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Practice 1:	20:15	(10 mins)
Qual 2:	20:25	(20 mins)
Race:	20:45	(40 minutes)	note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GT1 from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.8.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
Weather: Dry
Track: UKGTR Monza GP (download as part of the UKGTR Track Pack v1.2 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519))
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Upper Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
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(7) GTR2 Manager voluntary handicap ballasts will not be available for this event.

is this a newer version of UKGTR Monza? Only ask as i see the track pack was updated on 28th June.
Should we be downloading that revised track pack then? or does it just include tracks we have already grabbed for various rounds ?

It's the same track pack - the post was edited when the skin pack was updated.

Holiday season is upon us, high probability I will miss this one :'( I am away.

Hope you all have a great race :)

Ok guys, What time are ya gettin!  Race Pace!!

I had a bit of praccy last night and managed a 44.3 but will hopfully go a bit quicker once I spend some time on a setup.

Not sure if I'll arrive on time for the race, if I do I might not have time to qualify... lets see

im really struggling in the maserati around here. No matter what i try it feels bloody awful.
terrible understeer and really poor under hard braking, whether i slide the brake bias forward or back.
Ive tried several spring combos but no joy so far.
Think a late 44 is best i can hope for in this car at moment, but not had much time at all for praccy.

Not many posts...is anyone racing tonight?

yup. I'll be there....racing your massi it seems  ::)....cant get the Saleen round any quicker than high 44's either....mainly because I just daren't touch a kerb anywhere or I'm off.

I'll be there - in the Lambo, so you'll waltz past me down the straights. No practice either!

Seems like I'll be racing Psuedo again.  :)

Not been around for a bit, but I've got a wheel and PC set up now and I hope you join you guys later :)

This could turn out to be another comedy of errors (after Brands LS).  No-one's done any practice.  :o

If my PC will last an evening without crashing and corrupting windows (new PSU on order...) I'll be there, but I've only run 2 timed laps on Saturday (46s  :'() and still need to reinstall some bits before the PC is useable.

Heh, sounds like i will be in good company this eve then  :P

Hey Mo, good to see you back mate  :) its been a fair while. I suppose the kerbies dragged you out of retirement (or Area 51  ;)) to get them back to winning ways  ;D
No doubt you will whip our butts once more in a silver arrow of some sorts.

Hey Mo, nice to see you.  8)  You taking Massa?

fancy taking the 550 out as i'm still getting my eye in with it  :P ;)

Oooh tough off the wall choice of car there Andy  ::) ;) Im about 1.5 secs a lap quicker in the 550 than i am in the Maserati  :(

well from my point of view i think you should def take the massa then ;)

why is an Italian car like the Massa useless at Monza?? hehe  :-X

Good to see y'all again too :) Think I'll take the Viper..... there's not too many corners at Monza right?  ;)

Later,
Mo.

I'm not going to make this one. Shame really after 2 good results in opening events.

Is that about the same pace for most people then? 44's for race pace? Hmm, have to give the Lister another blast methinks!  :)

Don't worry, MJ, he's bound to put too little front wing on it.

Monza looks B E A-uutiful since i tweaked my Nvidia settings on my shiny new 9800GTX  8)
I use some photo-real renders for the DDS files too that i nabbed a long while back on no-grip and it all looks rather tasty.
The FPS is now so super smooth and quick that i feel like i am piloting an F1 car and my poor old brain hasnt had a chance to re-sync with the new pace of it all  :P
Its given my GTR2 yet another new lease of life though i must remember not to glance at the scenery too much during the race !

Yeah Andy, dont forget those Fezzas like lots of wing at Monza...2,12 should suit you just fine  ;) :-*

The oppurtunity to crash the Massa in low wing config is hard to resist  :'( Think I'll join you gents for about 4 laps if I'm lucky.

Welcome back Mo :)

Racepace should atleast be 41's/42's.

