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Title: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on July 22, 2008, 06:42:42 PM +0100
Practice 1:20:15(5 mins)
Qual 2:20:20(15 mins)
Race:20:35(50 minutes)note: no warmup

Cars allowed: any GTC from the UKGTR Skin Pack v2.8.0.0 (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3356.msg54519#msg54519)
GTC includes: 360 Modena, 911 GT3-RS, Morgan, Mosler, TVR
Weather: Seeded from real-world conditions, fixed for the full event (note to server starter - set changeability to zero)
Track: Anderstorp GP
Race Start Time: 14:00
Pit Stops: No mandatory pit stop.

Server: UKGTR Lower Sprint
Password: see above (#post_event_password)

Notes:
(1) Please make sure you are fully aware of the UKGTR Rules (https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3349.0) - especially the speed limiter starting procedure and the rules about in-game chat messages.
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Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: spanner on July 26, 2008, 08:17:56 AM +0100
So we're back here again, ah, but with weather this time. Interesting :wacko:


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Kerr on August 04, 2008, 09:54:03 AM +0100
I will be racing in this one. Having not taken part in a Gtc sprint yet my car choice is open.      I really like the Morgan but think I might go for a change. Either mosler or tvr for me.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 04, 2008, 06:49:16 PM +0100
Ah, I best go fetch my rental Ferrari again.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Kerr on August 05, 2008, 01:35:14 PM +0100
Has everyone forgotten about this one?    Still not sure about car choice. Both the TVR and Mosler feel planted here whilst the Morgan is a bit of a handfull here, but great fun sliding about.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: John on August 05, 2008, 09:17:58 PM +0100
Poor 1st race for me.
Qualified 3 seconds slower than my pb.
Wasnt impressed. :'(
Race was terrible,ended up touching the grass with my near side rear which sent my fish tailing across the track and slamming into the barrier.
Received a rear puncture,which in turn gave me no drive.
Oh well,better luck next time.
And it was my 1st race for about 6 months


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: JPS on August 05, 2008, 09:38:22 PM +0100
Lack of practice showed all round.

Poor quali but great race. :'(
Hell'va battle with the Prof, good driving, you kept it all together under alot of pressure. 8)

My front left showed 29 wear :o at the end, went for softs!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 05, 2008, 09:45:46 PM +0100
Did my usual race really. Qualified 8th I think and just started off steady, made virtually no mistakes and gradually built up my speed, passed Ade on lap 1 and then saw Pseudo with his bucket and spade gift me another place. Status quo for a while after that, but when Steve behind me started getting under a second I thought I'd better go a bit faster, which to my surprise made me start catching Mark M and Purdie in their Porsches ahead. Eventually I caught Mark and within a couple of laps I'd sussed out where to get by and when and after doing my test manoever the lap before on the opposite side I went to the side I really wanted the next lap.

After I passed Mark I closed the gap to Purdie and on the last lap I was right behind him, thinking there was one more lap to go so I was planning on "doing him" on the last lap and nabbing 4th! LOL! Gonna have to have a word with the time-keeper to make sure he gets a proper stop-watch next time! ;)

I was trying to be really easy on the right hand corners to prevent left front tyre wear as it was shooting up fast, but it wasn't really working as I finished a shade under 30 wear on the front. Could have been so much higher if I'd been pushing hard the whole race though so I guess it worked to some degree as I was quicker than people around me at the end enabling me to take one place.

Well done to Mo on the win!


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Kerr on August 05, 2008, 09:45:58 PM +0100
Had a good qualification and managed a 1.30.7 in the damp. Not my best time as 1.29s were well within my grasp in the dry.

Happy to take pole by over a second.

I made a mess of the first lap and lost the back end and that was Mo in the lead.

I gave chase for a number of laps and the gap remained consistent at about 1 second. After another wobble that was Mo 4 seconds up the road.

I was trying really hard but could not get anymore performance from my car. After the road dried I noticed that the tyre wear was already at alarming rates.

In an effort to save the front left, I did not drive too hard around the second to last bend as I thought was the corner that was doing the most damage.

I then decided to push as hard as I could and no matter how hard I pushed, Mo always seemed to have that extra turn of speed. Once the backmarkers came into play I managed to close the gap a bit but my tyres were completely finished.

Wear was already in the 30s(finished 35) and Mo was able to ease away for a deserved win. Grats Mo.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Prof on August 05, 2008, 09:49:14 PM +0100
Hell'va battle with the Prof, good driving, you kept it all together under alot of pressure. 8)

Hanging on for dear life at the end JPS - really glad to reach the flag just ahead.
Made one bad mistake by double downshifting on the last corner and gave 6 seconds away to make the end of the race interesting.
Well raced again.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: D_Nichols on August 05, 2008, 09:52:26 PM +0100
Well I've never been that far of the pace in ages, that came as quite a shock. My first race with the RS and even so I didn't expect to be last.  :o

Given that I decided to not bother about racing people and just work on putting in clean lap after clean lap, which apart from one punt in the rear as I tried to give someone space to get past  ::) , I was able to.

