setting the mechanical grip. Will try to improve that 'till Sunday. If not I'll go for another car. Maybe it'll rain.  :whistling:

The last time I drove here with a GT1 was on the old version of Silverstone, with the old GDB file, so both races are incomparable.


I have no idea why you guys are hurting yourself by picking the Dunlop Saleen :P. It's rubbish and probably 1s a lap slower than the Pirelli version.

I'm picking Legends Saleen, not matter what!  :taz:
Now, who's the xxxx that took that car to set for Legends livery...  :2guns: :sweatdrop:

Edit: Didn't even look at it. Might give a spin with another Saleen with proper tyres, then.  ::)  On the other hand, Psuedo took it and vanished into unknown - that's what results say.  ;D

I think I also notice it at more cars from your team. Was it the 575 or 550, don't know, but I think also your RSR is at Pirellis when it could be on Michelins.

Or do you guys just hope for rain 24/7 ;D.?

I thought we had always used the same version of the track. I don't recall it changing but I will stand corrected. It was not a go at you Jeff, merely highlighting that it seems everyone improves season on season. 

Well that was good fun and yet painful at the same time  :P

Had a good qually session despite missing all of the practise session when i got a phone call at first attempt at leaving pits. ::)
Stuck it 8th on the grid behind team mate Steve in the brother Maserati and was feeling confident of a top 8 finish in the race.

All went to plan as i stayed glued to Steves rear bumper and gradually increaased a gap back to the guys behind us whilst running 6th and 7th after about 5 laps.
I then started to turn the pressure up on Steve and harass him big time around the back of the circuit where i seemed quicker. But coming out of Luffield final tightening turn onto the straight, i tried taking a tighter line to get a run on him up the s/f straight but must have been just a little too keen on the throttle as the cars rear end came round on me spinning me backwards across the pit lane  :'(
So annoying! and had to watch as DG, TT and Simon sped past.

Still i thought all was not lost but the maserati went through that awful, familiar 'rears made of glass' spell for about the next two laps, and i was pretty ragged allowing 2 other cars past me.  :(  It seemed no matter how gingerly i took a corner, the car was having none of it  ???
But then magically grip returned and i set about chasing Reign man, Jan and Roadrunner, enjoying some good battles along the way.
It was shaping up for a wicked 3 way fight with Reign and Roadrunner?  for the final 5-10 mins but calamity was waiting in the wings once more  ::)
I found myself once again glued to Reigns bumper as he chased R/runner hard himself but as the 3 of us steamed down to Becketts, i was just un-sighted enough for that crucial split second at the fast 5th right hander braking point and the car gave a quick wobble of indignation and i had no choice but to take to the grass at high speed and bounce my way over the infield and crawl back out on track. The lost momentum on the fastest part of the track cost me 10-12 secs and that was that.
Finished a poor 13th  :(

Story of my season so far, having cracking races and showing good pace but not getting the result. I need to adopt sharks aforementioned mantra  :P

There's a fixed 'map' of tyre wear numbers (visible in GTR2xPD) which correlates grip level to wear - although nobody seems to know what the actual numbers are for GTR2, I believe there is a sort of 'graining phase' around wear 6 or 7 with grip returning at about 8 and then dropping off in a less dramatic way after 10.

that sounds spot on Dave as my rears were showing 7 wear at the very point where they turned 'glass-like'.

With the sound mods i use, you can really hear when a tyre is working hard, struggling for grip, too hot etc and the massas tyres sounded in pain once they got past 7 wear. My lap times in the race dropped into the 44's whereas in even extended practise lapping i was doing late 42's/early 43's consistently.

I spent a lot of time trying to get the tyre temps consistent but the rears are a real conundrum.

Has anyone tamed the maserati with a good setup yet?

Not me, that's for sure.   :P  My setup was good for qually on a hang-it-all-out lap but still too unstable and tail happy for racing consistently, must stop setting these things up really loose like GTL cars. 

Made for a slipping backwards kind of race. Hung on to Gazza for a good few laps, just a few seconds back waiting for someone's mistake, but of course, I cracked first (well MJ had in fact  ;)) and spun it exiting Woodcote and both Simon and Dave snuck through.  Was having trouble with the car's handling, when you're right on the ragged edge changes in the rear tyre grip really do surprise you.   :o

Then for a final flourish I spun in the same place on the very last lap, but was lucky not to lose a place.  After the race I thought I'd thrown away a 5th place but tbh I don't think I'd have been able to hold off Simon and Dave anyway, I was making so many little errors.  Was a lot of fun though, even if each clean lap felt like a victory, great cars on a circuit that works really well for them.  :thumbup1:

Still damn hard work to figure out how to setup/drive these cars, change this and something else gets affected, but I guess I really should try for a more planted setup with better traction rather than the skittish driving-on-a-knife-edge approach I can't stop taking.    :D

Too many variables........does not compute.........stack overflow.....bleurgh  :P ;D

Small people might help you out, Steve.  ;)  ... runs for cover...   :-*

What...pixies?  What do they know about setups?

Or hobbits?

Who should I ask TT?

Gandalph ;)

Is he a friend of Phrodo? :P

yeth....but pleath dont take the pith out of my :) lithp.

Unophicial Lapchart (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/steveh/SilverstoneUpperSprint/)