And the Viper is actually worst that you'd expect here :P. Too many hard braking and quick corners :).

hahahaha, i'm ignoring that lol  ::)  :P

EDIT:

...and that!  :laugh:

Can someone please translate this Alien tongue into English please  :laugh:

that sort of pace may be possible (for mortals) on the pre-ukgtr version of the track.....where you could ignore the chicanes.  ;)

This track seems to play to my weaknesses so i'm looking at 46-47's. My braking distance feels like its twice as long as everyone else!


Any chance of a link to those track files MJ?

Excellent, I'll do this.

I'm reasonably consistent driving round this track, I'll go see if I'm anywhere near the pace while being consistent!

...I'll also see what car is quickest in a straight line, and I'll race it! :D

That's the FOF Viper :D

LOL, not if I'm at the front.  ;D
I can't go at that pace in the F550 for qually let alone the race.

Er, thats a new trick...

I've just updated to v1.1.0.0 (Vista x64 install is just a few weeks old), and now GTR2.exe keeps launching GTR2Config.exe, every time - anyone had this issue before?

Sorry Gazz4er, that's probably deserving of a report, I was just a fraction too late on the brakes.

Just not getting these cars.  :-[

FFS!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone have any ideas for curing lag, I seem to have a bit of a Lagging problem. Sorry if I caused any probs, first night back in 3 months, and I have to quit out cause of friggin lag.

Not good that :-\ Sorry purds but gents in front slowed much more than I expected, I avoided rear ending them but had to squeeze you. I was getting over that and starting to hassle TT when I had a CTD. Karma.


 

thats okay SbG ;), i thought i hit a bump under braking ???.... until i saw the replay...thats why i was confused when u let me by... :-\
sorry about your CTD and also sry to my teamie Roadrunner  :'(

sorry to Gazza and Steve Holmes who i think got caught up there  :-\

had an off and hit the wall hard so had to quit a lap later :(...quite annoying as it was my fault and my car was just warmed up and feeling better and better. In quali i was -0.8 secs up on my final 7th place time twice but kept binning it in the last sector  ::) so knew i had speed in reserve for the race :wheelchair:.....  unfortunately i still binned it doh  :no:

 >:( >:( >:(

!$£"$%^$£"!

OK...now thats out the system.....

Qually was excellent...Team 1 -2 (grats RM ;))...although a bit unexpected as I had seen people going quicker than my time in praccy sessions earlier.

Race didn't last very long (4 laps I think)...Firstly, Simon caught up with me into Lesmo 2 after a bad exit from 1, so I had to take it wide to leave him some room on my inside....Then he had the audacity to shove me wider still ;) Then I got a rear wheel on the kerb and ended up kissing the wall on the right...no damage of note but 6 places lost  :(

I rejoined behind a battle between TT and Mo....followed them for a lap then Mo got a run at TT and passed him into della roggia but lost it on the exit a bit which held TT up and I closed right up. We went round Lesmo 1 almost side by side but I had to back off on the exit to avoid going too wide....then went too wide round Lesmo 2, got a wheel on the kerb and kissed the wall on the right.... ::) Lots of damage this time though, my hands were almost crossed on the wheel keeping it straight :o. Got going again in 12th now....but only got as far as Ascari where the damage sent me hurtling into the wall and race over.

Totally gutted.

Grats to podium and winner.

well that was more than a night to forget  >:(

car was bloody awful in qually and race. Didnt overtake a single car in the race other than through others misfortune but by keeping a steady safe head knowing any top 10 place was a bonus for damage limitation i ran in 8th to 10th for whole race.
But then got taken out with about 2-3 minutes left off the race. >:( Very disapointed as car behind could have easily got me at another corner as i had to tip toe through some corners like a grannie and i had worked bloody hard to keep that position for so long.
My race ended in a ball of flames  :o and my pit boss asking 'if i was alright' over the intercom....a few expletives told him otherwise :P

Rubbish race.  :(What the hell was going on in first few laps as well ?  Carnage and flying cars all over the place.