Full marks to JPS who waited and waited for his chance to get by me and took his chance when it came. I'd already decided not to try and defend the postion if he went for it, but the patience shown as great on his part.

Thanks for the track time.  :)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: psuedo on August 05, 2008, 09:56:58 PM +0100
Another double downshift robbed me of a few places  :( (hence the bucket n spade)

Qually was ok..6th. but about a second down on my race lap times last time here (prolly due to damp)

lost a couple of places early doors to the extra grunt of the porkas down the straight, but I wasn't too concerned as I had gone with mediums all round so I knew tyre wear wouldn't be a problem (15 front left wear at the end) and fully intended making use of them when the porkas were down to rims later.

But the ddshift put paid to that idea :(

One more lap and I would have prolly got passed Mark...caught him easily towards the end (although I nearly lost it a few times trying to find my turn in points through his tyre smoke  ;D)

Ah well 8th isn't too bad considering.

Grats to Mo and the podium.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: picnic on August 05, 2008, 10:06:56 PM +0100
Replay and provisional results posted

LapChart (http://www.granum.plus.com/20080805%20U8LS/index.html)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: psuedo on August 05, 2008, 10:09:03 PM +0100
Thanks Pete, have we noticed the championship standings are not showing?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Prof on August 05, 2008, 10:18:07 PM +0100
Thanks Pete, have we noticed the championship standings are not showing?

The very bottom of the U8LS page describes today's race as non-championship. I don't know why.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: psuedo on August 05, 2008, 10:20:30 PM +0100
Ahh...some of Dave's magic must have leaked.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: picnic on August 05, 2008, 10:20:49 PM +0100
Silly me  :-[ Got sidetracked doing the lap chart export  ::)

Fixed now  :D


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: JPS on August 05, 2008, 10:24:28 PM +0100

Full marks to JPS who waited and waited for his chance to get by me and took his chance when it came. I'd already decided not to try and defend the postion if he went for it, but the patience shown as great on his part.


Thanks D-Nicholas 8) You hardly made any mistakes from my ringside seat just behind you.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Truetom on August 05, 2008, 10:26:38 PM +0100
Politics made my 3rd place.  :P  After Evert made a mistake I was 3rd and I stayed here to the end of the race. Purds and MarkMc were behind me and they were both faster than me. So I kept the pace and let them battle their selves, just watched my exit was good enough to prevent outbraking. Well, it worked, even made a small gap towards the end. Tyre wear on RF was close to 30 but the lap-times didn't drop as much, so... Grats to mo and Brian.  :)

TT


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 06, 2008, 07:38:09 AM +0100
Purdie's much deserved DQ now 'fixed'. :P :laugh:

Very exciting race for me - didn't qualify well and spent pretty much the whole race battling with the Dutch Turtles. Got past Ade early on but he lurked close behind in the early stages :ninja: and when Jan and I touched and JD went off, Ade slipped back past whilst I waiting for Jan to rejoin.

I was very careful in the first half of the race not to burn my medium tyres up too fast and it paid me back second half; the Porsches were very fast on the straights but utter dogs in the corners and I was struggling to avoid hitting them when dropping back and trying to get runs on them out of the corners. Eventually bullied my way past Jan and set off after Evert who was some seconds up the road; had another monster scrap with him and eventually forced a pass round the outside of turn 2.

From there I was watching the gap to Ade ahead come down, but not enough to mount an attack and had to settle for 11th. Finished with about 18 wear on the front left.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Steve Holmes on August 06, 2008, 08:25:16 AM +0100
Yay, finally had a mistake-free race.  Anders seems an easy track to get a fair setup on, found a much more stable, less tail-happy setup.

Tried pressurising Simon in the mid part of the race when I was a bit quicker, had a couple of half hearted looks, but that damn Morgan launches out of the corners down the long straights way better than the Fezza, was always losing a few tenths in the first half of the lap then pulling them back in the second half. And Simon made no real errors to provide an opportunity. Having applied pressure I actually had the surprise of getting increasing understeer rather than the usual oversteer, thanks to my more on the nose setup.  So the pace fell away a little bit.

Then it was just a case of picking off Mark Mc's ailing 911, the tyre wear must have been terrible on those rears, and finishing with some satisfaction at not throwing it off the track or into anybody else.

Holiday time now.....