Very disappointed  >:(

To my suprise I qualyfied first, It was my first attempt at a quali setup in the MC12 for this track so Im quite please with that.

After being passed by Simon and Roadrunner, I was going steady when I drifted slightly wide on the right hander at Ascari, took to much kerb on the left hander onto the straight which bounced the car all the way into the inside wall.....engine died.

Damnit!

Not using wireless are you? I hit your stationary car twice. The first time with me leap frogging you. Amazed my car was still drivable, mind you it wasn't when I ripped the armco out just after Lesmo 2  :-[

Locked rear up into 1st chicane and had to wait a bit for cars to pass then managed to award myself a stop go for pushing to much, its nice when you get a cut track warning for sliding sideways, as if you haven't got your hands full!  :D
Along the way had a good scrap with Roadrunner who drafted me on the pit straight and I also had good tussles with Ian,TT, Mark and pipped ade on the last lap.
At least I was using an invisible RVS skin so the car looked nice  :P .

Good fun and grats to the podium

Are you connecting on Wifi? That's one of the most common reasons for lag.


Hope I didn't touch you there Pseudo? We were side by side and I backed off a tiny bit to stop the wash out into you and then I thought you clipped the curb sending you 'a' spinning, but wasn't sure there wasn't a tiny nudge from me?

After that I passed RM into the second fast chicane on the outside (scarey! :o). Thought I was away and clear, but RoadRunner had better ideas. He slowly closed the gap down to a second and I pushed a bit harder down into the low 1:43s, but he wouldn't budge from about 0.5-1.0 seconds behind. Stayed that way for the whole race until the last lap. I think I thought I had a big enough gap (0.8 seconds LOL :)) to not have to push too hard, but when I saw him get the tow down the straight into Parabolica I thought, oh darn (yes those exact words ;)), just stay on line, don't brake early/late, let him do the work. We accelerated away almost side-by-side from Parabolica, but with me with the wider less tight line out I got slightly better acceleration. He seemed to then be a car length behind when he started creeping back towards the line on his slightly lower downforce setup. I'd already put my lights on for the win and as we crossed the line I was amazed how close he'd got so I almost embarrased myself by turning my lights on for 2nd ::). Good race RR. Pushed me all the way and I just held on for what must one of the closest finishes ever in SRou history (0.067)?

Thanks for the fun racing and nice to win again, twice in succession, which is a big surprise for me, but I guess no aliens turned up today so was more chance to get a podium.

Sorry, MJ - the Lambo is gobsmackingly slow in a straight line and even when right up behind you I couldn't make any headway so all I had was exit speed. Thought I had the move made coming out of Ascari but you you soooo much slower than I expected (and/or had to lift momentarily) and there was just no space to avoid you. :o :-[

Need to see the replay to understand what really happened. I was as disappointed as anyway seeing you sitting there unable to rejoin. :-\


Stewprovo's lag struck three times causing chaos on the formation and first lap - I had to stop to tell him and Busi got caught out as he was catching up from an opening-lap pit stop. After that I'm not sure what was going on. ???

Replay and provisional results available

So, So, So sorry Picnic :-[ I was on wifi, but just ordered 15m ethernet cable, so hopefully will solve problem. Again, very sorry if my stationary lambo caused people probs. As soon as Dave gave me the nod it was still lagging, I quit out.

No worries Simon...no touch from you..in fact you did everything possible to avoid any contact....you just scared the bejebus out of me and made me drive bad.

No problem, as I said the car was still in one piece, all my own work binning it  half way through :(

I'm sure you'll find the ethernet cable sorts out the lag issue. My view on wireless has never been very complimentary. I only use it when I really must. I think the ethernet over mains adapters seem to be a better solution for domestic use where cat5 cable is not so easy to install.

So chaotic and I was one of the victims of the lag problems at the start (at least though I could finish).

Firstly I arrived home and joined quali as quick as I could, but didn't have time for a flying lap so started last in 20th.

Start of the warm up, to my surprise there are suddenly several cars stopped and I couldn't avoid a Massa I think, I got a puncture.

At the end of the warm up lap I went to the pits and as I crossed the pit in line I got a stop&go for cutting??????? That really pissed me off, cause I had to do another (racing) lap with the puncture and I rejoined the race 1:24 behind the leader and about to be lapped.

A second stop&go put me a lap down and behind Gazza, who I followed for the rest of the race. With other people's problems I finished 8th and still worked for the team's points :)

Um really not sure what happened tonight, quali did ok.
1st lap 1st chicane, as picnic hit the back of stewprovo i disco'd  :-\ Bizzarre and gutted to say the least.

munk

No worries Steve, was a little miffed at the time but these things happen. I can see why it happened as your eyes probably lit up as you saw the chance of picking up a couple of places as the two ahead had trouble, but 3 into lesmo 1 wasnt gunna work lol.  

Had a terrible qualy and shunted off on lap 1 but plodded on reasonably consistant and with everyone elses problems picked up a very unexpected 5th.

TT did you have fuel trouble or damage coz i nearly caught you at the end?

Grats Simon and podium.

Unlucky RM & Bob.

Well...that was an AWESOME race in my book...

Held pole for a short while in qualy..ended up 3rd..but knew strait line speed was me weapon of choice come the race..

Dunno if it was just me..but 550 on the limiter for the start seemed to be a fraction quicker than the Saleen  ???..anyways..fluffed the start, hit limiter button twice..so put it back on again..but only lost the 1 place to Simon?...then another one down in t1 to Madd. Wasnt totally confident in the car through 2nd chicane..so the contact between Purdie & SBG was prob partially my fault..but woke me up a little when i saw em comin  ;D, that all sorted itself out..had a steady lap or so..make sure all was AOK..set off after an dispatched of Madd again..Simon got P1 just as i caught him & Reign Man up...spent a couple of laps behind Reign not wanting to do owt daft under braking...my straitline speed won on that occasion..Simon was 2-2.5 secs up the road..cruised up to 0.7-1 sec behind him an seemed to hit a brick wall...couldnt seem to get any closer no matter how hard i tried...eventually got gap to 0.5-0.7 range..and with handfull of laps to go...finally got to under .5 into t1...thought it may be worth ago somewhere..but on otherhand had a suspicion if it stayed that close it may be guy in 2nd outta final corner that wins it..an promptly locked it up proper job at 2nd chicane an gave him all the time back...said to me self that was it, race over...then onto final 2 laps..went for broke, got rite onto him out of Ascari..seemed to be the case that he had better initial acceleration out of corners...so knew i had to hold him out wide into final corner if i was to have any chance...launched it in under brakes..got nose on the inside...which was best i could hope to do...both seemed to get back on power pretty much the same time..so it was left to the 1260 horsey`s to do the talking..an Simon`s share were better where it mattered   :D

Yes, I hit a wall out of Lesmo 2 (not your wall, Psuedo, the one on the other side  :P ) and since then I had a pronounced understeer. Didn't want to push too much, just enough to stay in front of you.  ;)

My 4th place is totally undeserved, made by other people's mistakes - bad luck, guys. Too bad for other two Legends as well.  :(

Seems like I can't set up the damn Saleen, it was all over the place at braking, got one warning for going sideways over the chicane.  ::)  Maybe I was too focused on keeping the wing low - I had 1-4. Tried 5 but I got slower at Parabolica exit then.  :-\

TT

I was running 2-4 in the F550. I just hate the 1 on the front splitter. It doesn't give me any straight line speed advantage worth having to how much slower it makes me in the corners. Same goes from anything below 4 on the rear. I just find the 0.2 I make on the straights isn't enough compared to how much I lose in the corners. Plus higher downforce makes for a more stable easier race car.