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 06, 2008, 09:24:02 AM +0100
the Porsches were very fast on the straights but utter dogs in the corners

All bark and no bite! ;) :-*



Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: mo on August 06, 2008, 09:52:52 AM +0100
the Porsches were very fast on the straights but utter dogs in the corners

All bark and no bite! ;) :-*



LOL my Porsche was biting last night  :P
The setup was perfect and allowed me to push on while keeping the tyres below 90, resulting in a very consistant car and small tyre wear (only 22 on the left side front and back).

Brian made a great qually lap in the conditions so I was set for a long slog trying to keep up. A small mistake by Brian on lap one allowed me past though, and I think that due to consistant tyre temps I was able to maintain a 1 to 2 second lead for the race. I could see Brian in my mirrors for the whole race as the gap varied, but not by very much.

Grats to Brian and TT on the podiums  :)

See you next week,
Mo.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: purdie on August 06, 2008, 12:15:29 PM +0100
Purdie's much deserved DQ now 'fixed'. :P :laugh:

loll, sorry  :-[........got carried away on the straight! and also at the beginning of the pace lap, I just sat there on the grid.....sorry but my pedals USB plug was just clinging onto the back of my wheel and i pushed it back in and thankfully it worked!  :whistling:

Quali went okay, i just used my RSR setup on the RS with a click less front ARB to dial out the added understeer and it was alright! 8th wasn't amazing tho!  ::)

Got a good start and got past Ade, then over the next couple of laps sneaked past Mark and Pseudo where I inherited 4th. Mark wasn't having any of this and him and I closed up on the back of TrueTom. Couple of times I almost got past, then Mark overtook me (about 3 times!!!) and we both had a go at TT but wud he not be penetrated!! (so to speak  ::)). TT then pulled out a gap and I pulled out a gap on Mark, his pace was as quick (if not quicker than mine) but he seemed to just fall back at that point. Then Simon seemed to pull his finger out  ;) and caught and passed Mark and give him one more lap he would have passed me too  :laugh: ......

I was on mediums all round and 3 laps from the end my front-left was 33 so my times dropped off by 2 secs as I got tired too (lol)......grats to Mo and TT on his defending  ;)

.....very happy with 4th! great racing  8)


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer on August 06, 2008, 02:05:17 PM +0100
I was on mediums all round and 3 laps from the end my front-left was 33

Holy carp, Batman, anything over 30 is puncture territory! :o


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Jeffrey on August 06, 2008, 03:13:11 PM +0100
Holy carp, Batman, anything over 30 is puncture territory! :o

Nah, 30 is tyre worn message, 35 or more is puncture territory, or ofcourse tyretemp/pressure.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Kerr on August 06, 2008, 03:21:05 PM +0100
I started getting tyres worn warning at 30. At the end my front left was 35 and that was medium tyres all round.    I don't know why it was so high. I was trying to save them and surely the damp for the first part of the race would have reduced wear?        I don't know how some managed to nurse their tyres so well unless the morgan is hard on tyres?      It was just my front left that was the issue. When I realised the race was starting damp I increased the rear wing. Instead of the car doing much of the steering from the rear, with the extra wing the back always stayed tight and I had to steer more.  Maybe that's where I've gone wrong.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Jeffrey on August 06, 2008, 05:44:28 PM +0100
I started getting tyres worn warning at 30. At the end my front left was 35 and that was medium tyres all round.    I don't know why it was so high. I was trying to save them and surely the damp for the first part of the race would have reduced wear?        I don't know how some managed to nurse their tyres so well unless the morgan is hard on tyres?      It was just my front left that was the issue. When I realised the race was starting damp I increased the rear wing. Instead of the car doing much of the steering from the rear, with the extra wing the back always stayed tight and I had to steer more.  Maybe that's where I've gone wrong.

Maybe you had high camber settings? Damp could reduce tyrewear, but if it causes more scrubbing of the tyres, it actually increases wear.

Could it be that the lack of ARB makes the tyres wear harder on tracks like Anders?


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Kerr on August 06, 2008, 07:17:08 PM +0100
Obviously the morgan does not have any ARB adjustment so nothing I could do there.   Camber was set at about 3 degrees, where I'm normally around.        I did not spend much time developing a set up. I just loaded my donington set up and adjusted gears and tyre pressures and thought that will do. In the dry mid 1.29s and mid 1.30s race so I thought it was good enough.     Come the real qualifying in the damp, still managed a 1.30.7 but come the race by the time it dried my tyres were past their best. Don't know how Mo found so much extra pace in race over qualifying.


Title: Re: UKGTR Season 8 Lower Sprint (GTC) - Anderstorp (GP) - Aug 5
Post by: Simon Gymer on August 06, 2008, 10:38:16 PM +0100
Your wear was similar to mine Brian, it's just that you were prepared to push the car harder than me, hence the 5 wear difference at the end. If I'd try to go at full pelt for the race I probably would have been at 40 I reckon. My camber was probably around 3.3 on the front left, which was too much for a race setup.