I got some good tows with my high 6th gear, never near the red line either.  8)

Monza is quite deciving, as it looks like a super fast track. Like I said few pages back, the Viper isn't that good here, as there are quite a lot of fast corners (Lezmo 1 and 2, Varianta Ascari and Parabolica). They all have a long straight afterwards, so handling will slingshot you on the straight, whereas a Viper or cars with lown downforce, start off with so much to catch up, that it's almost impossible to gain.

And like Simon said ("Simon says" :P), the cars don't really gain a lot of speed in the top region. I think 300kph is about the limit for most cars, whether you're on 2-5 or 1-1. However, acceleration is better with low wing, but braking sucks then :).

I was using 1 - 2 on the Saleen...was very stable under braking and through Ascari and the parabolica.....but the usual saleen trait of 'getting within a yard of a kerb making it feel like driving a jelly on wheels' did for me on the exit of the Lesmo's.

I'm not sure it's a problem with the Saleen. I think it may have more to do with the default setups for both the Saleen, Ferrari 550/575 (and I think the MC12 too) both sitting far too close to the floor. They are like 5 or 6 which is so close to the floor those cars hit the tarmac even without curbs half the time. First thing I do with most of the low riding cars is whack up the ride height (don't be scared :P) to 8 or 9. Lowering a car doesn't make the car magically handle better, but raising a car up helps you get over curbs, so it's a no brainer for me to always raise ride height if I'm struggling on curbs.

Don't be afraid to try "out there" settings on your setups to see if the problem is resolved, e.g. whack up the ride height to the max and if it solves the particular problem you're trying to fix, then you know you're changing the right setting. Then it's just a case of changing it in a less extreme manner to balance fixing the problem and going too far. Same goes for all settings. If you max or min out a setting you will know in future that changing that setting in that direction has that effect so if you need to cause a specific effect you know what to do without even trying it.

Unfortunately no two cars are the same, so what you learn on one car might not necessarily translate to another car. This is especially true for the differentials and when changing to a car with the engine in a different place.

It's also where the MoTeC interpreter is really useful - the data shows very clearly what the range of suspension movement is; whether (and where) you're bottoming out, or if not, how much lower you can run before you start to.

Well, I did set the car higher than ever before, I had 7,0 and 8,0. I experimented with rear 8,5 but it went even more unstable during braking when the rear lifted further and lost the grip to the front (stiffening front springs/dampers didn't help). It was bottoming out just before Ascari, but was otherwise ok. I didn't feel / see it bottoming on the kerbs, it was more a skitting feeling on every irregularity on track, be it either a kerb or a bump. And no, my rear springs/dampers were not to stiff, they were close to minimal on the rears as I made soft as possible 'cause of low wing. I'm not using packers anywhere except at Spa - should I use them here?

Also, unstable braking was not 'cause of low coast diff - that was highest for me so far also (60%). Changing braking ballance didn't help - if I moved it forward the front brakes overheated and faded, causing rear brakes to turn the car backwards. When I opened the cooling more it didn't come up to optimum soon enough - the brakes were too cold and braking was worse. When brake ballance was set more to the back the rear brakes gripped more by default and the result was the same - a turned car. I found the solution in adding throttle during the last stage of braking and simultaneously easing off the brake, but the car was constantly on the edge and every time there was a possibility that I will take out the driver who tried to outbrake me.

What I want to say is I was doing laps and trying to set the xxxx thing but when driving on the edge it was less than satisfactory. I can easily set the Lambo here with wings 1-2 and it's very stable. Similar settings work on Lister and F360GTC, even Porsche but not on Saleen, that's what's making me puzzled.  ???   

Even with a wing of 4 I was not able to close on Madd-Rip in his Lister and that's news for me - when I was driving Lister in Super Enduro it always lost on straight and gained throught the corners. Is Lister changed muchly, Dave? 'cause Madd gained through the corners and didn't lose anything on the straight. Or was it just my setup?  :(   

No worries DG, i know your not a dirty or over eager driver. Your exit speed was undoubtedly quicker than mine at that point of the race as it took meticulous dabs of throttle to get through corners like Ascari without the Mc12 trying to spit me off despite good tyre temps and hardly any wear  ???
I guess the difference in speed caught you out, :-\ but it was bloody frustrating to be taken out of 8th with such little time left on the clock..2-3mins left?  :taz: I would rather have let you past and got 9th than be crashed out of the race and get nothing. C'est le vie !  :P

hehe, not as disapointed as me!  ;) But i had no time to worry about that, the car was on fire!...i had to leap out and save the Campari reserves in the boot.

No racing for me for about 3 weeks now  :'( I'm off to Italy for my hols.  8)

Lister is hardly changed from previous seasons.

I tried the Lambo on 1-4 and it was undrivably unstable. Went with about 2-8 in the end!

Being American, the Saleen probably has solid wooden struts for suspension, so it might not be a surprise that it's hard to setup. ;D

 ;) TT I was running 1-2 wing settings so the chicanes were a bit iffy  (as I spun, too iffy!) sometimes, but I use Motec hell of a lot and found a setup that I could drive comfortably, it is an interesting point Simon made about front wing settings and ride height, thats something I will investigate through Motec.
I'm no expert but from what you've described TT sounds like a real handful, do you use Motec a lot?

PS I was also driving like a maddman  ;D

Yeah, Madd, you were quick, couldn't hold your pace, no way.  :) I guess that also comes from setup stability as if the car is snappy and unrecoverable you're not going anywhere near THE limit and you end up a slow coward.  ;D  Really, I was afraid to find the real limit, just the opposite of Lister in Super Enduro where I found the limit during the race and got away with it.  ::)

Do you use Motec?

Damn, i was thinking exact same about wing settings when the car was really struggling in qually with poor understeer and tippy toe nature through a lot of the corners. It felt like the 1 front was reason  for understeer and i just kept dialling out front ARB and spring rate with no joy.
But i assumed that 2 front and any higher rear would kill me on the straights here, knowing others were running 1-2 etc. Unfortunately i never got a chance to try it out before the race. In hindsight it makes more sense with the MC12 as it generally needs more wing than other GT cars at other tracks.
What wing setting were you other Mc12 pilots using? i had 1-3.
The problem, as always, with limited praccy time was i never got chance to try many variables other than springs and arbs and when i tried exact same setup on previous night 'online' i was getting 1:44's so didnt think it was too terrible, but that equated into 1:46's last night  :(

Its a balancing act imo.

to me, it would be totally pointless running a splitter 2 with a low (1-4) rear wing. That would give you maximum available front downforce and obviously much less at the rear creating a potentially very oversteering vehicle in fast turns because the front would be 'heavy' and the rear 'light'. You would need to compensate for this with spring/suspension settings etc. which will then adversly effect the 'mechanical grip' required for slower corners.

That's the exact reason why I didn't go with 2 splitter. The front end didn't need more grip, if anything it was planted too much and the rear need more downforce. Though now I think it would really need more mechanical grip for slow corners. I think I tried most of the things I learned during these seasons and none of them really worked. It must be my driving the nature of the car then, my driving style not being very compatibile with this car.

I notice over at r2p that the really fast guys win with "lesser" car with no sweat, seems like they adapt to the nature of the car while us mortals can do this only partially (I drank 3 beers today, it doesn't show, does it?  :wacko: ).

That's why I don't go below 4 when running 2 front splitter.

I tend to concentrate much more on getting the mechanical grip right (or as best as I can) and 'ignore' the downforces when starting to develop a setup. Once I can get round the slower (less than 80mph) turns in a stable way, I then move on to the faster turns and adjust the downforces to suit.

Imo, these are not F1 cars that rely on about 75% downforce 25% mechanical but roadcars with 75% mechanical and some addon aerodynamics adding 25% downforce.

Completely agree with you Pseudo, however, Monza is unusual in that it requires fiddling with downforce more than any other circuit. I generally have downforce between 8 and 10 everywhere else so very minimal fiddling.

Damn you, I've only had two and a half!

I made the mistake of going with low wing with the MC12, it was just so unstable once the car got slightly unsettled on the kerbs.

I had 1-4, I decided to chance it even though, like SBG said that, the MC12 needs high wing, I wanted to be competative on the straights. It didn't work. I was killed on the straights by the 550's of simon and RR. I had a quite stiff setup as well, so i need to look at softening things up. It was however good with low fuel and soft tyres over one lap.

I think ill be going with 2-8 for the enduro as just before I crashe out the rear end started to go loose on me. Normally I can keep it under control throughout the stint but it started to get quite bad. (I think that was due to the stiff setup I had, where I normally have it very soft).

I did get a guite good time though 43.9 so Im worried about changing things and not being able to match that race pace  :-\

I dont like this track at all  >:(

I've normally found that once I've got the suspension set to how I like it, I start to play a little with the rear wing, brake bias and rear ARB, I use these settings to alter how the car turns in, the setup I had last night was almost there tbh, I could have done with a little more time on it but I've been too busy the last week.
One setting I pay particular attention to in Motec is the weight transfer, very good for getting the ride heights correct.
I may try a 2 front wing just out of curiosity even though I can't do the enduro because of work  >:( .

this is exactly why i donald ducked up sats silverstone race!  :-\

went for low downforce cos i thought it was a low downforce/high speed track and it was a high downforce high speed track..... (did that make sense ???)  ;D

Are you from Venus? :P

Unofficial Lapchart (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/steveh/MonzaUpperSprint/)

God, why cant you guys have this discussion on setups before the race ::)

I realised i wasnt handling the curbs well so had to really take it carefully through the first and second chicanes but then it felt too soft when turing at speed into the section before the second time split ( i dont remember corner names!)

I would never have dreamed of taking a higher front wing but it shows it definately works!

Those cut warning are definately strict, but i dont remember pit speed limits being as strict! But then your having to get down to dog slow speed. Oh well.
 

Oh, and there seems to be 4 Picnic's in the results.

We are.  ;)

I completely agree Spanner, lots of useful information there, ah well, helpful for future races.


The results don't lie, so therefore we must have had a Picnic train at the back of the grid - were you towing a caravan or perhaps the results picked up the mountain bikes you were carrying on the tailgate rack?  ;)

A bit of a late replay, but wanted to say I enjoyed racing you guys again and it's great to see many familiar faces still racing :)

Had a good tussle with TT in the opening laps, but after he dropped back with a small mistake I had a lonely race tbh, mainly trying to keep the Viper on the black stuff.
Viper was amazingly quick on the straights with a 1-2 wing setup, but unfortunately I had to brake well early making it difficult to actually get past anyone. Still, 9th to 3rd was a good result, although I mainly inherited those positions due to others misfortune.

Grats to Shark and RR, great pace up the front.

Sorry to TT for the small rub going into Roggia .... I think it was.

Cheers,
Mo.

THERE ARE NO SMALL RUBS! I WENT INTO A KILLING RAGE!  :taz:

Sorry mo, really don't know what you're talking about. Must have been a really small rub.  ;D

TT

LOL, if you didn't notice then it wasn't me  :D
I think you're car was handling so badly that you probably thought it was just normal oversteer  :P

tell me about it ::)......tt's very bad driving handling after your off had absolutely nothing to do with my woes. :laugh: :angel:

Mirth aside, I had the worst controll of the car in this race since my first season. It's either the car or I'm losing it.  ;D

Could be both. :P

The Saleen was the n00b car of GTR1, and it's still the most stable GT1 car there is  :P ;D

Ok, I'll go stand in the rain for some time.  ;D